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it is 6 a.m. here on the east coast. a live look at the washington monument here in the nation's capital, where we are all just waking up. good morning everyone. i'm audie cornish, and thank you for waking up with me. now, just days after getting berated at the white house, ukrainian president zelenskyy received the royal treatment in the u.k., the u.s. and europe. now at a historic crossroads over how to end russia's war on ukraine. britain's king charles extended a warm welcome to zelenskyy, meeting with him for more than an hour on sunday. leaders across europe held an emergency summit in london, where they stood shoulder to shoulder with ukraine's president, a reception far different than that in the oval office on friday. >> you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having cards, playing cards right now, you don't. you're playing cards, you're playing cards. you're gambling with the lives of millions of people.

>> we will go further to develop a coalition of the willing to defend a deal in ukraine and to guarantee the peace. >> so what happens now? because this means that for the first time since world war ii, the role of the u.s. as the anchoring power has come into question. washington and its european allies are now disagreeing on some major strategic questions. they disagree on how to end the war in ukraine. on whether russia is a friend or foe. and even if the u.s. can be counted on going forward. >> we urgently have to rearm europe. it is now of utmost importance to step up the defense investment for a prolonged period of time. >> joining me now to talk about all of this, jonah goldberg, cnn political commentator and co-founder of the dispatch. astead herndon, cnn political analyst and national politics reporter at the new york times. and lulu garcia, cnn contributor and new york times journalist,

also host of the podcast the interview. i want to thank you all for being here. so, jonah, i want to start with you. over the weekend, you heard republicans talking a lot about whether zelenskyy should apologize. like what is necessary to bring putin to the table? and a pretty exasperated marco rubio kind of saying, like, look, we got to get putin there. what do you make of like how they are trying to get putin there? >> um, i think it's a little bewildering. i watched marco rubio this weekend saying how, um, i think he literally said, we have to have peace before we can get them to the negotiating table. and it seemed like they got the causality a little backwards. yeah. um. look. for decades, american foreign policy eggheads debated who lost china. and i think for the first time in our lives since, i think i'm the oldest person here. um, we are seeing the beginning of what could be the debate of who lost europe. and, uh, this is serious stuff. i think the u.s. was right to lecture europe for

years about rearming and getting tougher. but this is not the way to. >> do it. let me bring in lulu for a second. i know you watch marco rubio carefully in terms of how he talks about this publicly. senator, what do you make of this? >> uh, i was pretty shocked. this is the son of cuban political exiles. and the idea that he is having to be so deferential to putin. um, so. uh, pushing a foreign policy that is upending everything that the united states has stood for, i think is pretty shocking. and i think that what we're going to be seeing going forward. there's been a lot of bets by people like me, like how long rubio is going to last in this cabinet, because. >> are you in that pool? >> i mean, i get why the bets are going because it does seem like a team of rival pool. i'm one. not in this pool. no. >> maybe not. i mean, the bets are going, but like everybody, he seemed to be the one that wasn't going to last that long, right? like, because he, you

know, he stood for something very different. um, in terms of his foreign policy, he was very hawkish. he was very anti russia. he was he had spoken very, you know, forcefully against vladimir putin. and so to have to be pushing this now seems very, very kind of a complete about face. and so you know that's the question. >> that's the kind of about-face trump requires. right. like that. the rubio's 180 is a similar 180 that a lot of republicans have been forced to do, because it's the position this administration has put them in. i think the kind of lecturing of zelenskyy was a bet that you could see coming from the trail. right. this was a this is a fight. >> i think everyone at home was like, what the heck is going on? >> i guess. >> usually they're so performative, right? world leaders, when they meet. >> the tone and the space. but the message is one that they've been saying over and over and one and it's a course correction they have wanted to pick to believe that this was this was this. i'm not saying it. i'm not saying i'm not saying it doesn't make it shocking, but i am saying the result is a recalibration, a fight that they have chosen. i mean, that was a

trap that they set to make. yeah. >> entirely agree with that. i mean, look, i thought what happened on friday was appalling, but for 40 minutes it was fairly conciliatory where the problem was i think it has more i agree with you. the larger they want to fight with europe, this is good for them. but i blame more vance than they do trump on this. and i. >> do think that was the intention. >> i think look, it's first of all, it's just sort of when was the last time a vice president chimed up in a pool spray with a foreign leader? was a very strange thing, right? this thing should have been two minutes long. that's what pool sprays normally are. trump through self indulgence and through incompetence, and through the lack of some grown up in the room. some professional says, okay, thanks everybody. send the press out there. obviously we have some stuff to work out. let it go for 40 minutes. and then vance waited for his moment to just start playing with matches. >> why did he do it? he did it because of, i think, the elon factor. and i think he wants to show his own influence. and because this is something that he wanted. >> meaning vance needs to show i'm a part of this. >> i'm a part of this administration. >> we've got lots of great

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reflect the harsh reality that we have been enduring for decades and still resist, as we call on the world, to take serious actions to stop the injustice and to stop the ethnic cleansing of palestinian people. >> that was one of the few political moments of the night, as the award show mostly stayed on purpose, away from anything too contentious. joining me now, cnn entertainment reporter lisa france. so, lisa, i want to talk to you just very briefly to say that the chief of the oscars was like, please don't talk about politics. so that was like out of the gate, a stated goal. >> yes. and people seem to pretty much for the most part, stick to that. and it helped the night feel pretty light. you know, i mean, conan o'brien definitely met the moment. he was funny. he was dancing. >> he was doing his pratfalls. >> managed to get a drake and kendrick lamar joke in. >> and that's really the only requirement at this point for a pop culture moment. >> absolutely.

>> okay. so norah is a film about a basically a sex worker who who falls in love with the son of a russian oligarch and their attempts to get a divorce. wackiness ensues. now, not a lot of people saw this film. >> they will now. >> but it took. it took everything. >> it did. it was a sweep. mikey madison was such a surprise. a lot of people thought demi moore was going to win for best actress because she had. >> won some awards. >> she had won some prior awards. right? exactly. exactly. but the thing about honor is that it reminds us exactly what last night reminded us of. the love of film. right? the love of movies. and it feels like for a really long time, everything that's been successful at the box office has either been a reboot or a franchise. >> so here's the thing. remember, they expanded the best picture. nominee category. in fact, because of black panther. it was a sense that, like popcorn films should be rewarded. so what do you make of the fact that it was the smaller films that won again? >> i feel like people are

leaning into authenticity. people are leaning more into creativity. and this film had that. and, you know, we saw sean baker when he got his when they won the award for best film and he gave his speech. he really talked about the need to for people to return to the theater to see films. and i feel like from the beginning to the end. >> hearing him say it versus hearing like the guy who made avatar. >> exactly. >> and you're like, okay, sure. you go to the films, right? >> sean baker sean baker did everything for this, which is why he won so many awards. you know, he wrote, he directed, he edited. >> but can i talk about some of the ones that we had? zoe saldaña. yes. when for was it best supporting actress? >> best supporting actress for emilia pérez. and that film went in with the most nominations with 13. >> oscar campaign completely fell apart under the weight of old tweets. yes it did. yes it did. >> because., yes. because social media is forever and people have a tendency to forget that. >> your timelines. please do. please do. your timelines.

>> so it ended up only winning two awards. zoe. and then also for best original song. so it was not the night that they were expecting, but again, with nora. what i'm seeing a lot of people say is it felt good to see a film that people were so passionate about making get rewarded, but. >> that the criticism, some people say, when they expanded the pool of voters and the attempt to diversify, they brought in a lot of international language voters. and that that may be the reason why there were so many international films and films. people really hadn't seen that appeal to a u.s. audience. what's your take on that? >> i think sometimes people do split the vote, but i think in this case, this was a film that when you looked at the guilds like the directors guild and things like that, they loved this film. yeah. and and. >> it is an american film. >> it is an american film. right. and i think that this now gives people the opportunity to notice this film, because i've been calling it the little film that could, should and did. >> and keep an eye on mikey madison dressed last night in a

nod to audrey hepburn. gorgeous. which the vibe is breakfast at tiffany's. if we're talking about old sex worker films, i think. >> love, exactly. >> pretty woman. >> pretty woman. right. >> okay. thank you. france. thank you for being here. thank you. straight ahead on cnn this morning. what are they going to find today? doge will release its report on whether to cut inside the defense department. plus, european leaders describing it as a crossroads in history. we've got democratic senator andy kim joining us to discuss the fallout from ukrainians, from the ukrainian president's trip to washington. >> amid upheaval and sweeping changes. >> the president of the united states. >> trump heads to capitol hill to share what's next. follow cnn for complete coverage and in-depth analysis. the presidential address to congress tomorrow at eight on cnn. >> to follow your heart, you need to think ahead. at ubs, we

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proposal, leading to the stoppage of aid altogether into the palestinian enclave. and today, the pentagon reveals how deep the doge cuts will go at the defense department. defense secretary pete hegseth says 8% of the budget, roughly $50 billion, will immediately be pulled from non-lethal programs. more than 5000 probationary workers are also expected to lose their jobs as a result. elon musk and his doge chainsaw may be cutting a little too deep for some of you. regardless of your party. republican senator roger marshall of kansas, for example, just held a town hall over the weekend where he took a lot of heat, and in fact, he just got up and left. >> a huge percentage of those people. and i know you care about the veterans. are veterans. yes. and that is a shame. yes, i do got two more commitments today. appreciate everybody making the drive out. and god bless america. thank

you. thank you. >> you're not done. our. >> the question for democrats. how do they harness that growing anger and resentment. >> republicans flood the zone. democrats have to flood the zone. they flood the zone with lies. we flood the zone with truth. >> i want to bring in democratic senator andy kim of new jersey, formerly served as part of the national security council. i want to get to some of the reaction for democrats in a moment. but first, i want to ask you quickly about that conversation with ukraine's president on friday. you now have, over the weekend, european countries basically gathering together and saying, look, we can't count on american deterrence. do you think that is the message that has been sent going forward? >> well, i was at the munich security conference where vice president vance gave one of the most shameful speeches i've heard in person about just basically the withdrawal of

america from the world. and i had a european leader ask me if russia were to attack a nato country, would america fulfill its article five collective security defense. >> which is almost the point of nato? >> yeah. and the only time it's ever been invoked was for the defense of the united states after nine over 11. and i don't have an answer to that right now. in fact, i felt like what we saw in the oval office with zelenskyy was an answer to that. i don't think america would actually fulfill its nato requirements, especially as we see now elon musk and others talking about, you know, america pulling america out of nato. i mean, this is something that, you know, the fact that this all happened in the oval office, right in front of a of a bust of winston churchill that trump so proudly puts in the oval office. i mean, it just shows how detached he is. you know, the the idea that he's literally turning his back, destroying the transatlantic. >> alliance right now, you don't have, for instance, sanctions haven't been canceled on russia as far as i know. like, what's the difference between policy and rhetoric? and is there an opening there to

have a more robust conversation in the senate, where there are still republicans who are kind of russia hawks? >> well, i hope so. but i have to say, it's a sad thing when we have a commander in chief whose rhetoric we can't necessarily take as policy because he is so unpredictable and so rash. but yes, there are senators that i've talked to, including some that i went to munich security conference with. >> republicans, democrats. >> republicans that that still believe in the transatlantic alliance. you know, have deep concerns about russia and are uncertain why it is we're making so many concessions. i mean, russia is, you know, has a it has a gdp the size of spain with three times the population of spain. they are not a superpower. we should not be bowing down and doing whatever vladimir putin wants us to do. >> now you're here in part because i think democrats are trying to get out there more and have a counter message to trump. and we heard earlier, senator murphy, saying all it takes to combat, for instance, doge in the defense, in the government efficiency cuts in the trump

administration is to flood the zone with truth. now, as someone who's a journalist and watched several years of people who do fact checking and misinformation basically be vilified, is that true? like, is that what democrats need to do? >> well, what i do think we need to make sure we're engaged deeply. and what i would say is, is we've got to go out and talk to the american people. you know, i was back in new jersey this past weekend. uh, you know, i had an event raising the concerns about medicaid cuts, uh, raising the concerns about, you know, cuts to nih health care spending. i went to talk to community of people with disabilities that are worried about, you know, those. >> types of a town hall. we've talked in the past about talking to people one on one. and i'm. >> glad to see that the american people are giving an earful to some of my republican colleagues that. >> republicans are saying those people are just sort of organized protest. >> well, yeah, i mean, look, they said the same thing in 2017 when there were all these protests against their efforts to gut the affordable care act. but that works. that matters.

it's important for people to see constituents standing up to their elected leaders, and also trying to make sure we can channel that energy. not only did i, you know, do events about medicaid cuts, but i also helped. moderate a forum like a town hall forum for gubernatorial candidates in new jersey. we have an election coming up in new jersey. >> that what resonates, because i feel like the complete and total lack of sympathy for federal workers has been building for more than a decade, and it's just sort of a hard argument to make to say, look, feel bad for the people in the capital city that has been, you know, wealthy districts for all this time. there's like a little bit of antipathy there. >> well, you know, i think what we focus in on is, is not just, you know, we need to make sure that the democratic party is not a party that's trying to defend the status quo. you know, the american people believe that politics and governance is broken. so do i. i mean, i think that there's a lot of problems out there, but we have to show is, yes, we want to see change. but what we're seeing from trump is going to make us less secure,

less prosperous as a nation. these tariffs that are going in 62% or more americans, percent of americans believe that the tariffs are going to raise prices because it's true. you know, when trump says we're going to have these tariffs and you're not going to have to pay a dime towards it, that's the same thing as what he did with saying mexico is going to pay for the wall. you know, this is a lie that he's telling the american people and they're starting to see through it. >> before i let you go, president trump is going to address the congress in a joint session. democrats are planning to bring some federal workers with them, some laid off federal workers. this is a little different from trying to, like, do a boycott. et cetera. what do you think the response needs to be? what do you think the behavior needs to be in the room? >> well, right now, i mean, i will be attending. i will bring as my guest someone from my my home county that has disabilities, someone who is dependent upon medicaid for so much of his ability to survive.

and i really think that that's where we need to hone in on. you know, i really do think that what we see with this reconciliation bill is disastrous for the republicans ahead. and we have to show the american people the damage and the harm to them. and i'm hopeful that we'll be able to get that message out there. >> senator kim, thank you so much for spending the morning with us. thanks for having me. appreciate it. so, will new york city go with the former governor who left office because of a sexual harassment scandal, or maybe the sitting mayor who faced federal corruption charges? or will new yorkers or curve ball pick someone else? the new york city mayor's race is now heating up. and andrew cuomo is officially in the running after leaving office in disgrace in 2021. he is now the favorite. >> we need. >> more police. >> in our subways, more police. >> in our high crime areas. >> more police to stop the number. >> of recidivists. >> because nothing works if people don't feel safe. we're here today for one reason. we are here because we love new

york. >> and we know new. >> york city is in trouble. you can feel it. you don't need to read statistics. >> you can feel it. >> cuomo's comeback sets up a clash with current mayor eric adams. adams is facing intense scrutiny after the trump led justice department directed prosecutors to drop corruption charges against him. kevin frey is here. is he's the washington correspondent for spectrum news new york one. kevin, did i say your last name? right? frey. okay, good. it's kevin frey, i knew it, i was like, kevin's mom is going to come for me. okay, so i feel like, what a difference five years makes, right? post pandemic. here we are coming up on that anniversary in march. um, and i feel like the cuomo name became a household name in particular as a result of that time. but the fall was pretty dramatic. related. well, let's just call the metoo allegations, right? sexual harassment. so is it

really fertile ground for him to return? what's the opening? he sees? >> right. so i mean, it's like which. >> version of andrew cuomo do people remember? is it the cuomo that during the pandemic, when everyone was in chaos and the white house was providing a lot of mixed messaging, to put it delicately? andrew cuomo provided a lot of, shall we say, reassurance with his daily press conferences that were flooded the zone across the entire country to air here on cnn. or other major networks, or do they remember the one that fell in disgrace with the various allegations of sexual harassment, with various questions about how he handled particulars of the pandemic? when it comes to nursing. >> i feel like new york is where the vibe shift happened on me to like, post al franken stepping down the backlash from democratic donors. et cetera. to kirsten gillibrand, who called for him to step down like if there was ever a sort of little corner of democratic politics that started to be like, is that a big deal? maybe we, you know, we're getting rid of good guys

like, it's new york. >> yeah. and on top of that, i think it's worth noting that, look, new york has seen and this is kind of why i think cuomo sees an opening. there's a lot of chaos just in the political sphere because of what's going on with eric adams. so to have a reassuring, familiar face that can dominate and run roughshod over the i don't want to say second tier candidates, but second tier candidates that are less of a recognizable. >> name jumped in. correct. let me play for you a clip of eric adams. he's obviously mired in the scandal for the idea that charges were dropped against him, basically because he told the trump administration he'd play ball on their immigration rules. here's his reaction to facing cuomo in new york's june democratic primary. >> i don't know what. >> who said it, but it's a famous quote come one, come all. you know, we all got to come out. we can't hide in the shadows. we have to come out and give our real positions. and so i'm looking forward to it. this is campaign season. >> it is campaign season. >> i mean that to me, i don't i mean that's you know, yeah, i'm

showing that i'm fine. yeah i spoke to jeffrey and part of it is that so hakeem jeffries, top democrat in the house, represents part of brooklyn. he told me that people might be interested in hearing from andrew cuomo. and when i asked if it would be good for new york, that's kind of what he pivoted to. he wouldn't say one way or the other. he was basically riding the fence. part of this is, i think he sees in his own backyard in brooklyn, as well as in queens, the potential for cuomo to take up some of the votes that maybe shifting away from eric adams, which would be those black voters in those constituencies. >> which is a. >> very nice. >> vibe, the kind of law and order black democrat. i feel like we're seeing that return robustly in new york. >> right. and so if he can siphon off a fair percentage of those in a primary that is a wide field, and on top of that, there is the component of this being a ranked choice voting sort of situation where people can give their second and third tier options. that could, if you have a big name that everyone knows and he has name i.d. that's across the board that could benefit him in the end. now, there are other

complicating factors. could the council speaker get in? adrienne adams, who might also appeal to the. >> same black voters, know that we may not know out here, but may have some real appeal, perhaps. >> and the question is, does her name i.d. resonate quite as far and quite frankly, the answer is no from the get go. >> okay. all right. well hold on for i will see. okay. kevin, thank you so much for joining us after the break on cnn this morning. a known vaccine vaccine skeptic advocating for vaccines. rfk jr.'s plea as the measles outbreak spreads. plus revenge porn. didn't think we'd be talking about that at 6 a.m. in the morning. up next, how melania trump plans to use her platform to shine a light on the victims. we'll talk about all that and more next. >> this is my coffee shop. we just moved into a bigger space, brought on another employee and ordered new branded gear for the team. it was so easy. i just

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following friday's disastrous oval office meeting with president trump. but as he wrapped up his whirlwind visit with european partners in london, zelenskyy publicly remains confident in the u.s. relationship going forward. >> as regards. >> to salvaging the relationship that you asked about. i think that our relationship will continue because this is more than relationships. however, everyone can see how ukraine is fighting for its independence and freedom, and we are grateful to the people of the united states. >> however, trump allies on capitol hill seem to be casting doubt on whether or not zelenskyy can remain as ukraine's leader after the public blowup. >> well. >> something has to change. either he needs. >> to come to his senses and come back to the table in gratitude, or someone else needs to lead the country to do that. i mean, it's up to the ukrainians to figure that out. >> cheering on the fallout from all of this. russia's leaders, kremlin spokesman dmitry peskov telling russian media this on

sunday, quote, the new u.s. administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations, and this largely coincides with our vision. joining me now to talk about this, alexander vindman, a retired lieutenant colonel and former director for european affairs on the national security council. he's also the author of a new book, the folly of realism how the west deceived itself about russia and betrayed ukraine. so, lieutenant colonel vindman, thank you for being here. we all know your name because you reported on the phone call between trump and zelenskyy during his first un administration, and that led to impeachment hearings. what was familiar to you about their interaction on friday? >> there was a significant element of deja vu, frankly. i put myself in this back in the seat in the white house and thought about the damage control that all the professional staff, frankly, even the political staff that were not entirely aligned with the president, were going to have to undertake. frankly, this administration is also very different. last time around, there were there was

wise counsel saying, mr. president, we need to adjust this, this, this is not going to be good for you. now you have basically folks toadying up to donald trump and catering to him and frankly, feeding his sense of impunity, feeding his sense of emboldening him so that he continues to act aggressively. but i felt a lot of that, you know, visceral reaction from just the sheer chaos of that moment. it was gut wrenching to watch. >> okay. some people say chaos is a ladder. so i'm going to move on to what europe is trying to do. the british ambassador actually spoke about the deal falling through. he's now urging zelenskyy to go back to trump. >> yeah, i think the fact is. >> after what happened on friday. we it's clear that we need to bring the united states and ukraine back together again. and i think the first thing that president zelenskyy can do is to make clear his commitment to the initiative that president trump is taking. and yes, i do think it would be a good idea if he

signed the economic and commercial deal put forward by the united states. >> rahel solomon you said you support the idea of this minerals deal. zelenskyy says he wants to sign the deal. but now you've got republicans out there saying, hey, maybe he should resign. who comes to the table first and under what conditions? is it as simple as an apology? >> i don't know if this is going to play out in the course of days. if it plays out over the course of weeks or maybe even months, that's not necessarily a bad thing, that some of the tempers could simmer down. the reality is that this is a deal that's good for the u.s., it's good for the u.s. wants this deal. we want the rare earths. we also want the hook of having something to do with ukraine that's more than just, you know, advancing the cause of democracy. the ukrainians want the same thing because they want the u.s. involved. the reason this blew up is because the personalities blew up because of hotheads not on the zelenskyy side who's cool, calm, collected. it was jd vance spewing lies about who the aggressors were, what the roles

of the parties were, and zelenskyy couldn't do that. he couldn't accept that rhetoric. he couldn't accept that line. why? because he's his most important constituency is at home. his most important constituency are the soldiers fighting on the front lines that need to see that their president is strong and defending their interests. it's also crossed the border. and putin that putin needs to know that this is an iron unbreakable will for the ukrainian people, demonstrated by zelenskyy. >> he's not seeing that now, right? he's seeing a break. you're talking about personalities. secretary of state marco rubio saying that president trump is, in fact, the only man who can bring vladimir putin to the table. >> yeah. >> how does it end? it's very simple. the only way it ends is if vladimir putin comes to a negotiating table. and right now, president trump is the only person on earth who has any chance whatsoever of bringing him to a table to see what it is he would be willing to end the war on. now, maybe their claims are what they want. their demands will be unreasonable. we don't know, but we have to bring them to the table.

>> your family is from ukraine. they fled the soviet union in 1991. do you see this ending with ukraine still being a sovereign, independent nation? >> absolutely. my family fled in 79 when i was four years old. >> so this trump relationship. >> i think so the thing is that there is a misunderstanding about the relative power on the ground in ukraine. russia does not have all the advantages. russia is having an enormous challenges on the battlefield that over the long term are not sustainable. they still have some advantages in the short term because of their size, because their economy. but the europeans are going to step up and they're going to be there. the folly of realism is the fact that we keep making the same mistakes over and over. we keep thinking that, you know, we need we need to somehow convince russia by appeasement, by accommodation to come to the table. that's not what's going to happen here. that type of approach has resulted in failure and have had russia escalate from just mischief making to

hybrid warfare, interfering elections to outright aggression. and we're we're it's almost as if none of the lessons of the past have come through this administration. >> your book is called the folly of realism. but the truth is, we are in a realism moment. or some have said, a transactionalism moment. so is there is there anything here you kind of agree with with the trump administration? >> i hope that i keep trying to puzzle through if there is any chance that this approach is going to work. and fundamentally, what i see is russia's hand being strengthened, strengthened, ukraine's and europe's hand being undermined. i don't see how that brings russia to the table. it means russia banks what it gets and doubles down. this approach from the trump administration may be the only way it could work, is because trump is doing so much damage on his own. breaking these alliances on his own that putin believes he has got time to to muck around. you know, two years in or three years into the administration and really take another bite at the apple after he strengthens himself. but to me, it doesn't make sense. this approach, when you have russia

saying explicitly that the interests are converging, you know, applauding the trump administration, that that can't be a good thing. >> well, lieutenant colonel vindman, thank you so much for for being here. this is great context. be sure to check out his new book. it's called the folly of realism how the west deceived itself and russia and betrayed ukraine. it's 50 more 54 minutes past the hour. i want to give you your morning roundup of some of the stories you need to get your day going. catholics from around the world flocking to rome to pray for pope francis. the 88 year old pontiff is now off of a noninvasive mechanical ventilation. he's now just hospitalized where he's been for the last two weeks. sources from the vatican telling cnn that while the pope is in stable condition, a, quote, risk of crisis remains. and hhs secretary robert f. kennedy jr., vaccine skeptic, penning an op ed asking people to get their measles shot amid an outbreak. while he says it is a personal

decision, he also writes vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons. and there's this. >> well. >> they're saying i'm firing people with no cause. but i do have cause it's cause i feel like, oh, god, what? >> another member of the trump administration is getting the saturday night live treatment. yes, that is snl legend mike myers donning a tech support t-shirt and crashing the oval office as elon musk. myers has now appeared twice this season on snl after a 20 year absence from the show. jonah, is that the right accent? >> it's a weird accent. it's close enough. >> okay, now, you may have heard of the term deepfake. it's a fake image or video made using artificial intelligence. but what if someone took that a step further and they do? using a.i. to make pornographic images.

prominent women like taylor swift have been the target of this. it's even targeted, frankly, kids in high school. >> i'm not going to lie, after i left the office, i was crying and i was walking the hallways. i saw a group of boys laughing at a group of girls who were crying. and that's when i realized i shouldn't be sad, but i should be mad. so i came home and i told my mom, and i said, we need to do something about this, because this is not fair to the girls and this is not okay. >> today, first lady melania trump, highlighting legislation aimed at protecting people from deepfake and revenge porn. this will be a first lady, melania trump, lady melania trump's first public speaking engagement since president donald trump returned to office. her last platform was be best, which was focused on cyber bullying. so i want to bring back my panel to talk about this for a minute. we're in a moment where comedy about a sex worker just won an oscar, so people are not prudes. can i start with you, lulu, though, about the first lady taking this on? >> i think it's a good thing. i

think the surprising. it's surprising. the devil's in the details. what will this legislation actually look like? what will it do? but what we've seen over and over again is that we don't really have legislation that's robust. this is a real issue. i have a young daughter who's 12 years old in middle school. and, you know, we've seen i sort of flood the internet and it is being used specifically by young kids to target other young kids. >> and the first lady has been the subject, frankly, of images, images sharing from her past. >> yeah, it does feel like an extension from the be best platform, and it does seem like a legitimate issue. i think i cannot imagine the scope of horrors it is to raise a child in this type of environment, and these are things that have only progressed in terms of their seriousness. so to me, it makes sense. a lot of reasons she's taking it on, and i think there'll be a lot of goodwill for it. honestly. >> very quickly. what are you keeping an eye on the rest of today? tomorrow? jonah, what are you listening for? not on this topic. on any topic. >> um, on whether or not basically the the, the, the

breach with ukraine can be at least in some face saving way mended. europeans are. >> scrambling for either an apology or a. >> something that looks like an apology, or something that looks like a deal that everyone can sort of say, aha, we're back at it. >> okay. astead herndon, new york times, tell me, what are you listening for? keeping an eye on the rest of today and tomorrow. >> i'm going to still journalists, just any sort of progress or change on that type of situation. i think what the trump administration has chosen to do was to thumb their nose in the kind of public way. what's the fallout of that? if there is a path to peace that should fall out from in this kind of week, and we should see a shift on that front. so i think any type of tangible move on in terms of zelenskyy and trump will be what i'm looking for. >> lulu garcia-navarro i'm glad i got to go number three, but i'm not going to repeat that because i've had time to think about it. um, um, so i would say actually two things. we're going to have trump speaking. i'm interested to see how the democrats. but yeah, what he is going to say, first of all, what

tone. >> i think congresswoman slotkin from michigan, who's going to rebut. >> exactly. and i want to see what kind of tone. first of all, he adopts, um, what his messaging is and then what the democrats do in response. so that's the first thing. and the second thing is what's happening in the middle east. very important. right now we have a breakdown of the ceasefire between gaza and the israeli government. what is that going to look like going forward? will it plunge the region into an extension of the war that will have ramifications here? >> countries getting together and talking about their own potential proposal for who should govern gaza going. >> lots of things happening there that that i think we should keep our eye on. >> the thing i'm obsessed with, frankly, are images from town halls. i came up as a reporter in the era of the tea party movement. we still have lawmakers born from that movement, right? like a ted cruz. et cetera. so it'll be interesting to see who's activated among people out there. i want to say thank you to our panel. thank you for being here, waking up with me for my first show. i'm audie cornish, cnn news central is