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down to new reporting that reveals that one issue that set off the president was the way that vladimir zelenskyy was dressed. president trump ended the meeting by noting that it would all make great television. and then he kicked the ukrainians out of the white house. these scenes and the yelling and the finger pointing, they really would fit in a soap opera if not for the reality that right now, russia is still attacking ukraine daily, and we're three years into an invasion that has killed tens of thousands of ukrainians. and for changed many more. and europe and the free world are now left asking, is the u.s. still on our side? here's where the president says he stands. after all that. >> we're not going to keep fighting. you're going to get the war done or let them go and see what happens. let them fight it out. >> our guest on this have unique perspectives. major general dana pittard served in the u.s. army,

including multiple tours in iraq. he's an author of hunting the caliphate and terrell. jermaine starr is a journalist who was in ukraine covering the war when russia first invaded. he's the host of black diplomats on youtube and joins us from kyiv. gentlemen, welcome to you. general, let me start with you. the president said it was good for the world to see this. what do you say? >> well, good morning, victor. uh. >> the whole thing was regrettable. uh. >> i one. >> word really comes to to mind. >> and that's grace. >> and it's. >> really the graciousness. >> of of a host. and in this case, it was a president, united states and the vice president, united states being gracious hosts. and they need. >> to be. >> uh, they weren't. >> uh. >> especially to. a visiting dignitary, uh, duly elected president and an ally. of ukraine who has been brutally attacked by russia over the last three years. >> they weren't supposed to last. six weeks. >> but in fact, they lasted three years with our assistance. >> and.

>> assistance of others. um, and i also. think of grace as, as, as a guest. >> president zelenskyy. >> um. >> took the bait, unfortunately. >> and and i think, regrettably, uh, went down into the pettiness lane of president trump and vice president vance. so it is regrettable. >> and now. >> we need to move on from there. >> terrell, i see you shaking your head. what's going on? >> well, a. greetings from kyiv and greetings to you, general. um, one part, um, i don't agree with at all is this notion that that zelenskyy fell for the bait. this was a setup from the beginning. and no matter what zelenskyy would have done, there would have been a reason for donald trump to say that zelenskyy was disrespectful. there was nothing that zelenskyy could have done had he not shown up. the trump administration would have made an argument about why he didn't show up and how he was showing a lack of gratefulness. if you put him as if you put up tripwires, you put

up enough of explosive devices in front of someone, you're going to trip on one of them. i think we need to spend less time putting pressure on zelenskyy for having the dignity to show up to somebody who really had no good intentions from the beginning, and really focus on donald trump, the person who acted like a petulant child in front of the white house and embarrass him. but i will tell you, being here in ukraine, uh, i've been paying attention to a lot of ukrainian news media as well as ukrainian social media. even the people who don't like him at all. even the youtube channels that have constantly criticized zelenskyy, they're all standing in support of him. because one thing is clear for them is that they no longer see ukraine. i'm sorry. the united states as a reliable partner, and they see a break, um, from the european security structure, and they realize that they're on their own. and finally, this question about continuing to fight in a ceasefire, there's no appetite here. i've read all the polls, i've traveled around the country. and one thing is clear.

the ukrainians have one thing that they understand. if we stop fighting, that means that five years from now, three years from now, more people are going to die later, or more people are going to die now. we either fight and keep going, or we don't fight and we give up our state. and so there's this notion that there's a better option, when in fact there isn't. >> general, let me ask you about the reporting we have. zelenskyy is going to meet with the uk prime minister starmer today. there is this summit tomorrow. what can europe do now to to to bring the president, president trump, back into the circle. they've already done all of the diplomacy to set up what was supposed to happen yesterday. is there anything they can do to to reconcile. >> there are things europe can do, but. >> let me just. >> address. >> something that was said. i mean. >> this was. really a photo op. i, you know, i used to work in the white house. >> um, all president zelenskyy had to do was just be silent at

that point. um, knowing that there was a pettiness. >> to the president or anything. >> else, just be silent and make his point. in private. the strategic. >> reason why. >> he was there. was to get the support of the united states, sign the deal, get the support united states. so i just want to make sure that's clear that that's something president zelenskyy could have done. um, overall, now, as far as europe, europe, uh, in supporting ukraine, they can continue to support ukraine, both politically, diplomatically and militarily. um, it will be much more difficult without the the overt support of the u.s. um, and that's definitely regrettable. but ukraine can still survive and it'll be tough, but it can still survive with the support of a united europe. >> so, general, let me ask you, you said that zelenskyy, all he had to do was be silent and have this conversation in private. but we saw when president macron was at the white house when with president trump, he corrected him when he said that europe was

going to be repaid. we saw that the uk prime minister corrected the president when he said that europe was getting its money back. when vice president vance said that this is diplomacy and and president zelenskyy said rightfully we had a deal on a cease fire. he didn't keep it. we had a deal on exchange for prisoners. he didn't keep it. you say that was out of line, even considering the context of what we've seen this week from other european leaders who were allowed to correct the president when he was wrong. >> mhm. victor. >> what he. >> said was correct. but it's when you say. >> it. >> um, you say it in private. you don't embarrass or even attempt to embarrass. >> the president. >> or vice president like that. um, again, it he was just responding to it. the person who was wrong here was vice president vance. in my mind. however, president zelenskyy could rise above that and make his points in private.

>> um, terrell, let me come to you one last thing. you you told one of my producers that there's a through line. you know what? i'm abandoning my question because i want to see what is this emotion that that you're you're having right now in reaction to what you're hearing? >> listen, this is i want to get directly to the through line that i think that you're going to get to. look, we spend more time putting pressure on the oppressed person and the person who is being constantly bombed. look, all of us on twitter and social media and who are not in president zelenskyy position, who is in charge of a country, we are 100% confident that we would have done a better job than him, albeit we are not in his shoes. so i think that it's pretty insulting to point to a man who comes as a diplomat to the united states of america expects the common decency of a, of a, of a, of a world leader to be civil. and so we're asking a leader of a country that's

undergoing war and insulting him by saying that he didn't dress properly. come on. the fact i live here. no one dresses in a suit here. let's just get that first. let's get the first thing started. but above all, this is us accepting, accepting petulance, accepting childishness. and i know this doesn't sound like a heavy, deep political analysis, but i think that we're beyond that at this point. we are giving a lot of rope to a petulant child, and we're giving. and this is the and this is the type of behavior that we only accept from white men. we would never accept obama behaving like this. we would never accept a possible kamala harris behaving like this. we give this an a like this foolishness to white incompetent men and this through line that i'm breaking down to you. is that the the the main point is this is the way that donald trump has been treating black people and and, and, and people of color for the past 4 or 5 years. and in his first term. well, he's doing to ukrainians is xenophobic. his rhetoric

towards ukrainians has always been you are ungrateful. you are not doing enough. you're not giving enough. he has that same attitude towards black people. the only difference with the ukrainians is that he does not have an ethnic slur to have for ukrainians, but if he did, he would have given it. so i think that we really need to take a step back and really understand what this is, and it's xenophobia. and if we continue to give license and give rope to donald trump, then we're just excusing petulance and bad behavior. >> terrell, jermaine starr. major general dana pittard, thank you both for being with me and for the conversation. trump administration's cuts to the federal workforce and funding are having an impact far beyond washington. we have the story of a tribal university that's pleading to keep their professors and staff, including their women's basketball coach, who's getting ready for a semifinal game today. he joins us ahead. plus, he was a wrongly accused member of the central park five and now the exonerated five. and he hopes soon a member

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school where children were removed from their parents and tribal nations to be stripped of their culture and heritage and assimilated into white america. children died there, a graveyard for 103 children at the southern edge of the campus. speaks to that legacy today. haskell says it welcomes more than 800 students every year to their campus in kansas. and those young people represent nearly 150 indian nations and tribes across the country. what's true with hbcus is true with tribal universities. haskell is underfunded. and this could put their ability to stay open at risk. the haskell foundation is now seeking donations with the hopes of of raising $350,000 included in what they are hoping to fund are temporary contract extensions for custodial staff and dining services, and part time coaches. >> haskell. >> heads up. >> haskell. >> well, this happened this

week. students protested outside the kansas state capitol. the fighting for funding to be restored. not wanting to give up on their school, just like their women's basketball coach is not giving up on the team. with us now is the haskell women's basketball coach, adam strom, and one of his student athletes, star her many horses. thank you both for being with me. coach, i want to start with you. it was february 14th. i believe it was. tell me what happened when you learned that you were unemployed. >> look. >> mitski. >> chuck. good. >> good morning. good day. >> february 14th. just more than two weeks ago. uh, i was called in to the athletic director's office, and i was told i was my name was on a list, and that list was a termination list. that was a trickle down effect from the trump administration. and it was an executive order for for probationary period. uh.

employment, uh, staff. and that that i would be terminated effective that day. that would be my last pay day. >> mhm. and star, when you heard this, what went through your mind. what was the team's reaction. >> um, honestly, it was pretty devastating to our team because of how much our coach means to us and how much we've grown as a team this year. so it was a real shock to know that he was a part of that order and that things had just changed so rapidly. most of us were in shock at the time. >> um, but coach, you decided that although that was your last day being paid, that you were not going to leave the team. why? >> that decision was made without hesitation. um, the dedication that the entire program, the staff, the institution has, uh, provided,

it was again made without hesitation. and i wanted to take the stance that, uh, the termination was going to create determination on my part and the dedication to fulfill a job was at the forefront. i couldn't walk away. um, with the job not finished. >> and i read that your father was a coach of a high school girls basketball team for decades. what? what are these girls these women mean to you? >> so i believe i'm living on a legacy. uh, and my late father, ted strom, had coached for 30 years, and he coached, uh, females. he coached high school girls. and, uh, early on in my coaching career, my father said, someday you're going to make a great college coach. and that was written in a john wooden christmas gift, a book that he gave me. so again, i feel like i'm fulfilling a legacy and i'm living out my dad's wishes,

and that's to make native american youth not only better basketball players, but better individuals. >> mhm. star. uh, as i said earlier, that the coach is not the only person impacted 25 to 30% of the the faculty and staff there. how is this impacted campus life and academics? aside from basketball. >> uh, this is really put a halt on a lot of the activities we have here at haskell. and just, um, our entire college experience, really. there's been, um, with the lack of staff that's around now, it's just really difficult for students to feel optimistic about the future and what what the rest of our, um, college experience will be like. but seeing all the efforts that people are making and the, um, highlight that's been

making, that's been happening on our school is really hopeful and brings us a lot of hope that some good will come out of this and we'll still be. >> gabbard coach. last thing before we go. um, you got a family to to provide for. i know you're volunteering now, but how long can you stay? >> yes, i do. i have three children that actually played basketball here at haskell indian nations university on the men's team. and they all they will all be graduating. i have a wife who is a school administrator in the topeka school district. and just, you know, the family support, uh, you know, prayers, offerings. and like star alluded to, just the highlight with the haskell foundation. um, the haskell community, the native american community, um, there's no doubt in my mind that coach strong is going to be able to survive. and that's, um, strength in numbers and that's strength in indian country, which we play for. and

i, the native american community, the indian country is going to support coach strong. in turn, i'm going to provide them with the best of my expertise, uh, with coaching native american women, um, lifelong characteristics. >> all right. coach adams strong and her many horses. thank you so much for being with me. good luck today in the game. um, and we'll be following, of course, everything happening at haskell next. a member of the exonerated five, now running for city council in new york. he joins me next. >> have i got news. >> for you is. >> back now. i love. >> the. >> games we've. >> been playing about the news of the week. >> but it might be time to come up with some new games. >> yes. what do. >> you got? >> yes. something like a. >> uh. >> well, what if. >> no. but, um. >> y'all good with just playing the same game? let's say the same games. that's a good idea.

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wrongfully. convicted, sentenced for the rape of a white woman in central park. later, you were exonerated fully. i wonder, does that experience do you believe inform the run. inform the work that you hope to do? >> i believe it does. you know the community. like i stated, they have watched us throughout the years. i'm from east harlem, so i'm, you know, i'm, you know, east harlem in the bronx. i have i have strong ties to it. and the community has sat there and watched me throughout this, throughout this experience, throughout these years. and they've always been supportive. so i definitely believe that, um, they see themselves in me. um, this is also, you know, in the case that captivated the america at the time. and so there's a connection there. there's a connection between me and the community. and it has it has been shown, you know, just in the last couple of days, the support has been tremendous. >> i read that you told the new york times that, quote, those who have been closest to the

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announced a rebranding this week that focuses on inclusion as opposed to diversity, equity and inclusion. they framed it as an evolution while continuing our legacy of inclusion. what does that mean? well, of course, i asked, a wbd spokesperson tells me that the company will continue to sponsor and participate in minority focused journalism conferences like the national association of black journalists. i asked about wb's partnership with the entertainment industry college outreach program, which works with hbcus. they said that that outreach to students will continue. i asked about the wbd access writers program. it's a pathway for writers who face barriers to entering careers in screenwriting. and i was told, quote, that has been an important development program for writers of all backgrounds. and will we anticipate continuing it? now, it's not just corporate mission statements that are being impacted. last week, we told you about the cancellation of a parade honoring frederick

douglass featuring the maryland national guard. a week before that, we told you about how military recruiters canceled their appearance at a conference for black engineers. well, this weekend we have the story of a youth concert on may 4th. there was supposed to be a performance featuring students of color from an organization known as equity arc and the president's own united states marine band. equity arc says the concert had been called off because of the military under the trump administration's barring of participating in events, seem to be tied to die. now, equity arc announced the cancellation in a post saying this program was set to bring together over 30. extraordinary pre-college musicians from across the country who earned their spots through a competitive audition process. they were to receive mentorship from marine band musicians and perform a powerful program celebrating diverse voices in music. they added to the students, families, and educators impacted by this decision. we see you, we support

you, and we will continue to fight for spaces where your artistry is valued. two composers who were supposed to have their pieces performed are with us. kevin. whose piece is titled rising light, and carlos simon, whose piece is titled sweet chariot. carlos is also a grammy nominated composer in residence at the kennedy center. um, let me start with you, carlos. when you heard and first, thank you both for being with me. when you heard that this was canceled, what did you feel for the students and for yourself? >> well, thank. >> you so much for having me. i honestly was so heartbroken. you know, i, i. >> use my music as a means. of bringing people together. that's that's my my my mission. and. >> you know, to have my piece, which is about. >> bringing people. >> together. >> it quotes the. >> spiritual african-american spiritual swing low. >> sweet.

>> chariot, as well as. uh, gregorian chant, plainchant from the catholic church. >> and both of those. >> songs pieces. >> are. about the. >> afterlife, which we all experience. >> in some way. and the piece was really meant to bring. >> people together. so i've always used my platform for that and for unity. >> um. >> and so to, to have my piece canceled it, i felt like. >> it was. >> a missed opportunity for not only. >> for me, but as a. >> composer, but also for the students to, to share in. >> an experience that that we. >> all have. >> you know. >> um, kevin, your piece. uh, the piece you composed is called rising light. let's listen to a little of it.

and that's just a small piece. talk to me about the inspiration, because i think that that element of the story is interesting. what inspired you to write it? >> for sure. >> thank you. >> so much for. >> having me. um, this. >> was. >> inspired after the post. >> covid asian hate. >> of roughly. >> 2020 to 2022. >> and i wanted. >> to. >> find a way. >> to peacefully. >> protest through. >> music. >> through complex. >> harmony. >> through rhythm, but. also through the most. >> simple. >> things, such as a stomp or a clap. >> i wanted there to be accessible. >> accessibility for peaceful protest for asian. americans who are quietly. >> protesting or. loudly protesting, literally with stomps and. >> claps. >> mhm. carlos, as i mentioned, you were composer in residence at the kennedy center. the president fired members of the board of trustees. uh, a couple

of weeks ago. um, there was some high profile cancellations of performances. the president appointed himself the board chair. i wonder what your thought is on this broader. residual impact of politics on the arts. >> well. >> it's very concerning, to say the least. >> i know that. >> many of my colleagues. >> who. >> you know, are of color, uh, namely black composers, are concerned. but, you know, i, i like to subscribe to the, the quote, uh, philosophy that music should reflect the times in which we live. >> and. >> you know, many of my colleagues and i and i will continue to do that. and, of course, i'm fortunate to have, you know, the kennedy center as a platform and will continue to use that platform as a to write my music. and but, you know, this is this. >> is deeply concerning. >> but, you know. we have to reflect the times in which we

live through my music and again, use my music as a platform for helping others to see themselves, um, through the art and just kind of show up, you know, and make hopefully good music that people will enjoy and. see themselves. >> kevin, um, this was canceled. this partnership with equity arc as a result of the order, uh, purging anything related to dei. and the president has cast dei as the opposite of meritocracy. describe for us, i mean, these students are the best and competed. and this was a process of meritocracy. was it not to even get to participate with the u.s. marine band? >> well, i think that. merit is. something that is. really that really needs to. >> be highlighted here. >> i think that. as someone who's. only 21, only.

>> about four years out of high school, um, i. share this connection. >> with them of i know what. >> it took. >> i was only in their shoes. >> four years ago, playing clarinet in bands. >> and doing the honor band cycle in southern california. so slightly. >> different geographical. >> location. but i know. >> what it took, and i know what it took for me to get on this. >> program. >> as a very young. >> composer at 21 and a senior in undergrad. currently. i know. >> that we. were on this program, carlos. >> and i, and i know that these students had the pleasure of. >> potentially collaborating. >> with them all because of merit and nothing to do with quota or dei. >> hmm. uh, kevin, i'll stay with you for this last question. um, this was supposed to be a learning experience for the students to be with these. these fantastic musicians in the u.s. marine band. what do you think they learned, if anything, with the cancellation? >> i think. >> that this.

>> is. >> a tough. >> lesson. that. >> you can be incredible, you can be dedicated and you can have everything right, but you sometimes are just caught in the wrong part of history. and to that. >> i. >> just say students all around the nation please keep, please keep being dedicated. please keep pursuing your education, keep practicing, and please keep your head up. >> kevin and carlos simon, thank you so much. and when this story popped up on my feed this week, i had to to get the back. why? a former dean and an artist teamed up to create a very different law school portrait. first though, as we go to break, i want to play a bit of carlos's composition, sweet chariot from a previous performance.

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>> i'm william. >> johnson. >> i'm the. >> former dean of saint. >> louis university school. >> of law. >> i'm located currently in madrid, spain. >> based in saint louis, missouri, and i'm a painter, illustrator and muralist. >> i have. >> been with saint louis university. >> for 13 years. i served. >> as dean. of the school of law for almost eight of those years. the tradition at. >> many u.s. >> law schools is for. >> a portrait. >> to be created, and the history of the law school is such that it's a wall almost exclusively of white men. i thought about that history and the message that it sends to our students and my colleagues and the community regarding notions of what law school leadership looks like. i had initially made the decision not to do it. it occurred to me one day that the portrait itself could be a point of departure and an act of

resistance to the tradition of exclusion, and white supremacy. and so i reached out to bobby because i was familiar with his art and the justice oriented nature of it. >> at first. >> i was just like, i don't even know how this is going to work because. >> i don't paint anything like that. >> but when we read this and what he wanted to do with it, there was no way we could, you know, turn it down. i just thought about, you know, what his room and bookshelf might look like. and so it had a little wood sculpture on the top shelf. we have a series with bobby's all stars, with kids, with the fist up. and he wanted one of those as a statue on a bookshelf. and then just based on his readings, i just went online and looked up all banned books and books that looked like they would fit around subjects around saint louis. there were some moments i was like, they're really going to hang this. i just had to go for it. like there was no reason to do anything. and hesitancy. >> i love the message. i love the symbols. i love the color. i

love every aspect of it that is resistance. >> it definitely is a break. i love that it will tell the story that everybody didn't fall in line with whatever the administration and the climate was trying to put on people's hearts. >> the law school specifically is part of a profession that is supposed to be committed to justice. a principles of equal justice and rule of law. and the portrait is one powerful example of a turning point that is possible at saint louis university school of law and beyond. >> now, former dean johnson points out that as unique as his portrait is, the next one is going to be even more unprecedented at their law school. that's because the current dean of the law school is doctor toinette johnson. no relation at its portrait unveiling, the former dean said the addition of her portrait will be a moment long overdue

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