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remained high, he says they have stopped going up so rapidly. >> the fact that a lot of the big companies prices have stabilized and aren't increasing at the rates that they've been increasing at, give me hope that, you know, at least, scott, somebody's attention. >> corey new data from the commerce department appears to back up what ryan is seeing. inflation did, in fact cool slightly in january compared to december. one of the federal reserve's go to inflation gauges rose 2.5% last month compared to the year before, slowing from december's 2.6% annual rate. but that doesn't mean american shoppers are feeling relief yet. >> i think it's. >> going to take. >> some time for that to happen. >> but jenny klein, an independent who voted for trump, says she has complete faith in the president. >> i didn't get this way in six months, you know. it will take a while for the prices to come down, and i'm willing to give him the time because i feel he'll be able to do it. >> a lot of these. >> areas around.
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>> western pennsylvania, i'm sure, are in west virginia, are kind of like depressed. we haven't seen a lot of growth here. we hope that maybe by having the republicans and there might be some potential growth. >> brian mcgrath is a registered democrat who voted for trump. while he feels some parts of the new administration have gone overboard this past month, he's still willing to give president trump time to bring prices down. >> we'll have to wait and see. all i can say is, two years from now, we'll have a another. what is that? the midterm election. and if people aren't happy, then they're going to go the opposite way. >> and the decaf one. >> at nearby east coffee prices are front of mind. >> and here in the coffee shop, you hear people talking about, are we going to be able to afford. >> to. >> get a car loan? um, are we going to be able to afford to. >> buy eggs? >> jolene mcelwain didn't vote for trump, but understands the desire here for something different. >> i think people. >> are going to hold out hope, but also be highly critical.
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>> of. >> in difficulty. >> there's a lot riding on the next four years. yeah, because let's face it, people made a choice in 2016. people made another choice in 2020. and now the next four years, i think we'll really go a long way to determine was everybody's decision that they made the right decision. >> breaking news. backing off on tariffs or issuing exemptions are just some of the possibilities. the commerce secretary is again floating as world markets react to president trump's tariff tactics. also breaking this morning, the director of the cia confirming the u.s. has stopped sharing critical intelligence support and weapons shipments with ukraine after the oval office clash seen around the world. and target targeted for boycotts for 40 days and 40 nights. that coincides with a target boycott
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begins today over target's dumping of diversity, equity and inclusion policies. i'm sara sidner with kate bolduan and john berman. this is cnn news central. >> all right. breaking this morning. is the president already retreating from the tariffs he imposed just one day ago? 25% tariffs on mexico and canada. that sent the markets reeling. well, moments ago, commerce secretary howard lutnick told bloomberg, quote, there will be some categories that will be left out. it could well be auto. so is that a retreat? unclear. it's actually less, perhaps, than the markets were hoping for yesterday. letnick said that the u.s. would meet canada and mexico in the middle. this is a little bit less than the middle, and you can see the dow and the s&p, which had been positive all morning long because they really
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did think the president was retreating from the tariffs. they're now turning negative. now there seems to be much more uncertainty. and of course this all comes after the president acknowledged in his big speech to congress that there would be some pain, perhaps from tariffs, for a short period of time. a little disturbance, he said. let's get right to cnn's alayna treene at the white house. again, the markets turning downward here to clear this up if we can. what is howard lutnick mean, what is the president think? >> well, first. >> of all, john, just. >> those numbers that you were showing of the dow and the stock market. >> i mean. >> those are numbers that of course, the white. >> house and the. >> president himself, i'm told, were monitoring very closely yesterday before that speech to congress. we know that the president has long been fixated on the. stock market, and seeing it fall some 1300 points in two days around that tariff announcement definitely played a role here. but look, i do want to get to what the commerce secretary howard lutnick said on bloomberg this morning. he essentially told them that there
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could be some sort of tariff announcement today from the president that would not remove the 25% blanket tariffs on canada and mexico, but could include some new exemptions, including autos. i just want to quickly read for you exactly what he said. he said, quote, the president gets to make the decision. there will be some categories that will be left out. it could well be autos. he went on to say, i think he's going to figure it out. you do more and i'll meet you in the middle some way. now, what is clear is that the president does view tariffs as a negotiation. and this is kind of playing into that. if this is actually what we see happen later today. also i just want to mention that i did speak with a national security advisor, michael waltz, this morning. i asked him about this because we know that they're calling this a drug war, not a tariff war, wanting, you know, to see canada and mexico do more to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the united states. waltz told me on the tariff issue that, look, he won't say anything about details regarding timing and what not, but that they are very encouraged by the way that mexico and canada are responding
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on this. >> and as we know, the market is turning here. it does seem at times the white house is negotiating with the stock markets more than they're negotiating with mexico and canada over this. we'll see where this heads. meanwhile, elena, i do understand you also have some news based on what administration officials are now saying publicly about ukraine, an aid to ukraine. >> yeah. look, there's been some, you know, i wouldn't say mixed messaging, but it does seem like there is more of a positive outlook on relations with ukraine as we head in to today, particularly after the president noted last night in his speech that he received a letter from zelenskyy saying that essentially he was ready to move forward with that minerals deal that they view as so critical. but look, i do want you to take a listen to what mike waltz said on this, because we did learn that there has been a pause in intelligence as well as weapons to ukraine from the united states. however, we also heard the cia director, john ratcliffe, say that that could be lifted soon. but listen to what walt said on fox news this
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morning. >> we have taken a step back and are pausing. >> and. >> reviewing all aspects of this relationship, but i just got off the phone before i walked out here with my counterpart, the ukrainian national security advisor. we are having good talks on location for for the next round of negotiations on delegations. on substance, i think we're going to see movement in very short order. >> he said he thinks there will be movement in very short order and apologies. that was actually him talking to me and other reporters this morning. but look, this does follow some reporting that my colleague zach cohen and i sent out yesterday just before the speech, which is that in the days after that oval office dustup between the president and zelenskyy, i we know that trump administration officials, top officials, people like keith kellogg have been in contact with zelenskyy and other ukrainian officials saying you need to get talks back on track. and they said that really
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stressed that those talks needed to get back on track before the speech last night. now we know that the minerals deal has not yet been signed, but in my conversations with white house officials, they say they do believe it will happen shortly. again, all pointing toward a kind of a more positive outlook on the relationship between the united states and ukraine, specifically the one between trump and zelenskyy, as well. as we head in to this wednesday. >> john alayna treene, a busy morning for you, chasing a lot of threads, big threads, more like ropes at the white house this morning. thank you for your work. keep us posted sarah. >> all right. joining me now is representative adriano espaillat, a new york democrat and chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. thank you so much for being here. let me just quickly get to what was breaking news this morning. the commerce secretary, howard lutnick, seems to be saying that some tariffs will be rolled back now, telling bloomberg there will be some categories that will be left out. it could well be autos. your response to what is a tariff decision? whiplash, so to
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speak. right. >> well. >> they're stepping. >> back. obviously. >> they're they're. >> responding to the markets. uh. so this is a very fluid. >> proposal put. >> forward by the white house. >> uh, it doesn't really have strong legs behind it. uh, we see how they're backing up on cars. tomorrow will be a different product. and so the the main issue is, is what are they going to do to ensure that inflation is cured? and the president last night did not present any serious proposals to address that problem. we continue to have a 96% increase since he got into office. on x alone and other emergency items are extremely high at the supermarket. so why did he present beyond, uh, the tariffs that will cure inflation across america? that's the big question this morning. >> to be fair, the egg issue in particular has to do with bird flu. but there are other items in the grocery stores that have not gone down whatsoever. we just heard from people in
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pennsylvania complaining about that. um, so i guess the question is, what can democrats do as they watch this administration making lots of changes, rapid fire, big changes? what can you do besides protest? >> well, certainly we cannot accept these major cuts in medicaid and medicare. uh, my district has over 500,000 people on medicaid and over 100,000 people in medicare, out of 780,000 constituents. uh, they they they have these public insurances because the cost of health care continues to be extremely high. so medicaid, medicare, food stamps, these are important, important programs for the constituencies that i serve. and many across the country. and we should fight at every juncture. a budget crossroad. uh, we should tell the american people what they're proposing to do, which is to cut these vital programs and give a
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big tax cut to the very rich. >> i want to get your response to on something that happened this morning. we learned that the trump's deputies withheld intelligence from ukraine as punishment for the oval office argument heard around the world. it seems they're changing tact. after zelenskyy sent a letter to trump. what are your thoughts on on the information that there was intelligence withheld? >> well, when you hold intelligence, you you put people's lives in danger. uh, they still continue to be an ally. europe is a a major ally of america. although we did vote with north korea at the un, we must continue to to strengthen our our relationships with our traditional allies and holding back, uh, intelligence. that is life saving intelligence could put people's lives in danger. i think this is so wrong. to back up on ukraine and to leave them out in the cold at the same time, you're doing the same thing for europe. >> congressman, i want to ask you, since you're a new york
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guy, um, about the mayor whose corruption case was dropped for political reasons so that he could go forward with donald trump's agenda on immigration. he has said he is going to work closely with the immigration czar. what do you think about that? should democrats join eric adams? >> absolutely not. we should work together to ensure that dreamers, uh, that have been here on an average over 20 years, pay their taxes, haven't committed any crimes are regularized that that farm workers, many of which are now going to the farms and therefore we're going to see increases at the cash register are protected and the families are kept united. i think there should be guardrails in new york city and other cities so that we won't go overboard and become really a police state. >> congressman esplanade, thank you so much. i really appreciate you coming on early this morning. thanks for the conversation. thank you. >> thank you for having me, sir. >> we do have some breaking news
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just coming in from the supreme court. i want to get straight over to cnn's katelyn polantz, who is pulling together the details from us. and this has to do with president trump's moves to moves to freeze foreign aid. caitlin, what's happened? >> yeah. kate, what had happened in the trump administration is they turned off money going to. >> nonprofits and contractors on foreign aid. people that were working with the organization. >> usaid, the agency that the trump administration was trying to shut. >> down. >> and what the. supreme court. >> what trump wanted to do. >> is he. >> wanted a green light from the supreme court. >> to keep that money shut off. it's being litigated at the trial. >> level, courts. >> courts far below. >> the supreme court. >> and what the supreme. court just said. >> is we're. not going. >> to do that. we need the lower court to figure. >> this out. >> there was a judge there who. >> had set a deadline for. >> the administration. >> to pay up. >> $2 billion by midnight. >> of a. >> day last week. >> was. >> giving them less than 24. >> hours.
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>> to do it. and the administration said, we can't just turn. >> money back on. >> like that. that's why we need the supreme court's help here to let us do what we want with our bills and just not pay them, freeze all the money that was outgoing. >> and now. >> it's going to go back down to the lower court. >> but kate, when you step back and look at what's happening in this. >> order right here, it's 5 to. >> 4 and the four. >> dissenters of what is being done right. now for donald trump. >> those people are all the. >> the conservative justices. and what they are saying. >> is, we can't believe. >> that this supreme court is going to override what the executive wants to do here and. just give this. >> lower court trial judge. >> judge ali in washington, d.c., on the district court. >> the power. >> to figure. >> this out right now. so a big struggle between the court system and trump. >> as president, ongoing that we're going to keep seeing happen in the courts. >> i was going to say my take is, is that this is not the last time this kind of conflict and struggle is going to be playing
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when that aid needed to be released, but ruled against ruled against the trump administration's request to keep it frozen. it now goes down to the lower courts. the legal questions that this raises, and this is why it's so important with the supreme court weighing in. this is congressionally approved and mandated funding. congress voted on it to go out. the white house said, no, no, no, no, we are not spending it. ultimately, it will be up to the supreme court to determine who gets to decide whether that money gets spent or not, or where, for the time being, at least, the supreme court rules against the white house. we will see where it goes from here. other news, obviously, the president spoke to congress last night. he highlighted what he called wasteful government spending. at one point, he suggested, without evidence, that georgia democrat stacey abrams is benefiting from it. >> $1.9 billion to recently
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created decarbonization of homes committee headed up. and we know she's involved. just at the last moment, the money was passed over by a woman named stacey abrams. have you ever heard of her? >> all right. with us is the two time nominee for governor of georgia, stacey abrams. thank you so much for being with us. he called you out by name. what's your response? >> that he is trying to distract americans from his failure to deliver on any of his promises, and instead of doing his work, he's going after those of us who are actually doing the work of the american people. i am very proud of the work that i've done to protect voting rights, to lower the cost of energy for real people in the state of georgia, and working with organizations that want to do it around the country, because donald trump is failing in his promises and focusing on petty retribution instead of fulfilling his promises to the american people. >> what is your connection to this organization that did get
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funding, did get federal funding? >> i led a project in southwest georgia that has lowered the cost of energy for struggling families, and i'm extraordinarily proud of that work. and because of that work, because of the work of five major organizations around this country who have done more than 250 years of service combined, the biden administration authorized a grant. i did not work for the entity that received the grant. ultimately, i worked for one of the partner organizations, but i was very much a part of pushing and showing america that we have the ability to lower prices, that the money is there, the will is there, the capacity is there. but what is not there is donald trump and his lackeys willingness to actually let american people get the benefit of these services. >> what would happen if the money was removed from these services if he withdrew the funding for this program?
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>> then millions of americans will lose access to lower prices. there is a young woman in southwest georgia whose husband died. unfortunately, because the hospital that could have saved his life had been closed due to the governor's failure to expand medicaid. but that's a story for a different day, she saw her bill cut in half. and when you're raising children in a time when prices are on the rise, having a lower electric bill is an amazing, amazing thing. her bill was cut in half. and what donald trump, what elon musk, what his lackeys and flunkies in congress are saying is that they would rather have retribution than actually support the people of america. we have proof that it works. we know that it can actually help people, and they are saying, we won't let you be helped because we don't like who is offering the help. and the fact that he's using me as one of his examples simply shows that the work we're doing is effective. >> while i have you, obviously there were protests during the president's speech last night. al green was shouting. he was
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escorted from the chamber. there were other democrats holding up signs. what do you think the most effective or more effective way is to push back on president trump's policies? is it what we saw last night in the speech or. and i'll play a bit of sound from it. this was senator elissa slotkin from michigan. after the speech. >> president trump is trying to deliver an unprecedented giveaway to his billionaire friends. he's on the hunt to find trillions of dollars to pass along to the wealthiest in america. and to do that, he's going to make you pay in every part of your life. his tariffs on allies like canada will raise prices on energy, lumber and cars and start a trade war that will hurt manufacturing and farmers. >> so what do you think is the more effective message the during the speech or after? >> i have a podcast called assembly required and we have been having this conversation for the last six weeks, and we
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have to do all of the above. we have to call out donald trump on his lies. we have to point out that an unelected oligarch is doing his best to steal america from its people. in elon musk, we have a complicit congress that is allowing him to fire thousands of people who should be delivering services to americans, and he is now starting trade wars to cover for the fact that he has failed to deliver on his day. one promises donald trump is an early failure, and he's hoping that by attacking folks like me and others that we won't notice that he has failed and that he has no intention of delivering anything other than retribution. he is a petty tyrant who is surrounded by complicit flunkies, and it is the job of americans to stand up and say, we want what we voted for. and that is progress for america, not petty revenge for donald trump. >> but in the subject of pettiness. even what democrats were doing during the speech with the signs of what al green did, you don't find that petty. >> i do not, because in an opposition position, your job is
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to show people what is true. and we have a president who is doing his best to clamp down on the media, to shut down on protest. he does not want us to use our first amendment rights. let's not forget who is in power. they control both branches of government and they have appointed the majority of the supreme court. if republicans can't deliver when they hold all of the power, then what they are telling us is that they are powerless and it is up to americans to take our power back, to take our country back, and to create the future that we deserve. >> stacey abrams, thanks so much for being with us. sarah. >> ahead, we are moments away from the opening bell as the white house says, tariff compromise may be on the table now. will wall street replace fear with optimism? we will see. newly unsealed court documents reveal. attorneys for bryan kohberger, the man accused of fatally stabbing four university of idaho students, are citing his autism diagnosis in a bid to avoid the death penalty.
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>> yeah. >> well, those markets are interesting. >> they were mostly in the green. >> if we put them. >> back on the screen there. >> the nasdaq. >> i believe was. >> the only one. >> maybe that was down. >> but that's. just the look. >> at them all up right now. >> that's such a recovery. >> from yesterday. and that is. possibly tiny. tiny in the green. >> but in the green. >> but it's possibly about what lutnick said this morning on bloomberg, saying that there could be some exemptions with tariffs, specifically autos, the auto industry, which is so critical to u.s. manufacturing here. take a listen to what lutnick just said earlier this morning on bloomberg. >> the president. >> is. >> listening, uh. >> to the offers. >> from mexico. >> and canada. he's thinking about trying to do something. >> in the middle. >> he's thinking about it. >> we're talking about it. we're going to. when i leave here, i'm going to go talk about it with him. and i think early this afternoon or this afternoon, we expect to make an announcement. and my, my thinking is it's going to be somewhere in the middle. >> so somewhere in the middle a compromise perhaps. we know through our reporting that
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president trump has been speaking to folks from canada and mexico. he's been hearing from a lot of people within his own party that these tariffs are maybe not good for the overall economy. interesting. last night we did not hear president trump mention the stock market, wall street, which we know through our reporting that he does watch. maybe he likes these numbers a little bit better today compared to the past two days where the numbers were down by 600 900 points. but we did hear president trump talk about tariffs, and he was steadfast in why he was doing it. but you heard howard lutnick right there saying that there could be a little bit of a turnaround today, a compromise maybe, particularly in the auto industry. >> it makes you think they're not well thought out when you're putting something in place, touting it and then having someone, the commerce secretary have to go, oh, wait, wait, we're going to do something a little bit different. we will see what happens. the markets are responding and they're responding positively. although the jump isn't anywhere near the amount lost. i do want to ask you about some box stores. what are you hearing from target
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and best buy when it comes to what consumers might see because of all this? >> yeah, we just heard from target's ceo yesterday who said that consumers are going to feel the impact in a matter of days because they get target, get so many fruits and vegetables which are perishable items from mexico, from canada. and those items are going to be more expensive in the next couple days. we also heard the same from best buy. they're likely going to have to raise prices. we heard from walmart just a few weeks ago. the bellwether for the u.s. economy, where consumers go to find affordable prices that they're expecting consumers to pull back on spending. because of all of these questions around tariffs, there's going to be a lot happening today potentially hearing from the president. we know there's a meeting on the phone between trudeau and president trump. what does that look like? what does that look like for the markets. we'll see. and then of course, all of us. what do we end up paying at the end of the day. it's going to keep changing. >> i always appreciate you paying close attention. vanessa yurkevich appreciate it. thank you kate. >> still ahead for us, we are
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markets mixed at best right now. the dow smidge up the nasdaq and s&p down. this after the president's speech to congress where he talked about tariffs. and he acknowledged there will be a little disturbance by the tariffs. he imposed 25% tariffs on mexico and canada. now that was last night. this morning commerce secretary howard lutnick for the second time in two days, seems to be trying to clean up some of what the president has done. listen. >> the president is listening to the offers from mexico and canada. he's thinking about trying to do something in the middle. he's thinking about it. we're talking about it. we're going to. when i leave here, i'm going to go talk about it with him. and i think early this afternoon or this afternoon, we expect to make an announcement. and my, my thinking is it's going to be somewhere in the middle. >> all right. with us now, cnn senior political commentator david axelrod and former chief of staff to vice president mike pence, marc short. great to see both of you in these mornings
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after addresses. one of the ways i like to look at it is what's changed or where do things go next. and marc, i think we are watching this tariff discussion play out before our eyes because the president acknowledged a level of pain, albeit short. he said last night, but the commerce secretary keeps trying to will this middle ground on tariffs into being. and the markets just don't know who to listen to right now. >> yeah, john, i thought. >> the president had a really strong night last night. and it seems like this is unfortunately mixing a lot of the messages. i do think that i think it was actually on your network, john, that during the transition when lutnick was in charge of the transition, he went on air and promised us that that robert kennedy would never be nominated to be head of hhs. and so i'm not going to become a day trader based on what he's saying this morning. i think the reality is the president has laid out a pretty strong protectionist agenda. and he said on april 2nd, you're going to be tariffs on lumber, on copper, on
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pharmaceutical, on autos, on reciprocal tariffs. and so he is very clearly signaling an incredibly aggressive protectionist trade agenda. and i think that again one of the differences is markets believe they've seen him do this kind of cry wolf and use it as a negotiation tactic, as he did during the first trump administration. but the team he has around him now, john, of economic advisors and national security advisors, are true disciples in believing that tariff policy and protectionist policy is better for our economy. and i think that, you know, for a president was elected on border issues, that i think he's had a great start to, but also economic issues. this is creating a lot of uncertainty and i think portends a lot of challenges when the data suggests that, in fact, the first quarter, we may actually have a contraction. >> yeah, a lot of uncertainty. we've seen it in the markets, you know, big drops the last few days. and this morning it was up much higher than this. and then it dropped to about even. and david axelrod, we know from our reporting at the white house donald trump watches the stock markets. he cares deeply about
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the direction of the market. so one does wonder if he's just trying now to have lutnick if he is sending lutnick out to say these things, to try to direct it one way or another. >> yeah. >> i'm sort of with mark. >> i, you know, there's. >> a lot of improv around this whole trump. >> deal, but he does believe deeply in tariffs. he said it. >> again and again and again. and the one thing i think that we've learned. is like when he says stuff, believe him. that he he means. >> what he says. >> he thinks. >> tariffs are beautiful. he thinks they're a great tool. >> and we'll see. >> i mean, one. >> of the unresolved questions here, mark pointed i think he did have a strong night last night for his base. he talks to his base. i think it resonated with his base, that 48% that supports him. but there are economic realities. and the the chief issue that he ran on was in bringing down prices and raising incomes and essentially proving improving the economic standing of people. and the
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question is, does this lead to that or does it lead to higher prices? and how long will people tolerate that? >> and if we talk about what else is changed or what questions exist? this morning after the speech, david and hearing from both democrats and republicans and just viewers. al green getting escorted from the chamber four minutes in and shouting the signs that democrats were holding up. is that the right way for democrats to push back against donald trump or. it was a very different message after the speech and the democratic response from senator elissa slotkin from michigan. which way do you think is right? >> well, i don't think there's any question that slotkin hit the right tone there. you don't. the truth is, the government should be reformed. there are ways to save money. there are ways to be more efficient. it's just not with the chainsaw and the 2020 year olds, as you said, and elon musk deciding, you know, based on a.i., who you know, who stays and who goes over a period of hours. that's not the way to do it. she was
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right about a lot of what she said and her focus on the economy. no, i don't think the performative stuff was very helpful at all last night. but, you know, here's the deal. both parties in some ways are captives of their bases. and i think that there are a lot of members of congress who probably come from districts that are overwhelmingly democratic, who who feel like their constituents are expecting them to be very actively protesting what the president is doing. so just as on the republican side, you know, the base loves the stuff that enrages people who aren't in the base. and so the members respond to that. this is one of the problems with a highly polarized country. mark. >> well, look, i think the reality is that the president loves having a foil, and i think the democrats look foolish last night waving those silly paddles. and i think al green looked like an angry old man waving a cane. and i think that that just benefits the president. and it sort of paints
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a caricature of what his opposition is. and so i think that he relishes that sort of a foil. and i think democrats played right into his hand last night. >> in just the last few minutes, the supreme court ruled 5 to 4 against the white house, which wanted to freeze foreign aid spending. it goes back down to the lower courts right now. it's unclear when this money may need to be spent, but it's possible this is a sign where the supreme court is on a very important discussion, which is who gets to decide where and how money gets spent. is it congress who passes the laws and appropriates the funds, or is it the white house? where do you think this goes? mark. >> i think that's exactly the right question, john. i think the reality is that elon musk and the president have illustrated the american people where a lot of wasteful spending is. and i think that's good. but i think you have to take the next step and bring that to the american people and convince congress to stop this funding. when you're $36 trillion in debt. and i don't think that
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the executive branch probably has the ability to just whimsically decide, i'm going to do this or not do that. that's why congress appropriates the dollars. >> yeah, and i'm fascinated from just a supreme court perspective filled with so many self-proclaimed textualists. the text of the constitution gives congress the power to appropriate funds, yet they seem to be somewhat deferential to trump on many things. but will they continue to say no, no, no, no, you've got to spend this money if congress. >> that is the big question. and that is what trump is, is gambling, but he is pushing the limits on all of this. you know, he believes in this unitary executive theory, which arrogates to the president much more authority than i think that the framers of the constitution intended. so we'll see how this works out. but on this foreign aid issue, listen, he lost on this this this was money already obligated as a policy matter. i i'm happy that that happened. but as a political matter, he probably figures i can you know, i can push off against foreign aid. people don't like foreign aid. you know it will give him
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he probably considers it a political win. >> yeah. all of these things can be true. david axelrod marc short, great to see both of you. thank you very much. thanks, kate. >> so ahead for us, millions are facing severe weather threats today from tornado watches in the carolinas to blizzard conditions in the midwest. we have live pictures here. this is minnesota. get an update for you. coming up. >> welcome back. >> have i got. >> news for you. >> new saturday on. >> cnn. >> safelite. repair safelite replace. >> sadly windshield chips. can turn into windshield cracks. >> but at least you. >> can go to safelite.com and schedule. >> a fix in minutes. sweet safelite can come to you for free, and our highly trained techs can replace your windshield right at your home. >> they flight safe. >> flight don't wait. go to safe flight.com and schedule now. >> safe flight. repair safelite
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baton rouge, louisiana. just take a look at this video just showing the rain battering, just battering a boat on the river yesterday. a lot going on there. this system is also responsible for a massive dust storm and fires in texas, and also blizzard conditions in parts of the plains. also this in a new move to try and get the death penalty off the table. attorneys for bryan kohberger, the man accused of fatally stabbing four university of idaho students. they are now leaning on the fact that he has autism to make the case. and a newly unsealed court filing, they say the 30 year old has been diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, and, they argue sentencing him to death would violate the eighth amendment's ban on excessive. punishment. so and saying it exposes him to unacceptable risk that he will be wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death. again, kohberger is accused of stabbing those four students to death on their off campus home in 2022. his trial
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is set to begin in august. sarah. >> all right. right now, there are 159 confirmed cases of highly contagious measles in west texas. a child, of course, you know, has already died. and now, after downplaying the outbreak, hhs secretary. rfk jr. is finally saying people in unvaccinated communities should get the mmr vaccine to slow the spread. but the vaccine skeptic is also muddying his message, promoting alternative treatments such as vitamin a and cod liver oil. cnn's meg terrell has been following the outbreak since it began. first, meg. what can you tell us about just how quickly this outbreak is growing in texas at the moment? >> yeah, so if you look at the number of cases, really the first ones were just reported in these west texas counties at the end of january. so these have been climbing quickly through the month of february. we're now approaching 160 cases. we expect our next update from texas on friday, if not sooner. and that includes 22
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hospitalizations and the death of a school aged child that you mentioned, which was the first death from measles in this country in a decade. now, this outbreak in west texas is the largest one we're seeing in the united states right now. but we have been hearing about cases in multiple states across the country. 11 states, to our count at this moment. many of these cases are travel related folks who are unvaccinated, going to another country where measles is spreading and coming back with measles. the big decider about whether they spread measles to other people often is how vaccinated the people around them are. and we know that in gaines county, the vaccination rate, particularly among school aged children, is especially low. just about 80%. and you want to keep measles vaccination rates above 95% to try to protect everybody through herd immunity. and just to give a sense of how many cases we're seeing of measles this year compared with the previous two, the rate is already so much higher 164 cases in this year alone, compared with 285 in 2024
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and 59 in 2023. sarah. >> the fact that they were it was eradicated. that is just extremely disturbing to see those numbers that way. what is the deal with vitamin a and cod liver oil? why is he touting that on top of finally saying to go and get the vaccine? >> yeah, these messages are pretty mixed. sarah, we heard from robert f kennedy jr. in an interview yesterday on fox news. and you know what he said was, yes, they are saying that people, especially in the under-vaccinated mennonites community where this outbreak has been centered, should consider getting the vaccine. but it was quite a mixed message because he also talked about treatment with, as you said, vitamin a, cod liver oil with a steroid with an antibiotic. and this is making doctors nervous because vaccination is the safe and effective way to prevent measles. and the message they worry is getting muddied because he's talking about treatment, as if that could somehow be on the same par. and they argue
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it's obviously not. >> the best way to deal with measles is not to get it at all. meg tirrell thank you so much. i really appreciate it. my advice of the day exactly. but i think it's okay. >> thank you all so much for joining us today. this is cnn news central. the situation room is up next. >> mirrored joy. >> the overwhelming relief after miralax helps you go. miralax works naturally with the. >> water in. >> your body, putting you in a supernaturally. >> good mood. >> miralax free your gut to free your mood. >> problems with gray hair. not anymore. with the new alpecin gray attack, an easy to use shampoo for darker and thicker looking hair. day by day. fight for your hair with the new alpecin gray attack. available at amazon. life. >> diabetes. there's no slowing down. each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response. uniquely
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