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the world's richest men, worth an estimated $109 billion. remarkable, considering he's already given away 100 billion or so in the last two decades to tackle some of the world's biggest environmental and global health issues. gates is 69 now, and looking back on his life in a way he rarely has before. his new memoir, one of three he plans to publish, is called source code my beginnings. it covers his unusual childhood, his first encounter with the computer at 13, and how just six years later, in 1975, he came to co-found the software company microsoft and helped lead the personal computer revolution. >> ladies and gentlemen, bill gates. >> some aspects of bill gates origin story are well known. a geeky kid becomes a computer whiz, and with his childhood

friend paul allen, creates a revolutionary software company that would make them both billionaires. gates has told versions of that story for years. >> i and my co-founder, paul allen, saw that the chip industry would be doing incredible things, that their ability to put more and more logic into a small area and sell it at a very low price would lead to very, very powerful personal computers. we went to the hardware manufacturers to find out what kind of systems they'd be building. >> and bill gates and paul allen weren't building actual computers. the hardware, they were focused on software, writing programs. computers would run to take notes, write papers and other tasks. few people could imagine they one day would. allen and gates saw the future and didn't want to miss out. >> eventually, it will happen is that everyone will have a personal computer on their desk. >> they co-wrote one of the first pieces of commercial software for a personal computer, and helped create the

building blocks of computing that are an indispensable part of our everyday lives. >> microsoft windows. it's here. >> launching windows in 1985 and excel, then word and office in a little more than a decade, microsoft's software would come to be in 90% of the world's personal computers. it made bill gates a billionaire by the time he was 31. >> the youngest billionaire on the list. bill gates. >> version three. >> and earned him admirers and detractors who said his leadership style and business tactics were aggressive and unfair. >> gates totally sets the rules, and because microsoft is so powerful and dominant, no one has any other choice but to follow. >> in 1998, the department of justice filed a lawsuit that gates would fight for years. >> the justice department has

charged microsoft with engaging in anti-competitive and exclusionary practices. >> that history is well known, but how did bill gates become a programing genius? as a teenager in the late 1960s, when hardly anyone had access to a computer? and how did he come to see the future? before most people did. we spent time with him recently to find out how bill gates became bill gates. do you think about your childhood a lot? >> i know that i was extremely lucky to have the parents i had and to be born at the time i was born, and i have very positive memories. i had conflict with my mom, but we were super close. i mean, maybe too close at at times. and the fact that i did develop independence and partly just wanting to be, you know, prove myself in this way that was independent from my mom, you know, sort of created this

energy that pushed me. >> you were born with this incredible brain, but had it not been nurtured by your mom in ways that were difficult for you and the obviously the socioeconomic level you were born into and the opportunities you had at the schools you had, it might have gone in very different directions. >> absolutely. >> gates was born in 1955 and raised in an upper middle class neighborhood in seattle. >> this is my family. >> his dad, bill gates senior, was a lawyer, president of the state bar association, and a civic leader. in his retirement years, he'd become co-chair of his son's philanthropic foundation. he died just four years ago at 94. >> i think about my dad and what he would do because he's a natural. his natural instinct on values. you know, i will never be his equal. i do math, but

this man was incredible. my dad lived a full life. my mom died six years younger than i am. >> your mom died in 1994. your dad in 2020. do you still deal with grief in the same way? do you feel it as a presence in your life? >> my parents, whenever they're. it's like their birthday or the day they died. my sisters and i. you know, reflect and my appreciation of my dad. actually has grown even, you know, my entire life, i underestimated my dad. uh, my mom, i always knew she was amazing. and, you know, we were kind of locked in a a a little bit of a, you know, was i independent, was i successful, was i fulfilling her things? >> his mom, mary maxwell gates, forged a career serving on nonprofit and corporate boards, often the first woman in the room.

>> that's my mom. uh, speaking at a united way event. >> early on, gates began to push back against his mom's expectations that he excel not just in school, but sports and social situations. >> my mom definitely pushed me to connect with adults and talk to adults who were coming to the house. >> that was important to her. >> yeah, serving them tea, having them say, oh, you've grown so much. you know. >> at annual summer vacations with family friends. gates learned early on that he loved competition, but he liked math more than sports and books more than socializing. above all else, he loved thinking and learning. and he'd started to understand the power of his own intellect. and that led to conflict with his parents, especially his mom. by nine, he was openly challenging her and refusing to follow her rules. >> by then, there's things i actually understand a little bit better than my mom does. like, she's on a bank board and i'm saying to her, how do you do the the loan risk calculations? and,

you know, you should maybe you shouldn't be on that board. i'm just playing. >> and maybe you shouldn't be on. >> that board because you can't do the math. >> his father would later tell him that around the age of nine, he seemed to become an adult overnight. an argumentative, intellectually forceful, and sometimes not very nice adult. then his parents did something rare for anyone in 1964, but especially for a child. they sent him to a therapist. >> all the other people he was seeing were like couples who were arguing. i was kind of unusual. >> do you remember what you said to him? >> i said, i'm at war with my parents. uh, they're imposing arbitrary rules on me and. >> and you were nine years. >> old, and he said, you're going to win. and i was like, what? >> the therapist told you you're going to win. >> yeah. at the end of the the second session, he's like, what are you after here? you know, isn't it kind of more being recognized or succeeding? and

aren't they really on your side? and he. refocused my energy utterly that giving my parents a hard time was not the path to anything. >> he appealed to your logic. >> exactly. >> gates was also close with his grandmother, adele thompson maxwell, who taught him, and his older sister christy, to play cards. >> so that's me and christy and my grandmother we called gammy. >> you played cards with your grandmother. even that, you look back on and see the way your brain was operating during that. >> well, i got this notion of, hey, why is she beating us all the time? and i'm going to figure out what that is. it was kind of irritating to me that, hey, aren't we just randomly dealing these cards, you know? shouldn't it be 5050 that we're playing this pounce game where you're turning cards over and playing them? she would tell me. plays i was missing, that she

had so much awareness that she could see me turning over cards. and i was like, wait a minute. uh, that's more bandwidth. how how does that work? >> he began to focus intently on how she played and figured out she wasn't just watching her own cards. she was tracking her grandkids cards and choices as well. it was around then. gates began to, as he says, hyperfocus on things he wanted to understand. he calls that ability to focus intently on a subject his superpower. >> that was my comfort zone, that okay, i can think some of these things through, and some of these adults find it fascinating that i can solve math problems or talk to them about, you know, my mom's on a bank board and i say, okay, you know, how much more do you charge for the loan than you charge for the savings? you know, kind of these basic, uh. understandings. >> i mean, you notice your thought process was structured and logical early on.

>> yeah. that if you read multiple books about something, the pieces would fit together and make sense. and it's kind of fun. it's a puzzle. >> a puzzle. he was able to piece together because of how he retained and analyzed information, especially when it involved numbers. gates now says if he were a child today, he'd likely be diagnosed as having some form of autism. do you think you're on the spectrum? >> i definitely think that term is used broadly enough that i fit into that. uh, you know, it's kind of complex how people do the criteria. you know, would i have been given, uh, medicine for that? you know, we're a lot more prescriptive now. >> but nobody ever said to you as a child, you're autistic, or you. >> should know that term just wasn't used. >> you also write in the book about rocking. that's something, obviously, that people with autism often do. is that something you did that as a child? >> even now, if i go off and i'm really concentrating on

something without meaning to, i can start going like this. uh, you know, which is some self-comfort type thing. and it really bugs people. uh. >> gates was lucky. his parents were well aware he needed intellectual stimulation, and they made a decision when he was 12. that led to an extraordinarily rare and life changing encounter with a computer in school. is when you had your first encounter with a computer. this is ten years before the revolution. >> the whole story with anderson cooper is a five time emmy winner for long form journalism. cnn's best journalists share deeply reported stories. >> i was a failure to be labeled a conspiracy theorist. >> that's news to me. are k-pop stars discovered or are they made? >> people still have to make a living. despite the drought conditions here. >> we're taking prenatal vitamins. we also are using

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like, geez, what do we do? he is a little undisciplined. should we send him to this private school, which was a meaningful investment for them? i didn't know what to think about it. it ended up being a fantastic thing for me. >> i we're here at. >> lakeside high school. i'm age 12 through 17. while i'm here, i think back to these days as the key days. >> in 1967, lakeside was an elite all boys private school when 12 year old bill gates first enrolled, he was, by his own account, an aimless and uninspired student. you met somebody when you were 13, a kid who really altered the course of your life. kent. who was kent evans? >> he was a student at lakeside. a little unusual appearance, because he'd had a cleft palate, very serious and forward looking, you know, was thinking

about careers and what career he would go into at age 13. and i found his reading and energy so attractive that we became best friends. even when i'm still kind of this goof off. you know, he loved talking to me and things that we'd read. i wasn't reading fortune magazine, but he got me reading it. you know, i. >> got you reading fortune magazine at. >> 13. >> thanks to kent evans. gaetz began to change. he stopped goofing off at school and engaged, becoming a top student. but kent also helped gates start to think about life after school, something they talked about a lot. you said kent helped give me direction, setting me on the course of defining who i wanted to become. >> yeah, he brought a kind of partnership that it's okay to think about those future things. >> you guys actually kind of set about a course of study, reading biographies of like fdr, napoleon to kind of see what.

>> did we do? >> yeah. >> you know, is being an ambassador, is that a good job? who gets picked for that job? >> did the napoleon track seem pretty good to you? going to exiles. >> it was very different going into the military. i mean, you know, if you happen to do that during when there's a war, you can make some incredible contribution. but we ruled that out pretty quickly because, you know, we didn't want there to be a war. and that wasn't what we were good at. >> kent liked to push himself. he'd already learned how to captain his family's 35 foot sailboat. a few years later, he would start mountaineering. it was at lakeside school in 1968, when they were 13, that kent and gates together first got access to a computer. >> we were. >> kind of inseparable, including when the computer comes along. we're both down there all the time trying to figure it out. >> the fact that as a kid, you happen to be in a place where

you have access to these computers at a time when no one else does. >> it's mind blowing. computers are these expensive things. there aren't many of them. >> this is ten years before the revolution. >> yeah, that was a very lucky, unique thing to have. that incredible exposure. the mothers club raised money through a rummage sale. this terminal shows up in a room at this school. this teletype, which you know is completely obsolete, is exactly what we would use. it's connected by a phone line to a very big computer. general electric computer that runs the basic language. at first, the teachers are in there thinking they're going to structure this thing. they get confused, they make a few mistakes. and so a few kids kind of take over this computer room. >> by a few kids, he means just four. >> so kent evans is exactly my age. and then there's two boys

two years older. paul allen and rick weiland. this is paul. that's us together in the computer room. you can see he all those things. only two years older than me. he looks maybe like he's ten years older because i look very young. everybody disappears, gets bored with it, moves off to something else. and the four of us are there a little bit? night and day. always trying to push it. >> push it? they did. making the most of their unique opportunity. >> and the four of us called ourselves the lakeside programing group. i get first access at the school, then we get free computer time from this company. >> a lakeside mom involved with the new computer business pulled in the boys as testers. >> we find bugs and we get better. >> but that company went out of business.

>> so then. >> we found another one. who said that if we wrote a payroll program using a computer language called cobol, that they would give us free computer time. and so that was a very complex piece of software that we had to learn a lot. when we started doing this payroll program, the older boys thought there might not be enough work to go around. and so they said, no, we're just going to do this. and i said, fine, i don't think you're thinking it through. and if you do want me to come back and help, i will be in charge at that time. and so about two months later, they realized it is very complicated. all the taxes and reports. so they asked us to come back in. >> he was 13 and already showing signs of the take charge leader. he'd become. >> i like to organize things. so from that point forward, whatever we did, i was kind of the one who was going to pull it

together. >> their presentation and their program was a success. and then came more opportunities. the school asked you, hired you essentially to come up with a program that would automatically schedule classes, right? how old were you? 15. so that the school is coming to you at 15. >> and paying me one of my first complex software programs was the lakeside high school scheduling program. >> did they still use that today. >> in evolution of it? it's definitely improved quite a bit. >> i hope you still get some residuals or. >> no, no i didn't i didn't get royalties on that one. but i was for a kid, you know, being paid 5000 for the summer. it was pretty nice. >> it was a project. gates started with his best friend kent, but would have to finish with someone else. >> the whole story with anderson cooper is a five time emmy

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climbing course. you know, this is kent trying to push himself in unexpected directions. so they were practicing. they weren't going to the top of the mountain or anything. and incredibly, he fell, hit his head and and died. and i was home. got called by the headmaster, which was, you know, just this super shocking thing that, you know, kent left to go on a climbing class. and then he's gone. >> that was your first experience with death? >> absolutely. you know, i'd had a great grandmother died, but they didn't even let me go to the funeral. and kent was, you know, central to my life. i mean, i still know his phone number. >> you still remember his phone number? >> oh, yeah. because we'd call and talk every night. and so, you know, we were kind of planning a future together. we hadn't figured out what it

would be. and, you know, it was unbelievable. he's just gone. >> in the book, you talk about grief and that the way you dealt with grief then, and seems like always is, you basically kind of push it down and move forward. is that accurate? >> i think the thing with kent, i was so shaken. but then to see his parents, who this, you know, was the apple of their eye. so the fact that someone it was even more of a tragedy for them than it was for me, meant to me that whenever i'd find myself just being really melancholy and wondering how arbitrary life was going to be going forward to see, you know that there life was changed utterly. >> you went to his parents house after the funeral, and his mom was sobbing on the couch, and

his dad took you to his room and said you could. if there's something you want from of kent's, you can you can take something. and you, you didn't take anything. >> you know, i wasn't sure what to do. i mean, i was. you know, very upset myself, but then realizing, oh, my god, what does this mean for them? later i went back to that that house many times. i never did take any mementos. probably i should have taken something. >> bill gates was grieving, but it was nearly summer and he had to finish the school scheduling project before classes started in the fall. so he reached out to paul allen, who had graduated from lakeside and just completed his freshman year of college. >> i get paul back to help me. he comes and works with me. that summer. >> this is when the idea for microsoft took root. it started with a conversation about chips,

microprocessor chips. each one is essentially the brains of a computer. and as they got smaller, cheaper and more powerful, gates and allen knew so too would computers. >> we were like, how come everybody's not not amazed by this? this wild thing. and i said to paul, this will change the world. computing will be effectively free and it'll be used for all these things. and that's the foundation of our. hey, we are going to take this insight about software and microprocessors. we're going to do something. and so that dialog starts with paul while i'm still in high school. >> well, they talked to the future. they were getting better at programing every day. >> towards the end of my high school years, a company that was doing a very complex piece of software, trw was looking for people who were good at doing that. this was using computers

to control the electricity grid. and so you were turning on and off grid lines. uh, and it had to be incredibly reliable because the electricity system has to run all the time. and so they offered a job, uh, to me. and fortunately, my parents agreed. so i actually took a large part of my senior year and went and worked on this really neat software project where a lot of very, very good developers would tell me when my code was good and when it wasn't. >> by then, paul allen had dropped out of college and continued working with gates, but his college career was just about to begin. gates had gotten into harvard, the personal computer. at what point is that something that is in your head of this is what is actually going to happen. >> i want a computer that i can use to keep my notes to help me

edit documents. and so a little bit, the personal computers born out of the what do i want? >> but is that something that harvard you're thinking of or had you started it before. >> in high school? it's much more wow, computing is going to be pervasive at harvard, though. the idea that, okay, it's going to be so cheap, and that's the first time paul and i wrote down a computer on every desk and in every home. when we're saying, maybe i should drop out and go for it, we see it as a computer that will be pervasive, not just sitting in the back room processing monthly billing accounts. and so we start talking about, okay, when are we going to make this happen? then when the first personal computer comes out, the altair on the january 1975 popular mechanics magazine. >> yeah, it was january 1975,

popular electronics on their cover. >> altair 8800. it's happening without us. until then. you know, i thought we had all the time in the world. i could maybe even finish college, but then that is this event that, oh, my god, it's time to write software. >> the altair was a kit computer, a box of hardware pieces a hobbyist could buy for under $400 and build what would become a personal computer. bill gates and paul allen guessed that the software for this microcomputer, as it was called back then, hadn't been written. you see that cover? and how does that change things for you? >> it's happening without us. we have to get out of here. it's boston, it's cold winter. the software for that computer. we have got to be the ones that get there first. >> it's like the ultimate fomo. >> yeah.

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that we took lsd a few times. >> how what was what is bill gates like on lsd? >> about as crazy as anyone. a funny thing that happens later is that steve jobs comments in some interview that bill gates has such bad design instinct, it's too bad he never took lsd. and i'm like, come on, i got the wrong batch. i got the right software batch. you got the good logo, good marketing badge, god. i wish i'd had both of. >> them. in early 1975, bill gates and paul allen used their programing skills to write one of the first computer software programs for a microcomputer, the altair. the software instructions written in the computer language basic, was punched onto that strip of paper tape. the tape was then fed into a teletype machine connected to the microcomputer. the company that made the altair, called mits, wanted to license their software, and so bill gates and

paul allen set up their first office in albuquerque, new mexico, where mits was located, and decided to call their new venture microsoft. your office is in a strip mall. it's got like a laundromat. there's a massage parlor. it's not a place you would imagine the revolution to begin. >> no. if you go there, it's about as podunk as you get. it's like, oh, this. >> is like a scene out of breaking bad is what i'm envisioning. paul allen moved to albuquerque full time, but bill gates tried to continue as a student at harvard while also building microsoft. >> i'm trying to figure out, can i hire enough people that i can stay in school? and so i actually do go back, but then it's not working out, and i, i really i've got to go be full time at microsoft. but i was torn because my time at harvard was fun. i mean, you would sit up at night and about anything

with all sorts of smart people, and the classes were good. the professors were nice to me. i loved harvard. >> he went back and forth, but finally dropped out of harvard his junior year. microsoft wasn't the only new company focused on personal computers. they quickly ran into others jockeying for position in this new world. like steve jobs and steve wozniak, who'd founded a small company in 1976 called apple. but they were focused on hardware, making the actual computers. >> when we move out to albuquerque, we're driving around creating computer clubs, and one of those that actually was one of the few that that was there before we got there was called the homebrew computer club. and that's where wozniak is showing a thing called the apple one. there were only a few of those ever made. at one point he was going to write a full blown basic, but he never got around to it, so they ended up

buying, uh, the microsoft basic. >> the apple two was part of the so-called 1977 trinity. three of the very first personal computers to hit the market. >> the radio shack, the commodore and the apple two, the three big personal computers all had microsoft basic built built into them. >> three of the first pcs out of the gate, and they all used microsoft software. as the company grew. >> that's ridiculous. i'm not using this thing. somebody's confused. somebody's just not thinking. i mean, there's no way. >> to figure. >> it out. you guys never understood. you never understood. >> its young president was getting a reputation for being rude and hard driving. this is ed roberts, the man whose company made the altair. speaking with nbc in 1995.

>> he's always sort of arrogant, always hard to get along with. uh. always sort of a know it all. even when even when he was. even when he was wrong. >> allen would later write in his memoir, idea man, if you hadn't thought through your position or bill was just in a lousy mood, he'd resort to his classic putdown. that's the stupidest effing thing i've ever heard. he went on to write. he was growing into the taskmaster who would prowl the parking lot on weekends to see who'd made it in. he write. my social side would be slow to develop, as would my awareness of the impact i can have on other people. but that has come with age, with experience. your dad said you were mean at nine. your management style was criticized by some. do you see that as a continuation of you as a kid, the way you were built? >> well, i think you develop a way of dealing with your own mistakes, like, oh god, that's so stupid, or oh, i should have worked harder on that. then as i

create microsoft and i'm hiring people, i'm sort of applying my toughness on myself to the people who are working for me. and it took me a while to realize that that's too harsh of a style for most people. so yes, i had to moderate the way i manage myself to be more motivational, and particularly as the company gets big, you know, year by year, i have to learn to grow into this. ceo role. you know that eventually i'm managing tens of thousands of people, and i made plenty of mistakes along the way. i was lucky i, you know, got a bunch of people who, uh. by example, helped me make that evolution. >> coming up. >> a major milestone. >> the man who helped orchestrate the first computer revolution weighs in on the

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>> three. >> two one. here it is. >> bill gates's intelligence and relentless drive helped fuel the personal computer revolution. >> our vision is that there will be a personal computer on every desktop, and it will be the key tool for the information age. >> microsoft, the company that started as an idea between two friends at a seattle high school, is now in the top 15 of fortune 500 companies and one of the biggest tech companies in the u.s. you're not somebody who looks back a lot. >> that's right. whenever we have anniversaries, i'm always like, well, let's just talk about what we're going to do in the next period of time. >> but as microsoft is about to turn 50 and gates is about to turn 70, he is looking back. he recently talked with students at his old school, lakeside. >> high. >> hey. >> hello. >> you know, if i hadn't been lucky enough to come to lakeside, there's no way. you know, i would have found myself at the beginning of the computer

age. you know, understanding software and understanding that computers would improve very rapidly. uh, you know, i met kent evans here. i meet paul allen here. >> had kent not died? do you think you would have gone into business with him? >> yeah. almost certainly. i mean, it's very hard to predict, but that's our childhood. brainstorming was we were going to go and do something together. >> would there have been a microsoft? >> well, it's hard when you change things. no. you know, you could end up going down a different path. >> gates stepped down as ceo of microsoft in 2000 and announced he'd focus on the foundation he'd started with his then wife, melinda. it's now known as the gates foundation. after his divorce in 2021. >> the idea. >> of inexpensive. tools to protect you from getting hiv. >> gates says the foundation has given more than $100 billion to

solve problems related to global health, education and climate change. hiv and polio were what he chose to highlight in a conversation with president donald trump when they met shortly before his inauguration. what was your your time at mar-a-lago like? >> president trump couldn't have been nicer. he asked questions. you know, i chose the hiv work and the polio work as the the two things i wanted to highlight that not only could he support great work that was ongoing, but that he could accelerate the innovation. he could, you know, help get polio eradicated. he could help get this cure for hiv to be a real thing. >> thank you very much. we had a busy day. we're. >> since that meeting, the new president has put a freeze on almost all global spending. and with the help of elon musk, is trying to shutter u.s. aid, the organization that administers

american humanitarian efforts overseas. all this has put a u.s. government program which gates supports, called pepfar, in jeopardy. over the past two decades, it's invested more than $100 billion to prevent and treat hiv aids in developing nations and has saved the lives of more than 20 million people. if pepfar stopped, what would happen? >> uh, you'd have up to 10 million deaths. if it was stopped abruptly. you know, i thought the argument would be about could we cut it by 10% over the next several years? >> elon musk. he's called usaid a criminal organization. he talked about it's a radical left political psyop to you. what is the importance of usaid and the u.s. giving aid to people in need around the world? >> well, usaid, plays a super important role in dispensing our aid budget, which is less than 1% of the government budget overall. uh, it's work that saves millions of lives. and,

you know, helps, uh, strengthen relationships for the united states. and i'm not, you know, against some degree of tuning, but, you know, having all those people, uh, not come in to work and characterizing the whole thing, uh, in a negative way. i'm a little disappointed in that. >> well, gates is focusing on his global philanthropic efforts. microsoft, the company he co-founded, is focusing on artificial intelligence. >> the a.i. is becoming more accurate, but this is the most profound technical advance in my lifetime. it is greater than, you know, chip's personal computers really is bigger than the internet, bigger than all those things, because it's degree of matching and exceeding human intelligence, both in a sort of for white collar type activities, but also through robots, for blue collar activities. it'll be a profound

change agent, and it is moving faster than i expected. this is pretty novel, and both exciting in terms of taking the shortage of doctors and teachers and helping with that, but also reshaping how we think about jobs and work. >> does it scare you at all? >> yes. >> what scares you? >> there's a great meaning and purpose that comes from these jobs. as the computers get better and better, understanding what role they play versus humans and, you know, do we shorten the work week? do we let some people not work at all? it's pretty profound. so over the next five years, almost entirely good things. but as you get into the ten years and beyond, it's so powerful that how we shape it and maintain, you know, purpose, values, uh, coherency. uh, it's this is a

big challenge for humanity. the basic level of. >> big challenge already being faced by kids at lakeside, kids fascinated by the future of computing. >> i'm kellen, i'm one of the leaders on the andromeda a.i. project. >> yeah, i don't know what an andromeda is. >> we were sort of seeing that a lot of the top a.i. tools are all very expensive and can be hard to access for a lot of the students, and so we sort of created a unified platform where students can have, you know, chatgpt, gemini, al-awd, all of the top models. so we were sort of trying to bridge the divide between the students who had access to those tools and who didn't have access to them. >> what would you tell somebody now in high school who has the same aspirations, has the same intelligence that you had at that age? >> in my day, it was easy to envy the kids who were naturally sociable and, you know, great football players or those things. uh, and, you know, people even say the revenge of

the nerds, that, you know, those of us with down in the computer room, we sort of. >> have you watched that. >> movie, by. >> the way? yeah, absolutely. >> looking the computer's great. i mean, it's, uh, it's godlike in a way. >> were you a consultant on that. >> movie? >> just by my. >> life, that's all. >> okay. >> it's nice now that you can see different learning styles or approaches can be rewarded. if you're, you know, able to discipline yourself and, you know, focus on the right things. uh, it can become a superpower.