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now there really are more questions than answers. this is obviously such a sad passing of a hollywood legend, but also the manner in which he died is so bizarre at this point. as you said, gene hackman and his wife, as well as their dog, all found deceased in their home in santa fe, new mexico. their bodies were found yesterday, we are told, by local police from santa fe. now they were responding to a wellness check. we have inquired what sparked that wellness check, why they were called to that home. we have not heard back yet, but police have said that there is no suspected foul play, but they have not given a cause of death yet. now gene hackman, again, one of the greatest stars on screen. he just turned 95 last month, so a long, incredible life and illustrious career. the tributes are starting to already pour out erica, but again, so many people shocked just in the manner of which he was found. now we

actually found a clip back from 1985 when gene hackman sat down with cnn. he was talking about his career. he actually said that he didn't like to watch himself on screen, but he also spoke about getting into some different type of roles. let's take a look. >> you started and of course, have won a lot of acclaim for comedy roles. would you like to do some more of that? >> yeah, i would, i is just peculiar that all the things i did on broadway in new york in the older days were all light comedies, almost like situation comedies you'd see on television now and after, you know, a couple films that were successful, the french connection and that kind of thing. and people said, oh, this guy handles a gun pretty well. let's keep him doing that. >> you know, you hear so many actors talking about being typecast, but gene hackman really could do it all. he could play any role. and i love that he was talking about his comedic

roles there, because i have to tell you, erica, one of my favorite gene hackman films, is actually not one of his highly acclaimed films. it was called heartbreakers, and it came out in 2001. it was a comedy with sigourney weaver and jennifer love hewitt, and that was one of his final films. he had a series of films in 2001, but he did retire from hollywood in 2004. he stepped away from the limelight and he moved to new mexico, and since then he has lived a relatively private life now, final point i do want to point out that his death comes just three days before the oscars. and of course, gene hackman won two oscars, has been nominated for five. and certainly, you know that producers are scrambling to ensure that they have a beautiful tribute prepped for him during that. in memoriam this sunday. >> absolutely. elizabeth. appreciate it. michael, when we look at gene hackman, right, he really did in many ways bring

this sort of everyman actor to the screen. >> he did, and he brought his own stage presence and star quality to that. so he was more than an everyman. he was gene hackman up there, and the range that he spoke about from comedy to drama, was extraordinary because as far as comedy, let's not forget he was the sightless man in mel brooks young frankenstein. he was in the birdcage as the right wing senator who ends up in full drag. he could be truly hilarious, but he's best known for the dramatic work, like his oscar winning turn as popeye doyle in french connection, where it's a kind of documentary style piece about the quest for, you know, international drug smuggling and to bust that whole thing, the famous car chase of the car against the elevated train in my own neighborhood of bensonhurst, brooklyn, is breathtaking. and gene hackman was a big part of that whole movie success. >> michael, you've covered entertainment for for so long, and you have such a deep connection, right? not just to this beat, but to so many

people, right, who are part of it. i'm just curious, your initial reaction when you heard the news. i mean, i was stunned. i also couldn't believe that he was 95. um, but it really just gave me pause for a moment. >> i was horrified because i really treasure him as a movie icon. he's somebody who didn't really care that much about celebrity and being fabulous and famous. he cared about the work and he could do any kind of movie. he went from french connection to superman playing the ultimate villain, lex luthor. uh, he was an extraordinary actor. and then the way he, the wife, and the dog were found dead was extremely macabre. if it was some kind of suicide pact, uh, which is what it sounds like to me, though i hate to speculate, but i don't think it was a three way suicide pact. i doubt the dog had much say in the whole thing, but in any case, it's a very creepy thing of the type that would end up in a book like hollywood babylon, where they tell you the dark side of hollywood. uh, gene, did. >> i do, i do, i do, michael, i

do need to clarify. we don't we don't have any of those details. we haven't. you know, all we know at this point is that foul play is not suspected. we don't know the ultimate cause of death. so i just want to be careful not to speculate. i would like to get your take. i'd love to get your take on, you know, as elizabeth noting he really stepped away from hollywood in 2004. he had also sat down with larry king in 2004. and part of that interview really stood out. i want to play part of it for you now. >> do you sometimes see a finished product and say, i don't like me? >> i don't, because i, i try not to watch it. i. >> you know, you don't watch the film. >> i try not to, you know, sometimes i sometimes. no, never. it just makes me very nervous. very nervous. >> to sit in a movie theater and see yourself. >> i'm always afraid somebody's going to sit in front of me and say, are you kidding? let's get out of here. >> i would imagine he's probably not alone in that feeling. it seems that actors fall into one of two categories the either watch and nitpick everything, or they don't want to see it for that same reason.

>> that's a true artist you heard there, because that's somebody who was afraid and vulnerable to have his work picked apart like that. he was serious about the work, like i said, and he wasn't so much into the whole process of dissecting the work. uh, and of course, he did have health problems when he retired, but also he felt it was drying up in a way, his career, the offers weren't what they were. and he had such an extraordinary body of work at that point, he thought it was best to kind of remove himself from the business, and i admired that as well. someone who knows, maybe when it's time to move on. >> yeah, it's, you know, it's an important note and something we don't always see a lot of the fact that the academy awards are this sunday. how do you expect he will be not only remembered, but honored at the awards ceremony. >> i would imagine, yeah, i would imagine when they do the in memoriam segment, uh, dame maggie smith was probably going to be the finale. she was incredible as well, but i have a feeling it's going to now end with gene hackman, and it will be more than just a few seconds of tribute. and i also think a

lot of people are going to be mentioning him in their speeches, because if you don't, you're going to seem kind of out of it, you know? yeah. just like people are going to mention the fires and other serious things. the loss of gene hackman is a tremendous loss for the movie industry, but he'll always be there for us as an icon. any movie that he's in, i can watch and really get something out of. >> well. even several, several to choose from. luckily, michael, always a pleasure. >> to speak with you. >> thank you eric. >> thanks so much. well, happening today, a high stakes oval office meeting between president trump and british prime minister keir starmer. this is really a moment where the true strengths of that special relationship between the two nations is going to be on display for the world to see. of course, as you know, president trump wants a lucrative rare earth mineral deal with ukraine. but he's remained noncommittal when it comes to security guarantees, which we know are incredibly important for ukraine. he's also been highly critical of europe's role in

funding the war in support of ukraine and europe's role in terms of those security guarantees. starmer, for his part, hoping to redirect some of the president's focus and energy toward an outcome that could favor the west, but also ensure long term peace and security for ukraine. the meeting, of course, also sets the table for tomorrow, when trump will host president zelenskyy at the white house. joining me now to discuss kurt volker, former u.s. ambassador to nato and former u.s. special representative for ukraine, negotiations in the first trump administration. it's good to have you with me this morning. so, first of all, in terms of keir starmer today, what can he do? what should he do? what does he need to do to set the table in many ways for ultimately what one would hope would be a positive negotiation tomorrow between president trump and zelenskyy? >> right. well, i think the first thing that's going to be on his mind is the u.s., uk relationship itself and making sure that the u.s. and uk are in full alignment on a range of issues. he is concerned about tariffs. he's concerned about tariffs on europe. so he wants

to make sure that the u.s., u.k. relationship is solid. within that, he wants to come forward with proposals for what europe can do to help assure ukraine's security going forward. i think everyone is looking at the prospect of a cease fire that president trump is trying to push through, but if that does happen, you're going to need to prevent putin from rearming and attacking again. and this is where i think president trump is looking to europe to take the lead. and it's on starmer. and earlier this week, president macron really to try to put that package together. >> and that was certainly a lot of what we heard right in the in the multiple times that we heard from president macron and president trump earlier this week talking about that security guarantee in terms of peacekeeping forces, european peacekeeping forces. president trump has been very clear where he stands on that. but there's still a bit of a gap. how much do you imagine that will, in fact be part of the conversation, especially behind closed doors between him and keir starmer?

>> yeah, well, definitely it will be because i think while the europeans are going to be prepared to put forces on the ground, maybe help with air defense, do a variety of things to help assure ukraine's future security. they're also going to want to have u.s. backup if something goes terribly wrong. if russia attacks the european forces. they want to know that the u.s. is going to be there and ready to help out. and this is something where trump, i think, is probably prepared to say yes in a standoffish back up role, but he wants to know what the europeans are putting on the table first. >> i only have time for a quick yes or no. you say that the president has preferred to say yes in a standoffish way. is that something that he would say yes to in terms of putting in a signed agreement? do you think? >> no. i think it's going to be an oral agreement. i think he's looking for a cease fire, and then he's looking for an agreement with russia on ending the war. that i think is unlikely. but then i think with the european forces, he's looking for them to take the lead and we will commit to that. we will have backup if needed. >> kurt volker, appreciate your insight. thank you.

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signaling it is full steam ahead on tariffs. that's despite these growing concerns about a possible slowdown in the economy and how these import taxes would lift prices for consumers. so the president came out and said in this truth social post this morning that, yes, he's going to impose on tuesday 25% tariffs on mexico and on canada and double the tariffs on china to 20%. now keep in mind these are three of the biggest trading partners in the united states. so this is a very significant threat here from the president. and there's been a lot of confusion just in the last 24 hours about where things stand on tariffs. because initially during the cabinet meeting yesterday, the president seemed to suggest that maybe tariffs would get held until april. now he is signaling that's not the case, that this is going to happen as soon as tuesday. and there's been a lot of confusion here for investors for business

owners. right. they're just trying to make sense of it all because it seems like every day almost there's a new tariff that is floated. there's another one that's set in motion. sometimes they get dialed up, they get dialed back, they get canceled at the last moment. it's just chaos for people to try to navigate. now for consumers, of course, the big concern is what does this do to prices? because again, these are import taxes. they're paid by u.s. firms. and those u.s. firms often pass along the cost to consumers. and remember, we get a lot of food from mexico, including tomatoes and avocado. we import lumber and other materials from canada from both of those countries. there's a lot of autos and auto parts that come into the united states. there's estimates that the cost of a typical car could go up by thousands of dollars because of these tariffs. and look, this is starting to weigh on the minds of consumers. we learned earlier this week that consumer confidence plunged in february by the most in three and a half years. the conference board, which put out that

survey, they blamed, uh, one of the issues here is tariffs. and consumers are bracing for higher prices. they're now anticipating a 6% increase in prices over the next 12 months. that's a big acceleration from january. the conference board said one factor here is egg prices, and that's largely due to the bird flu. but the other, of course, is tariffs. and just one last point here, erica. we've got to remember that these tariffs they don't kick in until they do. and we know the president likes to use tariffs as a negotiating tool. right a way to get leverage over other countries. and so we need to watch closely to see whether or not these tariffs actually take effect or if they get pulled back at the last moment erica. >> it'll be it'll be interesting to see, i have to say, also fascinating. matt, i got a flier from a local car dealership in the mail last week touting its pre tariff inventory. so interesting to see how businesses are already picking up on that. appreciate it matt. thank you. thanks. after passing a competing budget plans, house and senate republicans now face the

challenge, of course, of getting president trump's agenda across the finish line and the question of whether they pursue one big bill or break it up. cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill. manu, how are those negotiations going this morning? >> well, they're just starting, eric. in fact, this is going to be a complicated and messy negotiation. remember, there are lots of steps here in this process. the house and the senate have passed separate budget resolutions. there's a blueprint that lays out the parameters of what they want to do legislatively. then they have to reconcile that and get to one budget blueprint. and then after they agree on that, it's going to pass both chambers, and then they have to draft the legislative text. so we're months away from getting to that. but this initial step of sorting out the differences is going to be incredibly complicated, because the house is pushing a much more expansive plan. they want a sweeping overhaul of the tax code, a two year increase in the national debt limit, hundreds of billions of dollars in spending on issues about national defense, border security and the like, and about

1.2 $1.5 trillion in spending cuts. whereas the senate plan doesn't deal with those spending cuts, doesn't deal with the debt limit, doesn't deal with overhauling the tax code, but deals with border security, defense measures as well as energy production. now, that is the key question. how will the two sides reconcile it? and talking to members, republicans on the house side are warning the senators not to make too many changes to their plan, while senate republicans are saying there needs to be ample changes for them to support the house gop plan. if they're not going to just adopt the house budget. >> well, there will be a logjam. that's where trump, president trump will come in. >> and a lot of them have concerns about the spending cuts that are. >> in there. well, if they get rid of them, then the bill is going to be dead on arrival, at least on my on my watch over here. >> i'm not going to vote for medicaid cuts. but anything that slashes into benefits for people who are working, i'm not going to be for it. i think that's probably true, a lot of my colleagues, but ultimately i can only speak for myself. >> but the house plan go too far. the house plan go too far. >> well, it's just a framework, but, um, you know, it'll it'll need to be changed. >> at $20 trillion to the debt over the next ten years. so it's that's their estimation

under rosy assumptions. it's probably going to double the debt in the next ten years. >> and that last comment came from the one republican who voted against this budget plan. that's thomas massie, who is pushing back against the notion of president trump and others that say that this could lead to ultimately lead to a balanced budget. so you can see the competing views. they're going to have to get on the same page, and they're employing this process to erica, because they want to try to pass this along straight party lines in the united states senate and the budget process, they can avoid a republican, democratic led filibuster by doing that, which is why this complex process needs to be sorted out among the narrowest of majorities in order to pass the sweeping agenda. a long way to go, as they have a lot of major issues to iron out in the coming weeks. >> certainly, manu, appreciate it. thank you. also joining me, republican congressman dan user of pennsylvania, who is also on the financial services committee and a member of the house doge caucus. sir, good to have you with us this morning. i know you have heard the cuts. i've seen you responding to some of them

on twitter. concerns about steep cuts to medicaid, other entitlement programs. speaker johnson spoke with cnn last night. here's what he had to say. >> the president said over and over and over, we're not going to touch social security, medicare, medicare or medicaid. we've made the same commitment. now, that said, what we are going to do is go into those programs and carve out the fraud, waste and abuse and find efficiencies. >> sir, can you confirm that for the millions of americans who do rely on these programs, they will see no change to their benefits? >> yes, they will see no change to their benefits. in fact, by saving medicaid, by rooting out the waste, abuse and fraud which you've heard, but also those who are ineligible, we will have more allocation to those who who are truly in need of medicaid. and who knows, maybe we could even increase the medicaid fund. so as hospitals aren't losing money as they do on on their medicaid beneficiaries. look,

this is being done, president said. and president trump keeps his word when he says, read my lips. i stood on the house floor yesterday and i said to my my democrat colleagues, i said, from the not so cheap seats, there will be no cuts to medicaid or medicare, but we will root out ways to abuse and fraud. and those who are ineligible. i will just add this, eric. i have a bill on overpayment and recovery where we show that there's as much as $50 billion in medicaid and $50 billion in medicare. that is being overpaid and sent going out to those who are not eligible on an annual basis. >> so i'm not sure. but you may be referring to those 20. the 2024 gao report, which found there was about $100 billion in improper payments in 2023, almost evenly split between the two. it's important to note that the centers for medicare and medicaid services, noting there that not all those improper payments are fraud and abuse. that being said, you have $880 billion that needs to be cut. even if that $100 billion was all fraud and abuse, you're

still left with a very large number to cut. where else are you finding that? what is on the table? >> erica. it's everywhere. you looking at doge? what they've done the $55 billion. there's all that money that was going for charging stations. there was there was ev. uh, ev subsidies. uh, there's within there's energy. uh, mandates. uh, within energy and commerce. uh, there's. >> just to drill down. >> on 800. >> though some of the, some of the larger numbers, you know, you're throwing some out there, for example, chip, the new york times estimates that getting rid of chip would save $200 billion. is that on the table? >> not necessarily. but i will tell you that's that's excessive right. i mean that that bill should have been i worked on that bill. i thought we would be in very good shape at 50, $60 billion. next thing you know, it's at $154 billion. just what they did with t&e last last term as well. i was all i

helped get it to $950 billion. next thing you know it's at 1.4 trillion. look erica the bottom line is we have grown our government from $4.5 trillion in spending to 6.9 1.8 trillion in debt last year. and this year is going to be $2 trillion. and the taxes, we're not having any tax reductions. we're just continuing the tax levels that have have existed. and they're so important. that's what drives the economy. that's what increases wages. that's what makes companies invest in themselves. the bonus depreciation and the small business. every we have 34, 34 million small businesses out there will have about a 25% tax increase, a significant tax increase if we don't pass, uh, the jobs act and the tax cut, uh, from, from the trump administration. >> debt and deficit are a major concern for so many americans, for so many lawmakers, including yourself. the fact that the debt does stand at 36.5 trillion and growing, um, the cbo actually

estimates that extending those tax cuts is going to add to that. it's actually going to add 4.6 trillion to the deficit through 2035. so if you are serious about cutting into that debt, why not let those tax cuts expire? >> because i just stated by doing that you will cost jobs. you will diminish our economy, you will weaken our economy, will not be competitive on the world stage. and i'll add something about the cbo. they work in static models. they don't take into consideration the old, you know, familiar, but and operable laffer curve. okay. very often the lower the revenue, the tax levels, uh, you create more tax payers and that's the plan. and that worked last time where the tax reductions actually got to neutral. and then we had revenues like we never seen before. uh, towards the end of the trump administration. i mean, i mean like 8%, 9% growth. i'm the former revenue secretary for the commonwealth

of pennsylvania. those are huge gains. and that actually will occur, particularly if we have a balanced, um, global agreement, which the president will get with his reciprocal plan on tariffs. the whole world will become our customer, and we will be the manufacturing giant that we should be. >> as you noted, you believe keeping these tax cuts in place will lead to more spending. there are concerns, though, about spending, as we just heard from my colleague matt egan, there are concerns among consumers as prices continue to rise. the president this morning saying these 25% tariffs for mexico and canada will go into effect on tuesday. now saying he's going to double the tariffs on china. these do push up the cost of the goods that are bought every day. are you concerned at all about the impact of those tariffs. >> well i'm sure i'm watching it as is the white house. and they're looking at getting it right. so as it's a reciprocal situation, if those countries canada, mexico, china want to reduce their tariffs, as the

president said, we will in kind. but the thing about tariffs, you can be quite nimble about it. as you've seen, the president has postponed them. he's giving fair warning. um, he's trying to be very deliberate about it. but at the same time, following the america first agenda, where in those industries that are critical, they will experience an incentive to grow here in the u.s., as opposed to growing in china and elsewhere. uh, we have an unfair trade situation that exists today. we do want free trade, but it's got to be fair and reciprocal. and frankly, that's the direction we're going. and we didn't see, uh, inflation occur under the last trump administration, even though these tariffs were initiated. so we're not expecting it now. now if it does occur, we can pull it back. >> congressman dan missouri, appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> all right. thank you eric. >> still ahead here how a growing number of black consumers are hoping to make corporate america feel their disappointment as more companies

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the bottom line. eva. >> erika. >> we have spoken to dozens of people involved in this, and it is remarkable to see the extent to which black consumers in this country are owning their buying power. reverend jamal bryant out of georgia, he is one of many faith leaders calling for a boycott, urging black americans to stop shopping at target and to sell their stock in the retailer for lent, a 40 day period from march 5th to april 17th. now, target's brand identity has been this association with championing diversity. so it is no small issue to see them out of all places retreat from the stated values and not put up much of a public fight against the conservative war on diversity, equity and inclusion. why target, you may wonder? take a listen to the reasoning here. >> walmart has rolled back their dei. so has lowe's and mcdonald's and amazon in some respects. why target? target?

because they are a publicly. traded company. we were able to find the demographic spending. trends of target $12 million a day. seeing what that means. and for that 40 day window we're going to be able to track what was the spending lapse. how did we have an economic impact? target is the first. it is not the only. >> the pastor in conversation there with our colleague victor blackwell. so essentially other corporations are being put on notice there beginning with target, but they aren't ending with them. this is a fight against corporate america more broadly. and i'll end with this. in the wake of george floyd's death in 2020, the retailer made certain commitments like expanding black employee representation by 20%. it is these commitments advocates are pushing for the brand to restore. the company is not responding to the boycott directly, only saying they will continue to help all guests feel seen and celebrated. erica.

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former epa leaders, christine todd whitman and william k riley, responded to donald trump's threat, warning americans they will miss the epa when it's gone. it's good to have you with us. i do want to point out here that a white house spokesman later clarified the president's comments, saying that he meant to say 65% of the epa's budget would be cut, not the staff. that being said, were 65% of the budget to be cut. what would that mean? practically? >> well, it would mean that the agency would sincerely be handcuffed. um, the agency itself right now is is staffed by very capable people. we don't want to lose that staff. but but honestly, this is all about how we protect our health and our safety, how we protect our natural resources. this is not a percentage game. this is an opportunity to recognize that people in this country have had epa to protect their health and well-being since 1970 with the clean air act and the clean

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we're not we don't make those laws up. we implement them. so it's all about how we work with cities and towns that get 40% of the money goes to that goes to epa, is spent in cities and towns. so reach out, sit down with the program staff at epa, look at opportunities to downscale where those efforts are not as important as others. i'm not suggesting that epa is perfect, but what i am suggesting is that there needs to be a thoughtful process to recognize what is the the epa, what is our task to do, and how do we deliver that task in the most cost effective way. and you'll only do that if you do outreach to the staff. you look at where those opportunities are, and you talk to cities and states who epa partners with every single day. if you can do that, there will be ways in which i'm sure cost savings will be found. but the important thing is make sure that that

doesn't put people at increased risk. that's what we need to protect. >> you mentioned what what is the epa? so i know you also wrote in that op ed. it's an agency that sets standards and regulations according to science and the laws, as you noted, and funding approved by congress, the washington post is reporting that administrator zeldin wants donald trump to rescind a 2009 scientific finding that concluded greenhouse gases are, in fact, a threat to public health and welfare. as you well know, that finding is the foundation for a number of climate regulations in this country. is it possible to have an epa that is not science based? >> no. um, clearly, epa is a science based agency. that's how we do our work. the endangerment finding, um, clearly went all the way to the supreme court and was seen to be a solid understanding that that we need to address the issue of climate change, because it does

endanger all of us. so if we have to go through that legal process one more time, i guess we will. but it seems absolutely ridiculous not to recognize that climate is a risk to all of us. and part of the efforts that epa has been doing is to make sure that, again, we work across our country and internationally to be able to address this challenge in a way that will protect people and also save considerable amount of money. look, epa has to look at being the most cost effective agency it can, because that's how it operates. we don't have exorbitant amounts of money. what we have is expertise. what we have is science, and what we have are laws we need to implement. and every step of the way. that's what epa does to save as much money as they can. but to get the job done well in quickly and safely. >> former epa administrator gina mccarthy, really appreciate you joining us this morning. thank

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>> yeah, without a doubt. but keep in mind that negotiations over phase two of this cease fire agreement were supposed to start on day 16 of this cease fire. we are now reaching the conclusion of phase one, which is day 42 this coming saturday. and still, there really have been no substantive negotiations. the israeli prime minister today agreeing to send a delegation to cairo, albeit one that does not include the head of israel's negotiating team. ron dermer, the minister of strategic affairs. but three israeli officials, including the prime minister's coordinator for hostage affairs, gal hirsch, the deputy head of the shin bet, and ophir, a foreign policy advisor to the prime minister, will be heading to cairo. what they may be looking to do, though, is not necessarily reach an agreement over phase two of this cease fire. they may be looking to extend phase one to see how many more hostages they can get out of gaza without agreeing to an end of the war, without agreeing

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see whether or not any progress is born out of these upcoming talks happening in cairo. >> erica i'm jeremy i also do want to ask you about this this breaking news. local police saying they are now investigating a car ramming attack as a six people being sent to the hospital. what more do we know about what happened there? >> yeah, that toll has actually now risen to ten people being taken to the hospital as a result of this car ramming attack that happened in central israel, in the town of pardes hanna-karkur, in the northern part of central israel. of those ten people taken to hospital, two are in serious condition. one is in critical condition after the driver of a car rammed into pedestrians who were waiting at a bus stop. it appears that that driver then attempted to flee the scene. according to multiple reports, but police say that they were able to stop this vehicle and that they, quote, neutralized the suspect. that typically means that israeli police killed

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