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had to say about that meeting. there are new details this morning about pope francis's health with the vatican is sharing about the pope's condition after he had to be placed on a breathing machine on friday. >> an initial interrogation was conducted of mr. hackman's pacemaker. this revealed that his last event was recorded on february 17th, 2025. >> and this mysterious case of the death of gene hackman and his wife. we're getting some new details that hackman may have been dead for several days before it was found. what they discovered during a search of his home, and why they are there in the first place. and as thousands more federal workers are set to be laid off, sources tell cnn russia and china are now attempting to recruit disgruntled federal employees. we'll get into that. coming up on cnn this morning. but we're starting with these relations between the united states and ukraine. they're in uncharted

territory this morning, of course, after that dramatic oval office clash between ukraine's president zelenskyy, president trump and vice president vance. western allies quickly took ukraine's side, weakening the already strained ties between the u.s. and its closest allies. now, here in the u.s., however, some republicans are calling on zelenskyy to apologize, including secretary of state marco rubio. >> he said he does not think that he owes president trump an apology for what happened inside the oval office today. do you feel otherwise? >> i do, i do because you guys don't. see, you guys only saw the end. you saw what happened today. you don't see all the things that led up to this. >> but what specifically do you want to see president zelenskyy apologize for? >> well, i apologize for turning this thing into a fiasco for him that it became there was no need for him to go in there and become antagonistic. >> now, zelenskyy says he didn't do anything wrong. he also thanked president trump and the u.s. again this morning in a lengthy post on x. during an

interview with fox, zelenskyy said that friday's clash with trump does not have to be a deal breaker. >> do you think your relationship. >> with donald. >> trump, president trump, after today can be salvaged? >> yes, of course, because it's relations more than two presidents. it's the historical relations, strong relations between our people. >> trump and zelenskyy were originally meeting to discuss u.s. efforts to end the war and potentially sign a minerals deal. that deal ultimately was not signed after the meeting devolved into this. >> you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards right now. you don't. you're playing cards. you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war three. you're gambling with world war iii, and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the

country, this country that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> cnn's nick paton walsh is live in kyiv. nick, overnight there's been this flood of posts on social media from world leaders backing ukraine and president zelenskyy. thank you. thank you for your support. i wonder what this now the reaction is in ukraine. what are you hearing from ukrainians? >> yeah, there is still consternation. and this morning i think a sense of disbelief still that a relationship that seemed to be slowly on the mend has disintegrated at a pace to a depth which at this point is pretty hard to fathom. yes, indeed. president zelenskyy will see in the next 24 to 48 hours after he arrived at london stansted airport, just short of an hour ago. wobbly pictures there have getting into a motorcade. he will see european leaders continue that voice of

support and a remarkable outpouring on social media in the hours after those extraordinary scenes in the oval office. and i'm sure each time ukrainians hear the tone and the nature of, at times, the drubbing which president zelenskyy got, it will grate to some degree, although there are also those in u.s. official circles who suggest perhaps the tone of his conduct, the way he corrected the president and vice president, particularly when they suggested diplomacy with russia could work, maybe set the wrong tone, as indeed were suggestions that his wardrobe was wrong as well. he should have worn a suit. now that is obviously, it seems, a smaller detail here when ukrainians are dealing with the possibility of a decline in their ability to hold back the russians on the front line, a possible drop in u.s. aid, maybe even a freezing. some suggestions like that floated around, indeed, vital u.s. aid support to rebuild the energy infrastructure here that's behind so much. what they're able to do has been we understand stopped. so a lot

changing exceptionally fast here. you heard president trump there saying that zelenskyy was gambling with world war iii. well, the counter to that is that the idea of making peace with russia without the security guarantees that make ukraine feel that could last, is also a gamble towards a much wider conflict. that's certainly the view from kyiv. and zelenskyy has, in his interview with fox news, been at pains to be thankful he repeated that again. and one of the points that vance made was that he hadn't said a thank you enough during that particular meeting. and there is, i think now we step back and have a few hours to digest a big difference between what the men in that meeting had indeed endured. so zelenskyy has been through three years of war, and frankly, has felt that the support the west has given has been just enough to keep them alive. and the meetings he's had has been about trying to get more so his people can indeed simply survive. the other side of that coin is the president and the vice president, often

closer to russia. no personal experience of conflict at all. and they're hearing a man who felt irritated and the need to justify his own case and essentially, at times, stand up for the truth of the matter that has caused an extraordinary deterioration. we know that uk prime minister keir starmer has spoken to both president trump and zelenskyy. he will be meeting zelenskyy. we understand today this meeting was supposed to be about building on the progress of a rare earth minerals deal and trump and zelenskyy healing their meeting. now again, it's a crisis meeting, a bid to try and see if the europeans can go ahead or potentially get the americans back into their plan. but it is such an unknown territory ahead of us now, and one that also two has left the future of zelenskyy really to some degree in doubt because it is his personal enmity with trump that's overshadowed u.s. aid to here, and that is an increasingly large factor as we move forward. >> the vice president, vance, come once, come to ukraine and

see what's here. by the way, nick paton walsh has a fantastic piece on cnn.com right now filling out the context of this relationship and the path forward. you should go and read it nick paton walsh for us there. and keith, thanks so much. a russian officials say that they were gobsmacked by the chaotic meeting between trump and zelenskyy. one key kremlin official described it in one word historic. cnn's chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance, joins us now from moscow. so talk to us a little bit more about the reaction there from russia. >> yeah. well, i think there are two types of reaction. there's the private reaction that, that, that i got from from russians in official capacity, some of them about how astonished they were. like, like many of us watching these extraordinary scenes, this kind of sort of unseemly, spectacular play out in the oval office. um, you know, it's not something it's not the kind of diplomatic conduct that any of

us, including russians, are used to seeing. so in that sense, it was jaw dropping. um, and then publicly, rather, there's been, you know, um, reaction, which has been very supportive of this white house interpretation that it was president zelenskyy alone who was disrespectful and, you know, was it was right to sort of kick him out. um, you've had the russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, maria zakharova, saying that how trump and vance restrained themselves and didn't hit this scoundrel, it is a miracle of self-control. there has been a lot of public statements in that regard. you mentioned the the russian official kirill dmitriev, who's a key russian sort of envoy and has taken part in the us-russian talks that have been underway. he just sort of tweeted out the whole scene with the word historic. and i think that's pretty interesting as well, because it just shows you how this switch, this sea change in

the attitude of washington under president trump is being perceived here in russia. it's being seen as a seismic change, um, which will have historical implications, uh, for europe and for the relationship between moscow and washington. and so, look, the kremlin have remained tight lipped. you know, vladimir putin hasn't said anything about this, but then he doesn't really have to. he can just sit back and watch his rivals, essentially, you know, tear themselves to shreds. and i think that's what's probably happening in the corridors of power here. uh, in russia. >> matthew chance for us there in moscow. thanks so much. with me now is the president of the eurasia group, ian bremmer. good morning to you. and we just got a confirmation here. zelenskyy is in london ahead of that summit that's happening tomorrow. but we've learned that president zelenskyy will be meeting with the uk prime minister, keir starmer this afternoon. and so ian, let's

start there. i'll give to you the question that i gave a guest earlier this morning. what now can starmer do. he's already been to the white house. he set the table. macron has set the table. duda of poland has already met with with president trump. is there any strategy that's clear that could bring president trump back onside into the coalition with with europe to offer these security guarantees? they're hoping for? >> they weren't. >> getting those. security guarantees before the blow up. so, i mean, it's been consistently trump saying that the europeans have to do a lot more now. i think it is conceivable that if the europeans are able to put a lot more money on the table for the ukrainians, if they're able and willing to send a lot of troops on the ground in the event of an agreed to ceasefire, it's always possible that trump can say, look, uh, biden couldn't get that done. i'm i'm the one that got european leadership

done, and now i'm prepared, um, to get back in the room with my european allies. but that is not close to where we are right now. trump has shown much greater interest in getting a deal with putin, who, according to trump, has the cards that zelenskyy does not have. and and engaging in that deal over the heads of his allies in nato and as well as over the heads of the ukrainians and zelenskyy's ability to continue to defend his country and to continue to fight. absent that, u.s. support, um, is is something that i don't think anyone can count on at this point. >> is there anyone in the room who wants to to talk? the president into a greater support for ukraine? we heard from secretary rubio, which contrasts what he said when he was a senator. we know what the new national security advisor, walt, said before he took that role. keith kellogg as well. and his

his military history. do you think there's anybody in this conversation who is saying, mr. president, we need to to take a different path than what we saw yesterday? >> well, number one, the most powerful people around trump on this issue and the loudest are clearly elon musk and jd vance. uh, and they are fully aligned with the president on throwing the ukrainians under the bus here. uh, and and in fact, to a degree, they've been driving that policy more than trump has. it is certainly true that there are many who privately believe that zelenskyy needs to be supported, that the americans should trust him far more than they would trust a rapprochement with the russian president. but their willingness to be sideways with president trump is zero. it's certainly zero publicly, but it's virtually zero privately. they're not pushing back on him. we've seen that with usaid funding. uh, certainly. rubio has said a very

different things to his colleagues and senate republican colleagues and senate that he's been willing to actually get done. this is not going to change on the ukraine issue. the vast majority of republicans in the senate are much more supportive of ukraine than they would be a rapprochement with russia. but are they going to put their heads over the parapet to get shot off? the answer is no. and the american voters, of course, are much more supportive of zelenskyy than they are of putin. uh, but this has this was not a major issue in the u.s. election. it's not what drove voters. and i certainly don't think that trump feels like he has much to risk by by continuing to tell the taxpayers, i'm going to end this war unilaterally, and i'm not going to spend any more american taxpayer money on ukraine. i frankly don't think that he's taking much risk with that position. >> president zelenskyy was asked a question this week that might be more relevant after the meeting that we watched

yesterday than it was before. let's play that. >> the ukraine. >> if it's about peace in ukraine and you really want. >> me to leave my position, i am ready to do that. secondly, i can exchange it for nato if there is such an opportunity. >> now, taking the nato position off the table there, because i don't think that as they've expressed, the white house has any interest in, in ushering in or supporting ukrainian membership of nato. but is there a path forward with these three players still at the table? putin, trump and zelenskyy? i mean, there may be something between the u.s., russia and ukraine, but do you think that because it's so personal that that deal can happen with with zelenskyy? >> no, i don't actually lindsey graham came out and said that zelenskyy has to either send somebody else to be principal on the negotiations, which of course has been a core putin demand, or he needs to resign.

and lindsey graham has been one of the only independent voices on foreign policy, uh, that's willing to stand up to trump on things like gaza, on things like usaid. so the fact that that's his position means that, you know, pretty much everyone around trump believes that zelenskyy's relationship with trump at this point is irrevocably broken. i think that's probably right. but that doesn't mean that zelenskyy has to step down. it means that the europeans have to step up. and have been unable and unwilling to do for the last three years now. there's been an enormous outpouring of support on twitter for zelenskyy. who cares? right? i mean, the question is not what you say. um, the question is what you do. and i mean, the europeans are in a position if they want to. there's over $300 billion of sovereign russian assets that have been frozen and that have been used as leverage for loans to ukraine. um, would they be willing to seize that money and use it to spend for

defense support for ukraine? are they willing to send troops as a backstop? that would matter. you don't need the americans as a backstop. if lots of nato countries are prepared to actually have troops on the ground in a ceasefire, but will the europeans do that in force and together again? heretofore, the answer has been no. you've got some countries on the front lines, like poland, like the baltic states, like the nordics, that are willing to do an awful lot more, even an awful lot more than the americans per capita. but the europeans collectively have not. so, frankly, this is not really a moment for ukraine. ukraine has been fighting courageously with their young men for three years now. zelenskyy, of course, was not willing to accept a flight from the united states with the much larger russians were threatening him. he didn't claim he had bone spurs and wasn't going to go to the front, as the american president did. back to avoid serving in the u.s. military. zelenskyy has served his

country. he's shown his courage. no question about zelenskyy, no question about the ukrainians. the question is about the europeans to whom this should matter a lot more than the average american. and yet over the last three years it has not. >> ian bremmer, thanks so much. noaa tracks, hurricanes, winter storms and more. of course, we've become pretty familiar with those four letters. well, now hundreds of scientists with the agency have been let go. we take a look at how the cuts could impact disaster preparedness. barbie. >> i'm barbie ando in rome, in front of the gemelli hospital, where pope francis has spent the last two weeks. and now he's got double pneumonia. we'll have the latest on his health. up next. >> it's the news. >> welcome back. >> but it's also kind of not the news. >> all the. >> information on this show. so terrible. >> if i got news for you. new tonight on cnn.

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pope's prognosis? >> know the prognosis. you know, they have been really reluctant to say it was anything but guarded or reserved at this time, because he's got a very complicated, clinical picture. 88 years old mobility problems. he's been in and out of this hospital several times in the last 12 years since he became pope. and, you know, these latest bouts with with these respiratory problems are complicated further by the fact that he had half of one of his lungs removed when he was a 19 year old man. so they're very reluctant to say, you know, they've said it could go either way, essentially, but it's really been a roller coaster because we get these detailed reports in the evenings that talk about, you know, him being put on a with an oxygen mask. and then in the morning we hear that he's had coffee and he's had his breakfast. and so there's a little bit of, i guess, mixed messaging on the part of of how he's really doing. we haven't seen any photos of him. we haven't had any images since he went into the hospital on february 14th. but of course, there are so many well-wishers in rome right now in this coming week opens the

lenten season heading into easter with ash wednesday coming up. and that's something normally that the pope would would preside over. um, they've already named his replacement, but we've seen here in front of the hospital, as well as at saint peter's square, just an outpouring of people praying and leaving candles and notes and mementos. and they're saying the rosary every night for his health. so there's a lot of concern, a lot of care for him. this is an important year. it's a holy jubilee as well. you know, they're expecting thousands of religious pilgrims to come to rome this year, many of them specifically to see this pope who, as we said, is still in the hospital behind me. yeah. victor. >> 88 years old, barbie nadeau for us there outside the hospital. thanks for that update. so this morning, authorities are uncovering uncovering new information surrounding the death of oscar winning actor gene hackman and his wife. hackman pacemaker is providing some clues about when he died, but the actual cause of

death is still under investigation. cnn's maribel gonzalez is following this story for us. >> new details in the death. investigation of 95 year old actor gene. hackman and his wife. >> 65 year old betsy. >> arakawa. >> an initial interrogation was conducted of mr. hackman's pacemaker. this revealed that his last event was recorded on february 17th, 2025, the. >> santa fe county sheriff revealing that. >> hackman was likely dead. >> for. >> nine days. >> after. >> being discovered by maintenance workers wednesday afternoon. >> i think that that is a very good assumption that that was his his last day of life. >> in an affidavit, deputies say the couple's bodies were found in separate rooms. hackman near the kitchen with a walking cane and sunglasses near him. arakawa was found in a bathroom next to a prescription bottle with scattered pills on the floor. her body showed obvious signs of

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>> a 180 degree turn from how president trump had described ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy just the day before. >> we're going to get along really well. we have a lot of respect. i have a lot of respect for him. >> then on friday. >> you're not acting at all thankful. >> tension that had been smoldering well before this oval office display. >> there was. >> personal animus that you could see there. especially from trump. >> a personal animus that dates back to trump's first administration. trump pressured zelenskyy to investigate hunter biden during a 2019 phone call about u.s. aid for ukraine. >> it was a perfect phone call. >> their early. >> interactions are donald trump. >> attempting to. >> blackmail president zelenskyy, withholding hundreds of millions of dollars of u.s. military assistance while he pressed zelenskyy to launch investigations of his political opponents? >> zelenskyy tried to stay out of the fracas. >> i'm sorry, but i don't want to be involved. nobody pushed. it pushed me. yes.

>> in other words, no pressure. >> the nays. >> are. >> democrats alleged, a quid pro quo. and trump was impeached but acquitted. >> i think that left a bit of a bad. >> taste in. >> mr. trump's mouth. >> because he. >> has a long memory. he's like that. >> since russia's invasion of ukraine in 2022, trump has falsely blamed zelenskyy for the conflict that vladimir putin ignited. >> he should never have let that war start. that war is a loser. >> compared to vladimir putin. >> zelenskyy just. >> doesn't measure up. >> in trump's mind. zelenskyy is not the kind of leader that trump admires. zelenskyy is. closer to the leaders of europe. >> in style and substance. and trump. has nothing. >> but scorn for those leaders. he sees them as weak, as effeminate. >> zelenskyy has publicly expressed his frustration with trump before a year ago, telling cnn this. >> i can't understand how how donald trump can be on the side of putin. >> and in september, zelenskyy told the new yorker, quote, trump doesn't really know how to stop the war. trump took note of the insult. >> he's making little nasty

aspersions toward your favorite president. >> could zelenskyy have managed the relationship better? >> this is almost certainly. not how his advisers and supporters in europe advised him to handle donald trump, knowing of this tense history between them. >> even if mr. zelenskyy had more fuzzy, warm time with mr. trump, at the end of the day it's vladimir putin who mr. trump admires the most. >> what could zelenskyy do for his part to repair the relationship? analyst susan glasser says zelenskyy could try to go to america's best friends in the region britain, france, germany and poland to solicit their help in getting back on donald trump's good side. >> victor brian todd, thank you. from blanket firings to demands for people to justify their jobs, elon musk is taking a chainsaw to the federal workforce. coming up, we speak with one expert who helped president bill clinton cut thousands of federal jobs. why?

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online and going to happen every week. >> i don't know why they are doing this other than to build a database from which to train an a.i. system. that's the only thing i can think of. i mean, no, no human being is going to read 2 million emails. and even if they did, they wouldn't understand them. because what people do is, in the context of their their work. so, you know, suppose you're an fbi agent and you're trying to get an undercover. you're trying to recruit an undercover person to work against inside. the great big, you know, drug gang in mexico. you're going to put that in your email. that's crazy. so much of what the government does should not be public. we don't know where these emails are going. we don't know what they're going to do with it. the whole thing is screwy. we would have never done that. we went into agencies

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