>> clint hill died today at the age of 93. he was the secret service agent who risked his life in dallas almost 62 years ago. jumping onto the limousine carrying president john f kennedy and first lady jacqueline kennedy. he'll never forgave himself for being unable to save the president. he talked to 60 minutes is mike wallace in 1975. >> it's my fault. oh. >> no one has ever suggested that for an. >> instant. >> all that you did was show. >> great bravery and great presence of mind. >> what was on the. >> citation that was given you for your. >> work. >> on november 22nd, 1963? extraordinary courage and heroic. >> effort in the face of maximum danger. >> mike, i don't care. >> about that. >> if i had reacted. just a little bit quicker, i could have, i guess. i'll live with

that to my grave. >> the news continues right here on cnn. >> it's tuesday. >> february 25th, right now. >> on cnn. this morning. >> i think everyone thought it was a pretty ingenious idea. we said, if you don't respond, we assume you're not around. >> to reply or not to reply. that is the question. elon musk's email. >> ultimatum leaves federal employees. >> in limbo. >> now they're getting a second chance to respond. >> or face. >> termination. >> plus, a cautiously optimistic update. pope francis showing improvement overnight but still remains in critical condition. we're live in rome with the latest. >> and that's what i do. i do deals my whole life is deals. that's all i know is deals. >> the art of the deal. president trump heralds his deal making capabilities to bring an end to russia's invasion of ukraine, while french president

emmanuel macron sends a message of his own. 5 a.m. here on the east coast. you are looking live now at the capitol dome in washington, d.c.. good morning everyone. i'm kayla tausche in for kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. elon musk's midnight deadline for federal workers to justify their jobs or else has come and gone. so what now? federal agencies spent the day monday confounded by contradicting orders from administration officials about whether they should respond to musk's weekend message. one irs employee telling cnn it's bedlam. veterans affairs workers say, quote, no one knows who is in charge and who to listen to, adding it's totally disruptive. one message sent to health and human services employees told workers to, quote, assume that what you write will be read by

malign foreign actors. >> i saw. >> the content of that email. i found it to be very disrespectful and insulting. um, the american, the federal workforce goes to work every single day and provide critical services to working families. veterans, seniors, students every single day. >> the president, however, backing musk's claims that failing to respond to the email could result in workers losing their jobs. >> the last email that was sent where he wanted to know what you did this week, you know why he wanted that, by the way, i thought it was great. what he's doing is saying, are you actually working? and then if you don't answer, like you're sort of semi fired or you're fired because a lot of people are not answering because they don't even exist. >> eventually, the office of personnel management informed agencies last night that responding to the email was voluntary and failure to respond

would not, quote, equate to resignation. but musk seems undaunted, saying late last night workers will be given another chance and claiming that, quote, failure to respond a second time will result in termination. joining me now to talk about all of this is julia manchester, national political reporter at the hill. julia, first take us back to the beginning. do we know what over the weekend was the catalyst for musk sending this email in the first place? >> you know, i think musk has really been going to the beat of his own drum, essentially, you know, looking to take advantage, you know, take charge but not communicating with many people in the white house. seemingly, president trump is okay with that, but it's causing so much chaos, obviously, within the federal government, to the point where you have trump loyalists like defense secretary pete hegseth and other cabinet nominees that are pushing back against, uh, elon musk in this way. kash patel including that. so i think it's just caused a lot of confusion. i think musk in many ways thrives off of this chaos. he likes this, but it

really appears to be no end in sight. but clearly, a rift between musk and some of these high ranking officials. >> and then there were some criticisms lobbed by republican lawmakers suggesting that, in their words, more compassion needed to be used in the in the exercising of some of these mandates for elon musk. and then, almost in response to that, president trump said this in the oval office yesterday. i want to take a listen to that and then get your response. >> elon uses an expression caring. if we had people that cared, just cared a little bit when they did contracts, when they negotiated with outside vendors for on behalf of the united states. that's what i'm doing now. i'm negotiating for the people of the united states, and we're doing a great job of it. >> so that was actually. when he was doing his press conference with the french president, not in the oval office. but that being said, he is almost

responding to the criticism by saying, hey, if more care were exerted when these contracts were initiated or when these people were hired, we wouldn't have to be doing what we're doing now. how's that going to be accepted? >> right. so that's one of the arguments that supporters of this email, supporters of, you know, getting these employees to reveal the five things they did last week, essentially say, but at the same time, you know, there is this pushback, even though you have trump and musk and others saying this is how it's done in the private sector. you do have people that may support doge support these actions in theory, saying, well, this is really not baked into the culture of the federal government. it's sending a shock, shock wave and that we have to understand where these federal workers are coming from. i think it's interesting to hear governor glenn youngkin of virginia, for example, a state that has hundreds of, you know, over 100,000 federal workers there. yesterday, he gave a press conference and walked a very fine line saying that he supports doge. but at the same time, he has compassion and empathy for a lot of these federal workers talking about

how their jobs in the private sector available in virginia. should they get laid off. so we're seeing a number of different kinds of messages coming out from republicans. but at the end of the day, this is forcing all of them to respond. >> we do have that sound from virginia governor glenn youngkin. let's hear how he put it yesterday. >> we need. >> to press forward and. >> drive efficiencies in our federal government. >> and as a. result of. >> driving those. >> efficiencies, i do expect that. >> some virginians. >> will lose. >> their jobs. >> and that's. >> why it's so. important that we provide alternative, alternative. >> opportunities for. >> them. >> so they talk about draining the swamp. virginia is obviously in the backyard of the swamp in washington, d.c., a state run by a republican governor who's seen as a hopeful for a potential 2028 or beyond. and then there's a governor's race in that state coming up. how is this issue going to play out there? >> and i will note that after inauguration or ahead of inauguration, i should say governor youngkin was encouraging trump.

administration, federal workers or officials that were moving to dc area to move to virginia. so that's interesting. but look, we're already seeing it play out in that race. you have democrats essentially in virginia, essentially putting out a message that says, you know, this is glenn youngkin's message to voters. update your resume saying it lacks compassion, it lacks empathy. and you also see it playing out in the state legislature. there you have the speaker, don scott, during their special session, expand the scope of the session to focus on relief for federal workers or how to respond to these cuts. so this is in many ways really shaking up virginia, not only in northern virginia, where so many of these federal workers live, but also in parts of virginia like hampton roads, norfolk, a huge military population, also a big swing area of the state to watch in november. >> well, virginia, perhaps uniquely, does have at least northern virginia healthcare companies, tech companies, defense contractors. so perhaps there would be a soft landing for some of these workers, at least in the northern part of the state. but of course, this

is something we're going to be watching. julia manchester. julia. thank you. thanks. straight ahead on cnn this morning, a slight improvement for pope francis. we'll bring you the latest live from rome as the pontiff remains in the hospital in critical condition. plus, president trump refuses to call vladimir putin a dictator. and the u.s. sides with russia at the united nations. what it all means for america's allies. and donald trump taps a maga podcasting star as the fbi's second in command. how will it shake up the bureau? >> folks? the fbi has lost. it's broken. irredeemably corrupt at this point. i mean it when i say it. it's way past time to clean this fbi house up. don't even waste your time lecturing me on this issue. >> twitter. breaking the bird premieres march 9th on cnn.

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correspondent ben wedeman. ben, what is the latest that we are learning from the vatican? >> well, this. >> morning, kayla. >> we got a one line. statement from the vatican press. >> office saying that the. >> pope rested well all night. >> and we've just heard from a. >> vatican source. >> that basically. >> it was the same conditions last night as the night before that he woke up in the morning and continues to receive medical treatment yesterday evening. we had this more detailed bulletin from the press office saying that even though the pope remains in critical condition, he does have double pneumonia at the age of 88 and has had persistent respiratory problems over the last few years. but there is a slight improvement in his condition now on saturday. he has. he had a respiratory crisis that has required. he now requires oxygen, but that oxygen

is being administered at a lower concentration and a lower flow. he does have kidney issues, but the medics here at gemelli hospital in rome say that they're not a cause for excessive concern. so he's not out of the woods. but by and large, it does appear that he the the crisis we saw over the weekend when it seemed that the news was very bad, seems to have passed at the moment. and as i said, they're reporting a slight improvement in his medical condition. he does continue to function. he is not bedridden. he is eating normally. and yesterday, of course, he got on the phone with the parish priest in gaza, something that he's been trying to do every day since the war in gaza began. kayla. >> and ben, we have seen crowds gathering in saint peter's square. we saw the images of the faithful gathered on monday

evening. we expect that to take place on a daily basis. what is the significance of that? >> well, really, this reflects the concern, the worries that people have about the pontiff's health. in fact, it is the top story in most of the newspapers here in rome this morning. this nightly vigil that began last night and is expected to continue every night until hopefully, the pope's health starts to improve dramatically. now, this is reminiscent of what we saw exactly 20 years ago, when pope john paul the second was in his final weeks of life. his health situation obviously was much worse back then. uh, then pope francis. but what we saw back then was nightly prayer vigils for pope john paul the second. and we're expecting to see nightly prayer vigils for pope francis as well. kayla.

>> history perhaps repeating itself. ben wedeman in rome. ben. thank you. a stunning shift in u.s. policy. the trump administration aligning itself with the kremlin by voting against a general assembly resolution that condemned russia's war on ukraine, going against america's longtime european allies. the u.s. also pushed through its own resolution, making no mention of russian aggression. russian president vladimir putin, praising trump's actions. >> the president. >> the newly elected president, his hands are free. he is free from these shackles that do not allow to move forward and work towards resolving the conflict. these actions are based. >> not so much on emotions as on cold calculation, on a rational approach to the current situation. >> it's been three years since russia's unprovoked invasion of ukraine, and the casualties are mounting. cnn's matthew chance reports from moscow. but first, a warning. the images you are

about to see are disturbing. >> rene marsh u-box. >> three years into this bloodshed and the front lines remain hellish and brutal. there may be talk of peace, but every day in the war zone, the ultimate sacrifice is being paid. across russia. cemeteries are now burgeoning with fresh graves. the grim reality of the ukrainian meat grinder can no longer be hidden or denied. >> by state memorial. >> this monument was put up so people would know there is a war going on, says viktor, the head of a local veterans organization. it's not just some kind of operation, he says. people are dying everywhere. it wasn't meant to be this way. he's a russian. you can tell they're russian. i've spoken to them already. back in 2022, as the full scale invasion

began, cnn encountered russian troops sent on what became a suicide mission to capture the ukrainian capital. >> how can i. >> how can. >> i. >> find it? >> i harakat al-muqawama al-islamiyya. >> the kremlin still calls its special military operation was meant to be over in a few days. instead, russian troops were forced to withdraw, leaving behind them a trail of devastation. and in places like bucha, on the outskirts of kyiv, allegations of human rights abuses too. all denied by the kremlin. now president putin is still pinning medals on veterans before toasting their fallen comrades at the tomb of the unknown soldier. how many unknown soldiers there have been? no one even knows, putin says. but thanks to their efforts, courage and extreme hard work at the front, we have

russia today, he adds. and after three years of fighting, russia also has the ukrainian territories. it's captured and occupied, like the ruins of pisky and countless others, where former residents are now returning to their destroyed homes and trying to claim compensation from the russian authorities now in charge. i don't think there will ever be a peace agreement, yekaterina says. how can they agree on who will fix all of this? she asks. three years on and there are doubts. buildings or lives can ever be rebuilt. matthew chance, cnn, moscow. >> ahead on cnn this morning, the dealmaker in chief hosting the french president at the white house. with the future of ukraine hanging in the balance. are the two leaders on the same

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>> feeling we won't be running out of those. >> anytime soon. >> a new season of united states of scandal with jake tapper, march 9th on cnn. >> 5:32 a.m. here on the east coast, you are looking at a rainy seattle, washington, where it is. two 30 2:32 a.m. pacific. good morning everyone. i'm kayla tausche in for kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. long before running for office, donald trump built a brand and public persona off his business acumen. specifically deal making. you might remember a book called the art of the deal. and once more, trump is trying to bring those tactics to the world stage as he looks to bring about an end to the war in ukraine. >> i think russia likewise. i've spoken to president putin and my people are dealing with him constantly, and his people in particular. and they want to do something. i mean, that's what i do. i do deals my whole life is deals. that's all i know is deals. and i know when somebody wants to make and when somebody doesn't.

>> but it might not be so simple. french president emmanuel macron appeared alongside president trump at a joint press conference yesterday. he agreed peace is the goal. but at the same time, macron warned against russia's poor track record with keeping promises, stressing the importance of security guarantees. the president. >> has shown. >> this over the past few. >> days and he said so a. >> moment ago. we want peace. >> he wants peace. >> we want peace. >> peace swiftly. but we don't want. an agreement. that is weak. >> joining me now, jackie kucinich, washington bureau chief for the boston globe. jackie macron had a very, uh, had a diplomatic tightrope to walk here. he's done it before with president trump, both in his first term and this term. but clearly he's got some experience under his belt now. how did he do? >> i mean, you. >> could tell, right? >> he had he had a very kind of jocular, um, rapport with the president. and you saw them do their, you know, the signature handshake or one tries to, uh, just kind of, um, best the other

one. but still when you when you looked at the two of them and the conversation they had, he was, um, very agreeable with the president, but he also was firm in that when president trump was saying that europe was paying less for, for ukraine security, macron was quick to jump in and say, well, actually, that's not right. we've actually paid real money as well. so you saw that give and take throughout. you saw it, um, when he was talking about whether about, um, ukraine, ukraine's role in the world, you just really you saw him very gently but firmly push back against the president. >> it was a remarkable moment that you bring up where macron essentially fact checked trump in real time, when trump claimed that europe was going to be paid back for its support of ukraine. here is that moment. >> in europe is loaning the money to ukraine. they get their money back? >> no, in fact, to be to be frank, we paid we paid 60% of

the total effort. and it was through, like the u.s. loans guarantee grants and we provided real money. to be clear. >> if you. believe that, it's okay with me. >> we provided real money, to be clear. i mean, this is a leader in europe who has tried to reopen factories to produce weapons on the continent where they didn't before and tried to marshal support among his allies to get some of that aid to ukraine and to usher tens of billions of dollars to ukraine. it's still less than the united states has sent. but clearly macron is trying to make a point there. >> well, exactly. and i mean, one of the reasons that he was there to begin with was to ensure that the united that the united states doesn't walk away from ukraine, doesn't walk away from their solidarity with europe, which is a real question in the european capitals right now. >> um, stephen collinson wrote a pretty incredible analysis in response to some of these comments, and he talked about

the idea of donald trump's dealmaking prowess and how he's trying to apply it to this situation, not only with trump's own acumen, but also, you know, with his close friend steve witkoff, who is in part leading some of these negotiations. but he said peacemaking involves human lives. history is animosities and complex calculations, including the existential question of whether ukraine will survive and what a potent win would mean for future european security. there's no comparison, collinson writes, to the branding, deals and acquisitions that trump swung for casinos, golf clubs and skyscrapers during his checkered career as a property developer. um, that being said, trump does equate these. so do we expect him to get results here? >> one of the things that they're trying to extract from ukraine is an agreement to receive profits from their rare earth minerals. it's not something zelenskyy has been ready to sign, but it is something that trump has said is imminent. whether or not that actually happens, uh, i think i

think bessent, the treasury secretary, said they were almost there. we'll have to see. i think we'll know in the coming days. but, you know, it's really up in the air at this point. >> yeah. witkoff said that perhaps that deal gets signed this week. maybe that was a a way to try to nudge zelenskyy. exactly. >> the deal is that a negotiating tactic? >> we will see. jackie kucinich, we appreciate your time this morning. thank you. president trump, meanwhile, naming dan bongino as the next deputy fbi director. it's a role normally held by career fbi agents, but it is now in the hands of a secret service agent turned right wing podcaster who has blasted the agency in the past. >> the fbi has lost. it's broken, irredeemably corrupt at this point. but what the fbi did to donald trump, that wasn't law enforcement. it was tyranny. owning the libs is a lifestyle. you must own the libs repeatedly. you can't just own the libs once. it has to happen every day. that is all that matters. no it doesn't. dan, we have a system of checks and balances. that's a good one. we

need to set up a courtroom. donald trump can sit there. he can even wear like the wigs they wear in the in the uk court system. and he can just start making judicial decisions. >> cnn's brian todd has more on president trump's latest controversial pick. >> for president. trump now has two of his most loyal maga champions heading the fbi kash patel as director and now 50 year old dan bongino, a former secret service agent turned right wing podcaster. as deputy director. >> i got a call from the president and it couldn't have. he couldn't have been nicer. folks, it's a lot to walk away from. >> and a lot to walk into. according to former fbi officials who spoke to cnn, who believe the hiring of bongino will be controversial. >> and putting. >> somebody in who's. >> never been an. fbi agent. >> uh, is potentially troublesome. uh, i have no

problems with, uh, dan bongino. intelligence or his, uh, the fact that. >> he. >> had served. >> with the. >> secret service is a bonus. but this is. >> this. >> is going way out of the line of what the fbi has done in the past. >> that's partly because bongino has spent considerable time on the air slamming the fbi for its investigations of donald trump. >> folks, the fbi has lost its broken, irredeemably corrupt at this point. >> bongino, who served as a new york city police officer in the 1990s, later joined the secret service and served on president barack obama's protective detail. i interviewed bongino when he left the secret service in 2011 to run for the senate as a republican from maryland, asking him about his newly revealed political loyalty on the opposite side from the president he'd guarded with his life. >> i want to say personally that i have enormous respect for him, but i just disagree with the ideology. it's a simple ideological play. that's it. the country is going on the wrong path. >> since that failed bid for the senate, bongino's media profile

has skyrocketed, becoming a star and a regular on fox news, hosting his own hugely popular radio shows and podcasts. while he did scold the january 6th rioters, he also supported president trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. >> we had an election with unbelievably suspect behavior. >> all the while earning admiration from president trump. >> bongino how about dan bongino? >> bongino has. >> been promoting. >> far right. >> views on. >> his podcast. promising retribution. >> saying that trump is. >> going to get revenge against his enemies. and saying that trump. >> should just ignore. >> court decisions. >> that he doesn't like. >> now, as the hands on official handling the bureau's daily operations, bongino has a unique challenge. >> the one. >> thing you do not want to do day one is lose the loyalty of the fbi when they see their own management. appearing to go off the rail. you lost them. >> as for how the fbi's rank and file feels about dan

bongino, according to a mass email obtained by cnn that was sent to its members just before donald trump posted that bongino had been selected as deputy director, the fbi agents association, representing thousands of agents, said it had been told by kash patel that the new deputy director would come from within the ranks of the fbi. contacted by cnn, the agents association declined to comment on the appointment of bongino. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> coming up on cnn this morning, the devastating news that may have led a gunman to shoot and kill a police officer in a deadly standoff this weekend. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? >> new saturday on cnn. >> mucinex nightshift starts working at bedtime to fight your worst nighttime symptoms. how could you and leaves your system fast? by the time you wake up, you're ready to take on the

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>> cnn has. >> learned that the gunman. diogenes archangel ortiz, was removed from that hospital friday night after becoming irate and emotionally distraught after learning there was no other treatment available for his wife, who was on life support. according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation. ortiz fired his weapon multiple times, killing west york borough police department officer andrew duarte and injuring five others. video captured from inside the hospital shows police arriving as the hostage situation unfolded. meanwhile, inside, police attempted to negotiate mr.. >> diogenes archangel-ortiz came out holding at. >> gunpoint a member. >> of the upmc staff, who was also had her hands tied with the aforementioned zip ties. holding her at gunpoint. coming out into the hallway. the officers left with no recourse, did open fire

and did shoot and kill diogenes archangel ortiz. >> lester mendoza, a physician assistant at upmc, says he tried to comfort ortiz, writing on facebook, quote, i was there when we delivered the worst news imaginable to him that his loved one was gone. i saw his devastation firsthand. in that moment, i truly did not see a monster. he was simply broken. mendoza went on to write quote, we are working in a system that is stretched too thin. the medicines and supplies are too expensive. insurance companies, more relentless than ever. unsustainable staffing and turnover. first responders honored duarte in a procession as his body was moved to lehigh valley. duarte joined the department in 2022. he previously served in the denver police department, where he received an award for his work in impaired driving enforcement. >> it will never be. >> easy to know that one of

your. close colleagues and friends is not here with you anymore. >> gloria pazmino. gloria. thank you. in a matter of minutes, north korean hackers pulled off what security experts are calling the largest known crypto hack in history. stealing more than $1 billion in cryptocurrency. the hackers already laundering about $160 million of the stolen money through accounts connected to north korean operatives. according to one crypto tracing firm. in this one hack, north korea has nearly doubled what they stole in crypto for all of last year. it underscores the volatile nature of crypto, but that hasn't stopped president trump from leaning into the industry. even signing an executive order aimed at promoting digital assets. >> bitcoin is set multiple all time record highs because everyone knows that i'm committed to making america the crypto capital. we want to stay. we want to stay at the forefront

of everything. >> joining me now is former fbi intelligence analyst nick carlson. nick, thank you for joining us here this morning. how does a hack like this even happen to begin with? >> yeah i mean, the. >> north koreans, they. >> are. professionals at this. >> and they were. >> probably on these computers weeks. >> or months ago preparing this hack. >> who is the money stolen from? is it stolen from the exchange where the money had been sitting, or was it stolen from everyday investors that were invested in crypto? >> yeah. >> i mean, it's a basically like a cold storage wallet. >> that this exchange. >> had that was hacked. um, so this is kind. >> of reserved. >> money for the exchange, but ultimately this does affect customers. um. >> but the. >> exchange was able to get a bridge loan to cover. >> the losses. >> so nobody has been able to unable to withdraw yet. >> so are other crypto assets at risk? is this something that investors should generally be worried about happening going forward?

>> uh, i. >> mean, it's. >> always risky in crypto, right? >> especially if you have. >> a lot of money on hand, you're going to be a target for hackers like this. um, but for the most part, this is something that the north koreans are targeting against large companies. um, they're not going after small individual holders. >> as you mentioned, north korea is a repeat offender in this space repeatedly. uh, hacking financial accounts that are funding its nuclear program. the amounts that it's accessing are getting bigger. here's a sampling of just what they did in recent years. does the u.s. or big companies, do they have any recourse here? >> yeah. i mean. >> you know, the current strategy. >> basically it's been pursued is is really defensive. basically unloading the responsibility on the victims. >> um. and i. >> think going forward, that can't be sustainable. uh, the government needs to do more to actually interdict and disrupt these hackers before they hack and after. um, and so we need to go on offense. we can't just keep playing a defensive game like we have been. >> your firm that you work for

is the firm that traced the $160 million that is currently being laundered from this most recent hack. do we know what it's going toward, what it's going to fund. can you connect dots to its nuclear program at this stage? >> yeah. so we. >> can trace it basically as far as it is still crypto. um, but the end of this road is going to be the north koreans offloading these assets. they don't actually use crypto to buy the components for their nuclear program, for example. so what they need to do is turn this into cash. it's going to be chinese currency or u.s. dollars, and those are going to be in bank accounts. it's going to be in like prepaid cards in china. it's going to be cash. and that then enters a completely separate network. this kind of traditional trade based money laundering system. and that's how the north koreans end up spending it. um, so we can trace this as far as the crypto goes. but after that, it's it's kind of a dark hole for, for private firms. >> yeah. to that end, the biden administration in 2023 issued a report suggesting that half of north korea's nuclear program was funded through cyber theft.

in terms of what the current administration is doing, nic, president trump has promoted digital assets. he's promoted cryptocurrency. um, are you aware of any actions that the administration is taking to then safeguard those assets? >> uh, yeah, i mean, i, i think this new administration is probably going to be a lot more forward leaning. it's going to be a forward defense or maybe hopefully an offense. so i have a lot of hope that we can kind of turn this ship around and go at the north koreans and actually get some of these assets back for the victims. >> this is just an eye popping numbers, and we will see exactly what happens next in this situation. nick carlsen we appreciate your time and your expertise this morning. thank you. >> yeah, thank you for having me on. >> ahead on cnn this morning, president trump's move away from ukraine and closer to russia as he refuses to call vladimir putin a dictator. plus, elon musk doubles down on his

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