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>> parents. they feel incredibly blessed. welcome your little one. >> tonight on 363 years into russias invasion of ukraine, the united states is taking russias side at the un and making our european allies nervous. also tonight, a star podcaster in the maga movement is now the number two man at the fbi. who he is and what it might mean for america's premier law enforcement agency. and later, the onetime leader of the so-called proud boys, pardoned from his 22 year prison sentence, now gets into a new confrontation with a former police officer from january 6th. thanks for joining us. it is a grim anniversary tonight. three years ago today, russian forces on vladimir putin's orders invaded ukraine. an operation that putin reportedly expected would take just a few days. he was wrong. ukrainian forces hit hard. and with american and european countries help, they've been able to continue fighting back. but that american support is now in jeopardy and is putting america's historic, nearly 80 year relationship with

europe under serious strain. that was the backdrop, and perhaps even the stakes for today's white house visit by frances president emmanuel macron, and will certainly be the same when british prime minister keir starmer arrives thursday. perhaps the most striking way of viewing those stakes is through the words of their counterpart, the man who is likely to be germany's next chancellor. friedrich merz. speaking yesterday, merz said something remarkable given germany's status as both a frontline member of and founding reason for the atlantic alliance with europe. >> and the. absolute a. priority. of mine it is. >> my absolute priority will be to strengthen europe as quickly as possible so that step by step we can really achieve independence from the united states. >> donald trump is clear that. >> but at the very least, after donald trump's statements last week, it is clear that the americans, at least this part of the americans in this administration, are largely indifferent to the fate of europe. >> that's a soon to be german chancellor saying that his first priority is to, quote, achieve

independence from the u.s. and citing the president's statements as the reason, like calling ukraine's president a dictator, which he's not, but refusing to say the same about vladimir putin. not last week and not today. the white house with president macron sitting next to him. >> dictator, would you use the same words regarding putin? >> uh. >> i don't use those words lightly. i think that we're going to see how it all works out. let's see what happens. i think we have a chance of a really good settlement between various countries. and, you know, you're talking about europe and you're talking about ukraine as part of that whole situation. uh, the other side has a lot of a lot of support also. >> well, he says he does not use the word dictator lightly, which suggests that he truly thinks zelenskyy is a dictator and vladimir putin is not. he's also blamed the invasion somehow on president zelenskyy, saying, quote, you should have never started it. you could have made a deal. he has since backed away from that, but only just far enough to leave many of his top

advisers over the weekend struggling with non-answers like these. on russia's act of aggression three years ago and all the atrocities that followed. >> can you acknowledge that russia is the aggressor here? >> well, you know what? who would you rather have and go toe to toe with the likes of vladimir putin, kim jong un, xi, or anyone else? joe biden or donald trump. he's the dealmaker in chief. he's the commander in chief. and it's only because his of his strength that we're even in this position. >> but fair to say, russia attacked unprovoked into ukraine three years ago tomorrow. >> fair to say it's a very complicated situation. >> the war didn't need to happen. it was provoked. it doesn't necessarily mean it was provoked by the russians. >> not by the russians. and by whom? now, keep in mind, though, it wasn't always so muddy. just a few months ago, during the campaign, then candidate trump had no trouble blaming russia, as long as he could also blame his political rivals to. >> russia, took land. under bush

under obama and under biden. they're going for the whole ball of wax. the only one they didn't take anything from was under trump. >> well, that was last september before the president spoke with vladimir putin and began planning peace talks about ukraine without ukrainians actually at the table. and before he became enamored with the deal now apparently being finalized for taking ukraine's mineral wealth in exchange for talk of future investment but not security guarantees. and it's not just the president and his advisors who won't say that russia is the aggressor. now it's the united states at the u.n., the u.s. refused to support a general assembly resolution marking three years of the war, which condemn russia as an aggressor. the u.s. sided with russia on this. by the way, you want to know who else sided with russia and the u.s. now? hungary, haiti, israel, palau and the marshall islands, burkina faso, burundi, the central african republic, equatorial guinea, niger, sudan,

belarus, north korea, syria, eritrea, mali and nicaragua. that's who sided with the new u.s. position. and just for reference, the last time the u.n. general assembly weighed in on this back on the first anniversary in 2023, the resolution also condemned russian aggression, and the u.s. supported it. so this is a sea change. and our closest allies obviously recognize that this certainly has significance and resonance to president macron's visit to the white house today. we have two correspondents starting us off, kaitlan collins in washington, matthew chance in moscow. first, caitlin, who was at the white house today. how does the white house think this meeting with macron went today? >> well, it's a remarkable moment to just to just watch and witness, especially given the french president and president trump have known each other for years. obviously, he was in office the last time. trump was also in office, and he hosted him for a state dinner. we've seen them have, you know, these difficult moments, extended handshakes that seem to go on forever. but, anderson, to see the two of them inside the oval office today, in those moments where they were saying two different things in terms of the

viewpoint of russia in this war, what the next steps look like for these negotiations was remarkable. but there was one point where the president was reiterating something he says repeatedly, which is that europe is being paid back for the aid that they have provided to ukraine. while the united states is not, which he's referring to the russian assets that have been frozen since the war started three years ago, when the french president cut him off and corrected him. listen to to to that moment. >> europe is loaning the money to ukraine. they get their money back. >> no, in fact, to be to be frank, we paid we paid 60% of the total effort. and it was through, like the u.s. loans, guaranteed grants and we we provided real money. to be clear. >> if you believe that, it's okay with me. >> i think that moment really sums up the entire visit that we saw happening at the white house today, where the french president was kind of shifting in between these more jovial moments, chummy moments with trump, where he was calling him

donald at times during the press conference that they had later on, but also taking those instances to say russia is the aggressor, here's the pay structure. we're not actually getting paid back for the money that we spent or the aid that we this war has started, which has been a chief complaint of president trump's ever since he's taken office. he feels that the united states has been unfairly treated here. but you could just see the discrepancies in how they view this, no matter how, you know, nice they were or how they talked about it. it was very clear that they they had two different messages, starkly different messages also. >> i mean, this un, you know, refusing to back this un resolution, the general in the general assembly calling russia the aggressor. i mean, it'd be one thing if the argument was, well, look, it's just not a good time to use that kind of verbiage when you're when you're negotiating a peace deal. but this president clearly believes they are not the aggressor here. certainly that's the line he's taking. >> well, he's declined to say so. and i've talked to some officials who say that's a negotiating tactic. and that's why he has not said it publicly.

but i think the other language you could also look at that he has used is is the word dictator, which he said today he doesn't use lightly. but he did freely call zelenskyy a dictator last week without elections, even though he was democratically elected, referring to the fact that ukraine did not hold its election last year because it's under martial law, because russia invaded. but he was not going to, to use that word to, to describe the other person who was at the negotiating table here, which is president putin. and so it is a remarkable moment where trump was also asked about whether the united states would help rebuild ukraine. the president has talked at length about how destroyed ukraine has been without ever really mentioning that it was russia that has done the destroying there and bombed the buildings, and is the reason for that. the president said no, essentially, that he felt that the united states has done enough when it comes to aid to ukraine. and so what was clear as i was in that press conference today was that president macron was trying to use his moments there to say, this is russia's fault. russia needs to be the person and the country that we are looking at

when we're putting responsibility and blame on someone and trying to communicate that message to trump by appealing to him and saying, this is what would be a weak agreement, this is what would be a strong agreement and was at one point invoked their predecessors in 2014, said, you know, they thought that they had an agreement. and putin obviously bulldozed right through that and illegally annexed crimea. that's why security guarantees are so important here. and the french president did call it a turning point with that regard today. the question is, of course, how that holds and what that looks like. and there's another world leader i should note coming to washington this week, one who has never met with donald trump since he's been in the white house. he's met with him previously. it's the british prime minister, keir starmer. >> yeah. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. we'll see you at the top of the next hour. and the source, i do want to take a couple of minutes now and just remind us all of what happened in ukraine three years ago tonight, we asked cnn's matthew chance to look back. >> lee bollinger rene marsh u-box. >> three years into this bloodshed and the front lines

remain hellish and brutal. there may be talk of peace, but every day in the war zone, the ultimate sacrifice is being paid. across russia, cemeteries are now burgeoning with fresh graves. the grim reality of the ukrainian meat grinder can no longer be hidden or denied. >> state memorial. >> this monument was put up so people would know there is a war going on, says victor, the head of a local veterans organization. it's not just some kind of operation, he says. people are dying. >> but. >> it wasn't meant to be this way. he's a russian. you can tell they're russian. i've spoken to them already. back in 2022, as the full scale invasion began, cnn encountered russian troops sent on what became a suicide mission to capture the ukrainian capital. >> how can i how can i feel that

i harakat al-muqawama al-islamiyya. >> the kremlin still calls its special military operation was meant to be over in a few days. instead, russian troops were forced to withdraw, leaving behind them a trail of devastation. and in places like bucha, on the outskirts of kyiv, allegations of human rights abuses to all denied by the kremlin. now president putin is still pinning medals on veterans before toasting their fallen comrades at the tomb of the unknown soldier. how many unknown soldiers there have been? no one even knows, putin says. but thanks to their efforts, courage and extreme hard work at the front, we have russia today, he adds. >> howard lutnick. >> and after three years of fighting, russia also has the

ukrainian territories. it's captured and occupied, like the ruins of pisky and countless others, where former residents are now returning to their destroyed homes and trying to claim compensation from the russian authorities now in charge. i don't think they'll ever be a peace agreement, ekaterina says. how can they agree on who will fix all of this? she asks. three years on and there are doubts. buildings or lives can ever be rebuilt. >> matthew chance joins us now from moscow. we talked earlier about the abrupt change from the u.s. and its approach to russia. what's the reaction to this shift been like on the russian side? >> well, i mean, it's a good question. i think it's fair to say they've stopped short of cracking open the bottles of champagne, which is what what many russians did when president trump was asked when donald trump was elected in 2016. but there's certainly a lot of,

well, positivity around. and there's good reason to be because they're on the brink, it seems, of a of a settlement of the conflict that could be in russia's favor. today. president trump was talking about the possibility of of business deals being done with russia, that that's crucial for a country that has been weighed down and damaged so severely by years of sanctions that were imposed on moscow, largely because of its full scale invasion of of of ukraine. and then there are other sort of victories as well that have come so quickly. a seat at the top table. russia is a much smaller power than russia economically, but it's been given equal status with with washington and is speaking to u.s. officials on a face to face basis. and then there's that issue of western unity. it's been a long standing objective of the kremlin that predates the ukraine war to sort of see western institutions damaged. and that is unfolding, um,

before the kremlin's eyes. and so, you know, from the kremlin point of view, it's been a very positive month since president trump took power. >> matthew chance, thank you very much from moscow. joining us now is arizona democratic senator mark kelly, who sits on both the senate armed services and intelligence committees. senator, what is your reaction to to where the u.s. stands tonight on this war, which is obviously tougher on ukraine than on russia? >> yeah, anderson, it's shocking, you know, that after 80 years, in a few days, donald trump just blew up the western alliance. i mean, completely. and you have the secretary of defense on tv over this weekend talking about how this is a complicated situation. it's not complicated. it's very clear who the aggressor is. it's clear who the war criminal is. and this vote today into the in the un, where the united states of america is siding with the north koreans and with russia and belarus. i mean, i you know, even after this, you know, first month of this administration,

i'm still kind of shocked of what happened over the last, you know, several days. and make no mistake, anderson, this this makes our country look weak. and we are less safe because of it. >> by the way, a number of the west african countries that i named who actually supported this resolution, you know, refused to to go along with this resolution as well. they have, like russian wagner forces in their country. they've kicked out u.s. and french forces from those countries. president trump won't call putin a dictator. he's not retracting his use of that word to describe zelenskyy. what message does that send? >> well, i think it sends a message that donald trump has aligned himself with russia and not with our allies. we've had these allies since world war ii, and it's the united states that is the anchor of this alliance. and donald trump is abandoning that. and that's why our allies are incredibly concerned. i was,

you know, on on the phone with the folks that were at the munich security conference here last weekend. i did not have the opportunity to attend. but, you know, the feedback i'm getting is that it was embarrassing. our secdef shows up clearly does not know what he's talking about. they're in a negotiation right at the start of the negotiation. they give up the two biggest negotiating points nato membership and ukrainian land. i mean, anderson, anybody who knows. i mean, i thought the president was supposed to be good at making a deal. this is like the art of the bad deal. >> and then they tried to walk that back. like the next day, a couple of republicans on capitol hill, and then the president kind of doubled down on on the nato stuff. and no u.s. troops. >> yeah, i think he knows where he wants to be. he wants to be aligned with putin. he seems to be drawn to dictators. and this

is dangerous for our country. and it just makes us look incredibly weak. >> do you think it makes china, for example, less fearful of the u.s. or, you know, potential invasion of taiwan, less likely that u.s. would retaliate? >> yeah, we talk about this a lot. i said on the armed services and the intelligence committees in the senate. i think china is watching very closely. you may have noticed they didn't vote with russia and north korea. >> they abstained. yeah. >> yeah, they abstained in this vote. so even i guess to some extent maybe they get it. it's obvious to to them who the aggressor is that ukraine was violently attacked and now suddenly it's not the position of the united states of america, at least not the white house. i'll tell you, it is with my republican colleagues here. i mean, they most of them, not all of them, but most of them share, you know, my views on this. putin is a criminal. he's a dictator. he attacked ukraine. he has needlessly and senselessly killed thousands and thousands of women and children

and old people. and his troops are dying. by i mean upwards of possibly hundred thousand, you know, soldiers. i mean, this is a disaster, and it's a disaster for our own safety and our national security. if we get into the habit of aligning with violent dictators who, you know, were not elected into office, people like vladimir putin. yeah, i mean, it has put us in a, you know, situation that we haven't been in in nearly a century. >> i on another subject, i recently spoke to two american astronauts, sonny williams and butch wilmore. they're in the international space station. they've been there longer than expected. they are expected to finally come home next month. i asked them about a claim from president trump and others that they were stranded in space for political reasons by the biden administration. here's what they said. >> that is a fair question. and i tell you what, anderson. i

understand why people would think that. i mean, that's been the rhetoric, that's been the narrative from day one stranded, abandoned, stuck. and i get it. we both get it. but that is, again, not what our human space flight program is about. we don't feel abandoned. we don't feel stuck. we don't feel stranded. i understand why others may think that we we come prepared. we come committed. that is what your human space flight program is. it prepares for any and all contingencies that we can conceive of, and we prepare for those. >> now, as you know, in recent days, elon musk repeated the claim the astronauts were stranded up there for political reasons, then attacked a number of astronauts who corrected him on social media and referred to you as a dem donor shill. you posted in return, hey, at elon musk, when you finally get the nerve to climb into a rocket ship, come talk to the three of us. you once served on an independent safety advisory panel for a space x years ago. why do you think musk is saying this? >> i have no idea. their ride home has been there since september. it's it's a dragon

capsule. it's a spacex spaceship. it's sitting on the space station. it's been there for months. that's the way they were going to get home. that's the way they're going to get home a month from now. i don't know why he's doing this. it's really kind of the whole thing is kind of ridiculous because it puts sonny and butch, who i've known for over 30 years, each of them, even before we were astronauts together, puts them in the middle of this political fight. they need to be focused on their on their mission. i don't know why he's doing this, but. and then he drags me into it. i will say, though, if he if he's ready to go up into space at any time, i am happy to go with him. i know where the space station is, how to get there. i'll be happy to join him on that mission. >> all right, senator kelly, i appreciate it. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> coming up next, meet the new fbi deputy director. he's a former secret service agent who became a podcasting star by what he calls owning the libs. and later, when the leader of the or former leader of the so-called proud boys was trying to get a reduced sentence in front of a judge, he called the police at

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bongino isn't. a decade or so ago, mr. bongino appeared on this program a number of times, giving thoughtful and serious commentary on law enforcement matters. this was him in 2014. >> police departments in general, anderson, there is a there is a crisis in policing, and it's a crisis in training, despite what some of the other guests have said. i was there. i went through the police academy three times, twice with the nypd and once with the secret service. there is a crisis in training. it is not taken seriously in america. >> well, he was last on this program in march of 2016. in the years since, he's grown into an outspoken member of the right wing media sphere and a big supporter of the president. he often appeared on fox, attacking the mueller investigation during the first trump administration, and adopted the philosophy that he described as being centered around owning the libs. >> own the libs at every opportunity online, at the election booth. in your activism, don't let them up. >> mr. bongino gained a lot of traction during covid.

>> this vaccine never had anything to do with science at all, never had anything to do with covid either. it's the covid vaccine. it did not prevent the spread of covid. if masks work, why aren't they working? because the left doesn't care if they work. >> president trump has certainly approved of his questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election. >> donald trump was calling out basically a flawed election for what it was a flawed election. as the chief executive of the united states, it's his job to question and election if he believes there was corruption, that's his actual job to go and enforce the law as the president chief executive. >> when the fbi searched the president's home in mar-a-lago for classified documents in 2022, bongino went on fox to condemn the very agency he is now being tasked to help run. >> folks, the fbi has lost. it's broken, irredeemably corrupt. at this point, the

inexcusable raid on president trump's home was the straw that broke the camel's back. for anyone involved in the raid, i don't want to hear any more rank and file stuff. i was the rank and file. i saw stuff i didn't like, i left. it's not hard. you swore an oath to the constitution that matters. if you played any role in this raid, you should be gone. >> well, he is now the deputy director of the fbi. joining me now is someone who once held that role. cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. so first of all, what's your reaction to this appointment? >> you know, i have great concerns for the fbi and for its people. um, you know, you've taken taken someone who knows nothing about the organization, has no experience with the fbi and put him in the highest position an agent can possibly occupy will be responsible on a day to day basis for all of the fbi's intelligence collection and investigative authority. people will walk into his office one after another, after another, every single day, and confront him with some of the

most confounding problems in unbelievably important investigations, issues in which the safety of our country is hanging in the balance. and they're going to expect him to look back at them, make quick decisions based on the law, based on the facts, not on his politics. um, and so i just, i, just, i scratching my head as to how he's going to be able to do that. there's not a single deputy director in the history of the hundred and 17 year history of the organization, who didn't have that role until they had already spent an entire career in the fbi. understanding its people, its authority, uh, its capabilities and its mistakes. the places where you have to be really careful to keep the wheels on the road. >> so why is that? >> i think he's in for a real challenge. >> why do you think that is so important? having a lifetime in fbi law enforcement in order to be the essentially the number two person there? >> yeah, anderson, you know, it's not just a being having a lifetime career in law enforcement, but but specifically a career in the

fbi. it's an enormous organization. 38,000 people, 12,000 agents. the mission spans from national security and counterintelligence to counterterrorism, all the way to every possible criminal violation in the federal code in order to make those lightning fast decisions on thousands of cases, whenever you may be asked. um, you have got to know what the organization can do, what its people are capable of, and the sort of things that lead its people into problems and making mistakes and and holding people accountable. so thinking that you could just fall into that role, um, and do it competently without any of that knowledge or understanding or experience. it's confounding. >> um, so kash patel who, you know, previously to getting the job had talked about turning the fbi headquarters into a museum to the deep state and every all the thousands of people work there, sending them out to field offices. he's not doing that. but he has talked about now

already. i think, sending about 1000 people to field offices, and i think some 500 other support people. i'm not exactly clear on on the breakdown. um, what do you make of that move? because other fbi directors have tried to and talked about lessening the bureaucracy in washington, or i don't know. >> how many directors, many directors have focused on that. it's a it is a legitimate goal. if you come to the job with a vision for reducing that bureaucracy and gaining greater efficiency, you know, but the way to do that is to understand what work is being done, what's not being done, where those opportunities for increased efficiency may be, what parts of the field offices where you need additional people to to bolster those missions, to walk in on day one and just write a check that basically says 1500 of you are gone. you know, 1000 to field officers and 500 to huntsville, alabama. it's it's a that can't be anything other than a very blunt instrument.

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for seditious conspiracy and other charges. but that was a little less than two years ago, and he's now out of prison and pardoned by president trump. and eager, it seems, to get back into the limelight. tarrio was in d.c. friday where he was arrested near the capitol and briefly detained by police for simple assault after allegedly swiping at a protester. then on saturday, he and others turned up at a conference for conservatives opposed to president trump, taunting former police officer michael fanone and harry dunn, two of those officers, he once told a judge, were heroes. >> demi moore look in my eyes. i thank you for that day. you were a coward and you're another coward. you're a traitor to this country. yes. so are you a traitor to this country? you're. you're a traitor to this country. that's why they fired you. and that's why your own people turned on. you. you're a. stop it, stop it! traitor! hey, it's time to go. get him out of there! get him out! get him out! >> well, yesterday, the conference was evacuated after an email claiming there were

pipe bombs and threatening several of the conference participants, including former officer fanone. and he joins us in a moment. but first, our donie o'sullivan. um, it seems like a lot of these folks have been emboldened. >> absolutely. and you know, that footage there that you saw, they they basically followed. they were waiting for michael fanone and harry dunn, the other former d.c. police officer, at the hotel, and followed them through, were shouting abuse at them. um, look, there was a lot of things happening in d.c. last week, one of them being cpac, the sort of main conservative conference. there was a bit of debate earlier in the week whether jay sixers would be allowed in or not. they very much were. one, a defiant proud boy told me when he was. i asked him how he was being received there. he said, we're being treated like gods. these guys are really emboldened. i want to show you just one example a picture people will probably remember it from, from january 6th of a man named richard barnett. he had his feet on a desk in nancy pelosi's office, of course. and that's the guy there he was around cpac last

week very much in high spirits and was actually proud of himself. he was signing pictures, giving autographs on there he is. there he is now bald. but he was signing that picture, that that iconic picture of of of course, what many people would say was an absolute tragic day for american democracy, but celebrating it. >> all right. danny sullivan, thanks very much. appreciate it. former d.c. police officer michael fanone, who was violently attacked and injured on january 6th, joins us now. michael, it's good to have you back. can you what what what was your takeaway from that moment, from what happened to you this weekend? >> well. >> i mean, this is. >> um. >> this is one of the attack tactics that's employed. >> by enrique. >> tarrio and members. >> of the. >> proud boys. >> which, again, you know, for those of you who don't know, is an extremist, uh, right wing fascist organization that uses

intimidation tactics and violence, threats of violence to try to suppress anyone who is in opposition for the maga fascist movement. um, i was speaking at the principles first summit. uh, principles first is a grassroots organization that hosts a annual summit. uh, inviting individuals from a variety of different, uh, backgrounds and political ideologies, uh, but who share a common. um. a common goal in maintaining the democracy in this country. uh, like i said, enrique tarrio showed up with, you know, ivan ranklin and several other individuals that are, uh, you know, members of this organization. um, and they're really what they were there to do was to provoke some

type of confrontation with myself. uh, harry dunn. or daniel hodges, who were also there speaking, uh, for, for a variety of different reasons. i think one of them, to try to elicit some type of response in which they could use to. um. uh, provide a viral moment that would, you know, raise their, their profile and social media. yeah. uh, but also to, to try to provoke some type of incident in which they could pursue, uh, you know, litigation or, you know, sue for, for libel or some other type of, uh, you know, slander, which their organization, which purports to be, uh, an organization that holds masculinity in very, very high regard. um, you know, i would

like to say this where i'm from, uh, settling a dispute through litigation is the least masculine thing that you can possibly do. >> it seems like, um, i mean, i read tarry what he said when he was before judge trying not to get a long prison sentence, and he was praising the police officers. on january 6th. he called it a national embarrassment. what happened that day? obviously, you know, that's clearly not what he thought or, uh, that's what he, you know, was just trying to get a lesser sentence. he certainly seems emboldened by this. but a lot of the, the, the so-called proud boys, they had turned against this guy when they found out that he had, according to his attorneys, uh, his own attorney and others, been a cooperating witness multiple times in, in, in other incidences in years past.

>> yes. that's correct. enrique tarrio really is out for himself. i mean, what this ultimately is about for enrique tarrio, separate from the proud boys, which is, you know, this violent extremist group that models itself after the 1930s and 1940s, brownshirts of the neo-nazi or nazi movement. um, enrique tarrio is someone who. loves the limelight. um, he's he's become this cartoonish character in which he dresses in this ridiculous outfit, and he wears the sunglasses inside and everywhere that he goes. but ultimately, what it's about for enrique tarrio is clicks. he wants to generate social media, um, attention so that he can sell proud boys schwag and make money, right? um, he has, in fact, been rejected by various members of the movement because in fact, like you said, he was a government informant. um, he's been a government informant

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>> the cost of living is getting crazy here in colorado, and i hope that they would have some kind of an impact on helping that. >> the new republican congressman won by just 2000 votes. his 2026 reelection prospects will likely hinge on trump's performance. on whether swing voters here see the president as focused on the big issues. or veering too far off target. >> so, john, of all the trump supporters you spoke with, some had complaints or at least unease about the president's first month back in office. should should the president be concerned? >> well, he should listen to them, anderson. certainly. you do see some evidence today with the trump administration backing off that musk email to federal employees as perhaps evidence they are listening. look, trump voters, they understand there's a price of admission, some of the chaos, some of the other things. but what they most voted for was lower prices and a secure border that half of the trump voters we talked to complained about. musk worried that he has too long of a leash. that's pretty interesting.

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