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means? >> it was humiliating. it's an embarrassment for the country. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn. >> happening now. global fallout. european leaders rallying around ukrainian president zelenskyy. president trump remaining defiant since that fiery oval office meeting. new reaction from the kremlin weighing. and this morning. >> and selling his agenda. president trump preparing for his address to a joint session of congress. but a new poll finding most americans believe he has not paid enough attention to the country's most important problems. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. an emboldened

kremlin lashing out big time this morning. it says europe's emergency summit to stand shoulder to shoulder with ukraine's volodymyr zelenskyy is not aimed at achieving peace. and even more remarkably, russia is saying washington's new tensions with ukraine show the u.s. is now coming into alignment with moscow. tomorrow, president trump will address a joint session of the u.s. congress, and america's traditional allies are increasingly worried about u.s. loyalties. they will be hanging on every word. let's first of all, go live to cnn reporter elena tryon. she's over at the white house for us. elena, has the white house responded yet to the latest comments coming out of the kremlin? >> we haven't heard a direct response to the kremlin and what they've been saying, wolf. but what we have heard is more defiance, really, and support and defense for what the president did on friday and the vice president in the oval office just this morning, we actually heard from national

security adviser michael waltz, who was saying, you know, agreeing that, you know, perhaps zelenskyy does not want peace. something we heard president donald trump say. and also continuing to double down that zelenskyy needs to do more in order for them to move forward with a peace deal. take a listen to how he put it. >> what we don't have right now is president zelenskyy saying, i am ready to take the steps necessary and have the conversations necessary and make the compromises necessary to end the fighting. go to a ceasefire, some permutation of what we essentially heard was he is not ready to talk about it at all. as though, you know, grinding this war forward for the years to come is truly an option. and it's not. so we're ready to have those conversations. we had it with the russians in riyadh. we're ready to have it with the ukrainians and then engage in shuttle diplomacy. but we need to hear that latter piece from zelenskyy, and we need to hear

it publicly. >> now, wolf, i also had the opportunity, along with some other reporters, to catch up with walt after that here at the white house. and he said that he encourages europe to move forward with ukraine and trying to find a peace deal as well. kind of the first we've heard from on that following that summit this weekend. but clearly there are still major questions about where the trump administration and the white house goes from here following kind of that, falling apart and dressing down of zelenskyy on friday. >> elena, what can you tell us? what are you hearing about president trump's address to a joint session of congress tomorrow night? >> well, look, they still want to keep some of this a surprise. and i'm told they're still working through the speech. when i talked to white house officials about it this morning. but one is i'm told they're going to have a heavy emphasis on his domestic policy and agenda looking forward. but then also, wolf, you know, wanting to highlight what they're arguing are his successes during his first five weeks in office. now, we did see the president kind of, you know, preview a little bit on social media this morning. he wrote this. he said,

quote, tomorrow night will be big. i will tell it like it is. so really just trying to, you know, set the stage. but, you know, one key question, of course, is and i know this from just, you know, two years of covering the president on the campaign trail is sometimes you have a prepared speech, and then donald trump gives a different one. a lot of eyes, of course, though not really. also watching what he is going to say about domestic policy, but specifically how is he going to address the global stage and how will he frame, what rhetoric will he use in talking about russia and ukraine just given, you know, the far different kind of rhetoric we've heard him use recently as it relates to ukraine, as we compare it to that of former president biden. wolf. >> we will, of course, all be watching alayna treene over at the white house. elena, thank you very, very much, pamela. >> all right, wolf, let's take a closer look now at all of this. joining us now is republican congressman mike turner of ohio. he sits on the armed services committee. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> so let's dive right into it.

not surprisingly, russia is dismissing this european emergency summit. it was a remarkable show of support for ukraine. how important was that gathering just two days after that oval office blowup? >> well, it's been it has been reported this was a planned gathering and the it certainly is important and it certainly is consistent with what donald trump has said and what the u.s. policy has been that the europeans need to pull together, show increased support and an increased contribution to ukraine and to the cause for ukraine. but i think what's also important here is that, um, you know, the europeans need to, you know, to counsel zelenskyy having just come off of this failed minerals and economics deal. you know, president zelenskyy showed up in the oval office for what was supposed to be a signing ceremony, um, for a minerals and economics deal. um, and he inappropriately turned that into a debate over american

security guarantees. um, as a precondition for, uh, you know, peace negotiations. he should have concluded the deal that he had negotiated. he flew here to to sign that deal, and instead he caused it to be a debate. and and it was a lost opportunity for him. >> i think there's there's. >> certainly a debate over who started this debate. right. because it was the vice president, jd vance, who initially, um, you know, pressed him and then, you know, it devolved from there. do you think that perhaps that deal should have been signed before he was he that pressure was put on him? i mean, what do you think? >> well, i think i think zelenskyy should have been focused on why he came. and, you know, certainly i think there's there's, you know, in the, in the tenor and tone that was in the room, there's plenty of, of blame to go around. but but zelenskyy came here with a sole purpose and that was to stand next to the president of united states, walk out with the deal that he had negotiated. um, he would have elevated ukraine and

walked out with a deal that was to the benefit of ukraine and to the benefit of zelenskyy. he would have been able to stand next to president trump and walk out with an elevated relationship between ukraine and the united states, and instead, he made the whole event about what is an impediment to the peace negotiations. and that is his concept of wanting a precondition of american security guarantees before peace negotiations. that's a cart before the horse. he should not be asking for those. a demand of a security guarantees before peace negotiations. >> you said there's a lot of blame. >> to go around. what do you mean by that? >> well, certainly the tenor in the room was was not the tenor that that should have have occurred. however, um, president zelenskyy should have been focused on the goal and objective of. of what what he could have achieved for ukraine. >> and i think, you know, europeans are clearly looking at this in terms of the emergency summit. they certainly rally around zelenskyy in a renewed

way after the meeting, regardless of them trying to figure out, you know, how they're going to move forward given this u.s. dynamic. you are the former chairman of the house intelligence committee. you've been a vocal advocate for robust military aid to ukraine. let's share what's on your website, as you say, as this administration. you know, this is happening as this administration distances itself from ukraine. you say, quote, when we talk about support for ukraine, it's not just about dollars and cents. it's about our shared values. if putin continues unchecked, he will not stop at ukraine. authoritarianism cannot win. so that's what's on your site. kremlin spokesman dmitry peskov says the u.s. is now largely aligned with moscow. does that concern you? >> first of all, it's absolutely not true. i mean. >> why is russia. >> saying that that's russia's perception. does that concern you? >> so russia can say what it wants. russia remains the evil empire. they're the ones who are killing an unbelievable number of ukrainians. um, they they are the aggressor here. um, and everyone, certainly the

europeans, the united states, have stood against their aggression. um, president trump has. and even in the oval office, he said, you know, this killing needs to stop. um, the the goal here is peace, both for the ukrainians and really for europe. uh, that is the goal. and i think it is achievable. >> so, given your view, do you think trump should be tougher on putin then? because as i just said, moscow thinks the u.s. is realigning with it. there are people here in the country who believe the u.s. is now realigning with russia. >> i think i think he is he we're continuing to provide arms. tough on putin. >> what examples do you have of that? >> well, first off, he is the first to provide lethal weapons. remember, obama would not provide lethal weapons to ukraine. i mean, we had poroshenko, the president, the president of ukraine was on the floor of the house begging for lethal weapons. he said, i cannot win a war with blankets. and president trump was the first to send lethal weapons. those lethal weapons were used

to repel russia's tanks as they were trying to descend on kyiv. so that's true. so let's. >> start this administration that. >> was continuing right there, continuing to provide a lethal weapons right now. what the what the trump administration is doing is trying to bring everyone from the table to the table. they've just now brought the russians to the table to begin the discussions, to say, let's begin peace negotiations. that's incredibly important. the goal that just occurred at the white house was bring ukraine and the united states together in an economic deal, so that ukraine and the united states could stand together. president trump and president zelenskyy could sign an economic deal that they could take forward. um, and then, you know, begin these negotiations to end this terrible war. >> just very quickly, though, the new york times is reporting trump is meeting with some of his top national security aides, and they're going to discuss whether to withhold some of this aid to ukraine after what happened on friday. i mean. >> that is that is that is that should not be the case. we have we have got to continue to support ukraine, but ukraine has

got to come to the table in a meaningful way so that these peace negotiations can go forward. and that the united states has has a shot of ending this war. >> all right. congressman mike turner, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> wolf. >> and pamela, we're getting some breaking news right now coming into the situation room. german police say at least one person was killed and several others injured after a car slammed into pedestrians. pedestrians in the city of mannheim. one suspect has been arrested. germany's federal government says a large scale police operation is now underway and issued an extreme danger warning for the entire city. the country has been rocked by several other ramming incidents in the past few months, including a christmas market attack that killed six people. >> and still ahead, right here in the situation room, we are joined by democratic senator amy klobuchar. she spoke to zelenskyy just before that tense oval office exchange. what he

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senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. senator, thanks very much for joining us. i know you had a chance to actually meet with zelenskyy just before that hostile oval office event took place. what's your reaction to what's going on? >> well, first of all, welcome. i'm glad to be on the new show. pretty exciting. first day. >> just a new time. >> a new a new a new situation. yes. um, so i thought that meeting that we had before we went over to the oval office with republicans and democratic leaders could not have gone better. he was in good spirits. he was excited to sign the mineral deal people gave him, i think, good advice. and it was just a very positive moment. it felt like in the wake of the british prime minister and the french president coming and their pledge to send troops to actually enforce whatever agreement comes out of it. i thought we have a new beginning. so of course, i was appalled by what happened at the white house. i still think there's a chance of a reset. >> who do you blame for that disaster at the white house? >> well, i watched that tape

over and over again. even the body language. president zelenskyy just simply explaining that putin can't be trusted in a deal, something republicans have acknowledged day in and day out, and that we have to make it as airtight as possible and have troops besides ukrainian troops enforcing it. jd vance i, i was appalled by what he did because he berated zelenskyy, a man who has put himself out there, went down to a street corner the day of the invasion and said, we are here and has never wavered, not with the ukrainian people, not with the world. and for him to act like zelenskyy has never said thank you. i have been in his presence. public meetings, private meetings, he says, thank you all the time. and this is someone who has stood up for his country. a his ukrainian patriots have held the line. they have shed their own blood, they have buried their own, and they have stopped vladimir putin from marching right through ukraine into the rest of europe. >> do you think, as some have suggested, that vice president vance and the president

deliberately wanted this to explode the way it did? >> i don't know. they seemed that they were excited. and this deal is something that president trump wants. so i think they did plan to berate him for grandstanding on tv. i don't know if they knew it would get this out of hand, but we are where we are, and i have appreciated. secretary rubio has actually said that there may be an opening for a reset. that is my focus is how can we reset? and with what happened in europe this weekend, i think that's positive. they're going to brussels, they come to a deal and maybe we can still sign the minerals agreement and go from there. >> you have confidence in the secretary of state. marco rubio, your former colleague. >> i have confidence that cooler heads have to prevail here. he could be one of them to say, we need to get this on track. i don't care if you're a democrat or republican. trump supporter, not trump supporter. it is in america's best interest to come from strength and not surrender. >> as you know, even some of the some u.s. officials are now vilifying, even as some u.s.

officials are now vilifying president zelenskyy. leaders in europe, allies of the united states are embracing him. can europe deliver on a peace plan without significant involvement from the united states? >> we need the united states in the agreement simply because we have been providing a lot of the military expertise and the weapons. however, people should know the european countries. nato has gone from six countries, spending 2% of their budget on defense to 23 countries doing that. they have given over 50 billion in military assistance, over 100 billion. overall, they are in this big time pledging troops. so this is going to be a combined effort. but the united states must be part of it. if anything, for our standing in the world, when we stand up for democracies, we don't want to be on the side of iran and north korea and russia and china. we want to be on the side of our allies, which are over 50% of the economy. when combined with the u.s., as opposed to russia, which i think is at 2%. >> i want to look ahead to tomorrow night at president

trump's joint address to congress, which i assume you will be attending. right. >> well, yes. >> because some democrats have suggested maybe they'll want to boycott that session. but you're going to be there. >> i will, i'm in leadership and i believe the leaders will all be there. >> as you know, the the democrats have tapped freshman senator elissa slotkin of michigan to give the democratic party response to trump's speech. how should senator slotkin counter the president's address, especially coming from a state he won last november? >> well, let's also remember she wanted at the same time. that's because she has a phenomenal background in the military. she is someone that gets it from the midwest perspective. so i think what our response must be is, number one, he promised a whole bunch of people that voted for him and actually voted for me and elissa slotkin as well. he said, i'm going to bring down costs from day one. what do we see? we see egg prices wholesale up 23%, lumber prices up, coffee prices up, and all of the things he's done, including these tariffs on our allies on canada and mexico,

can bring them up even more. so i think that he better take some responsibility for making this his priority. and that includes health care and that includes housing and the like. and also stop this search for money everywhere to give billionaires tax cuts and then start making these cuts out of medicaid. you look at what the house budget is, or firing people that are working on protecting our nuclear stockpile or working on avian flu. this is not the direction that people want to go in. and 66% of americans already say that he's not doing enough on costs. >> senator amy klobuchar, thanks so much for joining us. we hope you'll be a frequent guest here in the situation. >> i'm excited about it. thanks, wolf. >> thank you very much. >> certainly do. all right. and still ahead, we're joined by commerce secretary howard lutnick as tariffs loom for neighbors to the north and south. why he calls the situation fluid as uncertainty around prices weighs on businesses and consumers. we'll be back.

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or phased out. >> so remember. >> these tariffs were set because the border was wide open. we needed to close it. and we want our trading partners. >> to. >> close it. why are we building a wall when the most important. >> trading partner to mexico. >> and canada is america? they should be. more respectful. >> to us. they should be stopping caravans. and that's what the president set these tariffs about. he said stop the flow of immigration and stop the flow of fentanyl killing our people. 75,000 autopsy deaths of fentanyl in america. it's got to stop. and the president is trying to make sure that mexico and canada stop it. >> right. but you even said in a previous interview, i just saw that you talked to tom homan. he said that they're doing a good job on the border. so what's changed over the last 48 hours? and what specific details can you tell us about these tariffs? >> okay, so the mexicans and the canadians have done a nice job on the border, meaning you have illegal crossings at their lowest level ever. so that's

pretty they're doing a good job. so that's why the president has to decide. fentanyl deaths only down less than 15%. we really need to save americans lives. and the president really cares about saving americans lives. so they've got to get the fentanyl down. and that's really attacking the cartels and getting this down. so that's why it's fluid. the president has to say, i appreciate what you have accomplished, but you haven't accomplished enough. and that's what we're going to be talking about all day today. >> so is it going to be less than 25% since they are doing more at the border as part of this agreement, then is that to be expected? it would be less than that. >> well, i'll be sitting across the table from the president pointing out that they have done a good job on the border, but they haven't done enough on fentanyl. and he's got to decide how he wants to play. and that's the key to the president's advisers. we are around telling them all the details. but then he's going to decide this afternoon and tomorrow we're going to put out those tariffs. >> so clearly you don't want to get ahead of the president here. but why all the uncertainty. as you know i know you know better than anyone. businesses hate

uncertainty. we've seen the stock market hates uncertainty. don't you want to at least give businesses an environment where they can effectively make plans? >> well, in a situation like this, where it's an emergency based on the border being open and fentanyl killing americans, i think you've got to let mexico and canada take their actions, and you've got to let the president use the tariffs as his driving force to get them to take their actions. the real answer is, why do we need to build a wall if our most important, if mexico says the most important thing is doing business with america, why shouldn't they build the wall and they protect us? because we're the great america. >> right. and just be clear. no one's arguing that fentanyl should be crossing the border. i think everyone wants to clamp down on that, prevent the deaths, but it's just going back to the uncertainty question. businesses hate it. we've seen the impact on the stock market, and a lot of that is centered around the tariff policy and what's going to happen. you're seeing companies hoard inventory. you're seeing prices go up as a result. what can be done about that? you're the commerce secretary. >> who hates it the most. mexico

and canada, close that border. get the cartels to stop sending in fentanyl, save americans deaths. this is the president standing strong on this topic. he's going to decide today. we're going to put it out tomorrow. there's not a lot of uncertainty to tomorrow. but he knows they've done a good job on the border. they haven't done enough on fentanyl. let's see how the president weighs that today. we're going to talk about it all day today. and then he'll let everybody know tomorrow what the plan is true. >> and he could announce it before he was supposed to announce it. he said we'll wait, you know, for a while. and now that that deadline is here. but even if he does announce it tomorrow, there's still a question of the impact, the uncertainty of the impact it would have. and we're hearing from u.s. automakers who are concerned. you heard from ford ceo jim farley, who said, quote, let's be real honest, long-term, a 25% tariff across mexico and canada, borders would blow a hole in the u.s. industry that we've never seen again. we're waiting to find out the details, but 25% is what the president had initially touted. is that a valid concern from

him? >> well, the automakers are worried about that. if there's a, you know, they go back and forth between parts with the united states and mexico. they built this whole u.s., mexico and canada sort of supply chain going back and forth to benefit from the low cost of mexican labor to the loss of jobs in michigan and ohio. let's be clear, michigan. ohio moved their jobs to mexico and canada, and the president wants them back. he wants to bring these jobs back to america. so the key is what will mexico and canada have done enough so that the emergency with fentanyl and the border have been solved before april 2nd, when he really wants to talk about the policy on autos generally. right. you've got you've got korean cars, you've got japanese cars, you've got german and european cars. and you're there attacking the american car manufacturers. so he wants to bring auto manufacturing back to america. he wants to reinvigorate michigan and ohio.

and that's the plan if his tariff policy. but that's the april 2nd. so you got to differentiate between the two. fentanyl is tomorrow and fentanyl is murdering americans. and april 2nd is our tariff policy that says we want those jobs back home. we want these great american jobs back home. we're tired of exporting them. >> i understand you say fentanyl is about tomorrow. but again, the tariffs in response to fentanyl, as you say does, does immediately impact these automakers. and as you laid out yourself, they do get a lot of parts from mexico, canada, even if it's an american made car, it's still coming from there. and a lot of them are saying, well, can we have some more time to figure out our supply chain? and, you know, for our viewers watching this, they may be wondering right now, should i go ahead and buy my car now before prices go up a lot? i mean, they're supposed to go up by to, to produce a car from 3500 to 12 k, according to the anderson economic group. should our should we go ahead and buy a new car for in the market for one. >> you should buy. we want to buy american cars. we like cars made in america built by

americans in america. that's what this president thing. >> is that right now. and the worry is, of. >> course, there is. jim farley percent. >> i think it's up to 75%. but they get engines from mexico or they get other parts from canada. and i understand that the goal is to have it all manufactured here, but that takes time, supply chain and figuring that all out. and these automakers feel as though they haven't had the time to sort that. >> and that's what's amazing about donald trump. he understands the details of this. and we are going to craft a tariff policy that hits those things right on the head. we know it takes time to build plants and manufacturing in america. so we're going to come out with a model that incents people to move it back. i mean, we need production and manufacturing back in america, and we're going to do it with tariffs. >> all right. stick around. commerce secretary howard lutnick more to discuss. we'll continue this conversation after the break. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you news saturday on cnn. >> at wayfair we're game for every style. >> let's play. >> chair eight.

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good, but in practicality there are a lot of questions about that. and he wants to get rid of the irs. >> of course, if we could have the outside. i mean, that's a big objective, right? the big objective would be to have enough money come in from the outside sources selling, uh, you know, visas, the ability to have a green card to come to america. imagine if you sold a million of them, you'd pay off our deficit and have 15 trillion to spare. and that's only 3% of america. it's nothing. so the concept of replacing us paying, we're like, we have stockholm syndrome. we just are so happy to pay. we forgot that maybe other people should pay, and we should have the benefit of living in the great america. >> but i want to ask you, consumer sentiment is down. you know, you're making the pitch. president trump has made the pitch for the economy. you had adviser, former trump adviser stephen moore saying to the wall street journal he's nervous about the prices that the administration needs to keep its eye on what's happening, that it should be a top priority. the trend is a little bit troubling.

do you share moore's fears? a lot of consumers are worried right now about prices. >> i don't. we are going to drive down the deficit and that's going to drive interest rates down. that's going to cut mortgage down. i think over the first two years, the first two years by. >> two years, it's too high and it's hurting their pocketbook right now. >> i think it's going to come down. you're going to watch president trump drive down the price of energy, drive down interest rates. now over the next six months, you're going to see the expectation of the driving decrease in deficits is going to cut interest rates. and it's going to really feed right into the american pocketbook. no tax on tips, no tax on overtime. no tax on social security is going to be in this bill. and we're going to start cutting the cost of americans and start driving this great economy forward. >> quickly, before we let you go, you were in the oval office on friday when everything devolved with president zelenskyy. bring us there. tell us what happened during that, what you observed with the president you were sitting across from and the huddle afterwards. >> so i've heard nonsense that this was a setup. let me tell

you what the setup was. there was a beautiful signing room next door to the oval office, and then a beautiful lunch set up. we expected this to be a love fest. really, it was just a love fest. but what happened is zelenskyy, president zelenskyy came in and all he asked for was no concessions. security guarantees, reparations from russia of $300 billion. give up no land, get them off our land. and he kept going. 40 minutes before the cameras were in and 45 minutes once the cameras came in, endlessly, relentlessly. our president says peace. he says no ceasefire. our president says peace. he says reparations. >> he says he. >> wants to keep going. >> with a ceasefire. >> but that's great. but think about it. he's at war with russia. if we sign a piece of paper with security guarantees, then i guess we're at war with russia. and the president says you're just messing with world war three. stop it. let's just talk peace. be a peacemaker. and he kept saying no, and it shocked us. i tell you what it was. >> you said. it was shocking. we

saw it in the camera. but after what happened, you said you were shocked. what was the reaction from the president? bring us in there. >> well, we couldn't he couldn't believe that this is the way it devolved. i mean, why would the guy come for a signing ceremony and basically just reject everything and saying, i'm not here for peace when he knows president trump has said i'm the peacemaker. so we were. >> just asked to resign. >> we were just shocked at the whole thing. no, the president wants peace. he wants to have zelenskyy say, i want peace. he wrote a tweet right after. and that said, you can come back when you are ready for peace. and that's what he wants. he wants. >> he doesn't want him to resign. to be clear. >> no, he's not he's not weighing into ukrainian politics. what he wants is to be a peacemaker. he wants to mediate. he wants to negotiate. >> withhold aid. because i read in the new york times, i believe it will be there. there's going to be a meeting about what to do and how to respond. >> well, i think the president is going to exactly consider what to do and how to respond. he's going to figure out what are the tools that he can use on russia, and what are the tools he can use on ukraine to get them to the table. like any great mediator, he's going to

beat both sides down to get them to the table. and so yeah, he said it at the meeting. he said, what do you want me to do, say call putin a terrorist and then call him up and say, hey, i'd like you at the at the peace table. come on. he's got to be both sides. >> actually think he's a terrorist, but he's outwardly not saying that because he knows that that won't help with negotiations. >> we've given $300 billion to ukraine. is it difficult to see what side we're on? give me a break. i mean, this concept of people getting confused is absurd. the president is on ukraine's side, and he said it. he said, i'll give them more military aid. he said it, but he said he'll do it if he can get to peace. and he needs peace, and he needs president zelenskyy to say, i want peace. and he wants putin to say i want peace. and then the president will bring them together and you'll see the greatest peacemaker, because he knows you got to hit both sides in order to get to the middle. >> mr. secretary, one quick point, though. you were there in the oval office watching all of it unfold. didn't you see the vice president, jd vance, begin the angry exchange with his

tough words about zelenskyy? and that was in front of all the tv cameras. >> i mean, what he said was we we knew that zelenskyy would put on a show for the press, right. because he wants to look good at home, look strong and all the rest. but we figured it's got to end after ten minutes. it didn't end after 20 or 30 or 45 minutes. and what did jd vance say? please say thank you and let's not litigate this disagreement out here in front of these cameras. let's go back and talk about it then. but at least say thank you to the president if you think that is attacking president zelenskyy, then you were in a different room than i was in because i thought that was reasonable and appropriate for him to just say thank you for $300 billion. thank you for being on my side. i want peace. i'll be with you, president trump. let's go figure out how we can do it together with power. and let's use this mineral deal to show that the united states is behind ukraine. and let's go force

russia into a reasonable peace deal. that's what jd vance was trying to do. that's what president trump was trying to do. that's what all of us expected. and we had no idea he was going to be not a peacemaker. >> has thanked the u.s. many times, maybe not in that moment directly to trump. but was it planned that jd vance would be the one to interject if he continued, in your view, to play to the cameras? because it is unusual for a vice president to interject like that. was that sort of discussed before the meeting? >> absolutely not. we had no idea this was going to go this way. you would just assume he'd play a little bit for the cameras, right? and then he would be thankful for the president, for the incredible aid that america has given $300 billion. you got to say, we love america. we appreciate america. you know, we want you by our side. and if you think we should have peace, we should have peace, right? but instead, he said, i want 300 billion in reparations from russia. i want them off my land. i want all the land, really, all the land and reparations and security guarantees. the answer was,

it's just way too far. that's not a peacemaker, that's a troublemaker. and that's what the president saw. and he took it for 40 minutes before and 45 minutes in front of the camera. and then it was just enough already. enough. >> all right. thank you. commerce secretary howard lutnick appreciate it. >> to the situation. >> welcome to our first show, our debut show. we appreciate all of your time. and still ahead. >> it's an agency charged with issuing life saving weather alerts. up next, we're joined by a former acting administrator of noaa on the real world impact of doj's cuts at what they could have. >> thanks for calling. consumer cellular ranked number one in network coverage and customer satisfaction. >> hi. my friend linda has you guys and gets way better coverage than i do. >> sounds like linda has you beat. >> not at bowling. >> you're breaking up a little. >> are you really ranked number one in coverage? yep. >> and plans start at just $20. >> oh, we could afford lessons for linda. you're embarrassing

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including those responsible for sending critical weather alerts. one recently fired specialist says doge cuts are an act on science, an attack on science, i should say. joining us now for more is retired u.s. rear admiral tim gallaudet. he served as the acting administrator of noaa during the first trump administration. admiral, thanks very much for joining us. you've cautioned against what some are describing the slash and burn approach by doge and how it's affecting noaa recently fired noaa employee told cnn. let me quote this recently fired employee. if you are impacted by the weather in any sort of way, which means everybody, you're going to be impacted by this, what would these impacts be? >> well, first of all, i think they're very self-defeating, wolf. they're going to have impacts to national security as well as the economy and public safety in general, from the weather warnings that could potentially be missed because of the understaffing at the weather service to other areas, such as the shipping and seaports. they

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