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ukraine. but we're start here in washington at the white house. jeff zeleny is there for us. jeff, we are starting to get some notes from inside the meeting. give us a sense of what is happening and more importantly, your reporting from your sources surrounding this meeting. >> dana, the central question hanging over this extraordinary meeting with the two presidents is what type of guarantee, if any, security guarantee, will the united states extend to ukraine? in short, will the u.s. abandon ukraine? and we're hearing the questions now coming to the leaders inside the oval office. we'll see them later. but zelenskyy has just said a few moments ago that he believes that trump is on our side. so that signals the posture going into this meeting that both leaders obviously would like to make a deal, obviously for very different reasons. but that has been a central question here, as these two men are meeting for the first time since september. it was last september in trump tower when trump was a candidate

for president again, that zelenskyy met with him. at that point. um, the discussion was about the future of security guarantees, but now it is so much different because trump has reset the relations with russia. he has opened the door to discussions with vladimir putin in this meeting just a few moments ago, we're told, according to reporters in the room, that zelenskyy described the russian leader as a terrorist. of course, that is something we have not heard donald trump say at all. in fact, just yesterday, he says, i trust him to make a deal. so those are the outlines of this conversation here. but there is no doubt that zelenskyy wants to leave this meeting with some type of assurances and reassurances that the u.s. will be on their side. it's it's notable, dana, that just right before he came to the white house, he met with a bipartisan group of senators, uh, but it was a dwindling number of republicans at the table. and that underscores how the foreign policy, both here in the u.s.

and indeed, the posture to the world has changed remarkably in this new trump era. >> all right. stand by. jeff. nick, i want to go to you. can you give us a sense of what is happening on the ground in ukraine right now? three years in to this war. >> yeah, i mean, it's a horrific picture for ukraine, to be honest, because this key plank of their military and financial support, the united states, when you saw zelenskyy shaking hands with donald trump and entering the white house, convivial, certainly. and apparently a reference towards the black t-shirt that we've seen zelenskyy wearing for some time from the president of the united states. but it just reminded me of how common that image was in the past when president biden was in office. and it seemed to sort of jar with the rarity and the import of this particular moment. just one thing people should remember since president donald trump called zelenskyy falsely a dictator, a comment that he said yesterday he can't believe he would have said 47 ukrainians have lost their lives

in that ten day period from russian strikes. that's just a civilians hit by the drones. that last night came in 200 number. most nights come in over 100 numbers from russia attacking infrastructure and civilian targets across ukraine, 222 were injured in that ten day period. that's putting aside the hundreds of troops that we know die daily on the front lines from both sides, and horrific trench warfare. remnants of world war one, but one that is pursued often through swarms of drones that are now causing the armor traditionally used in war, like that on land between land armies to be less relevant and have utterly transformed the war for air into something frankly barbaric and horrifying that's often visible through the cameras of these drones in great intimate and gory detail. so the war here is something where russia is making incremental but important strategic advances, leaving many wondering quite why moscow would seek a deal right now. and it's also one where ukraine is increasingly in doubt about its military supplies.

most think it's got everything okay until the end of this year, the year after significantly in doubt. and there's a morale question, a recruitment question that comes with the idea of the united states no longer really having ukraine's backs in the way that it did under president biden. that's why this meeting is so key, because, yes, ukraine wants security guarantees, but it's heard again and again from trump that it won't get into nato. that was always pretty far fetched, and it won't have u.s. troops on the ground. that was also nearly never going to happen in a meaningful public fashion. what it instead seems to seek is some sort of european security force that might police a peace here, a just peace, and they need a u.s. backstop for that. trump wasn't explicit yesterday when he met starmer, the u.k. prime minister, on that. but he said they would have the british backs. and so this is a key moment, because really, the question zelenskyy needs answering from trump is, well, there's two really. firstly, do you like me? can we forge up interpersonal relationship here? and are you

willing to continue u.s. aid in the way that the biden administration did? and just what jeff was saying there? it sounds like zelenskyy is coming really strong out of the gates here, talking about putin as a terrorist. he's appealing to an american audience there to get them on his side, talking about what russia has really done to this big forum. and that's going to be an interesting tone to strike. dana. >> yeah. and so, nick, jeff, i'm going to go back to you. and nick talked a lot about the the battlefield and the realities there. and as you were talking, nick, i should say that you were talking about the trench warfare like world war i. we had video of of just this week of, of just that. and i was thinking exactly what you said. it really is reminiscent of, of the battlefields that we all read about and see pictures of in world war one. it is still going on. but meanwhile, jeff, what i want to ask you about is this rare minerals deal because the economics of this is clearly where donald trump's advisers, both inside the white house on

capitol hill, think that they have the best shot at forging that relationship between him and vladimir zelenskyy. so the question is whether or not the deal is ready and it will be signed today. >> dana, it is extraordinary the degree to which the details do not seem to be complete, certainly not shared with us, which of course is not unusual, but even behind the scenes talking to advisers, there is some trepidation about saying exactly what they know to be in the deal. we know what's not in the deal. we know that the u.s. has made some concessions, and that is basically to limit the amount of money of a revenue coming up that they would take from ukraine. but we did just hear the president, according to reporters in the room, say he hopes that there will be a deal signed today. he says there will be a deal signed after they meet separately and then have a press conference later today. so the question is what is in that deal? but that is just one part of this negotiation. the

president also saying this would be a great agreement if we can get the war to be stopped. and that is a central question here. if the war will stop, as nick was just reporting, looking at the images of what's happening day by day by day, the intelligence assessments still coming here to the white house. russia has not stopped. so that is the question. but as we're seeing reports coming in from the oval, it is something that the president says, i want to get it solved. and, dana, that underlies all of this. donald trump wants to make a deal. >> he said he was going to end the war when he got into office. and that is definitely what he's trying to do here. although forget about the details of the rare minerals economic deal, the question is very still up in the air how he will stop the bloodshed that nick was just reporting on. okay, both of you, please stand by as we wait to actually hear from president trump and zelenskyy when we see that tape. when it comes as we wait for

that here at the table, as susan glasser of the new yorker, cnn's alex marquardt, cnn's priscilla alvarez, and cnn's isaac bob baer. hello, everybody. um, just as we, uh, sort of get a try to get a sense of what's happening in the room. i got a note from one of the senators in the big bipartisan meeting that they had. although jeff was right, there were fewer republicans there than there has been in the past, saying that there was an upbeat discussion about the future of the u.s. ukraine relationship built on investment, security and reconstruction. also noted that the ukrainian rada recently passed a resolution supporting zelenskyy's legitimacy and reaffirming they won't hold elections until a sustainable peace is secured, and this is a reference to what last week when donald trump called zelenskyy a dictator, suggested that there should be elections soon, which of course, yesterday he claimed that he didn't remember saying that, which he said in multiple,

uh, multiple platforms. >> yeah. and, you know, obviously the ukrainian argument against that is that there's martial law in ukraine because there's a war and it's very difficult to carry out elections when you have so many people who have fled the country and you have so many people on the front lines. and as nick was just saying, you have cities all across the country that are being bombarded every night. what we're going to see today, i think, is a much softer stance from both men. i mean, we saw trump walk back the dictator comment yesterday, um, a couple of weeks ago, zelenskyy came out essentially swinging in munich security conference saying we can't count on america anymore. but he is here expressly to get that american support. um, he is giving president trump a win. trump gets to walk away saying, we got this deal that's going to give us these billions and billions of dollars back of of the that we spent on, on security aid, how that's going to happen. we don't know. uh, zelenskyy himself gets a win in that. he gets to come here and have this meeting with president trump before president putin gets his own meeting. so it's going to be a lot of fanfare, a

lot of positive comments about this deal that is on the table, which, by the way, is extremely vague. um, but the backdrop of all this, dana, is this question, that question about security guarantees. will zelenskyy be able to build on what president macron and prime minister starmer did earlier this week and get. some kind of assurances from president trump that the u.s. will not abandon ukraine? and if there is a peace deal, what that u.s. military backstop, as the brits have been calling it, would look like? >> yeah. i mean, the problem is i think we need to pull back and say, donald trump holding up ukraine for part of its national wealth. whether it's, you know, something that can be actionable or not in the in the foreseeable future doesn't actually get the world one step closer to peace between russia and ukraine right now. what's so remarkable to people who have been closely observing this conflict, and what russia is doing, is that we're negotiating with our own partner and ally. and, you know, we're not asking any concessions of russia. not only

that, but donald trump, of course, has conceded on the front end many of the things that someone else might have held out for negotiation with russia, even without peace talks. donald trump has said a major concession i will never support ukraine entering nato. for example, he has ruled out american troops. he has been extremely skeptical. and i think we all should be very skeptical that there will be any additional u.s. military assistance to ukraine. so again, i would just point out that forcing ukraine to sign over some portion of its mineral rights to the united states actually is not getting us any bit closer to any kind of a peace deal with russia. and you have the united states and its president amplifying russian talking points about the war, including these lies about zelenskyy as unelected dictator. yeah, that was why i really wanted to kind of separate what nick paton walsh was talking about with regard to the military and this economic deal. let's just stay on the economic deal, though, for a second,

noting the the backdrop, if you will, that you are pointing out that it's not, um, really related to whether or not the war will end. ukraine's key raw materials. what are we talking about here when we say, um, the the raw mineral deal, titanium could be used for aerospace construction. lithium could be used for battery ceramics, glass, graphite, steel production, and would help with the automotive industry. nick nickel and cobalt. electric vehicle production, et cetera. so that's what it could be used for. the big question, as you alluded to, susan, is whether or not these raw materials, rare earth materials are even there. yeah. and if they are there, how accessible they are. >> i mean, there are indications they have some of this stuff and we have a lot of this stuff. and in fact, we have vast deposits of this and we don't mind it ourselves. we get it from elsewhere. um, there are a lot

of questions about what they actually have a lot of these maps that we're seeing, um, show deposits all across the country are based on very outdated surveys, surveys that were done in the soviet era. so we don't know what is there. we're talking about rare earths. we've heard president trump talking about rare earths quite a bit. the u.s. geological survey says that there are zero proven reserves, zero proven reserves of rare earth minerals. there are all kinds of what are called critical minerals. you just listed a bunch of them. ukraine does have large deposits of these minerals, but they pale in comparison to other countries. and we get them from other countries. and then, dana, some of the most significant or potential deposits are in the eastern part of the country, where so much of this war is being fought, whether it's contested areas where there are all kinds of unexploded ordnance or in the russian occupied areas. so, in the words of a lot of a number of biden administration officials who i spoke with, who, by the way, were offered this deal

themselves, it's hugely impractical. it takes years, decades, billions of dollars to extract this stuff. and that's, that's that's for, for starters, one biden administration official said that that kind of attitude, this approach is, in fact, colonial. >> well, yeah, there's there is that but i think there's also. we're going to take a break and talk to the two of you about the reality here, which is that it's political. absolutely. this is this is all about donald trump being able to tell the world and to tell his base, i got something out of ukraine. whether or not they'll be able to access this. these minerals is a big question. coming up, what is donald trump saying to vladimir zelenskyy in the oval office as we speak? that video is going to be coming out soon, so don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. >> twitter. that's a great. >> name. >> we invented. >> a whole. >> new thing. >> no one could possibly have understood where it was going. >> twitter. breaking the bird

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the end goal of making sure that he saves his own country in ukraine. so, for example, he said, this is a report we're getting from in the room that he thinks donald trump is on, on our side. as they began their summit. >> i mean, this is the game with donald trump that all the. >> world leaders. >> are in the middle of is trying to, uh, say nice things to him or things that make him feel good so that he will act nicely toward them. it is more of a please the emperor kind of approach than we have seen with past presidents. and donald trump clearly likes that. that's the way it goes. but what this is ultimately, we talk about whether there are the rare earth minerals. it's not about an alliance. this is about what can you do for me? what's in it for us politically? that is where donald trump is. it's also, i think importantly, where a number of americans are millions of americans who, whether they're on the right or the left, who have said, where is the money going to? why don't we have money for schools? why don't we have money

for groceries right now? the reality of how that all intersects is a little bit more complicated, but trump is tapping into that in addition to the fact that he just likes personally the way that it is. world leaders, you see it percolating up. francois hollande, the former president of france, said today that america, americans may be europe's friends, but we're not exactly allies anymore. i was last week at the national governors association meeting, and doug ford, who may be the next prime minister of canada, was there. and he said, we have no problem with americans, but one person here is what we're dealing with. that's the way this is now. >> i want to go back to jeff zeleny. jeff, you've got some reporting on what's happening inside the oval office. >> we do. and as this meeting, uh, approaches about an hour, it according to reports in the room, there are some tense exchanges now with vice president jd vance and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. now, just to explain how we're getting this, this is a closed event where the white house press pool is in there. today

it's a cnn time in the rotation. so hearing from our colleagues and other reporters in the room, we are learning about this tense exchange with vice president jd vance and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy all about democracy. i'll read you one line here. it says president zelenskyy interrupts vice president vance and said, we signed a deal with putin. he did not keep it. what kind of democracy are you talking about? the vice president responds at some point that this is a disrespectful. there was a back and forth, we're told, between zelenskyy and vice president vance and trump. at what point president trump interjects and says, do not tell us what we're going to feel, and goes on to say that you're not in a good position talking to zelenskyy. so as we're sort of taking all of this in real time, we will of course see all of it play out. but dana, just a flavor of the exchanges going on in here. this is not a photo op. this is the crux of the meeting playing out right here in real time between zelenskyy, trump and vance and

vance, perhaps more than anyone, signifies the vast change, at least of domestic foreign policy in the u.s. that at the beginning of this war there was bipartisan agreement to help ukraine to send aid to ukraine. that is no longer the case. of course, he represented ohio in the senate. many ukrainian citizens there as well. everything has changed, politically speaking. but as we are seeing these reports, some tense exchanges, we do not know what that will mean to the ultimate deal today. perhaps nothing, but we also, since we talked to you last, president trump said, i'm not aligned with putin. i'm aligned with the u.s. and what's good for the world. president trump also saying that he has spoken with vladimir putin several times. so once we get a fuller context of this, we will let you know. but just a flavor of what is happening inside the oval office at this hour. >> yeah. wow. we were sitting here talking about how zelenskyy is, uh, is trying to play donald

trump the way that he believes that will be the most helpful to the existential threat that is russia to ukraine. and then, you know, in a matter of seconds, things change in that meeting. thank you. jeff, i want to go to nick paton walsh. uh, back in ukraine to react to what you just heard from jeff. and as you do, i just want to add to what jeff said. i'm looking at one of the pool reports. jeff explained that these are representatives of the u.s. press pool inside the oval office. trump said to zelenskyy, you don't have the cards. >> yeah, he said that before. and he also said in the same interview that he was sick of it. and so this is obviously a meeting that hasn't gone with the sense of bonhomie that emmanuel macron was able to bring, or the charm of keir starmer. and this is one of two ways, you know, we've heard previous observers of president

trump say that he respects strength, that if he sees somebody, fears him, then he feels he might be able to exploit that or that that is something which could potentially lead him to feel the person can be given a less than good deal, but does sound like there's elements of not acrimony, but some of the bad blood we've seen over the past week or ten days maybe seeping in to this conversation, um, that could potentially lead to a later robust exchange and respect for the ukrainian leader's position. um, but it does also sound like there's the possibility that this may be opening the wounds of the past ten days or week ago. we have to get a more contextual readout of all of this, but certainly from some of the notes that jeff was describing there, if indeed zelenskyy has called putin a terrorist, he's clearly trying to use some of the harshest language he can about the kremlin head that may leave trump uncomfortable, who is reticent to speak, uh, in a negative way about the russian

president. and it may also be, too, that ukrainian president is playing to an audience here outside of that particular room, to try and put trump in a position where he's obliged to continue ukrainian support. but you have to remember, too, we've seen how the whiplash of the past week can change things, and we need more detail about what's happening in the room. but it may not be going as smoothly, perhaps, as the european leaders who tried to pave the road to this moment had hoped. >> and nick, the pool was just escorted out of the oval office, which means we will get tape soon. one of the other things that we're told donald trump said said when asked, what if putin breaks the deal? what, if anything, what if a bomb drops on your head? so, uh, it doesn't sound like it was warm and fuzzy the whole time, that is for sure. but we are going to be able to hear all of this for ourselves. we're going to sneak in a quick break as we wait for this tape to come back. don't go anywhere.

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not the moment that zelenskyy or any of the european leaders had hoped for with this meeting. what happened? >> dana. >> dana. >> that. >> picture is not even the half of it. what just happened in the oval. office is nothing short of remarkable. it began with questions about a ceasefire in ukraine and security guarantees, and what the united states would be willing to do. and it ended with an outright shouting match between president zelenskyy, president trump and vice president jd vance. it was incredibly heated, and by the end of it, president trump was absolutely fuming, saying he wasn't quite sure how these negotiations were going to look going forward. vice president vance was accusing president zelenskyy of never saying thank you for the united states aid that has gone to ukraine, saying that he had not said thank you once during that meeting that they were holding president zelenskyy pushed back, was telling vance that he should come to ukraine and come and visit. and then president trump himself got involved as well. and i just want to read you some of the quotes, because everyone in the room was silent. no one was asking questions, listening as the three of them went back and forth where president trump was saying it was going to be

very tough to negotiate going forward. he said that putin may have broken deals with president obama and president bush, but that he had not broken any deals with president trump. and that is why trump was saying that he was confident that if they do come to a cease fire, that russia will not violate it. and trump said at one point, and i'm quoting now from my notes that i took to zelenskyy, i have empowered you to be a tough guy. you either make a deal or we are out. he said, you don't have the cards. it was nothing short of just remarkable, dana, to see them going back and forth, yelling at each other inside the oval office in a moment that that i'm not sure i've ever witnessed in my eight years covering the white house, where this essentially going into this, they were hoping that they could find some agreement. obviously, tensions had been high between them. after trump said that zelenskyy was a dictator without borders after zelenskyy accused him of living in a disinformation bubble after he was suggesting that it was ukraine that started this war. >> caitlin, i do want to ask about the jd vance of it all. and it sounds from your

reporting and from the notes that we're seeing from others in the pool, that it was. relatively normal, if you will, until jd vance got in there. and first of all, tell me if that is accurate because you were there. and if so, what you make of that, considering the fact that jd vance, um, you know, since he was elected to the u.s. senate, has been very clear that he does not believe that the u.s. needs to be as involved as it is in ukraine. >> yeah. here's how it happened. and you'll watch all of this play out and be able to to see it for yourself. but vice president vance was sitting there the whole time. obviously, typically the interactions are just between the world leaders and the heads of state. but but as president zelenskyy kept also interjecting to answer questions at point, at one point, he was answering my question about security guarantees from the u.s. trump was saying he doesn't feel that that's important to get to an agreement. zelenskyy said he did. and then at one point, trump was saying that he trusted putin, and zelenskyy was kind of shaking his head that he wouldn't violate an agreement. and zelenskyy pointed out that

putin had gone into crimea and illegally annexed it in 2014. and that was still something that happened when trump was in office. the last time it happened under obama, to be clear. but nothing changed. it wasn't given back to ukraine when when trump was in office in his first term. that's where vice president vance asked to speak up. and essentially he was saying that for four years that president biden talked tough about president putin. and it did not change the outcome of this war. russia still invaded and obviously never withdrew its troops. and he was arguing that trump can make a difference, and that trump's tactic that he's taking where he's not speaking critically of putin is one that they believe that will work. and that is where then president zelenskyy started getting involved. and the two of them were initially just going back and forth as president trump was kind of listening to it. it's a remarkable moment, and it raises real questions about what this meeting behind the scenes is going to achieve. >> all right, caitlin, i'm being told that we do have the tape and we're waiting for it to start. so i'm going to keep talking until we get it. but you're seeing on your screen an

image that, as caitlin described, who was in the oval office, was really intense. let's listen. >> to what. >> what's your. >> message for them? >> well, if i didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have a deal. you want me to say, uh, really terrible things about putin and then say, hi, vladimir. how are we doing on the deal? it doesn't work that way. i'm not aligned with putin. i'm not aligned with anybody. i'm aligned with the united states of america. and for the good of the world. i'm aligned with the world. and i want to get this thing over with. you see the hatred he's got for putin. it's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate. he's got tremendous hatred and i understand that. but i can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with, you know, him either. so it's not a question of alignment. i have to i'm aligned with the world. i want to get the thing set. i'm aligned with europe. i want to see if we can get this thing

done. you want me to be tough? i can be tougher than any human being you've ever seen. i'd be so tough. but you're never going to get a deal that way. so that's the way it goes. all right, one more question. >> yeah, please. >> i will respond to this. so look, for four years in the united states of america, we had a president. who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about vladimir putin. >> and then putin invaded ukraine and. destroyed a significant chunk of the country. >> the path to peace and the path to prosperity. >> is maybe engaging in diplomacy. we tried. >> the pathway of joe. >> biden, of thumping our. chest and pretending. >> that the president of the united states words. >> mattered more than the president. >> of the united states is actions. >> what makes. america a good country? is america engaging in diplomacy. that's what president trump is doing. >> can i ask. >> you? sure. yeah. yeah. >> okay. >> so he. occupied it. >> uh, our. >> parts, big parts of ukraine.

>> part of. >> east and crimea. >> so he occupied. >> it on 2014. >> so. >> during a. >> lot of years, i'm. >> not speaking. >> about just biden. but those times. was obama, then president obama, then president trump, then president biden, now the president trump. and god bless. now president trump will stop him. but during 2014, nobody stopped him. he just occupied and. >> took he. >> killed people. you know what the contract 2015. >> 2014. >> 2014., 2014. >> yeah. >> so he was not here. yeah. >> but exactly right. >> yes. >> but during. >> 2014 till 2022. you know what the situation the same that people are being dying on the contact line. nobody stopped him. you know that we had conversations with. him a lot of. conversations. bilateral conversation. and we signed with him. me like a new president. in

2019, i signed with him the deal i signed with him. macron and merkel. we signed ceasefire, ceasefire. all of them told me that he will never go. we signed him. we gas contract. gas contract, yes. but after that he broken the ceasefire. he killed our people and he didn't exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. what kind of diplomacy? jd, you are speaking about? what what what what do you mean? >> i'm talking. >> about. >> the kind. >> of diplomacy that's going to end the. >> destruction. >> of your country. >> yes. >> mr. president, mr. president, with. >> respect. >> i think it's. >> disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media. >> right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. you should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. >> to ukraine, that you say what problems we have.

>> i have been to one. >> i have actually, i've actually watched. >> and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. mr. president, do you disagree that. >> you've had. >> problems bringing people into your military? and do you think that it's respectful to come to the oval office of the united states of america and attack the administration that is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of your country? >> a lot of a lot of questions. let's start from the beginning. >> sure. >> first of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. but you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future. god bless you. god bless you. god bless you. you don't tell us what we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel. i'm not telling you because you're in no position to dictate that. remember this. you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. we're going to feel very good. we're going to feel very good and very strong. will feel influenced. you're right now not in a very good position.

you've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. and he happens to be right about from the very beginning of the war. not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards. cards right now you don't. you're playing cards. you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war iii. you're gambling with world war iii. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country that's back to you. far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you. >> said. >> thank. >> you once this. >> entire meeting? no. in this entire meeting, have. >> you said thank you? >> you went to pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in october. offer some words of appreciation for the united states of america and the president, who is trying to save your country. >> please. you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war, you are not speaking loudly. he's not speaking loudly. your country is in big

trouble. wait a minute. no, no, you've done a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. i know you're not winning. you're not winning this. you have a good chance of coming out, okay? because of us president, we are staying in our country, staying strong. from the very beginning of the war, we've been alone, and we are thankful. i said thanks. you haven't been in this cabinet. you haven't been in this. we gave you through the stupid president, $350 billion. we gave you military equipment. you and your men are brave. but they had to use our military. if you didn't have our military equipment, you invited me. you didn't have our military equipment. this war would have been over in two weeks. in three days. i heard it from putin in three days. this is something maybe less in two weeks. of course. yes. it's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this. i tell you, you. >> say thank you. >> i said, except. >> that there. >> except the american. >> except that there are disagreements. and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the american media when

you're wrong. we know that you're wrong. >> but you see, i think it's good for the american people to see what's going on. i think it's very important. that's why i kept this going so long. you have to be thankful you don't have the cards. you're buried there. your people are dying. you're running low on soldiers. you're running low on soldiers. it would be a good thing. and then you. then you tell us. i don't want a ceasefire. i don't want a ceasefire. i want to go, and i want this. i look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, i tell you, you take it. so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed. of course we want to stop the war. but you're saying you don't want to cease fire? i said to you, i want a cease fire. guarantees because you'll get a ceasefire faster than an agreement. where people about ceasefire, what they think there wasn't with me for you. what? that wasn't with me. that was with a guy named biden who was not a smart person. that was your. that was with obama. it was your president. excuse me? that was with obama, who gave you sheets and i gave you javelins. yes. i

gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. obama gave you sheets. in fact, the statement is obama gave sheets and trump gave javelins. you got to be more thankful because let me tell you, you don't have the cards with us. you have the cards, but without us you don't have any cards. >> vice president. >> i'm sorry. >> here's a tough deal to make because the attitudes have to change. >> what if. >> russia breaks cease fire? what if russia breaks peace talks? what do you do then? i understand that it's a heated conversation, right? >> what are you saying? >> she's asking what if russia breaks the cease fire? >> what if they. what? if anything? what if a bomb drops on your head right now? okay, what if they broke it? i don't know, they broke it with biden because biden didn't respect him. they didn't respect obama. they respect me. let me tell you, putin went through a hell of a lot with me. he went through a phony witch hunt where

they used him and russia, russia, russia, russia. you ever hear of that deal? that was a phony. that was a phony. hunter biden, joe biden scam. hillary clinton, shifty adam schiff it was a democrat scam. and he had to go through that. and he did go through it. we didn't end up in a war. and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he had nothing to do with it. it came out of hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting. and then they said, oh, oh, the laptop from hell was made by russia. the 51 agents. the whole thing was a scam. and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this he might have broken deals with obama and bush, and he might have broken them with biden. he did. maybe. maybe he didn't. i don't know what happened, but he didn't break him with me. he wants to make a deal. i don't know if he can make a deal. the problem is,

i've empowered you to be a tough guy, and i don't think you'd be a tough guy without the united states. and your people are very brave. but you're either going to make a deal or we're out. and if we're out, you'll fight it out. i don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. but you don't have the cards. but once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. but you're not acting at all thankful. and that's not a nice thing. i'll be honest. that's not a nice thing. all right. i think we've seen enough. what do you think this is? this is going to be great television. i will say that. all right. we'll see what we can do about putting it together. thank. >> you. all right, guys, let's go. guys, guys. come on, let's go. >> we'll see. i don't know. >> all right guys, guys. come on. please. hey! let's go, let's go guys. come on, let's

move. >> please. >> please. >> thank you. >> for mick krever. >> wow. just wow. that was. that was something i want to go straight to our chief white house correspondent, kaitlan collins, who was in the oval office. as we heard before we saw the tape. and cnn chief international anchor christiane amanpour. caitlin, i want to start with. look at her face. i mean, christiane, hold, hold that thought for once, okay. actually, christiane, please take it away. >> never in the history of modern diplomacy, war, peace, whatever have i ever, ever, ever seen anything like it. we just have to hope that for the safety of the free world and for the american people, for the european people, for the ukrainian people, that these two presidents out of breath and try to iron out their differences.

this was an entirely personal go to with so many mistruths and miss facts. jd vance, who once said about ukraine, i don't really care what ever happens to ukraine. zelenskyy, who spent a long time. preparing for what? >> christiane. >> this. >> it's it's impossible to understand what happened next. the only person hear from this is president putin. and beyond that president. >> yes. christiane, your your audio is breaking up a little bit. what we definitely got the gist of what you were saying. and, caitlin, i do want to because there were a lot of things that were just not true. aside from just the tone and tenor and the monumental historic not in a good way historic event that we just saw in the in the oval office. caitlin, it really did seem to. devolve when the vice president

said to zelenskyy, um, we just want diplomacy. and what zelenskyy was trying to do was say, we had that we had a deal with russia. we had an agreement, the minsk agreement, and russia didn't abide by it. so i want some guarantees that that won't happen again. and then it devolved in a way that is is really, really. remarkable. uh, the screaming i mean, you have been with donald trump a lot. we have seen and heard about trump getting upset and losing his temper. i think this is probably the first time we have seen it like this on camera. we also should say, caitlin, that that let's just be clear. uh, i'm not saying that there wasn't genuine anger here, but he understands when the television cameras are there, as does jd vance. and we can't lose sight of the performance aspect of this.

>> it was incredibly genuine, though. i mean, jd vance said that this shouldn't be litigated in front of the press. trump said, actually, no, it should be. i'm glad that this is happening. and, you know, the way that this bill, just to give context of the 40 minutes that happened before, what you just watched, the most remarkable part of this interaction was there were moments where president zelenskyy would do what we saw the other european leaders do this week where they step in to to correct either on aid to ukraine or to talk about putin and the fact that he can't be trusted. at one point, zelenskyy called him a killer and saying that there should be no compromises with him. and the u.s. officials were sitting sitting there just kind of listening to this. and it was at that point, though, where where vice president vance stepped in. trump was silent at the beginning of that. and then trump also got involved. and then they were just essentially yelling at one another in this. and with trump, all of his diplomacy, we know, is personal. that's why the world leaders who have come here this week have tried to flatter him, to essentially get what they want when it comes to negotiating the end of this. and that was not what we just saw. the tack that zelenskyy took here he was, as

zelenskyy typically is, straightforward in his opinions. and what is the reality on the ground? it was kind of. chastising president vice president vance for not having come to ukraine. and at one point earlier, when trump was asked if he would go to ukraine, zelenskyy was saying that was what he was going to ask trump as well. he's been very he's emphasized a lot that he thinks these u.s. officials need to be there. but to give you a sense of how this negotiation is going right now, they are meeting behind closed doors. there's was to come out for a press conference any minute now, and that's where they're signing that minerals agreement that they've been touting as a big first step here. there are real questions about what this looks like going forward. because you heard what president trump said to me there at the end. i asked, can the two of you still go in a room and negotiate after what just happened? and he said, we'll see essentially. and dana, there was one moment where i looked around the room at the officials who were there. it's the top ukrainian advisors, the secretary of state to president trump, the treasury secretary, vice president vance, obviously, the ukrainian ambassador to the united states had her head buried in her hands as this shouting match was going on

between the three of them. >> yes, i saw you put that on social media. that is one of the many. there you go. we're putting it up on the screen now. that is the ukrainian ambassador, as you said. and she. i mean, talk about her worst nightmare. she was literally watching it unfold before her eyes in the oval office of the white house. david chalian, i want to go to you because, um, so much of the kind of pre game, if you will, the discussion before this event today was people who were trying to get these two officials to a yes and to a place where they could have a good working relationship and a good conversation. we're trying to explain to zelenskyy in particular, david, uh, this is the way to approach it. this is a way to kind of play it right for donald trump. i got a text from a senator who was in the

earlier meeting on capitol hill with the ukrainian president, and this senator said he did everything wrong. and not i'm not not to say, david, that what he said wasn't accurate, just in terms of the strategy. if you're trying to appeal to and appease donald trump. >> right? i mean, zelenskyy. >> was coming here obviously to give. >> trump a win, if you will, about an agreement here, something that trump had been talking about forever. and by the way, did you not see yesterday, dana, we talked about this, that donald trump sort of was changing his tone a little bit. i mean, it was only a week ago, ten days ago, he was calling zelenskyy a dictator and saying that ukraine was at fault for the start of the war. obviously, that doesn't comport with the facts. and then you heard a totally different tone from him yesterday. looking forward to this meeting at 11. it will be a good meeting because he was anticipating the win. and of course, what does zelenskyy get at that? i mean, he's hoping to get security guarantees. that obviously seems very much not a certain thing from the united states. but he

was really hoping to keep the trains on track here for, um, as as starmer, the uk prime minister was saying yesterday. any kind of deal with russia, that brings us to a resolution, one that actually sticks. and that's what zelenskyy was looking for here. and what you just saw here was so much pent up. personal frustration and narrative through the last 5 or 6 years of this relationship. now back and forth, you just saw it spill out publicly. and i think that the american people, uh, see here, obviously there will be a lot of people in donald trump's court who will love this moment of him getting combative and obviously jd vance. i think you saw sort of coaching moment the president to get to this place, right. like he was leading this conversation there. but there will be a whole swath of americans, some of whom have voted for donald trump, who will find this very uncomfortable. and that may include not publicly, but privately, as you know, some republican allies of the president on capitol hill.

>> yeah. nick paton walsh you are in ukraine. your reaction and what you're hearing there. >> thank you. >> i mean, there's palpable fear, i think, amongst many ukrainians watching that the the outcome, they were hoping from this meeting that they could get back to six weeks ago, where the u.s. was their partner. that seems to have dissolved, i can't say evaporated because we don't know the consequence of this. uh, but the acrimony there on display. i think it really began when we saw jd vance intervene in parts of that conversation. but, i mean, the way that donald trump mimicked, uh, president zelenskyy saying, i don't want a ceasefire. you could tell there's a lot of frustration built up amongst the american side there. uh, jd vance stepping in and saying, you're forcing conscripts to the front line. at times. there are recruitment here that is not entirely voluntary, but it's a extraordinary collapse there of what people had hoped would be the relationship getting back on

track. zelenskyy feeling the obligation to correct falsehoods, perhaps mistaking the friendly way in which emmanuel macron and keir starmer seem to do that at something he could replicate, perhaps misreading part of the room there. but you've got to understand, too, where this is for ukrainians, this is a matter of life and death, where they've lost friends. and so zelenskyy's emotions there, i think, portraying the frustration of a nation here, frankly, who don't like the way in which the conflict is misrepresented and answering back, but ultimately, the way they shout each other down. and he was it was said to zelenskyy that he was not being thankful enough. uh, that is exceptionally damaging for this relationship. and i think leaves many people here very concerned about where this war goes next. >> yeah. thank you so much. nick and susan glasser. david chalian said the hope was to keep the train on tracks. i mean, this was a head on collision. >> that's exactly right. >> it had the feeling at times of an ambush where you had the

vice president of the united states and the president of the united states both going after president zelenskyy at points in that confrontation. uh, in many ways, it seemed as though, uh, you know, vladimir putin's work was being done for him. and i just think the big picture here is to understand the shock and horror of ukraine, to see the country that was its biggest ally and supporter in the space of weeks, essentially change the foreign policy of the united states and of the west. and you had trump and vance amplifying russian lies about the invasion. you had donald trump in that confrontation, saying that, you know, he trusts vladimir putin. you had him, uh, saying lies about, uh, the russian intervention in our elections back in 2016. this is the level of grievance going forward. but what's happened in the last week, it's hard for us to process. i think the united

states. donald trump has switched sides in the war. and i think that is the backdrop for this confrontation that we just saw. and alex, they are popping the champagne in moscow. they've got their best vodka out and they're doing shots as we speak. i mean, no question. >> that's exactly the same thought that went through my head. and they are grinning from ear to ear. they look like the calmer, more mature partner right now. i mean, zelenskyy walked into a buzz saw. he knew that he was going to face a hostile president and vice president. clearly, um, and he clearly couldn't hold back when some of these statements were made and these untruths were put in front of him. it is just an extraordinary moment. we were going to be talking here about this deal. that was a win win for both sides. questions about the security guarantees. all this appears to be evaporating. it's just an extraordinary moment. >> well, we we do know that they finished this conversation and maybe they're still in the oval