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it is 6 a.m. here on the east coast. and look at lady liberty there in new york city this morning, greeting us all on this thursday morning. good morning to you. i'm jessica dean in for kasie hunt. wonderful to have you with us. 18 senate confirmed cabinet members and the vice president all on the guest list for the first cabinet meeting of donald trump's second term, and many of them arriving at that first meeting wednesday at the white house, ready to make some remarks. but when president trump ceded the microphone to someone else in the cabinet room for the first time, it was not to any of them. he deferred instead to elon musk, the world's richest man and senior white house adviser. >> let the cabinet speak just for a second. >> yeah, exactly. >> were either very unhappy with it. you know, if you are, we'll throw them out of here. is anybody unhappy? >> musk then addressed the assembled cabinet leaders, going on at length about his efforts to rapidly transform the government into the president's

image. vice president jd vance not really talking. he didn't get a word in until about an hour into the meeting. and even then he talked for about 30s on the efforts to end russia's war on ukraine. musk, on the other hand, speaking three times longer than anybody else at the meeting besides the president himself, he went into detail defending that email to federal workers and admitting his doge team might make some mistakes along the way. >> we will make mistakes. we won't be perfect. but when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. so, for example, with usaid, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was ebola. ebola prevention. i think we all want ebola prevention. so we restored the ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption. >> while that dynamic played out in the cabinet room, cnn is also learning about how musk's job fits into the trump administration. white house chief of staff susie wiles meeting with senate republicans after the cabinet meeting, and they asked her about musk's role

in the government. and she told them he reports directly to the president, not to the cabinet. the president then talked to the cabinet secretary, joining us now to discuss isaac dovere, cnn senior reporter, karen finney, cnn political commentator and former senior adviser for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. and mike dubke, former communications director in the first trump administration. good to have all of you here with us. um, there was a lot to kind of chew on yesterday because we really got to see it play out in front of us in this kind of made for tv cabinet meeting. mike, i want to start with you. in terms of the dynamics between trump and musk, much ink has been spilled. many words have been said. i just said many words about it. but what did you glean from seeing that play out? >> a couple of things. well, and we'll continue to say a lot of words and spill a lot of ink on this on this subject. um, one of the things that you said that jd vance didn't get to speak until an hour into the meeting. part of that was because the president held a press conference for basically an hour into that meeting, which was

highly unusual. generally, when you have the pool reporters come in, they get five minutes max, and then they all get rushed out by, you know, the the white house press folks. he went on for an hour. the other thing i noticed is that elon musk did not have a seat at the table. so all of this, all of this that we're making of him speaking first and all of that, he was sitting in the back row against the wall. um, i think what we've been talking about globally, and especially in the united states, has been doge for the last month. so it makes sense that he was brought in there. it was his special guest and and spoke to the group. so i thought the dynamic was interesting. i thought the long press conference was interesting. i also saw the president interrupt elon multiple times, so i this was a show of force by the president. um, karen's probably got a different spin, but i'll leave it at that. >> well, we'll let karen have a different spin. what does karen think? >> well, look, i mean, they they clearly have their, like, bromance shtick down, right? they were kind of like, going

back and forth, you know, they've been in front of the cameras before. but look, part of what i was looking at that was interesting is just the power dynamic. because elon does show up in a t shirt and jeans and his cap, which, you know, makes me crazy because, you know, at least take off your hat in the west wing. have some respect in the white house and but part of what he was conveying is like, i don't have to play by the rules like the rest of y'all. and i get to be, you know, the tech, bro, and do my thing. and and so that was sort of interesting. and the fact that he did speak first, but also every single one of those secretaries, you could tell based on what had happened over the weekend with the email that went out where people were told, send the five things, but then they were told, no, don't send the five things. you know, there was that sort of awkward laughter at one point, and you have to think they were all sort of trying to figure out like, okay, how are we going to deal with this guy? because he's going to come into their agencies, tell them what to do while they're trying to figure out a they've got a new mandate for more cuts, but b, they're

also starting to hear from members of congress, republicans on the hill who are saying, hey, could you protect this program because it's really impacting my district and my people, and i'm getting calls. so it really just the dynamic between who's really in charge, you know, the power that elon has and you know, these mistakes that he sort of talks about, like the little oopses. these are impacting people's lives. i mean, again, the nuclear regulatory agency was one that was kind of more than just a pause, if you will. um, so again, i thought that dynamic was was interesting. we've never seen quite like that. we've had i've been in the cabinet room when there's visitors, but it's they're not necessarily visitors who technically have more power really, than the cabinet secretary. >> than almost anybody else in that room. and look, karen notes about the republicans that are concerned about what cuts might be coming. they're hearing from people in their home districts. this is obviously on the hill. they're trying to now figure out what they're going to do with this, this budget bill and how that's all going to get

situated. i want to play a clip about a reporter asking trump about medicare, medicaid and social security. this is what he said. >> the spending bill that passed last night aims to cut $2 trillion. can you guarantee that medicare, medicaid, social security will not be touched? >> yeah. i mean, i have said it so many times. you shouldn't be asking me that question. we're not going to touch it. >> and isaac, they keep saying that. but now we're even hearing from senate republicans who have had to say out loud people like josh hawley, who aren't necessarily kind of more moderate republicans say, i won't, i won't touch anything that has medicaid cuts in it. um, because when you look at the number they're trying to get to, it's hard to do that without touching these. >> yeah. and that's the reality of all these doge cuts is that it's little trims around the edges. yeah. what if there are going to be significant reductions to the federal budget? it would have to come from health care and defense spending. that's just the reality of it. the house republicans, in what they have done in their budget so far, have been a little uh, hiding

what's going on. they they've said. >> it's very general. >> well, they say the word medicaid is not in the bill. and yet, if you look at what the bill says, it directs hundreds of millions of dollars to be cut by the people who are in charge, the congressional committee that's in charge of medicaid, it. so they're pointing the direction of it. and everybody knows that medicaid cuts are on the table here. it's a question. yes, of what donald trump is going to agree to. it's before that maybe a question of what the republicans themselves can agree to. i was talking with a pretty liberal democrat last week who said to me, i cannot believe that i might have to thank josh hawley for saving medicaid. like, literally, that was the conversation. uh. >> these are the times we find ourselves. >> in, but it's because we. >> have a film crew ready. >> he's when he wants to go on. on the road. >> i do think, though, that it is a good reminder of how we talk about these programs, and

they're in the political back and forth social security. but there are a lot of americans who rely on them, and those people do not fall into one geographic region or one political affiliation. it's all over the place, and a lot of governors are trying to figure out what they're going to do about this, because they are going to face the shortfalls in their state. uh, there was last week, all the governors were in washington for a meeting of the national governors association and the governor of hawaii, josh green, a democrat, a liberal democrat, was he spoke at a press conference and said, look, we have medicaid needs in our state. but where the highest needs are. and he was right about this is, uh, if you look in the southern part of the country, the reddest part of the country, right. those are a lot of trump voters. those are a lot of republican voters. what what are they going to do when these cuts come in? >> all right. and that is the question. and unfortunately, we are out of time because we could talk about that a long time. but

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march 9th on cnn. >> we have breaking news now out of new mexico is actor gene hackman is dead at 95. police saying hackman was found dead on wednesday alongside his wife and their pet dog inside their new mexico home. no word yet on their cause of death. the santa fe sheriff's office says it is not believed to be foul play. of course, hackman starred in a number of prominent films, including superman, hoosiers, the royal tenenbaums, unforgiven and the french connection. >> please. >> i'm sorry. can i help you? >> actually, i think i'm here to help you. i'm avery tolar, your designated mentor. i puppy's here. get your hands on your heads. get off the bar and get on the wall. come on! move, move! >> don't leave me here. i don't want to be the only girl not dancing. >> the birdcage. they're joining us now to discuss the legacy of gene hackman. segun odie, he's

an entertainment journalist. thank you so much for being back with us again. you know, we're just watching a few clips there. that is just a tiny portion of what gene hackman did in his incredible career. it was just such an expansive, multi-decade film career. >> jessica, you're absolutely right. six decades. his career spanned everything from superhero movies. superman, opposite christopher reeves. he was lex luthor, westerns. unforgiven, he's opposite clint eastwood and morgan freeman, action movies. he's opposite will smith in enemy of the state, and the movie that i will always remember him for, because my freshman basketball coach at chantilly high school, mark wayne, quoted his speech about the baskets being ten feet high. wherever you go, norman dale in hoosiers, gene hackman was an actor for every occasion, for every film, and for every one. it didn't matter. his, in fact,

opposite denzel washington in crimson tide. there's a story where women would stop him. black women would stop him in the grocery store and say, you the man that hit denzel. we don't like that. but that's who gene hackman was. everybody loved the gene hackman movie. he will be sorely missed. >> he really will. and everybody has one that they love. or 3 or 4. and it is just such a he is such an emblem of a time in the film industry where you could have a six decade career and play all of these types of characters. so many of the movies we love that he's in probably wouldn't even get made anymore. >> yeah. you know, he wasn't beautiful like an earl flinn. george clooney. in fact, he didn't think that he could be a leading actor or a star because he didn't have those classic movie star looks. he didn't have the sex appeal of, like, a brad pitt or a denzel washington. but

he was everyman. like, he looked like your next door neighbor. so you believed him in everything that he played, even if it was, you know, a sappy. ridiculous movie. the quick and the dead with leonardo dicaprio and, um, and other and other actors and actresses. but he was the guy that you went to see, and those movies don't exist anymore. the gene hackman movies, they were huge budget films. they were just good movies. and that type of cinema isn't around anymore. and with the oscars right around the corner this weekend, there better be an appropriate montage for this titan of film, because i don't think we're going to see the like of a gene hackman again. those movies just don't get made with this type of star. >> yeah. and i'm we're watching the clip right now from runaway jury with gene hackman and dustin hoffman. um, and it's, uh, there's a relationship between these two. i think the story is they were coming up

together, and they were both voted least likely to succeed. >> yeah, they did come up together as friends, uh, you know, struggling actors in out here, out here in california, at at a playhouse and then later rekindled their friendship in new york as gene was struggling, gene actually got kicked out of the program and basically kind of thumbed his nose and said, i'll show you guys. i will be, i'm going to make it. and went to new york. and he's he's a testament of like the working actor, the the person that just shows up every day delivers. you mentioned the royal tenenbaums. he was adept at doing comedy. we talked about action movies, spy thrillers. it didn't matter. you knew if you put gene hackman in your movie, you were going to get award worthy performances. he won two academy awards, one for best actor in the french connection, with his classic

character of popeye doyle, and then again for playing an evil sheriff in unforgiven. those roles spanned 20 plus years apart. so, gene hackman, it didn't matter. like he was, he was the guy, like, can you think of an actor now that you would say, okay, well, if they're in the movie, i'm going to see it because it's going to be good. i can't think of one. i always knew gene hackman movies. they were going to be good. >> yeah. he leaves quite a legacy behind. thanks for walking us through it. we really appreciate it. >> jessica i wish it was under better circumstances, but happy to talk about this titan of cinema, gene hackman. um, the lights are a little bit dimmer here in hollywood. >> i know, go watch hoosiers and and enjoy it today. so good. thanks so much. good to see you. coming up on cnn this morning, the measles outbreak widening in texas. now, there's been a death, its first measles death in a decade. we're going to ask doctor deborah burks about the threat. plus, the price of eggs

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promise not kept. just yesterday, the trump administration announcing a new plan, though, to bring down egg prices by curbing the ongoing bird flu epidemic. and cnn's harry enten takes a look at how one new york bodega has tried to tackle the costly kitchen staple. >> in the bronx, the borough where i grew up, we headed to pamela brown deli. >> good to see you. >> with a price of eggs is a red hot topic. >> now is eight, nine, ten, 11, 12. it's horrible. >> what are you thinking about egg prices these days? >> that's so expensive? i haven't eaten eggs in about a month. >> okay. that's incredible. did you used to eat a lot. >> of eggs every day? every day? my children do. not anymore. >> you know, it's crazy that we can't afford eggs. it's a good thing that the owner is doing, though. he's selling eggs loose so that the community have access to them. >> selling eggs loose three at a time instead of a dozen. so i heard you're doing something special here. something a little bit different so that people can actually get the eggs that they

need to. >> it's selling for $12, $11. we decided to sell loose, loose eggs, you know, like this package. okay. 332 99 for these three eggs, sometimes the people only have probably $20, $25. if they spending $12 on eggs. so it's going to be difficult for them to buy the rest of the stuff. you know, like the bread, butter, oil, all the things that they need to, to, to cook. >> are people telling you that they really like. >> they buying, they buying, they're buying a lot of people coming and they buy it and they happy because we did that and remind me for when i'm for where i'm coming from, i'm coming for dominican republic. and this is what i used to do. over there. but i'm working in the grocery store. >> all right. harry enten, thanks to you for that. i want to bring the panel back in. they've stayed here the whole time. like like the good people that they are. but listen, you

you hear that woman in there and she says, i used to eat eggs every day. i've been eating them in a month. i mean, this is impacting people. we are dealing with the bird flu as well. >> yeah, yeah. i think what's interesting is it does sort of reflect, just in general, how people are feeling about the economy. and we can make lots of jokes about it. but at the same time, yolks make some yolks, but it does reflect, you know, people are very aware how much they're putting out when they're going to the grocery store or when they're. >> 41% in 2025. >> and, you know, the expectation is it's not going to come down any time soon, despite some of the efforts that they're going to take. >> it does differ around the country. so i, my son in little rock, arkansas, was having a conversation. well, there. >> you go. >> $3 a dozen at trader joe's, alexandria, virginia, whole foods, over $6 a dozen. so, i mean, people are feeling the pain differently. the only thought that keeps going through my humpty dumpty is a billionaire, right? >> just just keeps.

>> yeah. yeah. >> i mean, i mean, he's got it all inside. as long as he can keep it, to. >> keep it together. >> keep it together? >> yeah. okay. um, i'm trying to. >> i was trying to set isaac up, but that one, i just. i couldn't do. >> he's just fried. >> he just can't. >> he scrambled. he can't come. >> up with. i'm short on puns. i do think that, you know, politically. and you showed that video of trump on the campaign trail. it. there has been a lot of talk. oh, well, people voted for was elon musk running the government? people voted for? was all this what people voted for? a lot was doing something about prices. >> bringing down the cost. >> and that video is something. and it wasn't the only time that he did that on the campaign trail. it it is something that may come back to haunt him. and we'll see and we'll see how much people register it. they did blame prices on joe biden, whether or not that was his fault. they may blame this on donald trump, whether or not that's his fault. >> we're going to see the democrats trying to find their footing in the era of trump and musk coming up, i'm going to speak with congressman brad schneider of illinois about where his party goes from here.

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wednesday. >> incidentally. >> there have been. >> four measles outbreaks. >> this year in this country. last year, there were 16. so it's not unusual if measles outbreaks every year. we're watching it. and there are about 20 people hospitalized, mainly for quarantine. >> kennedy saying the outbreak quote, not unusual there. he also claims the hospitalizations were for quarantine purposes. that is something that has been disputed, though, by local hospital officials. >> we don't hospitalized patients for for quarantine purposes. quarantine is not something that would happen in a health care facility. we admit patients who need acute supportive treatment in our hospital. >> joining us now to talk more about this doctor, deborah birx, former covid 19 response coordinator under the trump administration. good morning to you, doctor. thanks for being here with us. i want to start first with the health secretary calling this growing outbreak in texas, quote, not unusual. would you say that's an accurate characterization of what we're

seeing unfold there in texas? >> well, you know, over the. >> last two years, 24. >> and. >> 25, we've had a lot of measles outbreak. and i think it's really a reflective of we have both red states and blue states that are under 90% of the children vaccinated. and i think we have red states and blue states that are above 95%. so we need to learn from the states that are keeping the higher levels of vaccination and really improve the vaccination rates, particularly in rural communities. but this specific community where this started is a rural religious exemption community, and we have those throughout the united states. >> yeah. and doctor burke, doctor burks, we also spoke with texas health officials about this outbreak. and they underscored how rare this is for them professionally. i just want to listen to what they said about it. >> have you ever seen measles before? >> no. >> and i'm an infectious. >> disease physician. i've never diagnosed a case.

>> that's incredible. >> it's because. >> you know. >> measles was declared eliminated. from the united states back in the. >> year. >> 2000 because of the effectiveness of that vaccine. and it's only now with falling immunization rates, not just here in texas, but across the country and around the world, that we're starting to see more of these outbreaks. >> and, doctor burks, i heard you in your last answer are really talking about looking to these states where they have a higher vaccination rate. i'm curious how this rise in kind of anti-vaccination sentiment has potentially breathed new life into these diseases, which 25 years ago were considered. eliminated. >> yes. so if you look at vaccine hesitancy, it was pretty stable for the last decade. but since covid, vaccine hesitancy has really increased and vaccination rates among children, school age, children has really decreased. so if you go to the cdc website and i just want to pick up with what you said about secretary kennedy, because i always like to go into the data and try to figure out

where that came from. and on the cdc website, it does state both for 2024 and 2025 that the hospitalizations were related to isolation and complications. so it does talk about isolation as hospitalization. i know in texas because i just came from lubbock last week, that these are very sick children that are in the hospital, but that's why precision is important in data. we need to really get precise data on our cdc public health website so that it really says what how many were for isolation and how many were for treatment. >> and you mentioned the cdc website. the cdc has been subject to a lot of these cuts. hundreds of people have been fired from there. the fda, the national institutes of health. are you concerned about that? when we're confronting something like this? >> well, i think you know that i have been very direct with the cdc about data improvement over more than a decade. and i think there are critical improvements

that need to occur there. so the data is real time. data is daily. i mean, we live in an information age. we shouldn't be just uploading weekly. and so i'm really hoping that we focus the personnel on the public health of the united states and really improve our data and our data to american people so that we have clarity on what's happening across the united states at the county level, where people live. >> i also, before i let you go, i do want to ask you about this as well. we've learned a vaccine advisory meeting has been canceled, and we can read just a little bit of the report. it says the meeting of the vaccines and related biological products advisory committee, or v r b pac, is held every month, every march to pick flu strains because it's a six month production cycle for a vaccine released in september. apparently doctor burks, the meeting had been set for march 13th, and we're told by doctor paul offit he's received an email saying it's been canceled. how critical is that meeting?

and does that ring any alarm bells for you? >> well, deciding on the flu strains are pretty important. and even when we decide we don't always get it perfectly. and remember, most of our flu vaccines are grown in eggs, so we just had off the eggs segment. so yeah, i know they're working on better flu vaccines that are more durable, that more across strain recognition. this strains are critically important. now they can probably to be honest they can do this by a discussion on zoom. they can do this by um. online discussion of how to pick these. strange because it's very data driven based on what's happening in the southern hemisphere as we speak. so there are alternatives to in-person meetings. >> they just need to meet in some capacity. it sounds like is the is the important part. i also want to ask you about amy gleason. she is who the white house has says is running doge, and she actually has a history with you working on your covid

19 response team. did you know amy? and can you talk a little bit about her experience? >> you know, i was fortunate to have it was tiny. we had about five people that created all those data streams that we provided to the american people and to governors across the united states, which i think was incredibly important because we were in a very resource limited state in that moment. and when you don't have enough resources to just send them everywhere, you have to be very precise. and it was amy and that data team that got up our laboratory reporting, our hospital reporting, so we could really see where this virus was and where it was going, so we could give states what they needed. and i got to work with her every day for almost a year. and really competent, hard working, focused woman who understands the value of data. >> all right, doctor deborah birx, thanks for your time this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead on cnn this morning, the supreme court

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without any assessment of the american people's needs, will end up costing taxpayers more money. >> yeah. >> yeah, waste, waste interrupt disruption to services. you want to know why no one at the social security office? they're firing people. >> house democrats now showing a united front in the face of those sweeping cuts this week, they voted unanimously against a republican budget resolution, which ultimately passed on a party line vote. besides opposing republican votes, democrats also looking for a broader strategy. >> i'm telling the democrats, just sit there and play possum. let them go. let them go. >> i don't agree that we should just step back. i think we've got to show leadership, show a way forward, and show americans that we're actually willing to change. >> there has been some theory. >> of the case that we should maybe fight occasionally. we should reserve power. i think donald trump floods the zone, and i think we should flood the zone. >> joining us now, congressman

brad schneider, the chairman of the new democrat coalition. congressman, good morning to you. thanks for being here with us. happy to be here. i just want to start first where we where we left off there. jane akre james carville saying just play possum, play dead, rope a dope. what do you think? >> well, i think it's full quote was played possum and jump up like a hyena. fact of the matter is and is my colleague said we shouldn't be playing possum. we should be playing lion. and we need to be out there and out front talking about what people care about and what they want is for congress to work on making life easier, lowering, lowering prices, fighting inflation. we should be making it give people a chance not just to make ends meet, but to get ahead. working on creating safe and healthy communities and and trying to make sure that america continues to be the land of opportunity that the american people deserve. >> and so there's a couple things i want. it's like a kind of it would be two pronged, which is, number one, i when we talk to people out, just americans out there, democrats, but also others, maybe independents that voted for donald trump, but especially the democrats. they they're frustrated. they want to know

where are the democrats right now? do you understand that frustration? >> i appreciate the frustration. i think they're looking in the wrong places because the democrats are out there. you saw the rally we had on on the steps the other day, right before every single democrat voted against a budget plan that the republicans are putting forward that will cut $800 billion from medicaid, cut two up more than $200 billion from food programs that help feed the hungry. that is going to add $300 billion to our debt and ultimately result in $20 trillion of additional debt over the next ten years, rather than bringing down our debt and addressing our problems, they're expanding on our problems. >> and but respectfully, i'm looking at this video and democrats are going trump's all over the internet. they're everywhere. everyone on tiktok sees them. no one is watching something on the house steps. so what do you do to combat that? >> we've got to be all over the internet. we've got to be talking to people, meeting in interviews like this, but talking to podcasters who are talking to the american people,

having town halls. you'll notice that the republicans put out a message this week saying, don't have live town halls because they don't want to face the ire of the voters. the voters are right. they're upset. what elon musk, who no one elected, no one's vetted. he and his doge bros are doing are basically taking not a scalpel or even a butcher knife to the government, but they're going in, as he said, with a chainsaw, not giving any thought to what they're doing, not considering the ramifications until after the fact. if ever there was an example of ready, fire, aim doge is it? >> and so okay, so if that's the case and these cuts, as we just saw in that clip we played from virginia, they're starting to really go through and disseminate through the country. and people are being affected by them. how do you all then take what's happening and convert that into winning back the house in two years? >> there's a number of pieces. we've got to keep talking to the voters and making sure they know what's happening, that if you cut aid to or assistance to first responders, when you have a fire at your home, the fire truck is not going to be there

because there's no fire truck for that community. if you're cutting programs at national parks and you take your summer vacation, you're going to be waiting three hours to get into the park because the people who check the cars going in aren't going to be there. so from the mundane to the very serious, these are real problems. we have to talk about that. but we also have to deliver a message. and this is what the new dems are doing. so i'm chair of the new democrat coalition. we're 110 members, the majority of the democratic caucus. and we rolled out a vision, a platform built on three pillars economic growth and opportunity, lowering costs, healthy and safe communities, and a strong national security. national defense making america what it should be, not destroying it like you're seeing with doge and others. >> and we are starting to see the protests like we saw in that clip. i want to play what speaker johnson said about those, and i want to get your reaction. >> videos you saw of the town halls were for paid protesters in many of those places. these are democrats who went to the events early and filled up the seats. if you if the videos had panned out, they were. >> building protesters, though.

>> mr. speaker. many of your. republican acknowledged. >> they were his constituents. >> uh, one republican acknowledged they were constituents. that's fantastic. okay. but they had democrats come and fill the seats early. all right. this is an old playbook. >> what do you think of that? >> i think they're sticking their head in the sand. if we close our eyes and don't look, it's like little kids game. they close their eyes and maybe it disappears. fact of the matter is that the people at home are angry. they see what these cuts are doing to their communities. they see what they're doing to the nation and they're saying, stop. that's not what we voted for. yes, the american people want us to lower prices. yes, the american people want us to make sure government is efficient. but you look at what doge is doing. before i was in congress, i worked with ceos and business owners, and we worked together on trying to identify how to make things more efficient, more effective. but there's some basic questions you ask. first. one is, should this be done? if not, stop doing it. then you ask if it should be done. are we the best ones to do it? should the government be doing it? and if not, then you find others who can do it better. but there are things

that only the government can do. you had a segment on earlier talking about this outbreak of of measles. that's not just a threat to the families in texas. my heart breaks for this family who lost their child. but measles is a threat to the whole country. we've seen recently what an epidemic can do when it grows into a pandemic. and the cdc and government programs that work with the states, that's not anything any company can do. the federal government has to do that. and elon musk is going in with a sledgehammer and destroying it. >> all right. congressman brad schneider, thanks for being here. thank you. we appreciate it. all right. we are 54 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. the pentagon is clarifying plans to kick out transgender service members in a new court filing, defense department leaders outlining a new policy which recognizes only two sexes, male and female. a memo outlining the policy says any service members with gender dysphoria will be removed from the military. a maryland judge will decide if adnan saeed will remain free, despite his

conviction for the 1999 murder of a former girlfriend. prosecutors have dropped their bid to vacate his conviction. he was sentenced to life in prison but released in 2022 due to issues with trial evidence. and this. >> breaking news. >> right now you're going to see some epstein. >> information being. >> released by. >> my office. >> attorney general pam bondi promising last night to release information related to jeffrey epstein as soon as today. the new york financier was in a new york jail awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges when he died by suicide back in 2019. the files could include flight logs of epstein's private jet, with names of passengers who flew with him, plus. >> if you put your effort and concentration into playing to your potential to be the best that you can be, i don't care what the scoreboard says at the end of the game. in my book, we're going to be winners. >> academy award winner gene hackman is dead. police responding to a welfare check request at his santa fe home wednesday afternoon where they

found the actor, his wife betsy and a dog, all deceased. their cause of death has not been confirmed, but the santa fe sheriff's office says it is not believed to be foul play. hackman was 95 years old. and i am bringing our panel back in here as well, just as we watch gene hackman. i know there were so many movies we were talking about at the earlier at the top of the hour. myself, i enjoyed the firm, but i think a lot of people, the point we were making was that he had a six decade long career in film, which is just something you don't see in the movies much anymore. so if anyone has a favorite film, you're welcome. hoosiers was another favorite. >> hoosiers for me, but the little known fact is when the press left the cabinet room yesterday, president trump gave that exact same speech to the cabinet. >> did they. >> just go out there and be winners? >> diddy musk interrupt him and. >> give himself. >> you know. >> so i was a college athlete and my my coach, we were it was ahead of a big race that we had coming up. it was, you know,

very important in our season. and she had us all watched hoosiers. >> actually really like i think that. >> happened. get our confidence up. >> so much in the royal tenenbaums. gene hackman does with the word anyway. >> yes. >> he was. just there was no one like him. >> he was really. i know he leaves quite a legacy. um, all right, moving on. both the liberal and conservative supreme court justices appear to be, as justice neil gorsuch put it, quote, in radical agreement yesterday as they heard arguments about a so-called reverse discrimination case, the court seemed likely to side with an ohio woman who claims she lost out on a promotion and even got demoted because she was straight. >> judge kethledge basically said, um, you have a situation here where she alleged she was a member of the majority group. she was 20 years her employee. great reviews. and then all of a sudden she's not hired and someone is hired who's gay doesn't have her level of

college experience and didn't even want the job. it's something suspicious about that. it certainly can give rise to an inference of discrimination. >> our panel back here. uh, isaac, interesting to see these supreme court justices in such alignment. >> yeah. over anything these days. i know, although it's always the case that the supreme court, uh, except for the biggest and most controversial cases, tend to be a little bit more aligned. but look, this is playing out in our politics. this is playing out in our culture in all sorts of ways. we will see what it looks like on the other end of it, whenever that is. but we are in the middle of, uh, the some level of backlash to what was happening over the last couple of years. and i think that that you see, sonia sotomayor, a a liberal justice, responding that way, is, uh, evidence that there are more people who are who have had second thoughts about some of

the moves that have been made in government and culture over the last couple of years than maybe, uh, others would have suspected. >> yeah. and, mike, look, this is part the dai is a much broader conversation. it's not necessarily exactly connected, but it is, as you're saying, kind of tangentially connected. >> well, it's all part of the same kind of movement and flow that we're seeing with companies pulling back on dei policies. the government, all of, uh, the ios coming out of the white house. so all of this is happening kind of congruently. it is interesting to see that that the big thing is, i do think the supreme court and the judicial branch of our government is going to have a much higher level of impact over the next couple of years as we watch all of these things. >> the one thing i would say about this case. >> is that. >> yeah, people forget that initially when we talked about affirmative action programs, white women are a protected as women are a protected class and have benefited the most from affirmative action programs. and so part of this case sort of