about to step on stage. on stage to accept best actor for the brutalist. but he forgot he had something in his mouth. so he turns around, tosses his gum to his girlfriend, georgina chapman. she runs to the front row to catch it. >> good catch. she actually did a great job of catching gum. gum is not that easy to catch. some folks on social media say they were completely grossed out. this sparked an online debate about whether throwing your already chewed gum to your significant other is sweet, or an experiment you should never try. brianna, what do you think? >> at the oscars, i'm going with the latter. it's the oscars. don't throw gum at your girlfriend. people. come on, come on. >> we know this. there's no cocktail napkin. are you going to put it at the bottom of oscar? >> the cheek. you got it. >> you keep. wow. >> up next, the arena with kasie hunt debuts right now. >> thanks so much for joining. >> us.

>> it's president trump versus the world order. let's head into the arena. this hour. a weekend in florida did not help president trump seething publicly and privately at ukraine's president, as top cabinet officials figure out next steps, including whether to pause u.s. funding for kyiv. plus, the about face from the face of rfk jr. giving his latest stance on the measles vaccine amid a deadly outbreak, with a caveat. and new reporting debuting this hour inside the president's speech to congress tomorrow, including his special guest. and the dilemma for democrats, senator elizabeth warren will be here live in the arena. hi, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. welcome to the arena. it's wonderful to have you with us on this monday. and as we launch our new program, it feels

as though the stakes for america and for the world have never been higher. and that is where we start today with the fallout from president trump's unprecedented showdown with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. new reporting just in to cnn. cabinet secretaries planning to meet this week to discuss the next steps on ukraine, including the possibility of suspending military aid as president trump continues to seethe about what happened in the oval office on friday. >> you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. we're going to feel very good. we're going to feel very good and very strong influence. you're right now not in a very good position. you've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position, and it happens to be right about from. >> the very beginning of the war. >> not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now. >> so in the days since then, the europeans have scrambled to

throw themselves behind zelenskyy and to rearm europe. here in the u.s., there have been calls for zelenskyy to resign, and the kremlin spokesman has suggested that donald trump is reshaping the world in a way that, quote, largely coincides with our vision. he actually said that before that meeting unfolded at all. and you almost have to wonder if what did go down in the oval on friday gave president trump an excuse to do what he's wanted to do all along. it also begs the question, what kind of leader does president trump want to be? the leader of what we know as the free world, or of something new? here's how the murdoch owned wall street journal editorial page put it over the weekend. they wrote this quote it's clear that president trump has designs for a new world order. does he want deals with russia and china to carve up the planet? he should tell americans

in ukraine, zelenskyy told ukrainians where he stands, saying that the end of their war with russia is, quote, very, very far away. that prompted president trump to fire back. he posted earlier today, quote, america will not put up with it for much longer. and then the president had this to say at the white house just a short time ago. >> i just think he should be more appreciative because this country has stuck with them through thick and thin. we've given them much more than europe. >> all of this, of course, raises the question of who will end up at the table negotiating the end of this war. >> president zelenskyy stood and fought for for ukraine, but churchill was also voted out of office in 1945. he was a man for a moment, but he did not then transition england into the next phase. and it's unclear whether president zelenskyy, particularly after what we saw friday, is ready to transition to ukraine, to an end to this

war and to negotiate and have to compromise. >> and trump's former national security advisor, the general h.r. mcmaster, who has, of course, known donald trump incredibly well, had this warning. >> putin couldn't be happier. he appeals to president trump's sense of aggrievement. right. you know, donald, you know, like me, you know, you've been treated so unfairly. and he's been very successful at it because he's a master manipulator. and one of the best liars in the world. and he's being played like other presidents have been played like other leaders, have been played through that same playbook of of putin's. >> all right. our panel is here. alex thompson, national political correspondent at axios and a cnn political analyst, cnn host michael smerconish, ashley allison, cnn political commentator, former white house senior policy adviser, and patrick mchenry, who is, of course, the former republican congressman and speaker pro tempore. welcome to all of you. thank you all very much for joining us on this first day in the arena. and i want to call

you, mr. speaker. i do want to start with you on what we've seen, the fallout from this b and this big picture. i mean, the wall street journal, obviously, they are at odds with trump not infrequently, but they are also not a bunch of democrats sitting around thinking about the world. and they had this very stark portrait of donald trump rewriting the world. and they go on to write about how it's really a return to, you know, power to power global politics, geopolitics that is pre world war ii. is that what he's doing and is that good for america. >> well it's pretty republican party world war ii. so this is not this has this has points that that the republican base and the republican coalition are familiar with. and there are divides within the republican party. for those of us that have think we have a security imperative globally and a requirement upon us as the greatest nation on the planet, strongest economy on the on the globe, that we owe it the world a stability and level of

security. um, but that is not what the election was about. uh, so let's rewind. this president campaigned on ending the war in ukraine, having a new reset with russia taking the fight to china. he's talked about everything that his first couple of weeks in office have been about on tariffs and, and, and economic, uh, economic aggression so we can get back a hold of our economy and what was happening in the southern border. so all of this has been pre election trump comments and now fulfillment. so the question here is why did the ukrainian leadership not read the room and approach it differently and approach the trump administration differently. >> michael smerconish do you think zelenskyy made a fundamental mistake in how he handled it, or was it all set up from the beginning? >> no, no, no, i think that jd vance set him up and pushed his button engaged. and then completely retreated, turned the table and said, frankly, it

reminded me of the scene in animal house where when the fraternity is on trial at the end, otter, i think, stands up and says, i'm not going to stick around while you bad mouth the united states of america, gentlemen. and they all march out. you're looking at me mystified. did you ever watch animal house? because all 12 times that i watched it, i loved it. >> i'm not mystified by animals. >> but the the point is, you know, he tried to turn the table, and a lot of people are buying into this and saying, you know, i'm sitting here and you're badmouthing the u.s. zelenskyy was doing nothing of the sort. listen, i came of age as a reagan republican in the 80s. i like the fact that ronald reagan's portrait is now in the oval office. ronald reagan is rolling over in his grave. lech walesa was the gdansk shipyard electrician in poland in the 80s, who became a champion and became the first polish democratically elected president after the fall of the soviet union. he signed a letter today saying that he looked on with horror and distaste as he

watched these events. that's how i feel. >> but i can tell you that this vance zelenskyy showdown has been brewing for months, that you know, zelenskyy in the final weeks of the election last year, called vance to radical in his proposals. and, you know, in some ways, vance is actually even more anti-interventionist when it comes to this war than trump himself is. and in in the senate, he was, too. and his, you know, sort of small team that he brought over from the senate, they are they are among the most anti ukraine or, you know, anti-interventionist part of the senate offices, you know, for the last two years. >> i think it is two ways, i think, i don't disagree with you that the items you laid out in terms of what this election is about, those were i would put the economy and the border higher than the ukraine and russia war in terms of what people were saying. but i think the impact of how he is handling it wasn't really litigated in the election, because for so long we were asking president trump or candidate trump, then where do you stand on russia?

where will you stand up to putin? and he never. and people like me who said, i think he's going to side with russia, were saying i was saying they were telling me that i wasn't being honest and honest broker on it. and now we see something like this. i also watch that meeting in the oval office and thought about it. he is the president of the united states. and as someone who has worked for a president and has sat in an oval office and briefed the president, you do not argue if you're on their team with it, but you do have a responsibility when you work for someone to brief them properly and give them every possible scenario. and i think the fact that zelenskyy was not going to accept that jd vance made a made a premise that he was not thankful and that putin was being diplomatic. i don't think we any world leader would let that go. >> so don't take the bait. wouldn't that be the brief? >> but didn't. >> trump. >> take the bait? >> wouldn't that be the brief to president zelenskyy? if you watch the 40 minutes of this, which is a long, grueling thing, it's absurd, right. for that, for a press conference this

long. but zelenskyy was ten minutes away from having a minerals deal and is close to as is, zelenskyy could get from trump security guarantees ten minutes away from guns, money and the ability to go fight the fight so that you actually had a point of leverage. instead, he took the bait from the vice president, and the vice president showed he has real capacity in this administration. >> i think he i think jd vance should have been a bigger person and not played a game in the oval office with our ally. >> i want to watch a little. we do have a little bit of of jd vance and zelenskyy going back and forth just to kind of bring everybody back into that moment, because it really it really is a remarkable one. watch. >> you should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. >> to ukraine, that you say what problems we have. >> i have been to. come once. i have actually, i've actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. >> he calls it a propaganda tour. alex, one question i also

i have here. i mean, there were reports that joe biden and zelenskyy got into it a little bit at the end of of the the biden administration. is this just zelenskyy as a person? and then it explodes. is this jd vance recognizing that zelenskyy kind of has a tendency to, you know, lose his temper? maybe if that's what happened and he's poking that for his own ends. >> i think both things can be true. joe biden, the biden administration felt it sometimes that zelenskyy was ungrateful for the amount of aid that they and and basically just felt that they were asking for more and more and didn't always have a clear plan. but i can also tell you that the trump team, even some of the people that that are more sympathetic to ukraine, thinks zelenskyy completely misplayed this hand and basically set it up where now they're basically saying, like, you better get on tv and apologize. >> can i state the obvious? and i read the nbc report because it circulated this weekend about what happened with joe biden on the phone with zelenskyy. it needs to be underscored. it was private. it was a private communication. it didn't play

out on television like this. >> and there wasn't a president at the end of the of the whole thing saying, oh, well, this is going to be great on television. yes, 100%. all right. well, this actually does fit in with what we've been talking about here. part of donald trump's worldview has led us to breaking news coming in from wall street. look at this. stocks plummeting today. president trump confirmed just within the past hour that the u.s. will impose 25% tariffs on canada and mexico beginning tomorrow, and the dow falling more than 600 points. on the news, the s&p posted its biggest loss since december. um, patrick mchenry, congressman, speaker, what's your preferred title? congressman? speaker, both. >> i'm. yeah, i'm free. >> i mean, we do know that donald trump watches the markets and he is putting these tariffs on this historically has been this kind of protectionist thing has not been what the republican party has stood for. is president trump going to continue with this kind of reaction coming in from it or.

>> so? uh, the economy is the major question. how do people feel about the economy? and we have two years till the next election. so the president is going to take aggressive action economically to get the benefit by the next election or by the following election. so in the short term, yes, the barometer is the stock market for president trump. that is clear. he telegraphs that and states that clearly what he is doing with canada and mexico has less to do with canada and mexico and more to do with china. we are in a loan stance in the world, trying to reorient the world and reset the trading relationship with china, and without allies in this fight, some some of us i wish we had we had done this in the first trump administration with building support in europe and india, and our trading partners that we're most closely tied to and bring them along with us. and this is trump's way of bringing them along, which is punishment until they come on team usa.

>> can i say that's a pretty sophisticated analysis? and you might be right. i tend to think it's about personalities. he doesn't like justin trudeau. the stated basis migrants and fentanyl. really, to the extent that we have to impose a 25% tariff, it makes no sense. americans can't understand tariffs. big picture, but they do understand the price of automobiles, vegetables and t-shirts. this will come back to bite them if it lasts long. >> all right, everybody, stand by for us right now. i do want you all to tell me something that i don't know. to all my sources and friends around town, you know who you are. we're sending you email, check your inboxes. here's our question today. we've been talking about. it was zelenskyy's public confrontation with trump worth it? you all have. until the bottom of the hour to send thoughts, tips, exclusives. if this question is totally wrong, if i've been totally wrong, then tell us what is the right one. viewers will let you in on this conversation coming up later on in the hour. but up next, hear what rfk jr. is now saying about

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an unvaccinated child. in an op ed published on sunday, kennedy wrote this quote the the outbreak is a call to action for all of us, but kennedy did not explicitly recommend that people take the vaccine. and today, a top resignation from a top aide to kennedy. thomas corry, who is a spokesperson for the hhs department, stepped down from his role effective immediately. ashley allison, as this outbreak is, you know, unfolding, this child has died. vaccination rates, which we can we can put up on the screen for people childhood vaccination rates since 2019, 2020 have taken a sharp dive. that, of course, coinciding with the covid pandemic. you can see it here. it does seem that rfk jr.. felt he needed to say something about this, but could not go so far as to say you should get your kids the mmr shot. it's an easy way to make sure they don't die from measles. why? >> because he doesn't believe in

vaccines. and that is why when you have interviewed him before and you have pressed him on this issue and he's tried to circle around and not answer. >> he told me that he didn't say that. he didn't say that. he said i said, you don't you believe vaccines are safe and effective? and he said, no, i never said that. and i said, yes. >> yes you did. roll the tape right. it's why the confirmation hearings on cabinet secretary are so important. but i want to, i want to i do want to acknowledge parents who right now are not getting their children vaccinated. and i want to acknowledge that there is a distrust right now in the medical system. and i think we need to to deal with that. but i don't think the way you deal with that is by putting your child at risk to catch a life threatening disease that had been eradicated so much in our country by not getting them vaccinated. so i think two things can be true at once, where parents have skepticism in our in the health care system and want their children to be healthy, while also acknowledging that vaccines are important and rfk is incapable of doing that because he does not believe in vaccines, which is why he should not be leading

the health and human services agency. >> you wrote this op ed basically because he made a flippant remark about the measles outbreak just last week and basically said, well, measles outbreaks happen all the time, but this is the first time someone has died in a decade of measles. but if you read this op ed, it is full of just caveat after caveat after caveat about, well, you know, we mostly eradicated measles before the vaccine. you know, there's a lot of sort of scientific points to show that he's really not backing off, but it still reads as very defensive. >> but he did say vaccines protect against the measles. i mean, that line is in the op ed. it may be buried. it might not be as prominent as you would like it, but it's there. and then he recommends this as being a personal choice, and families ought to speak with their physician. >> but doesn't that, michael? i mean, there's a reason why, for public health officials, this is all about trust and making sure that people trust, not just that the vaccine is going to protect them from measles, but also that it's not going to hurt them in

another way. isn't that why safe and effective is so important? >> it's a total departure from what we're used to. i think it would be a much more significant story if he had released a statement saying, don't get vaccinated. that's not what he said today. >> congressman, what is your kind of view of the responsibility of public officials in this arena? because it used to be clear. and now obviously with rfk jr., he's the highest profile example of a much bigger phenomenon. >> well, we during covid, we politicized health care in a massive way. i mean, the first turn was around obamacare, and that was really an insurance regulatory regime. and we had a massive health care debate around it. um, but then we got into personal health care choices, which is largely been done at the state and local level until covid. and the idea of a national vaccine mandate became the hot button political issue. so this is speaking to a group of people that have deep concerns about the government mandating them doing anything.

frankly. um, and we still we have a decline in children getting vaccinated, but we still have a very high level of participation in vaccines, which is a reassuring and good thing for the health of our children and the health of society, frankly, and good choices that people are making on their own. absent the government telling them. >> what to say, just to your point, i don't think you can underestimate the effect of covid on where we are right now. rfk jr.. the reason is hhs secretary is because of covid. the reason why he is in trump's cabinet is because of covid. and i think that's just a huge part of what's going on. >> i think, though, the thing that makes me so nervous is we all did live through covid, and i do understand people who are saying they don't want the overreach of government, but they were already people were already following government regulations around vaccinations pre covid. and then covid became i almost wonder if donald trump was president when the vaccines were readily available, if it would have been if the political

stakes of this would have felt different. and my bet is yes, but it became a thing to target the biden administration and democratic governors who wanted people to get vaccinated, to go back to work, to go to school. and so now we find ourselves we don't know when the next pandemic is coming. i hope never in my lifetime. but if it does, we have to be ready and willing to accept science to keep us all safe. i just don't want to have to live in my house because rfk won't acknowledge the health and human service secretary that we need to take a vaccine. >> so people put up yard signs saying trust science. uh, yard signs are usually political yard signs. and this became all about the politics, in my view, the politics of the left took science as their mantra, right? and used that as a cudgel, a political cudgel. so part of that is, as alex said, the ramification is you have somebody who's quite different as hhs secretary. >> so what don't what do we do if we don't trust science? what's our alternative?

>> trust science does not mean there is a 100% result. right. and this was saying like, well, this is scientific fact that this will be good for you in all cases. well, in all cases, the covid vaccine was not healthy and good for people. you had people that were insensitive, populations that had bad outcomes for it. so if they can make a choice for themselves, that was not right. yet. we have high societal participation. we got the benefit. and so look, i would. >> tell you, no, read the numbers a little differently. but the high populations were predominantly black and brown communities that often don't have access to adequate health care. and so vaccines were so important to be make sure that they were equitably distributed. no, nothing is 100% certain, but you want it to be more like. >> the political debate was about 100% certainty around something that is not 100%. all right. and i would tell you, as somebody who got vaccinated as early as i could, i understand the health benefits for sure.

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mexico and canada will go into effect tonight at midnight. this as we have new reporting about how the president plans to make his case to the american people. of course, he has that joint address to congress tomorrow night, and we're getting new details about who exactly will be in attendance. let's get to our cnn chief national affairs correspondent, jeff zeleny. hopefully will be a friend of our new show here at 4 p.m. jeff, what's your new reporting? >> look. >> we know that elon musk will be front and center tomorrow at that address to a joint session of congress. of course, his work of the department of government efficiency has been front and center in the first six weeks of this administration. so not surprising that he is going to be on hand, i'm told, for that speech in the house chamber. but, casey, you were just mentioning the stock reaction there. that is going to be fascinating to watch tomorrow, because if those tariffs on canada and mexico do, in fact go in effect tomorrow, as the president has said they would, we have seen him dial back before. but if they go into effect tomorrow, as he said he

would, that is going to be very controversial to watch. so we always see who is sort of applauding. that is controversial among republicans, among farm state republicans as well. they are very worried about the impact of these these tariffs on canada and mexico. so that is going to be fascinating. of course, the president is facing so many challenges in terms of high prices, stubborn inflation. but this is one thing that really sort of cuts across both aisles. and senator schumer, just a few minutes ago, he called it a trade war a trump trade war, and blamed high prices on the tariffs. so yes, ukraine will be front and center. but look for reaction tomorrow night on tariffs as well. casey. >> all right. our jeff zeleny for us jeff, thank you very much for that report. and right now live in the arena is massachusetts senator elizabeth warren, a democrat, of course. senator, thank you so much for being here. thank you. happy to be with you. happy to have you on the show. thank you very much. so of course, i do want to

start with the address you're planning on bringing a federal worker who has lost their job from your home state. what message are you hoping to send to president trump? >> and his. >> message is pretty straightforward. i want donald trump and elon musk, our co-presidents, to look straight at some of the people that they have laid off people. in my particular case, this is someone who works for the national science foundation, actually brings research dollars in to partner it up with federal government research so that we can do the research we need to do, whether it's on climate or cancer or alzheimer's, and say, how can you cut this important work? this is not about cutting waste, fraud and abuse. this is about just cutting through with a chainsaw and getting a big photo op and hurting not just a lot of individual families, but ultimately hurting the future of our country. >> do you think there are places in the government that should be

cut? >> oh, absolutely. i sent a letter to elon musk right at the beginning of the administration when he said he was setting up doge, and i said, look, here's $2 trillion in cuts you can make. you may remember, he said he would make $2 trillion backed off to a trillion, backed it off to half a trillion and so on. and i said you can do $2 trillion in cuts. but you got to focus on where the fraud and abuse is. for example, with the medicare advantage program, this is the privatized half of medicare. and right now, independent analysts say that the consequences of the upcoding and the fraud in the system is costing us about $830 billion, just short of a trillion. >> very close to one of those stated goals. >> that's right. >> senator, let me get your response to the news that the president plans to impose these tariffs. you actually have

called tariffs, quote, an important tool in things that you have written before. do you agree with any of the tariffs that president trump is putting in place or threatening? >> look, the whole idea behind using tariffs effectively is part of an overall strategy is to have a goal in mind. what is the specific goal? is it to protect a new industry that's growing in the united states? is it to try to onshore a supply chain that is moved offshore? those can be very effective, targeted uses of tariffs and i support that. but that's not what he's talking about. he's talking about a 25% across the board tariff of canada. and notice the fix. this puts him in. remember he ran for office saying on day one he would lower prices for american families. on day one, after he gets elected, he said he got elected based on grocery prices and his promises. now we're six weeks in. he has done nothing to lower prices,

and in fact, it looks like inflation is going up with these tariffs. we know that costs will go up for families. the cost of health care goes up for families. under the republican proposed budget to cut access, for example for medicaid, for seniors who are in nursing homes. so he's exactly upside down from his promise, and he's going to have to face that tomorrow night. >> why do you think democrats lost the election? >> look, i think we didn't make clear as we should how we are fighting for american families. >> that has to be simple as that. you don't think that there are other fundamental problems or generational problems? >> there are a lot of there are a lot of problems. there are a lot of problems in that last election. but the key is we have to remind ourselves as democrats every single day why we get in this fight and watch the fight that's coming up. we're in a sandstorm right now with donald trump, you know, saying he's going to annex greenland and he's going to rename the gulf of mexico. but at the heart of

it, what donald trump elon musk and the republicans want to do is they want to do tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, and they want to pay for it on the backs of hard working families across this country. this one actually fits on a bumper sticker, a billionaires win, families lose. that's where donald trump is. the democrats are fighting hard against that, saying we need for billionaires to pay their fair share in taxes, and then we need to make those investments in education and health care so that we have a stronger middle class and people are able to build some economic security. >> why have democrats lost touch with some of the middle and lower income voters who were with you in past elections, but weren't this time? >> look, i, i think that doing the analysis we also see right now that donald trump is losing touch with all of those families. what does it mean for

donald trump to say that he embraces a republican plan to cut medicaid so that half of the seniors who are now in nursing homes have no place to turn? what is that plan? just to set them out on the street? >> totally take your point about the actual policy, but for some reason, people believe they believed him over democrats last time around. do you think it's partly because democrats were too far culturally left for the country? >> i think the problem is we didn't make clear what we fight for and really get out there and fight for it. our job right now is actually pretty straightforward. just tell the truth. tell the truth about this. donald trump, elon musk congressional republican tax plan, and let the american people see who the republicans who donald trump and elon musk are actually working for. we let that happen. then i'll count on democracy doing its part. >> if vice president harris runs for president again, will you support her for the nomination?

>> it's way too early to be talking about who's going to be running and who. >> i could ask you that question. no, it's never too early, senator. >> you know, but this really is the point right now. we need every single democrat in the senate. there are only 47 of us, but we need all of us locked arms and making clear what this fight is about. this is about whether this country works better for billionaires or works better for working families. we joined issue on that. the republicans are going to see if there can be enough noise and confusion that people lose that thread. our job as democrats is to drive straight back into it. >> all right. senator elizabeth warren, thank you very much for being here. i really appreciate it. happy to be with you. see you soon again, i hope. all right. coming up next here, the oscars and politics go together like peanut butter and jelly sometimes. but it was very different this year. we'll dig into why. and later, the senator who left a contentious town hall after encountering what he

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politically charged, but not this year. look, we can put up some headlines from what we saw in 2017 where jimmy kimmel skewered trump. racism in the oscars opening monologue. politico said kimmel roasted trump. and reuters noted that trump's policies played a supporting role at the oscars. the headlines this time around were essentially the opposite. and, you know, michael smerconish, i'm really interested in your because i know you talked about some of this on your your show over the weekend as well. the, the cultural shift that we have seen with the second trump term and the, the differences in the way the culture is interacting with people who support president trump with. maga sort of writ large. what do you see here? >> so can i make one political observation of the oscars first? >> yeah, sure. >> i'm feeling very hip and cool because i saw anora and i saw amelia perez and i saw conclave.

>> you are way ahead of me. i did see conclave. >> the movie as well. and i love them all. i thought it was actually a very political oscars because karla sofia gascon, nominated for best actress. first transgender actress. nominated, i think deserved to win and probably would have won. but for the social media tweets and all the reaction that came to it and to my way of thinking, and i approve of none of her social media tweets, but i don't think it should have been a part of the dynamic. like how well did she perform in the movie and in the movie? we should evaluate her performance. that's it. >> it did seem clear, actually, that that movie was on track. i mean, they like zoe saldaña won, of course, the song from that movie was great, and won. >> please don't shame me. i have not seen any of them. i'm a little busy. 2024 was kind of a busy year for me, so i don't. >> know how i feel about it too actually. >> so i'm trying to catch up. um, i mean, i'll say i literally was in california all

last week doing fun oscar stuff, right? i'll tell you, the city felt very different, and it wasn't about a national conversation. it was about what has happened in california with the fires. every single lunch event party was either a benefit was honoring. i sat across from the woman who runs the firefighters family foundation. i sat next to a woman who, you know, lost her home, won't be back into her home for three years, and was wearing clothes that had been donated. the city is focused on mending its own wounds right now, and so i think that might also have played a role. i did see firefighters on stage as to why it wasn't overly political, because it is. it is hurt. and people who who have lost everything don't have a pathway for it for many, many years in that. >> led to both your points. you know, the some of these movies were still political and some of these speeches were still political. but trump is no longer the main character. um, and not everything is revolving around that. in the same way, even last year, you had jimmy

kimmel yet again, you know, when trump was live tweeting the oscars, he made that crack about, isn't it your past, your jail time, right? you just didn't see it as much. the culture is not revolving around him in the same way. >> yeah. really interesting. all right. earlier, we asked sources and friends around town about zelenskyy's public confrontation with trump, and we asked, was it worth it? so we did hear back from a number of you. here's what you had to say. one one person says, quote, it was a total disaster, but it was necessary. this spurred europe to act in a really key way that actually comes from a longtime democratic communications strategist. one republican tells us that zelenskyy underestimates how the median view of ukraine and funding for ukraine has turned. another also republican who has worked on presidential campaigns, says this, quote, it was a mistake. zelenskyy gave maga, maga everything they needed. and a veteran democratic operative who has worked on the

national level says, i don't blame zelenskyy. a humiliating moment for our country. and he calls it or she calls it an obvious set up by vance michael smerconish. you were nodding at one point. >> i was because the comment that said that zelenskyy didn't appreciate how the situation has turned reminds me of a cbs yougov survey that came out this weekend that i found alarming. when asked americans, when asked, who do you support in this ukraine or russia? 44% said neither. in other words, a majority still said ukraine, which is what i would expect. but the fact that to go back to where i began with you this afternoon, so much has changed since ronald reagan's watch. 44% are saying, i don't know, ukraine, russia. it's all the same to me. >> congressman. i mean, what do you make of it? and was it worth it for zelenskyy to do what he did? >> no. there are 130 billion reasons why that was stupid. absolutely stupid. he took the bait. he understood the situation and apparently still

took the bait. so that was a bad move. and we're going to have a worse result because zelenskyy couldn't manage himself for ten minutes. the stakes were high. and this is a a country in receipt of u.s. aid, and a president who says he wants to end the war at whatever cost. and having won an election with that message. so it's a very different environment. zelenskyy should have read the room. it would have been better for the globe had he controlled himself for ten minutes. >> briefly, alex, we had one democrat say that actually this got europe to act to get its act together. interesting. valid. >> yeah. i mean, you're seeing france and i mean, you even saw, like, defense stocks in europe go up because you saw france and england say that they're going to get more involved now. >> interesting. all right. coming up next here. why a republican senator says he walked out of a town hall meeting with his own constituents. >> now. >> the presidential address to congress tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn.

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kansas. that's senator roger marshall. it was an angry and much larger than expected crowd pressing him about those cuts from doge. he deemed the attendees, quote, one of the rudest audiences. marshall then decided that he'd had enough. >> a huge. >> percentage of those people. >> and i know. >> you care. >> about the veterans. >> our veterans. >> yes. >> and that is a shame. >> yes, i do got two more commitments today. appreciate everybody making. >> the drive. >> out and god bless america. thank you. thank you. >> you're not. >> done. >> not now. >> not the senator's office blaming, quote, unquote, democratic operatives for the confrontation, writing, quote, senator marshall stayed and answered every question that was asked for 45 minutes. senator marshall is to be commended for staying as long as he did. leave it to you to decide what you think about that. all right. as we wrap up our first show today, i do want to end on a personal

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