achievements to his name. but if you think about it, how many elections have we seen where someone walks in the door with so many challenges and so many negatives? the 11 women who came forward, it actually turned into 13. when the justice department did a further investigation. and then the question of the nursing homes, where clearly policy decisions led to the loss of life. and then there was not honesty about it. there was actually an effort to cover that up. that's just a couple of the things we could talk about. so i think you're talking about very skilled politician with a great family name. and at the same time, you're talking about negatives that most politicians would never have to confront just one of them, let alone a whole bunch of them together. i think this means you're going to have a very dynamic election, and someone is going to emerge as the alternative. >> we shall see what the voters decide. former new york city mayor bill de blasio, great to have you. thanks for joining us in washington. not in new york, for once.

>> opportunity to be here in our nation's capital. >> thank you all so much for joining us. cnn news night with abby. phillip is up next. >> tonight. is it too late now to say sorry? will volodymyr zelenskyy say the words to make donald trump forget this? or will the american president not give ukraine another shot at forgiveness? plus, be our guest. democrats invite former federal workers to stare down the president who laid them off. also, tariffs and trouble. add new taxes on consumers to the check engine sign. blinking on the american economy. live at the table. john avalon, scott jennings. alan johnson, bruce blakeman and tara palmeri. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do.

good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about. help is not on the way. tonight, a critical decision from the trump administration at a critical time in ukraine's fight for survival. it's a decision that may pivot the war towards moscow and vladimir putin's mission to carve out that country for himself. donald trump has now ordered a temporary suspension of all u.s. military aid to ukraine. that is going to halt $1 billion of arms transfers. that was in the works. and the list of weapons that this this applies to is guided. multiple launch rocket systems, antitank weapons, artillery rounds, armored vehicles. all of these are essential to ukraine's ability to repel russian troops. now the white house is spinning this by saying that the decision is a step toward a ceasefire. quote, the president has been clear that he is focused on peace. he needs our partners to be committed to that goal as well.

we are pausing and reviewing our aid in order to ensure that it is contributing to a solution. joining us in our fifth seat at the table tonight, alex. he is a senior fellow at the atlantic council and a former pentagon official. um, alex, i want you to weigh in on the significance of this. but, john, just for a second, on the kind of negotiating the politics, the showmanship of this all, trump is essentially saying we're pulling the rug out from under you. and according to our sources, the condition is that ukraine, zelenskyy specifically needs to offer a public apology, a public mea culpa to trump personally. >> yeah, that's showmanship. but of course, this has real life and death implications. that kind of, uh, you know, putting self-interest and the desire to have someone kiss the ring ahead of to drive national security policy is dangerous. but of course, it's part of a piece. just the other day, the kremlin announced that it felt the u.s. was now aligned with itself. um,

and this is not a noninterventionist policy. this is not. this is siding with russia. as has been clear consistently, and it is a total departure from bipartisan foreign policy tradition. and it's an abdication of american leadership in the world. so this is an added insult to that injury, and it's a departure from policies pursued by republicans and democrats. historically. we are now unfortunately aligned with russia. >> we'll get to more on that in a second. but, alex, virtually every day there are air raid sirens over kyiv. i mean, russia is not stopping anything while these conversations are happening privately. what is the impact of this pause over the long term? maybe in a couple of weeks if it continues for that long? >> that's a great way to frame it, because it is a pause that's actually taking immediate effect. so it's a halt not only on the longer term, but immediately right now, everything that's in poland, everything that's in transit is on hold. so there'll be a short logistics backlog where they'll be able to continue fighting. but very quickly they're going to run out of those critical munitions, and it will cause a halt to fighting at some point in the near future.

>> is this scott not giving russia an advantage? >> i think donald trump is very unhappy with the way zelenskyy conducted himself in the oval office. he is serious about getting both countries to the table. and you talk about pulling the rug out from underneath someone. well, who pulled the rug out first? zelenskyy was supposed to show up at the white house friday for a perfunctory meeting and sign this deal, which would have bound the united states and ukraine closer together. and he just couldn't bring himself to just sign the papers and head out. and so, look, i think trump ran on ending the war. he said, day one, we're not at day one right now, but he wants to end the war as soon as possible. he has managed to engage putin in some kind of conversation. he thought he was engaging zelenskyy. and then zelenskyy goes out today and says, oh, we're very, very far away, far, far away from ending the war. the exact wrong thing to do. i don't know who he's getting his political advice from, but he needs to stop listening. it sounds like maybe chris murphy and other senate democrats. if you want to understand how to deal with donald trump, those are the wrong clowns to consult with. maybe for balloon animals at a child's birthday party, but

not for geopolitical advice. >> zelenskyy a lesson in what makes donald trump happy. he's going to give putin an advantage on the battlefield. that could be i mean, that could mean the difference between basically a conflict that is at a stalemate and russia actually being able to do some things that they have not been able to do of late. >> well, look, i think donald trump is using leverage as he should. he wants to get zelenskyy to the negotiating table. he wants to get a ceasefire. he wants to stop the killing. i think those are all good things. the fact that putin might benefit from it, i don't think that's going to be the case, because i think, first of all, the eu nations are going to step in. they're going to fill the void. and i think at some point zelenskyy has to have an end game. if he thinks he's going to defeat russia, he's delusional. his end game has to be to get to the table, get the best deal he can make and and that that would start with the cease fire and not going to the white house dressed like a schlub. i mean, you.

>> when you're back to this again. >> well, you know what? when you. go to see your bank or you don't where you were, you don't wear, you know, a suit. >> the united states is a is a banker, but is what you're saying. but he came to congress wearing the same thing. you know, churchill would come to the united states wearing essentially military fatigues. i mean, this is nothing new. it's just only become an issue now for some reason. >> well, i think it was that and the whole demeanor he was disrespectful when using a private sector analogy, when you go to your bank or you put on your best suit, you act respectful, you act grateful. you don't act like a thug. and that's exactly what zelenskyy like. >> a thug. well. >> he is a a president of a country that has been invaded by a very strong aggressor in russia and to come to the united states that has for so many years been an unwavering ally to ukraine, to be berated as if they were the ones that invaded russia. and then all the republican senators could talk about is what he wore. this man

is literally trying to defend his nation against russia. and what we understand about him defending ukraine against russia is also to make sure other european nations won't be invaded. the saddest part about all of this, in addition to russian media praising donald trump, which my god, i can't believe that we can't even agree that that is horrible is how emotional and petty and angry and aggressive donald trump was. i mean, i literally think about i worked for a lot of women candidates. folks say that we shouldn't have women in leadership positions because they'll be too emotional making decisions. well, donald trump and jd vance, they were a little too emotional. and these decisions and these conversations and getting us further away from a ceasefire. >> i mean, is it worth it? i mean, was not putting on a tie worth it? was calling donald trump. is it worth it? >> is it worried about. >> look, he's. >> worried about protecting his nation. y'all love to do that and gaslight people for being in the position. >> you brought it up. you called him. >> names, brought. >> it up. you called him names. >> he called him a thug. you said that he didn't dress up. the one. >> thing about one thing about russia. that's true. they suck.

okay? look, they invaded ukraine. they've lost 700. >> why can't president trump say that? >> very clearly saying that. >> but here's here's here's here's what i see. they've lost 700,000 people dead or wounded. they've spent untold amounts of money. they've gained barely any territory in three years. the ukrainians have fought them bravely and courageously. at the same time. donald trump at the same time, the political will in the united states to open ended fund a stalemate is dropping rapidly. the american people want this to come to a conclusion. i think zelenskyy is misreading the american political situation. maybe it was true three years ago today. people want this to come to an end. and there's a way this ends where he wins and he cannot accept. >> the win. anybody else wants the end. >> he has absolutely no end game. >> bruce, let me ask you a question. you called him a thug. why did you call him that? >> i was a big fan of zelenskyy in the beginning. i thought he was very courageous. i thought the ukrainian people fought very courageously. i have spoken with a lot of ukrainian leaders. they would like to see zelenskyy come to the table and try and get a

ceasefire. they're tired of the killing. i send guns to the ukraine. okay, i supported zelenskyy, i supported the the government there and and the fight and the cause. but now there's a point where he's not going to defeat russia. >> what makes him a thug? i mean, i really want to ask you this because. >> i came. >> and i'm trying to i'm trying to understand why the rhetoric has gone from we'd like him to come to the table on a peace deal to this guy is a dictator. this guy is a thug. where is the evidence for this stuff? >> you don't go into the oval office with the president and the vice president. roll your eyes, try to lecture and interrupt the vice president. be combative with the president. that's not the place for that. maybe in the back room, in the negotiating table. >> i'm a thug. >> yes. >> putin is throwing people. out of windows and zelenskyy is a thug for responding to in a conversation about his own country and about the history of his own country. >> putin is an international gangster. i get it. but, you know, donald trump sent steve

witkoff to the middle east and he was able to get a cease fire between hamas and israel. so why can't zelenskyy come to the table and try and get a ceasefire and end the killing? >> alex, i want to make sure you get in here on this because, look, obviously peace is going to be difficult to obtain. but but i keep asking this question. i've asked it almost every night since we've been talking about this. all vladimir putin is seeing is the united states becoming more estranged from ukraine. he is seeing trump's willingness to simply put a halt, turn off the tap on all military aid. if you're putin, how do you strategically go after this? i mean, essentially you could just sit back and wait and just wait, hold out as long as possible, and it seems like trump might just walk away from ukraine. you don't have to do anything at all. >> i mean, that's essentially what he's doing. he's basically he's watching the fight take place and he's saying, that's fine. let the spat between the oval office go, let them hold back on the aid. and i'm just going to watch this, this show unfold in front of me and figure out what i can

take advantage of it. and it's the same. so zelenskyy said today or yesterday he would not agree to a one month ceasefire and for a reason. the spring fighting season is about to start, and it would give putin an opportunity to sort of recharge and rearm to go again. putin will be looking for any excuse to try to derail this and ensure a deal doesn't take place, because for him, that's the long term benefit. so we saw today the ukrainian parliament issued an apology, basically saying, hey, we're not an apology. excuse me. we're very thankful to the united states. the ambassador said the same thing. president zelenskyy has stopped short of that with president trump. i don't know if they're going to get back to that place at some point. but if the aid and flow isn't turned on in the long term, it's going to impact. european leaders who are watching this have been horrified. the comments coming back are basically we can't trust the united states in the long term. somebody else needs to step in the void from a long term security perspective. but i don't think the president really cares about that. he's made that clear from his statements that he's not interested in the europeans thoughts on this. he wants to stop the war now, and he's trying to pull what he sees as levers of power. but, you know, that's a guy who's been negotiating deals for 50 years, but it's not a casino. it's a

country. >> wouldn't it have benefited? wouldn't it have benefited? >> it's not a casino. it is a it is a country and it is global peace and security. so at the end of the day, this isn't about what is in donald trump's pocket. it's in what's it's about what's in the best interest of the united states and peace in the world. >> you mentioned the europeans. it's interesting to me. they spend more money on russian oil and gas last year than they sent to ukraine collectively. that's number one. number two, it's interesting to me that zelenskyy could not see on friday the benefit of signing the minerals deal. that in and of itself is a security guarantee. when our interests become your interests, that is a security guarantee. you're never going to get trump to sign an agreement saying, well, we'll eventually put boots on the. >> ground. scott is not a security. >> it is because we. >> would have. >> we would have guaranteed our own interest. >> on top of that, most of the minerals are in territory that is being held by russia. but the final deal is something that is. >> are you saying that we would have entered into an economic. in the not. >> defended it? >> of course. >> we would. donald trump's heart, but it is not a security guarantee.

>> i disagree, i disagree. >> president, is to put national interest ahead of self-interest. right. and so because he's off that zelenskyy didn't show fealty by wearing a tie, which is a total red herring issue. look. >> what is the self interest? the self interest. >> is that he is personally, apparently offended and a lack of deference and ring kissing. and you look to your credit, you said it yourself. you said russia invaded ukraine. i wish that didn't take credit, but pete higgs is the secdef won't say that. you said that. putin's international gangster. good for you. that's exactly right. but if a if a republican democratic president had kicked zelenskyy out of the oval office for not wearing a tie and said that we're going to align with russia and pull troops funding for ukraine, you'd be off because that would be an abandonment of american principles and priorities, and you'd be right at that time. >> it's not just about. >> the last word. >> it was about interrupting vance, lecturing the president, being combative in the oval office, not signing the agreement, not being contrite, not being grateful. the americans have been carrying his water financially. >> i'm not sure. >> didn't make it. >> about we got to we got to go

and we will talk about actually all of that what you just said in just a moment. but being contrite is an interesting turn of phrase for what zelenskyy ought to be doing right now. alex, thank you very much for joining us. as always. everyone else, stick around. coming up next, vice president jd vance, he just responded for the first time since that clash in the oval office, the one that many people blame him for starting what he is now calling zelenskyy. plus, more breaking news tonight. just a short time from now, the president's tariffs against allies are going to go into effect. despite flashing red lights on the economy. stay with us. >> when it comes to rooting out corruption, do the fbi's ends justify the means? >> it was humiliating. it's an embarrassment for the country. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn. >> great design isn't just about how a room looks. it's about how it makes you feel. at hgtv,

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>> tonight, his version, jd vance is telling the country what he thought and felt during that now infamous, potentially history altering oval office shouting match. the vice president saw himself and donald trump as mediating forces, not the instigators. >> great tv. the president just tried to be diplomatic. i think that's that's his natural instinct in that situation. and then when it really went off the rails, of course, is when i asked or you had a polish journalist who asked a question, the president answered it, and then i answered it. and then something about my answer just really set zelenskyy off. so then he came at me. so you're blaming yourself? then i then i went back at him. and what i tried to do originally was actually try to diffuse the situation a little bit because i'm like, you know, we're having this meeting. obviously there are 100 television cameras here. let's try to have this conversation in private. i do think that there was just a certain sense of there was a

lack of respect. there was a certain sense of entitlement. >> tara palmieri is here with us at the table right now. you know, memory is such an interesting thing. it's a good thing we have tape of what actually happened in the oval office. he's he's right that trump actually was not sort of stirring things up. he was the person who did that. but here's the exchange that he was referring to that he described as him trying to defuze the situation. >> what kind of diplomacy, j.d., you are speaking about? what what what do you what do you mean? >> i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country. >> yes. >> mr. president. mr. president, with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come into the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media right now. you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. you should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. >> in ukraine, that you say, what problems we have. >> i have been to one. i have

actually, i've actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. >> not quite how he described it. i mean, things went from 0 to 60 in that 42nd clip. tara, jd vance seemed to really enjoy his role there, as you can tell, when he was talking to hannity, a lot of laughing through his description of what happened on friday. >> yeah, i mean, he it was almost like they were watching the watch what happens live like a, you know, bravo clip. and then they were laughing together about it, even though it's obviously high stakes diplomacy. but he's obviously egging zelenskyy on, calling it propaganda tours, questioning his. motivations and everything. >> the fact pattern there, i don't think is particularly favorable to the vice president that he has not been to ukraine ever. >> right. and he was acting almost like a podcast host who, like, jumps in and creates some sort of like some statement to create to heighten the tension. there was no defuzing. there was just this was drama. it was, as

trump said at the end, this is great television. they were in it for the drama. they wanted to show to their base at home that they were ready to punch zelenskyy in the nose, and that they were going to get some, like, get some meat from him. and that's. >> what they wanted. bruce, you've said repeatedly he needs to be more grateful. he has thanked the united states many a times. and and j.d. vance doesn't really care. he has never been in favor of aid to ukraine. so i'm not sure a thank you would have made much of a difference to him. it seems like that's just a bit of an excuse for this kind of animosity that is preexists this situation when it comes to vance. >> well, i think that he was ungrateful. he didn't say thank you in the oval office. he did try to litigate his case in the oval office, which is not the place to do that. and i think that america has been very generous. >> thank you for i mean, vance. >> billions and. billions of dollars. >> the united states, yes, has given ukraine a lot of money. he has thanked the united states on numerous occasions. he has come to this country to thank the united states. jd vance has not

ever voted for that aid. so who is he thanking exactly? donald trump also not responsible. >> for you and me. it's our taxpayer dollars. >> actually, donald trump gave ukraine. >> donald trump gave ukraine javelins. >> and obama gave. >> them blankets. i get it, i get it, i get the timing. >> you can you can denigrate. >> the talking point. but what i'm talking about. >> is the missiles are real thing. >> for ukraine in this conflict. jd vance and donald trump have both been i would say trump has been skeptical. vance has been outright opposed. so would you i mean, do you acknowledge that zelenskyy has thanked the united states? >> he has, on occasion. >> dozens of occasions. >> i will also appoint. >> dozens of occasions. >> i also will point out that in 2022, in a phone call with joe biden, joe biden had to scream at him on the phone, according to nbc news, and say, hey, you know, you could be a little more grateful for what we're doing for you in the united states. he's a frustrating guy to deal with on that. we have bipartisan presidential consensus. >> that here's the deal. as karl

rove said, the diplomacy is messy privately. and these things happen in every single conflict the united states has been a part of with our allies. we have disagreements privately. it happened during world war ii. it's happened. it happened with biden. the difference is that this played out publicly on purpose. >> right. and why go to the oval office in a language you don't really speak that well without an interpreter and pick a fight with the president, vice president, united states, regardless if you don't like what they had to say. is there some reason he couldn't just sit there and say, thank you so much? where's the papers? where's the salmon? that's all he had to do. and he literally couldn't do it. >> scott, look, i mean, i we just all saw the clip. we've all seen the clip. this was not zelenskyy like, you know, insulting this was vance inserting himself and punching back. >> why don't you just say thank you, mr. vice president? let's discuss it over lunch. >> but let's take a bigger step back. vance accuses him of propaganda tours, propaganda tours he's talking about. you know, you're conscripting people to go to the front. vladmir putin has been doing that, you know, for years in the war. to the point is that, you know, jd vance has always said he doesn't give a about

ukraine. he's never supported it. but the problem in this context is this isn't even, you know, sort of noninterventionist stuff. this is siding with russia, the aggressor in a war, something we have never done. >> we're not siding with siding with a piece. >> we play a little bit more from vance tonight. he talks about why the trump administration won't say anything negative about putin right now. >> nobody's suggesting, as secretary rubio said, no one is suggesting, that we give the nobel peace prize to vladimir putin. what we're saying is it's important for president trump to be able to have a conversation that's not well served by standing up at a press conference and calling the guy every negative name in the book, by the way, as you just said, president biden called putin every single name in the book. what did it lead to? it led to war. it led to destruction. it led to conflict. president trump is trying to bring this thing to a close. you got to be able to talk to somebody to do that. >> yeah. and he's. >> let me let valencia get well. >> i mean, going soft on putin

but going hard on zelenskyy, who is literally trying to save his country from what russia is doing. the gaslighting is just beyond, especially because if we think about it, the republicans like to use this word disrespectful entitlement when people disagree with them and push back, it becomes this you're being disrespectful and you should be grateful for these crumbs that we are giving you when this. crumbs, president. this president is literally fighting for his life. but the reality is the softening up of putin on putin. he doesn't have to say what jd vance said of like we should give putin a nobel peace prize. just the mannerisms and the way that donald trump has decided to deal with putin versus some of our allies that actually need our support is alarming, and it is mind boggling that republicans cannot agree with that fact. >> can i ask you a question? how in your mind, how does this end? how do you want it to end? >> well, it doesn't end with you berating what should be an ally. >> i'm asking you how the war ends. how does the killing.

>> negotiations behind the scenes, behind the scenes? >> to get to the table. >> you got to get to the table. but you cannot berate someone in the way that they did. >> scott. scott was absolutely. >> you don't. you don't really have. >> an i mean, listen. >> we do. we all want an end to the war. >> presidents in the past have flirted with putin. you had george w. bush saying i could look into he. >> drove him around the ranch in a truck. >> exactly. you had you had even bill clinton saying, you know, that he had felt that he had actually had a real deal with president biden. they all try they get burned later, maybe not right away, maybe after their term a decade later. but trump is clearly trying to flatter putin. he's just going way overboard. >> but it's worse than that. he is the exception to what you just laid out, which is every president thinks they've got this guy, right. and then putin. putin then turns around and double crosses them. >> you ask, scott, how does this end? this is how i situation like this ends. the larger country that invades the smaller country is realizes that their aggression is not going to be rewarded, because otherwise it will continue. that is the lesson of history. the other lesson of history is you never

have a ceasefire without a deal. that's one of the lessons we learned from world war one. so, you know, this is actually about applying the lessons of diplomacy and how you end wars. you end it by punishing the aggressor because otherwise you get more aggression. >> how do you want. >> to punish? we've been doing that. we've been doing that for three years. we've been punishing russia. the fact of the matter is that scott is absolutely right. zelenskyy had a chance to sign the mineral deal. and yes, that would have been a security guarantee. he made a strategic and diplomatic blunder by not doing that, because if we had that kind of financial interest in the ukraine, we would be more invested in the ukraine. it would have been a great for zelenskyy to sign that deal, except it it would have been the smart thing to do. i don't know that he's a smart guy. >> but you're not really addressing what avalon just said, which is that you have to show putin that invading another country is not going to be rewarded. >> how do you do. >> that for three years? yeah, but what is the alternative that you're suggesting then? >> have an end game, get a ceasefire, stop.

>> the killing. is the end game laid out? like, what is the end game? how much of ukraine does putin get to. >> the end game? is that there would have to be a settlement based on adjusting some of the boundaries. there would have to be some face saving for putin. i don't like the guy, but he's in charge. you got to deal with him and you also have to have face saving for zelenskyy. so in any kind of deal that you make where there's a settlement, both sides have to walk away from the table as if they were a little unhappy. >> i understand that, but i think. >> zelenskyy wants it. >> all from the perspective of zelenskyy and frankly, europe. they also want to make sure that putin understands you can't just keep doing this and you just get a little bit now, a little bit later, a little bit even later. well, i think so far it doesn't seem like the trump administration is interested in that part of the conversation. >> but regardless of how europe wants putin to feel, i mean, he's looking over at these other european countries that have virtually no militaries to speak of. however, it looks at the end of this ukrainian war, the problem for european national security is not this

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falling jobless claims, rising federal worker layoffs disrupting local economies, federal spending slowdowns disrupting services, immigration crackdowns hurting homebuilding and market swings rattling investors. the the stock market really just said it pretty clearly. it's down today as a result of all of this and the threats of tariffs. remember that when we started off in this process, trump said that this was about immigration, this was about fentanyl. it's not about fentanyl. it's not about immigration. it's just that he likes tariffs. he wants to put them on. and now we're in a trade war. justin trudeau says they're going to put tariffs in place to. our tariffs will remain in place until the u.s. trade action is withdrawn. we are in active and ongoing discussions with provinces and territories to pursue several non-tariff measures, measures as well. >> i think multiple things can be true. number one, i do think it's about immigration and fentanyl. president been clear about that from the beginning

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>> difficult time to invest. >> i'm sorry, i can't be particularly positive on it. >> i hear from a. >> lot of businesses. >> we're going to. >> take certain actions. but we're going to slow. >> it. >> down because of the uncertainty. >> how do you think tariffs will impact inflation. >> over time? there are tacks on on goods. i mean, you know the tooth fairy doesn't pay them. i mean. >> look they are a tax on american consumers. but also this is a republican administration that's supposed to be injecting certainty into the economy, giving businesses the confidence to invest, to make big, bold decisions. they are saying that is not happening. the opposite is. >> well, i think donald trump wants us to have economic security. he wants us to have energy security, and he wants us to have manufacturing security. with so many goods being manufactured outside of the united states. just look at the chips and look at all the other things that are manufactured in china. he wants to bring those jobs back to america, and that's why he got the union vote this time, because the union. workers agree. they want

they want these jobs in the united states. >> automakers would be one, because there's a lot of auto plants in both countries. you move it here, you don't pay the tariffs. >> we were talking about this a few weeks ago. the automakers say this is terrible for them. cars are not just made in any one country. there are parts that are brought in from from both canada and mexico. and it will be impossible to put cars together. this is what one automaker said impossible to continue manufacturing at the levels that they're at with the tariffs putting a hit on their margins. >> and not only that, cars are expected to raise over $10,000, right. this is about main street, not just wall street, but i mean, the reshoring of essential manufacturing. i'm for it. you know what the chips and science act, the bipartisan bill that passed during the biden era, that's when we started moving those those companies back then. >> by the way, i should also add that trump is defunding the implementation of the chips act. >> so. >> but there's a huge chips deal in arizona. >> yes, i saw that. >> coming from taiwan. >> i got it, i got it. but that was also part of the overall effort of the chips act to try to make sure we weren't dependent on taiwan. that predates the trump administration. this is about

basically hitting ourselves in the face with a rake. this is stepping on a rake for the national economy at a time of instability. this does not help. and if anybody woke up and said if we don't, 2015 said america was going to be aligned with russia and having tariffs on mexico and canada, you'd say bernie sanders was president. >> we're not aligned with russia. >> you know, they have already. >> promised saying we. >> are elon musk. donald trump said there will be pain. right. that's what they've already said. and to actually subsidize some of these, like agriculture exports, like soybeans that go off to china, they're going to need usda to help these farmers out. you're going to need, you know, sort of grants, and you're going to need to help people be able to afford this, or they're going to, you know, during the next election, they're going to vote for democrats. and i don't think that they're ready to add new entitlements and new grants and funding to make up for this, because it happens in red states, too. >> well, and you make actually a really good point, this piece about pain, this is going to inflict a lot more pain on the american people. the approval ratings of what donald trump is doing around the economy continues to go down. you mentioned usda and all these aid

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congressmen decided to shut down because they couldn't withstand the heat. this actually what is happening to federal workers and the public service that they provide to all of us, regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, it shouldn't be a partisan issue. the fact that people are not only losing jobs and shifting their entire livelihoods, it's impacting the way that this country is run and the way that people are able to get aid, have opportunity, all of these things, it's impacting health care. it's also really interesting that you mentioned some of the people that are coming to the state of the union tomorrow, particularly veterans. republicans always talk about veterans and supporting our veterans and supporting our troops. but yet here we are gutting the ability to actually even provide care. and so it is sending a strong message. i do hope democrats do more with these workers, because i know there are a lot of workers who talked about running for office, going into different districts and saying, hey, this is what's happening to us. >> so about a third of the federal workforce is veterans. and the new york times spoke to one of them, this marine corps

veteran and a former internal revenue service project manager from connecticut. he was fired just five days after he completed his probationary period. he voted for trump in november, and he said it was too early to decide whether or not he regretted it. but he said, i'd like to think that veterans are a nonpolitical issue. for us to be thrown to the side like that. i wasn't expecting that to happen. there is politically, i think, a shift happening as some of this starts to become more real and the chaos of how it's being done, i think, is not hitting the american people. well. >> i just think that people did not vote for doge. they really didn't. trump was not coming in there saying, i'm going to slash and burn the entire federal government. he said, i'm going to lower inflation. i'm going to fix the economy, and i'm going to see i'm going to stop the migration at the border. and that's why people voted for him. they didn't vote for elon musk and his crazy like, doge characters. these incels that are running around tearing through the government. it's true. i don't think they care that 500 people got fired from. they only saved $80

billion or something. >> couple of things. >> one and republicans is not even real savings. i mean they've deleted literally just deleted some of these fictitious numbers that they put on the website. according to the new york times. >> republicans absolutely voted for this. okay. >> people do not want government waste, that's for sure. but they didn't vote for. >> yeah, they. >> did for servers to get fired. >> look. >> i didn't vote for the parks to be closed. >> look, you. >> guys. >> you guys keep trying to create this fantasy land where donald trump is not popular, where republicans are mad. he is. >> republicans are mad. can you shut down the town hall? >> can you can you name a single democrat in congress who is more popular than donald trump right now? answer. >> no. scott. >> the reality is. the republicans i know republicans, republicans are so happy with this. they're not upset about it. no, they the american people are happy about what's going on right now because for the first time in a long time, a president said, i'm actually going to reduce. >> the. >> size of, i. >> love you. i know you like numbers and you like polls. so, like, let's put the poll up. the question is, has trump had the

right priorities since he's been in office? 52% say no and just 40% say yes. so his his job approval. >> is roughly 50%. >> congressional democrats, 21%. okay. he's he's he is underwater. and yes, he's according. >> to us, but not according to the averages. >> the democrats. but but if you're claiming that everything that he's doing is popular, it's actually very clear in the polling that specifically the doge stuff is not popular. >> i don't think that's clear cut. >> the economy is not popular with all of the polling that the way that he's handling the economy is not popular either. >> handling biden's economy. >> let's see what they find. let's see what doge finds. first of all, the epa administrator lee zeldin found $2 billion going for a not for profit agency that prior to that had $100 in revenue. nobody had been trained to handle a budget, much less a budget of $2 billion. there's $2 billion right there. that was going to a political slush fund. i mean, they are just starting to look under the rug, and they're going to find a lot of. >> stuff that is true. and that that is really fraud. then by all means, absolutely. but we

also know that when reporters have started looking into the claims of fraud, sometimes they're not even contracts that exist. headlines about canceled projects saving $2 billion that were actually canceled years ago in the biden administration, some that were canceled a decade over a decade ago in the bush administration. i mean, some of this is just not real, and the money is not adding up to anything. >> if you want to go and deal with waste, fraud and abuse. i mean, the gao did a report showing it was a quarter of $1 billion a year. you could start there. in the past, when we've done these sort of hoover commissions, they were done in a bipartisan basis. what's happening right now is, though, that you are going to see where the republican workers who get fired are going to give a scott. and also people who have been frustrated righteously about the middle class squeeze that's been going on for decades about the affordability crisis. the tariffs aren't going to help that. they're going to hurt it. and so you take it all this is this starts feeling, you know, when you when you've got elon musk sort of running these cuts and making broad, broad based cuts that impact people's lives, some of whom voted for donald

trump. and you start getting a government that works even less well while costs keep going up because of tariffs, that's not a good combination for mainstream. >> america veterans to go look. but but you know, scott, i'll give you this point. i this is increasingly unpopular for trump. but democrats they got a lot of work to do. and it starts tomorrow. coming up next, the panel will give us their nightcaps wear casual attire should be accepted after adam sandler's big oscars moment last night. >> tell us about accepting bribes. >> the stuff he did that was completely legal destroys democracy. i'm still not sure that you're repentant. >> i have nothing to hide. >> if he hadn't been such a, he would have gotten away with it. >> they would. >> abuse her on television. >> it was this unholy combination of overwhelming greed. >> and money. >> it's not a bribe. it's trading favors. >> united states of scandal with

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