big? is it bloated? people say, yes. and i think that's sort of part of what's fueling musk here. um, but when it when it comes down to stories, powerful stories, human stories, and don't forget more than 80% of federal government jobs are not in washington, d.c.. i mean, these are people who work in communities all over the country. there are going to be, you know, moderate republican members ofo are going to have people losing to m those people. it's going to potentially have economic impact. i saw some news about some national weather service centers in oklahoma that were were being targeted to be shut down. i mean, there there will be waterfall economic impact here. and so i think as the stories continue to come to the surface, and it's less about the numbers and more about the humans behind the stories, i do think that there will be there will be political. >> blowback., a little more sympathetic to david's point. but where i, where i disagree is that i think it's a mistake to constantly talk about the story

being what's happening to the federal workers, even though i think what's happening to the federal workers is unfair. the to me, the problem is it's an approach to public policy. donald trump and the republicans control government. they are the ones who are there to govern right now. and a vast swath of what they're doing is stuff to government is they are they're like the the caddies at caddy day at the bushwood country club, running in, jumping into the pool, tearing everything down rather than saying, like what they're doing at nih is a crime, as far as i'm concerned. what they should be doing is saying, what can we do to make government better? and if it requires firing people, fine, right. but what can we do to govern better? instead, they're treating it as if they are raiding vikings, heading into a village, just slashing and burning. can you say if you send emails out to people saying you'll get a buyout, if you take this and you have eight months off before, you know, we stop paying you. the people who are going to take that offer aren't the people you want to

let go. >> that's my point. >> and the people that you want to get rid of aren't going to take the. >> hold on, hold on. you can't hold on to be fired. >> one of their points was they said they felt like just a number. they weren't human. the name of the game was chaos. there was no coordination. one person was fired twice. you heard him talk about that. it was back. >> and forth. >> and then there were supervisors who were not informed. but i think your larger point is what i've heard continuously now, david, is the idea of, well, this is how corporate america does it. what do you all think about the distinction between how the federal government should be right sized and how a corporation should be? should there be a distinction? >> well, listen, but wait, hold on. in corporate. >> america. >> you could be fired. >> you know this law. >> for. >> any reason at what's called an at will employee. >> so hold on. yeah. >> any reason? as long as it's not violating public policy. and the federal government, you can't. you're protected. >> okay. >> why? why the air quotes. >> that's because you're protected. because you're protected. so? >> so tell. >> you why. i don't know. i'd like to hear why. >> it's not just because people like bloat. it's because in the old days when people didn't have those protections, you had

what was called patronage. and every time a new mayor came in, or a governor or president, they would get rid of all the qualified people and they'd bring in their cousins, their next door neighbors, or whatever. and what americans got sick of that. they said, could we actually just have a professional workforce that wasn't going to be subbed out every time? you know, this mayor came in and we got used to having and guess what happened when you had a professional civil service which had no bribes, no corruption. you have a great government. you go to other countries. it's not that way. so what you're doing is you're reintroducing the system that our grandparents got rid of. but now you're going to throw anybody out. you want to bring in loyalists and bring in people. you got to give loyalty oath. that's not america. >> but you can't fine. but corporate lay offs. >> the bad. >> people. >> corporate lay offs are treated very i mean they are they are not. they may be chaotic to those who are experiencing the layoffs, but they are far more structured. there is far there is more advancement. there is often shareholders who are part of the discussions as well. this seems to be more haphazard. doesn't that occur to you as being problematic, or is this in line with what you think should happen? >> listen. >> i think that, um, i wish that

there was the system allowed bad, bad employees. i wish the system allowed the trump administration to go through and systematically eliminate bad employees, go through. >> their through their empire because it is it is. >> incredibly. listen. >> you are you are incredibly naive. if you. >> think that you can remove federal employee within five years. it is it is like it is. it's like getting. >> rid of, you know, who can. >> they tell? >> congress can write legislation. >> you can write legislation. >> joe. again. jonah. right. >> like. well, i know, but like, i could i could be. >> six five and have my hair. >> grow back. right? yeah. neither of those things are happening, you know. so so it's not happening. >> and a one armed clown is a hard time. >> making balloon animals. >> i agree with you. but it is the role of congress. >> to write legislation. >> the government is bloated which the determination this the trump administration says we need to make change. the american people say we want to have change. the only way to change it is in this draconian method. >> it's not true. here's the deal. no way to. >> fire people. unfortunately. >> you can fire people for cause. if elon musk is telling the truth, then you got people

on there that they're stealing it. show the proof and fire for cause that's not what they're doing. they are dumping good and bad out the back door, and they're doing it in a way. and when you talk about the national institutes of health, how are you going to parade that poor kid with cancer out there and then turn around and destroy the national institutes of health, who's doing all the medical research? the stuff doesn't make sense. it's going to hurt a lot of people. it's going to set america back. and it's not just crying about the people who lost their jobs. they were doing jobs americans need. now, if they could do it better, that's great. but you throw them out the door. it's the wrong way to do it. >> what about kate's point, though? and you made this about the idea of the premise of eliminating fraud and waste is almost universally accepted. >> i'm for that. >> but the idea here is the vehicle by which you do so. and so you have some of the veterans. people have been talking before about this. i interviewed them myself about the idea of they didn't necessarily realize they'd be the collateral damage in this way, although the premise they agree with. how do you, as democrats, address that very point, knowing people are on board with waste being eliminated, and yet there is collateral damage? >> well, some of it is elevating

the stories. i think some of it is democrats making sure that there are human faces, that. >> they know that human faces. right. we know that. >> but i think they're going to continue. i think over time they're going to continue to to lift. i think you're going to continue to see people like we just saw who are willing to step forward and say, this happened to me. i think there will be, you know, people who will have sympathetic stories, who will be unafraid to come out and tell them. and i think as people hear those stories, it will become less an exercise in in shrinking. you know, in shrinking budget lines and more in humanity. but i also think there are, um, really politically powerful ways to talk about how, uh, what doge is doing is, is potentially going to hurt people. and i think elissa slotkin actually did this really well tonight in raising social security, which, um, you know, musk has said is the ultimate ponzi scheme. i mean, social security historically has been a political third rail in this country, multiple, uh, you know, republican administrations have tried to privatize social security. people react

incredibly poorly when they feel like, uh, hands are being laid on their social security. and i think that is one avenue that where, from a messaging perspective, where democrats can talk about these cuts being haphazard and going at things that are are fundamental to people being able to survive. so there are there are more, um, politically resonant ways. >> there's an irony there. right, which is that right now the trump administration is sounding like they can, uh, eliminate 40% of the deficit with 17% of, of, of government expenditure in terms of, in terms of what payroll and compensation is. it's just a tiny part of the budget that will not balance the budget in any way. and the only way you can actually get close to eliminating the massive deficits in this country is by figuring out some reforms for social security and medicare and medicaid. that's where the that's what's driving us into fiscal insolvency. and instead they're pretending that the democrats are saying and now

donald trump saying you can't touch any of that, and instead that somehow we're going to balance the budget when total compensation is like $400 billion a year and the deficit was over $1 trillion, it just doesn't the math doesn't work. >> it sounds like we're going to have to have a continued conversation on what the electorate thinks their tolerance for pain is. everyone stand by. well, we are six weeks into donald trump's push to reshape america as we know it. and tonight, the president telling the nation he's just getting warmed up. i'm laura coates. >> and i'm abby phillip. president trump spoke for nearly 100 minutes in his first address to congress since returning to power. it was the longest congressional address in modern american history. trump leaned into culture wars. he praised elon musk and the doge firings.

he doubled down on his trade war, and he made a big reveal about ukraine. he said a lot of things. it will not come as a surprise to you that are not true. and he's vowing that there is a lot more to come. >> we have accomplished more in 43 days than most administrations accomplished in four years or eight years, and we are just getting started. >> well, president trump's appearance at the capitol was contentious from the moment he walked in. one democrat held a sign saying this is not normal. as the president walked to the dais. but not all the protests were silent. a short time after the speech started, congressman al green was removed from the chamber after heckling trump and then refusing to sit down. >> green. >> the chair now directs the sergeant at arms to restore

order. remove this gentleman from the chamber. >> but. >> now. >> members are directed to uphold and maintain decorum in the house. >> all right. let's talk about those democratic antics. astead herndon. what did you make of that? i mean, there was a big debate going on privately, maybe a little publicly among democrats about what they should do. should they hold up signs, should they throw eggs? should they scream and yell? al green decided to scream and yell. >> yeah, i think we saw the evidence of a disjointed party just by the range of the responses. honestly, think with al green did will be appreciated by some of those in the base, and it makes more sense to me to either go or stand up like that congressman did. then they kind of do what they did in between, right? with the signs. >> the church fans. >> the church fans. it reminded me of just how far their donald trump is and those made for tv moments. and democrats still

haven't found out what their response to that is. and so i think i think the contentiousness the devolving of decorum, all of that are things that are legacies of donald trump. democrats did not invent that. but i don't think tonight, if you're a if you're a democrat looking for how your party is getting out of the wilderness, uh, al green and the and i think more than that, just the juxtaposition, the fact that the democrats left with him like it didn't seem like a unified. cohesive response. like, you take what slotkin said, which had some interesting points in it versus some of that theater. i still think it's a party that's mostly focused on performance rather than policy. >> they were trickling out at the end, but probably more because of boredom than anything else. toward the end, you could see some of them. they were on their phones, um, and i think that some people noted that there were some moments when they could have given something, some really emotional moments with the moms of victims of crime, migrant crime that trump likes to tout, but victims nonetheless. that little boy who

was battling cancer. there were so many moments, you know, the american who was detained in russia were those missed opportunities? >> yeah, i think it's a came off to some people as cheap theatrics. and i think we've reached a point in our politics where there's no such thing as bad attention. and so any, any way to get into the news cycle, even if that means, uh, you know, getting escorted out of the state of the union by security is considered a smart move in today's media environment. but i don't think a race to the bottom is where the democrats want to be when it comes to donald trump. and i think by showing grace and some showing some fortitude and by showing some manners, especially in those moments that you mentioned, where there are things that they could clearly get behind would actually do them more good than just, you know, following this pattern of just, you know, lashing out and sort of, you know, making sure that they're they're being disruptive just to say we could be disruptive, too, because in a race to the bottom, the trump people are going to win. they're

going to win that race to the bottom. if that's if that's what it becomes. >> were you surprised? i mean, some of the the instant polls that we got out of this showed that i think it was 44% said that they had a favorable view of what trump had to say tonight. that's lower than he got for his previous remarks to congress. um, i was a little surprised by that. it's a slightly more republican audience watching tonight. i think a lot of democrats have turned this thing off. um, but they were kind of so-so about it. >> well, they're so, so about it because it hasn't sunk in right now. and everybody knows that donald trump goes out and makes these grandiose statements. i mean, these statements that are let's go beyond not factual. i mean, there's just no way that they could ever be put into place. he talked about balancing the budget, you know, and we just heard jonah goldberg just before us talking here, talking about how. >> credible plan. >> there is no credible plan to do that at all. and donald trump just seems to thrive off of this

abbey. he just seems to be able to thrive off of the chaos, throw a bunch of stuff out there and then just let it let it lie. i will tell you this though. the poll tonight was not reflective of the republican party as a whole. right now, the republican party as a whole is 88% behind donald trump, and he has runway to try to get his agenda through, at least through the next six months. >> at least among republicans. but you're starting to see some cracks, right? i think people have been a lot of the polling that i've seen, it's pointed to the same direction. most americans just think he's not focused on the right things. they agree that he's doing a lot of stuff. they just think he's focused on certain things that are not as important to them. >> and they're absolutely right. and so i think one of the things that we saw tonight was a great performance, right? this is what donald trump is known for, his showmanship. there were moments that were flat out just untrue. there were lots of declarations. there were people that were brought in and celebrated. i think someone described it at one point as like oprah's favorite things and things being

just given away and celebrated, but it was also completely divorced from reality. right. so you're talking about we're going to have the strongest nation in the world. we're going have the strongest economy in the world. on the day that the market is right, essentially in the toilet, that people are losing their 401 s, right. don't look at it. don't take a look at it that people are looking at things like, you know, trump has really touted cryptocurrency and bitcoin and these things or an a.i. and those things are also in the toilet. there's a lot of instability that's going on there. so as people are looking and listening to what donald trump is saying, they're also saying this doesn't reflect what is actually going on in my life, what i experience. and so i think actually a really great example of this is that donald trump in the middle of the speech, brings up this idea of the cost of eggs. and he said, these are biden's eggs. the problem with this is biden's eggs. the problem with that is donald trump made a promise that on day one, that the eggs were going to be the focus, the price of eggs were going to drop, and we were going to see better eggs than we had ever seen before. have we seen that? no. have people seen that? absolutely

not. it's actually increased by 41% since his first day. >> i mean, when he talked about the economy, i want to play this card. he talked about inflation and it was all really backward looking. it was basically saying, this is what i inherited. >> and now. >> the tariffs are not just about protecting american jobs. they're about protecting the soul of our country. tariffs are about making america rich again and making america great again. and it's happening and it will happen rather quickly. there'll be a little disturbance. but we're okay with that. it won't be much. >> i thought his acknowledgment of the possibility of disturbance was interesting, and it seems to be the baseline for what we've already seen, because doge has been so chaotic, because tariffs threaten to not only, you know, ruin 401 k, but increase prices at target that they're announcing next week. i

think it was some acknowledgment of the reality that we've seen some republicans feel uncomfortable on this point. but i, you know, donald trump of the state of the union is the donald trump that we have known. and i think most americans have known, too. and it's the one that americans chose over the democratic party. and so for whatever the reality of his lies, of the lack of, you know, of the lack of clear plan on things like balancing the budget or even the chaos that we have seen even in relationship to ukraine and things like friday. i also think that it's come at an expectation that a lot of people already have of him. and so one thing i think is a not effective strategy for democrats to do is to pretend to be surprised, because i don't think actually most people are surprised. i think you have to deal with the reality of what it is, and you can certainly tell stories about the impact. it could be different than what i think most people voted for him for, because they were in a binary choice. but this is donald trump, and he's going to he's going to roll with him. we know this. we already know that he's going to choose himself. >> i mean, there's a level of

of of familiarity with the first term, with the tariffs and the and the the bellicose rhetoric. but there's something different this time. i spent all week talking to people about these tariffs, especially china and mexico and canada tariffs. and they all said the same thing. business leaders, lawmakers, they said this time is different because there's no strategy, there's no plan. and everything changes every five minutes. it's one thing to have a tariff strategy, oh, this is good. this is bad. we can plan for this. we can hedge against this. but this time it's like, oh, 10%, 20%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 2%. and that's chaos. that's chaos is not good for anyone. there's no way to. >> say it. >> but his advisers also, they don't fully buy into it. i mean, this is clearly trump's personal hobbyhorse. i mean, you don't. >> know what he's going to do. >> yeah. i mean, you had, uh, a member of his cabinet on tonight with kaitlan collins basically saying, well, this is about reciprocal tariffs. well, actually, no, it's not the 25% on mexico and the 25% on on canada, not reciprocal. it's

just because trump likes them. >> yeah. exactly. exactly. and you know what's interesting too is that, you know you know donald trump goes out makes these, you know, these grand statements and instead is absolutely right. because if we go back to his first term and he would make these statements, we'd say, oh, you know, maybe it's good that world leaders are afraid of donald trump because, oh, he's so unpredictable. but the reality is he's not going to go to war. he's not going to do this. he's not going to cut a deal with. >> with putin. >> right now. it's like if he says he's going to do something and you don't think he's going to do it, then you're the fool. >> and that is in a way, what trump has accomplished tonight. he sends a very clear message. i'm doing things that i want to do, and whether you like it or not, that. >> is, he's going to change his mind tomorrow about what that is. >> whether you like it or not. the message that's coming through to the american people is effectiveness. it's effectiveness. so i think that's what democrats have to combat. coming up next, we've got much more of our special coverage of president trump's joint address to congress, including his claim that he is

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premieres sunday at ten on cnn. >> well, tonight president trump claims to be the champion of the first amendment. but his first month and a half in office. >> all government censorship and brought back free speech in america. it's back. >> but his first month in office. month and a half, so to speak, doesn't actually reflect that. trump signed executive orders attempting to ban di programs from both inside and outside of government. his early actions have also tried to control what can and what cannot be taught in schools. he banned the associated press from the oval office and air force for using the words gulf of mexico instead of gulf of america. now, today, he even threatened colleagues and colleges that allow, quote, illegal protests. let's talk about all this now with my panel here. um, can he

can both be true? can he? >> what are you talking about? he just. >> was the question. go ahead. >> he'd be lying. i mean. i'm just his late at night. we can just talk. honestly. he be lying? that makes no sense. he says he's bringing back free speech. as long as you agree with him. that's not free speech. that's the opposite of free speech. and i think that, you know, you do have republicans who are honestly concerned that there are these speech codes from the left that if you speak out, you might get canceled. that's a real thing. i think the left needs to look at itself on that. but donald trump is not the answer. he is. he's the counselor in chief. he's he's he's he is literally doing the opposite once again of what he says he's going to do. >> he's also notoriously thin skinned, right? i mean, he's somebody who is is he is as we've seen, he can be very easily wounded by criticism. and so i think the idea that he's sort of the champion of free speech here, i mean, in more in more seriously, i think, uh, just the directive to ban

protests on college campuses, even again, there's, you know, as a, as a, a democrat, i look at some of the protests that happened, you know, after october 7th on college campuses. and i was horrified by a lot of what i saw. but the idea that we would ban protests on a college campus that is sort of the opposite historically, that's kind. >> of the opposite. >> of free speech in the. >> united states. >> i think your point is well taken in terms of what protests are being banned. right? i don't think they're banning all protests. i think they're specifically geared towards the anti-semitic, the rampant anti-semitism on lots of college campuses. i think that's what. >> that's the language of the. >> problem is, is that protest really isn't by itself a very meaningful legal word. i will say, as the only person on this panel who donald trump tried to have fired from both national review and fox news on. >> the night is young. >> yeah. >> um. >> uh, no, he he believes in canceling people. um, and i think it's it's a little ironic. jd vance had just went to munich and lectured the germans about how stupid they were and illiberal they were for

not having a laxer view towards free speech from, say, neo-nazis. um, and his wife is coming out with, with a program that i completely endorse about cracking down on digital revenge porn and a.i. images that are grotesque and all that kind of stuff. um, but that's coming down on on speech, too. now, my problem is the way we talk about censorship in this country is everybody is in favor of censorship. they just don't call the things that they think they're they don't call the censorship. they're in favor of censorship. but like, i think we're all agreed that kiddy porn can be banned, right? can we ban all sorts of things? we can curtail some speech. the question is, where do you draw the lines and all that kind of stuff? and the trump administration draws lines that fit a political agenda on speech, rather than any sort of clear delineation of principle. and that's the problem. >> but, jonah, to be fair, the biden administration. right. i mean, think about back during covid. i mean, this is not. >> they weren't great either.

>> this isn't david urban speaking. this is, you know, all the social media companies saying, hey, we were called in by the white house and said, we can't have certain search terms. and, you know, we can't do you can't look at this. you can't look at that. you look at ivermectin. we're going to send you to different websites. right. i mean, so. >> i'm happy to condemn that too. >> yeah. >> i mean, this isn't like a this is a pox on all houses. >> yeah. for sure. >> so then what are the lines that democrats you mentioned, van that you thought that democrats should do some self-reflection as well on this very issue is what he's saying, even though it seems a little bit for me, not for thee in terms of free speech. are democrats missing the mark in terms of what the people think should be those boundaries? >> i think that democrats got in a situation where we, um, were so intolerant of people we thought were intolerant that we became intolerable ourselves in the way that we handled that. and i think that that i think that paid a cost us. so you you did have voters, uh, working class voters, non-college voters

who started to feel like, man, i can't open my mouth around these progressives if i don't if i'm not somebody who went to college, uh, eats kale and does yoga. i just better be quiet. and so i do think that that became a part of the backlash against progressives. but that conversation from the right is hard for me to hear. when you have people in florida trying to ban books with government action, trying to attack corporations and tell them what they can and can't do with government action. uh, so it's just i think i have no problem looking in the mirror on our side, but i have a hard time hearing donald trump or anybody from the right lecturing the left about free speech when banning books and all the other stuff that donald trump. >> by. >> the way, this is not novel, though. i mean, we remember when then former president barack obama was told the former president was speaking about the giving an admonition about being too controlling about the language and intolerant about what could be actually said generationally. and so democrats were on notice that this may

have been intolerable, to use your words, even from somebody who was the leader of their party. so now, what's the course correction? >> well, i think we're trying i think we're going to see some of it. yeah. she did i think a very nice job tonight speaking to people's core economic concerns, talking about, you know, being, uh, you know, from a working class community. um, but i think you're i mean, your point about barack obama is, is absolutely right. and he was i mean, he was, um, vocal about the dangers of cancel culture early on, long before this last election cycle. i mean, he's somebody who really, i think, saw where the democratic party was making big mistakes and really called it out. and, um, you know, i do think that that was one of the lessons that leaders in the party took from this last election cycle. i think that's a good thing that they did. and i think that there will be an attempt at course correction. um, but because ultimately. >> ultimately. >> where where do you see it? >> you don't see. >> we saw this. you saw it. slotkin. but the young guy we

just saw. >> max. >> yeah. max. he's not talking to that same way. >> he was. he was actually. he was terrific. >> slotkin didn't come out and say, hey, listen, we hear you. we get that, you know, people are afraid of you. misgender somebody. you're going to get canceled, right? we we get we overplayed our hand as democrats, right? she's not reading the back of the people. no one is saying no one in your party. >> the thing about. >> republicans overplaying their hand in the assumption that this is the appropriate correction. because there's got to be a balance. >> i think the balance is like people just want to say like, merry christmas to people. they don't want to worry about. like saying, listen, if you're if you're pronouns or whatever they are, that's great. i'm not i don't feel compelled to call you by your pronouns. but don't don't get mad at me if i don't. right. so i don't think that's a over course correction too much at this point. i think that's kind of coming back to the center. >> you got you guys jump up and down the same pogo stick about these people and their pronouns. meanwhile, they're literally banning books. you can't even read. >> you can't read tony. yes. you can't read toni morrison, you can't read toni morrison's banned. >> the federal government's not banning books. local hold on

local. >> republicans, local. >> school boards. >> who elected. yeah. >> so if you get elected, your school listen education is a distinctly local function. >> and and. >> so school boards vote on what they determine. they establish book councils and they say this is where we deem appropriate for our schools. and the. >> librarians who i know. will look, look, look, look at john. and i agree again. >> there, there are, there are, there are excesses all over the place. there were excesses from the like the woke left about books that they didn't like in various schools. and there. >> was dumb too. >> yeah. >> that's right. >> mark twain. >> america has america both left and right in the country, have an illiberalism problem is that. >> i agree. >> with that. and the the thing is, you know, kate was saying how she likes cranky jonah. well, uh, one of the. >> curmudgeon. jonah. >> curmudgeon. jonah. so one of the biggest pieces of bs in this culture in the last 25 years has been all of this banned book week nonsense. if you actually look at what pen america and the american library association, which is a crazy left wing

organization, if you actually look at their examples of banned books over the last 25 years, like 98% of them are about pta telling librarians these books are age inappropriate for little kids and that kind of stuff, and they call them banned. >> but that's not anymore. listen, i agree with you. there's a bunch of nonsense, but you literally have, uh, toni morrison, who's a, what, nobel prize or pulitzer prize winner, i don't know, god prize winning author, but because she writes about, you know, the black experience is called woke, and you can't get it in the library. that's wrong. >> i agree, it's wrong. >> that's wrong, i agree that's wrong. >> i don't accept that at all. i'm not sure. >> i'm again, i'm not calling you out of it, but like, show me the libraries because i'm not sure that where. jonah i agree with jonah on this much more because i've seen this in school districts, right? they get book lists that are completely if you look at them, they'll be like, you look at your kid. you'd say, i'm not sure, sure, my kindergarten needs to be reading this. >> right? and so that's. >> that's what banning books. >> is called. >> if something is too sexually explicit, that's not my problem. i'm talking about if

it's talking about native americans, we can't. it's woke talking about. >> black folk. >> it's woke. it's talking about this. it's woke does it? if it's explicit, that's gross. i'm not for that. i'm talking about basic history stuff. if the left is saying that mark twain can't be taught because of use the n-word, that's stupid. what about that? >> that's not the main problem. you. question. >> you question. >> the federal funding. federal hook. what about federal funding being taken away from schools that are not adhering to the principles that he is talking about? that's that's a hook that's more than a local school board. how about the idea of the education department that he's trying to eliminate? and it also has repercussions of a variety of titles that will have impacts on things. i mean, you can talk about the book banning in a very nuanced way, but there are thematically deeper and larger issues. so away from book banning, are you all in you're in agreement that this is just a localized issue, that. >> it's i. >> listen, i think it's mostly localized issue. i think the federal government's role in education. look, when, uh, you know, the national teachers union, when the when the department of education was

formed, opposed it. right. so i think department of education should be shuttered and the money should go back to the local, local government, state, local governments, you know, it's much more effective. schools are much more effective. local control is much more important than. >> somebody in the department. >> of defense. you are a you're a veteran yourself. and so in that respect, in defense, they have talked about not having certain defense, um, funded schools, having this sort of quote unquote woke, including isn't there a book about freckles by julianne moore that can't be a part of it. i don't know why that's so woke. >> i don't know the book you're speaking about, but, you know, i think, look, there's and i'm not sure who's making those calls right now. i think it's up to the individual, like school districts and the pta and the local folks to make the decisions for themselves. so i don't know if it is a dod policy. i'm not familiar with it. i'm not familiar with the book. but look, if it's bad, if it's intolerant, then it's bad. i don't. >> come back to this. >> moment, though. i want to talk about what happened tonight and this idea of the president trump saying he stopped all government censorship and brought back free speech in

america. it's back. he signed executive orders to ban dei programs. yes, obviously hyperbolic, but he. >> also balanced the budget, which is also ten kinds of crazy. >> i hear you. and yet this is a state this is somebody addressing a joint session of congress. and you have voters who are looking at this and thinking about a kind of victory lap. and so democrats have have something they have to do in response. republicans have to respond in some way in kind. what is the appropriate way? >> well, i think it's i mean, to your point, it's a it's a rhetorical, uh, message. gift directive to his to his base. he's basically it's another way to say i have shifted the cultural conversation. we're you're back to being able to say the things that, you know, you that you feel like you want to be able to say without being judged. i mean, he's to me, that's that's what it feels like. it's all it's all part of that message. um, now, obviously, as we've been discussing here, it runs counter to a lot of what they're doing substantively on policy. but that's from a from a rhetorical

standpoint. i think that's what he's trying to he's trying to signal. and so for, you know, for democrats, i think they've got to look at where, you know, where is the trump administration making cuts or or instituting policy that is going to have a detrimental impact on, on people's lives and make those arguments? i don't think getting sucked in to every single rhetorical argument that donald trump makes and every piece of bait he throws out there for his base is going to be a winning strategy, because ultimately, you're just playing on his playing field. >> always, right? always. >> and the question for for van and for uk. so, you know, trump made big inroads amongst communities of color in this election. right. and so how much of that was on cultural issues. right. and some of these things not about the freckle book or color skin thing, but on some of the more sexually explicit things. and so i think when you're democrats, you're trying to message that. right. you got to be careful because it's a message that resonated with a lot of people who are not traditional republicans. right. >> you're the one that said, you know, focus on on woke and

broke. i think that. non-college voters who used to be the bread and butter for democrats got away from us. and i think we made the wrong bet. we thought that these both these parties are hypocritical. you've got the republican party supposed to be the party of lincoln, but you got a bunch of white nationalists in there. how'd they get in there? and then we're supposed to be the party of the working class. we got a bunch of elitist college folks in our party. how do we get. but we thought, your party is going to blow you up first. instead, our hypocrisy, the elitism, the cultural snobbery blew us up first. so now you guys are riding high for a minute, but you still have a bunch of problems in your party. you just kind of mask them over because you got a bunch of bluster. we have to fix this elitism problem in our party. you can love everybody. you can respect everybody. you can stick up for everybody without putting anybody else down. we got in this trap. in order for me to praise a black person, i've got to say, all whites are racist. in order for me to praise a woman, i got to say, all men are toxic. in order for me to pray and you start putting people down to lift somebody else up,

that did not work. but we get. >> away from that. i mean, just to stop a second, that is a hyperbolic narrative that when people were talking about equality. i know you're making a larger point here, but i think the narrative has been that democrats were exclusively trying to have these, you know, either or scenarios as opposed to some of the nuances. i understand that democrats missed the mark on a number of things. republicans, i appreciate the self-awareness on the part of democrats here. >> republicans waiting. >> waiting, waiting. but do you think that you are i mean, i'm not looking. >> at you. >> i'll look this way. >> uh. >> the point is, though, do you think that democrats are being too critical on themselves in a way that's going to the benefit of republicans? >> i don't i don't think so. >> not pointing at. >> you, but this one? i don't think so. look, the internet exactly, you know, makes things worse, right? so somebody tries to make the subtle point that like, there is unconscious bias or whatever, but by the time it gets refracted through twitter and everything else, it sounds like you're saying all white people suck. and so we have to

deal with how this stuff gets hurt, not what we mean and what we say, but how it gets transmogrified into stuff that's. and so doctor king now, doctor king now. doctor king was a master of being able to stick up for the underdog and still bring everybody with him. and we don't have that mastery right now in our party. >> we just. >> have to stop it here. >> in 2024. by the way. >> i mean, i got to stop here. it's 1:00 in the morning, and van just said. transmogrified. >> hey, listen, it's like. >> i know he's from california, but it's 133 on the east coast, my friend. look, the president seemingly breaking some news tonight talking about a letter ukraine's president sent him after their oval office spat. did it change his mind about zelenskyy and u.s. support for ukraine? that's next. >> when it comes to rooting out corruption, do the fbi's ends justify the means? >> it was humiliating. it's an

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to support ukraine's defense with no security. do you want to keep it going for another five years? yeah. yeah. you would say. pocahontas says yes. >> trump also read part of a letter where zelenskyy wrote that ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table. listen to this. >> earlier today, i received an important letter from president zelenskyy of ukraine. the letter reads ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. nobody wants peace more than the ukrainians, he said. >> this very special letter was also sent out on x by the ukrainian president. but what does it mean? >> well, it means that president trump's strong arm tactics to

extort zelenskyy are working. he cut off u.s. military assistance to ukraine in the middle of the war, which is a pretty serious thing to do. people can die behind that. and so zelenskyy did what trump wanted. he said, okay, you're right. i'll do whatever you want. i'll come. you know, we'll sign the deal. you don't have to give me any security guarantees. just don't cut off the vital aid while our people are fighting and dying. but there's something else going on behind the scenes that viewers may not be aware of. this is first on cnn. there's a concerted effort inside trump world. there's a battle because it's not just democrats. there are a lot of republicans, even trump, people who support ukraine and want to help ukraine, want to figure out a way to get trump to help ukraine. and that's what the minerals deal deal was. it was the way to get trump on board with helping ukraine. meanwhile, there's another group of people who are trying to get rid of zelenskyy, and they're working with members of zelenskyy's opposition to who are in the ear of people like don junior and vance and tucker carlson to try to convince trump that he can get rid of zelenskyy. i think it's crazy. i think it's destructive. i don't think it's

going to happen, but that's part of what's going on here. zelenskyy is getting attacked by his own people, working with parts of the trump administration. a lot of people don't know about that. and that's the subtext here, is that half of trump world is trying to get rid of zelenskyy, and the other half is trying to get trump to support ukraine. >> yeah. and i want you guys to weigh in. but it's. >> pretty interesting, right. >> that's that's fascinating. and it's important because the push to sideline ukraine is not just about aid. it's also about getting rid of zelenskyy as well for some people. >> oh, and you're absolutely right. in two of the three things you said, it's destructive. whatever destructive word they use. and then you said, i don't think it's going to happen. i actually think it might happen. >> and i think what's going to happen? >> i mean, i think that trump will successfully push out zelenskyy. i mean, i think we've seen over the last 72 hours that donald trump has basically taken a war that was, you know, i mean, you know, better than anyone that was at a standstill or, you know, moving in russia's direction, but not not swiftly, certainly. and donald trump has just given russia the

win. i mean, that's it. and i think zelenskyy, in order to save his country, in order to save his own people, he's just going to have to sacrifice himself publicly. >> i don't think he's going to do that. i don't think he's going to resign. i don't think that they want to set a precedent that when donald trump says, the president of your country has to go, that they're just like, okay, i got to go because that's a really bad precedent to set. he is, and it's a sovereign country. they get to choose their own leader, though. what's that? >> he's generally very popular. not more. >> popular now. >> not as popular as he was, you know, three years ago, but. >> much more popular than he was two weeks ago. >> but this is the thing with trump. i mean, he understands where public opinion in the united states has gone on this issue. more people are saying, okay, we maybe we can't do this forever. maybe we need to pull back a little bit. but i also saw some more recent numbers just this week suggesting that the american people are not particularly in favor of the united states just pulling out of our support for ukraine. i do think they get the stakes here of this conversation, but trump sees this as a i think he sees

it as an 8020 issue when it's really not actually that kind of issue. >> it's not an 80 over 20 issue. but i do think we should be a little less sure that that it's a kind of clean for the american public. i don't think the numbers really bear that out. and frankly, my experience on the campaign trail really reflects a country that was wrestling with, i think, how much investment was going to other places. it was often tied to inflation concerns, folks saying, you know, why are we sending all this money here rather than keeping it at home? and i honestly think that whether donald trump's individual actions on ukraine or even israel have are going to be seen as popular, that the america first viewpoint has won. and so i think that is actually something that goes beyond the individual ideology. and i think there's some numbers i saw some harry enten numbers that backed it up, the share of people who want compromise has gone to 31%, up to 50%. trump's rating is 20 approval points higher than biden's when it comes to handling ukraine. i mean, those aren't fake things connected. back to the last conversation,

the places where polling shows that the support for ukraine the weakest is with black and latinos, and even less so than the general public. and so when i think democrats are talking about how do they represent their base, we should be more honest. and a big chunk of that base, a big part of the people they lost in that kind of working class decline are the type of people who do not see america's investment abroad. >> and here's the problem with that number. those numbers one, everybody was against afghanistan until the biden people bungled the withdrawal and afghanistan got taken over by the taliban. then everyone was against that. so people don't like to see america lose wars. they don't like to see american allies get trampled and run over and get killed by dictators. so the polls will shift when the ukrainians realize what, when they realize what, what's going to happen when russia rolls over ukraine. so i those polls are people who are. going to have a different view when it gets really, really ugly, which is what's about to happen. >> so to ted's point, okay, a lot of noninterventionists, a lot of. peace loving democrats

don't love us being involved in foreign wars. but when that's coupled with extreme cuts at home, i'm not sure that that's the bargain that americans think they're going to get when they pull out from overseas. and they're also getting slashed at home, too. >> i also think that there's a that last week's kind of debacle in the white house with zelenskyy and with trump and with jd vance, it did a lot of damage in the larger public imagination about what the war in ukraine is supposed to be doing. what is the role of donald trump? what would it mean to pull out? and i think when you couple that with the large scale slashes that are happening across the board with other organizations, if you look at, for example, the slashing that's happening in the federal government, if you look at the explosion in lawsuits, there are increasing concerns that i think to i think to earlier points are not necessarily showing up in the way that we would imagine them on polling. one way, though, that i think is showing up, is that increasingly we are seeing people that are unhappy about the way that donald trump

is handling things, whether it be handling ukraine, handling firings that are going on across the federal government. this idea, you know, trump spent a lot of time today talking about he won the war against di and against wokeness. and what we're also seeing, though, is that there is a large segment of the population that is really unhappy about how that is being rolled out, because it feels authoritarian or authoritarian. in fact, americans have discovered what the word authoritarian finally means, right? it has come across. so i think there is a larger picture that we have to begin to see. and the other thing that i'll say here, too, is that for a lot of people, they have this image of what america should be in the world. there is something that we have been fed by all governments left, right, republican, democrat. from the time that we are children. it it is ingrained into our kind of patriotic, nationalist education that we have in this country. part of what we are seeing with donald trump is an undoing of that. and i think for many people, that is alarming in a way that they did not expect,

uh, from the campaign. >> yeah. look, this is the system that america created. and now trump seems just about ready to dismantle the whole thing. so that's the reality of what we are facing as a country here with this new administration up next for us, we're going to hear from voters across the spectrum about what they thought of that speech. and some of their answers might surprise you. stay with us. >> maybe if he hadn't been such a, he would have gotten away with. >> it. >> i'm still. >> not sure that you're repentant. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn. >> look. >> she's just sitting here building her credit. >> by oh, i forgot you were here. >> self gives you. credit for the rent you were going to pay anyways and reports it to the credit bureaus within 72 hours. free credit building for renters with self.

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group. eight of my closest friends. now, we've got four democrats, four republicans, and they had a variety of opinions about president trump's joint address to congress tonight. and i want to start with gerald over at the end here. what did you make of the speech? what did you think? >> so i have to start. >> by saying, you know. >> i have to question everything he says. can i trust what he says? you know, he's the evidence shows that he just isn't trustworthy. and he promised all these things today. but actions speak louder than words. i don't see any success here at all. i see a country, fearful people being laid off, questions about people's health. the measles outbreak. all these things are happening under donald trump's watch. and it's very concerning. you know, domestically and of course, internationally what's happening in the world as a result of him being in office. >> you were a kamala harris supporter? yes. mary ann, you were a donald trump supporter.

you were pretty effusive in your praise about his speech. what did you think? >> well. >> i was i was very. >> happy to hear. about his plans for. >> the future. i mean. >> his 40 days in. >> he's done more. >> than he ever. >> did, really. in the. >> last. >> time that he. was elected. >> um, he had a. >> lot. of bumps on the road. i really. >> respect what. >> he's trying to do. uh, sometimes he's. >> a little bombastic, but. >> i think he's sincere. i think his message about unity and getting this. >> country back in order. >> is long overdue. and yes, it's. probably going to be. ugly to, you know, set. >> the. >> course again, reset our economy. >> reset our budget. >> but i think we're going to get through it. and i think there's. >> there's a method. >> to his so-called madness. >> mark, you are a cattle and hog farmer. and trump had a specific message for farmers. he said, bear with me. yeah, there's going to be some disturbance as he levies tariffs on other nations. i wonder what you took from that. and also his

message on immigration, because i know that is a specific focus for you as an agricultural employer. >> yeah. um, yeah. we we went through this in the first his first four years when he, uh, put in those tariffs and stuff. but, uh, halfway through, uh, our agricultural commodity prices jumped up, doubled, almost tripled. what they were at when he first came in four years ago. and we know that our commodity prices, the other countries are going to put tariffs on our agricultural products. but we also know that united states farmers, we produce the most food. we are the breadbasket of the world. they want our products. okay. so they're going to they're going to hold us hostage on our agricultural products, but they're going to come back and they're going to buy. >> so you're not worried about tariffs? >> i think i think we're going to take a dip in our products. but it's going to come back. >> imagine you were a kamala harris supporter. i wonder what

you think of how democrats did this evening, how they responded to trump. there were some very obvious protests, some quiet protests and a disturbance in the middle of trump's speech by congressman al green. what did you think? >> well, i'm. >> a big proponent of. >> decor, and i think that sometimes actions. do speak louder than words. but i think that they should have, um, respected the office and not disrupted in, in that respect. and so that gave me a little bit of a pause. um, and i just, i just think that sometimes you get more. accomplished in a quiet way. >> and, carolyn, you were perhaps the most enthusiastic of our guests focus group today. uh, i wonder what you made of trump's speech from the perspective of what he could have done better. would you have any constructive criticism for the president?

>> well, his. >> theatrics. >> of course. >> i mean, i think i think the last even the. four years when he was president, before he was kind of the same. but i think because he used a president that there's never been anybody more attacked than him in the last four years, not one in the history of the u.s. and i think what happens with that is he just keeps he's like the teflon guy. nothing ever sticks. he just gets up. and is it always right? no, but he does come ahead regardless of what they throw at him. so and i think the whole butler thing. yes, i think he was safe for a reason. i'm also take homeless vets off the street. so when we're spending $60 million on illegal immigrants and $3 billion on veterans, that's a problem. >> cheri. cheri. speaking of the theatrics that we saw with trump, i wonder what you made of some of the folks that he highlighted. >> i thought those. >> were really moving touches. i

was moved. >> by those. but even that. attempt really didn't bring. >> the unity that i. >> really think. >> that america. >> is craving right now. >> i think that he. >> could have done. more than, you know. >> those few. >> highlighted individuals to bring. >> the country together. >> i think that's what is. >> really. >> needed right. >> now. >> boris, thank you so much. and also to your focus group as well. and hey, thank you all for watching. cnn's special coverage of president trump's joint address to congress continues right after this. >> you're as much. >> to blame for what happened to me as he is. >> i chose to do what i did. i don't regret it. >> may you never die until i kill you. what do you do? i'm a thief. >> you admitted. >> to a capital crime. any judge would be forced. >> to hang me. >> i told him more. >> than once. i want him to move out. is he violent? of course.

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president trump going forward, pushing his agenda, calling for the extension of his tax cuts, calling for really a litany of cultural issues. he's already signed his executive orders, talking also about foreign policy, saying he received a letter from ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy signaling the fact that they will be signing, at least in his view, a rare earth minerals deal with ukraine that could ultimately lead to a peace process. with russia. now, there was no question the divide between democrats and republicans was so clear in that chamber. the democrats rarely applauded. at the very beginning of the speech, al green, a texas democrat, interrupted. the president was ultimately thrown out of the chamber in an extraordinary move we have not seen before. but the evening was punctuated by personal stories. the people sitting in first lady melania trump's box, one story after another. but it was the

story of marc fogel and his 95 year old mother, malphine. he was the american school teacher in pennsylvania, released from a russian prison last month that opened the door to a reset relationship with russian president vladimir putin. that certainly captured the evening. the emotion, as well as some young cancer victims as well. so now, as the president ends, enters his 44th day of his presidency, there's no question he's going full steam ahead. but the open question on legislation will republicans in the house and senate so divided? will they be able to enact his agenda? of course, that's what we'll see next. jeff zeleny, cnn, the white house. >> and the war in ukraine. also a notable touch point in president trump's address to congress, in which he said that he is, quote, working tirelessly to end the fighting there just days after that explosive oval office meeting, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy taking to social media to describe the fiery exchange as regrettable. according to mr.

trump and zelenskyy are still in communication. here's what the u.s. president shared during his address. >> earlier today. i received an important letter from president zelenskyy of ukraine. the letter reads ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. nobody wants peace more than the ukrainians, he said. my team and i stand ready to work under president trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. we do really value how much america has done to help ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. regarding the agreement on minerals and security, ukraine is ready to sign it at any time that is convenient for you. i appreciate that he sent this letter, just got it a little while ago. simultaneously, we've had serious discussions with russia and i've received strong

signals that they are ready for peace. wouldn't that be beautiful? wouldn't that be beautiful? >> all right, let's get to cnn's clare sebastian, who joins us live from london. claire. zelenskyy also saying that he he is ready. he continues to be ready to sign a deal with the u.s. so where do things stand this morning? >> well, i think that ukraine. >> is probably waking up this morning with a little bit more hope that the decision by the u.s. to pause all military aid could be reversed. i think the speech reinforces that that was a negotiating position. so president trump said he appreciated the letter from president zelenskyy, where he said he was ready to sign the deal, where he expressed gratitude to the president and the american people. i think they're waiting to see if that was a strong enough gesture to get this decision reversed. i think on the issue of whether russia is ready for peace, ukraine takes a very different view. we heard this morning from the presidential chief of staff, andriy yermak, who said russia must stop its daily shelling of ukraine and do so immediately if it wants an end to this war. in the last 24 hours, we've seen

multiple attacks well beyond the front lines. it should be noted that several civilians have been killed. the power went out in parts of odessa. so ukraine is very much sort of of the opinion that russia is not displaying any sign that it wants peace. on the contrary, russia was very appreciative of the decision by the u.s. yesterday to cancel that military aid. so there was another section of the speech that i want to focus on as well, talking about the spending on the war in ukraine, which president trump has focused on. take a listen to that. >> europe has sadly spent more money buying russian oil and gas than they have spent on defending ukraine by far. think of that. they have spent more buying russian oil and gas than they have defending. and we have spent perhaps $350 billion like taking candy from a baby. that's what happened. and they've spent $100 billion.

>> so this is one of those fact checks that's a little more nuanced. on the issue of whether europe spends more on russian oil and gas than it has than it does on ukraine's defense. if you look at the war overall, that may in fact be true because europe was very dependent on russian fossil fuels at the beginning, and the energy sanctions that banned, for example, seaborne oil and oil products from coming into the eu, they only came into force at the end of 2022. so if you look at the war of the as a whole, it seems that that is correct. but if you look at last year, which president trump may be, since there was a widely cited report on this, it's actually not true. and the amount that the eu spent on russian fossil fuels was about half, if not less, of what they spent on ukraine overall. so i think that sort of shows that he's trying to bolster the argument that the war needs to end quickly, but these numbers require a lot more attention. rahel. >> yeah, it's an important distinction and we appreciate you bringing it to us. clare. sebastian live for us in london. clare thank you. a lot more to

discuss here. let me now bring into the conversation michael bociurkiw. he's a senior fellow at the atlantic council, also a former spokesperson at the organization for security and cooperation in europe. he joins us live from odesa, ukraine. always great to have you, sir. let me just ask trump and zelenskyy working both. it seems like to lower the temperature. but the deal that was on the table before all of this started by many measures still less than ideal. no concrete security guarantees for ukraine, a lack of specificity around how the profit sharing would work. so even with this cooling off, where does this actually leave ukraine with regard to future u.s. help? >> yeah, well, let me start. by saying same trump, different day. so good morning. i think what happened here is mr. zelenskyy did what he had to do. he had to bend over backwards for mr. trump and, you know, apologize for what happened. but, um, you know, uh, i believe mr. trump said no one wants peace more than the ukrainians from here. people will tell you,

it seems that no one doesn't want peace more than the russians. and i'll tell you why is, um, you. >> know, instead. >> of focusing on that trump bombast overnight, ukrainians were sheltering in bomb shelters, um, across the country. it it's really the russian federation that's disrespecting mr. trump by not going for peace. um, overnight, i mean, we had. >> one of the most violent. >> nights in ukraine, almost 200 drones and ballistic missiles. i have seen apocalyptic images from across the country, including here in odessa. >> um. >> and, you know, that's that's what ukrainians are worried about right now, because they're also also, if you read ukrainian newspapers this morning, it's reminding everybody that that temporary suspension on u.s. weapons, weapon aid to ukraine is still on. he did not revoke that. >> yeah. and to that point, i mean we've seen before how damaging a pause can be to ukraine's military, you know

back supplies. so you know, we're thinking about the first part of 2024. so how urgent, michael, is it to get at least the earmarked aid flowing again? >> um, it couldn't be more urgent. um, we have a situation right now where there is u.s. military kit stuck on the polish side of the border. it's literally frozen in its tracks because of that suspension, it's estimated that ukraine has a supply supply of patriot missiles, the ones that can strike down those fast flying russian ballistic missiles to last them till into april. and that's about it. more worrisome here is, um, what what happened to things like intelligence sharing, uh, whether the starlink system owned by mr. trump shadow elon musk will still be operational. and again, those air defense systems, the worst case scenario that is feared here is that mr. putin, as he is well known to do, will

exploit this pause, this void where there is no solid red line enforced by the united states. and go further, if i can add one more thing, however, um, based on my discussions last night, mr. trump has done more for the popularity of mr. zelenskyy and more to reverse the sagging fortunes of the liberal ruling liberal party in canada than anyone else. um, mr. zelenskyy popularity here is actually is really, really soaring because he is seen to have stood up to mr. trump and that's something that he'll be very happy with. >> yeah. i mean, circling back to that point about the connections, if you might, between how trump is handling ukraine, how he is handling canada, how are you seeing the relationship between the two and how he is treating both countries? >> yeah, well, you know, this is bad for both countries. um, you know, you have to wonder, what are ukrainians thinking when they see the america's best

friend, best neighbor, canada being attacked as if it's an enemy of the united states? um, they're wondering what else will happen in that relationship here. so, you know, i think what else what this will also do is bring the two countries closer together. in fact, the canadian opposition leader, pierre poilievre. poilievre, um, i think won the ukrainian vote yesterday when he said, we have to think long term. we have to think of how to defund the putin war machine. so he's talking about, for example, building new lng terminals on canada's east coast so that it can be shipped to europe so that europe doesn't have to buy russian oil and gas. it's things like that that will put a more permanent solution in. but it's just absolutely mind boggling. one more thing. i mean, as i was telling friends here last night, mr. trump would love nothing more than for perhaps ukraine to go back to russia, as he suggested, or be thrown to the dark ages. and similarly, he'd like nothing more than to see canadians going back to being

fur trappers rather than the world class global traders that we are. >> hmm. michael bociurkiw in odessa for us. michael, as we just heard from our reporter there, clare sebastian obviously, odessa dealing with some power outages. um, this morning, we appreciate that. you could be with us this morning. we appreciate the insights. thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. during his speech, trump took a moment to spotlight marc fogel american teacher who was wrongfully detained for more than three years in russia. >> but last summer, i promised his 95 year old mother, malphine, that we would bring her boy safely back home after 22 days in office. i did just that, and they are here tonight. >> fogel returned to the u.s. last month through a deal negotiated by the president and his advisers. his release marked the start of u.s. talks with russia. fogel was one of first lady melania trump's 15 guests, all of whom represented key trump administration policies

and accomplishments. now, there was no mention in tuesday's address of north korea, despite a prominent leader in pyongyang accusing the trump administration of provoking the country into stepping up its nuclear deterrence. our will ripley has more. >> a warning. >> from kim jong un's powerful younger sister just before president donald trump's congressional address. kim yo jong, one of the most influential figures in north korea, accusing the u.s. of political and military provocations. a response to the uss carl vinson, a nuclear powered aircraft carrier docked in south korea's port city of busan. south korea's navy calls it a show of force against north korea. kim's sister says the u.s. deployment of military assets justifies pyongyang's plan to indefinitely bolster its nuclear war deterrent. >> let's put. >> that it has only grown since trump and kim's last meeting at the dmz in 2019. trump became the first sitting u.s. president

to set foot in north korea. a whirlwind of historic diplomacy that ended with no deal. >> i got along with him very well. as you know, i think i stopped the war. >> since then, north korea's firepower has surged. multiple tests since trump returned to office in january. some analysts believe north korea's nuclear arsenal has skyrocketed to possibly 90 warheads, with the ability to produce even more. and with growing support from russia, some experts warn north korea could even surpass the uk in nuclear warheads within the next ten years. >> i got along with him. >> trump believes personal diplomacy with kim still holds promise. longtime korea watcher chad o'carroll says pyongyang has reasons to engage with the u.s. >> it helps. >> to just. >> have someone else able to support you. besides, just russia and north korea has a history of playing foreign, uh, supporters off each other. >> north korea has seen what happens to nations that abandon

nuclear weapons like ukraine. >> you don't have the cards right now. >> for pyongyang. the strategy now is clear. show strength. and the person delivering that message, kim yo jong, the most powerful woman in north korea. her brother's combative enforcer for years back in 2020, as diplomacy crumbled, she personally ordered the destruction of the inter-korean liaison office. there's no doubt kim and his sister are watching. but north korea didn't get any clues about president trump's north korea policy during his congressional address on tuesday night, even though it lasted about an hour and 40 minutes, there was no mention of north korea. pyongyang's latest statements, though, do make it clear that while they might see an opportunity with trump 2.0, they are not interested in engaging unless there is a dramatic shift in policy from the previous biden administration. president trump has said that he will engage and have some sort of connection with kim jong un, who he describes as someone he gets along with. will ripley, cnn,

new york. >> and in his historically long speech to the u.s. congress tuesday night, president donald trump claimed that voters gave him a mandate for bold and profound change. this despite the fact that he won the election by one of the slimmest margins in u.s. history. cnn's daniel dale gives us a fact check of the president's other statements. >> president trump. >> was. >> believe. >> it or not, marginally more. >> careful with. >> the facts tonight. >> than he usually is. he was on script, so this was not like one of the usual ad libbing rally speeches or debates with like 30 false claims. but by the standard of any politician in washington who is not donald trump, that was still an extremely dishonest speech. i counted at least 13 flat false claims, and that is a preliminary count that doesn't include a whole bunch of additional misleading or uncorroborated claims. he, for example, repeated his false claim that foreign countries like china pay his tariffs, though americans make those tariff payments. he wildly exaggerated figures on inflation and immigration under president biden. he claimed to have terminated something called the

green new scam, even though the green new deal congressional resolution was never actually passed and trump has not repealed the big environmental law that president biden did pass. there's a lot more. as you said. you can read our full list on cnn.com. but now i want to go into detail on an important and eye catching claim that was highly misleading. the president talked at length about millions of people being listed as alive in a social security database, even though they're obviously dead. listen. >> 3.9 million people from ages 130 to 139. lives 3.5 million people from ages 140 to 149. and money is being paid to many of them because it just keeps getting paid and paid and nobody does. and it really hurts social security and hurts our country. and one person is listed at 360 years of age. more than 100

years older than our country. >> i've spoken to conservative experts about this claim, and they've noted, jake, that the president is leaving out something absolutely critical to understanding this issue. here's what he failed to explain. these numbers are not the numbers of dead people who are actually getting paid social security checks. trump was referring to a legitimate problem with some deaths not being marked in the social security database. but that doesn't mean people aren't listed as being 150, 200, 300 are actually getting money. and that's because social security already has a system in place to automatically cut off people who are listed as being 115 or older. now, two years ago, an inspector general looked into this. she found there were about 19 million people, 100 or older who were not marked as deceased. but critically, she also found that only 44,000 of these people were actually receiving payments. and one conservative expert told me even those 40 4k are likely legit payments, since at the time there were about 86,000 living americans age 100 or older. >> our thanks to daniel dale

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