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swift supreme court decision. five justices rejecting the trump administration's plan to freeze billions of dollars in foreign aid. i'm pamela brown. >> and we. >> want to welcome our viewers
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here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, and you're in the situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following the breaking news. the u.s. supreme court rejecting the trump administration's bid to freeze billions, billions of dollars in congressionally approved foreign aid. >> two conservative justices tipping the scale. chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett siding with their liberal colleagues in the five four split decision. chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid joins us now. so, paula, walk us through the court's decision. >> this is a technical decision, but it really reveals a lot about the internal partisan divides at the court. now, here, the trump administration had asked the court to allow this foreign aid to continue to be frozen, not force them to disperse it as a lower court had. but the supreme court declined to intervene on behalf of the trump administration. they didn't say when this money
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needs to be sent out. instead, they sent that all back down to the lower court to be hashed out. but in this dissent, four conservative justices took the time to write an opinion disagreeing with the majority. and that's notable because, again, this isn't a huge decision. this isn't the constitutional opinion on whether trump has the power to reshape the federal government. this is a pretty technical issue, but these justices felt very strongly that a lower court judge should not be able to compel the administration to send out this aid. now, i will note that this aid was approved by congress, but this appeal moved really fast. i mean, they got before the high court in a matter of days. it is extremely rare for the justices to drop an opinion on us at 9 a.m., but this is the second time that the trump administration has gone to the supreme court to intervene on their behalf. and the second time the court has declined. >> very interesting. the issue, though, correct me if i'm wrong, paula is far from settled. the court did not give a specific date to unfreeze these billions of dollars in
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proposed foreign aid. >> that's exactly right. the lower court is going to have to decide that. and then there's the larger constitutional question about whether the trump administration can rescind this kind of aid that's already been approved by congress. that larger constitutional question is playing out in cases across the country, as doge and the trump administration try to reshape the federal government, and that supreme court will ultimately be the final word on the extent of executive power here. we're far from that case, but that's where this will all lead over the next several months. >> and you have to wonder what the trump administration is thinking, especially we should note it's kind of the elephant in the room. donald trump spoke to chief justice roberts last night. he said, thank you. we're not sure what he was talking about, but it's just so fascinating. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i mean, i think an educated opinion is that trump is likely thanking him for the immunity decision last june. that really made it impossible for the special counsel to bring a criminal trial before the election. but we don't know for
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sure. but we do know they likely had already decided this. and then this comes out at 9 a.m. but look, the trump administration, they don't like to lose. but they told me before trump even took the oath of office, he was going to come out with these executive orders, this executive action, they knew all of it would be challenged in court. and it is usually challenged in a jurisdiction where the challengers think they will win. democrats do this as well, but they believe that there is a long game here. they think when they get these big constitutional questions, the larger questions about executive power before the supreme court, they believe that the supreme court will side with them. and i think what we saw in this decision is there are at least four conservative justices who would possibly be very open to these executive power arguments. >> lots of legal stuff going on. good thing we have you, our chief legal legal affairs correspondent. thanks very much. and, paula, you studied law too, right? >> i did, i went to law school. i got sort of a baby, j.d., if you will, a master in studies of law. so. but paul is the real expert. thank you so much, paula. all right. we have a guest joining us. almog ali
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joins us now. she lost her job at usaid and lives here in washington with her family. thank you for coming on. i know it's been a difficult time for you. no one wants to lose their job. i'm wondering what your reaction is about the supreme court's decision this morning. >> yeah. thank you for having me. first of all, i mean, i think this is a step in the right direction. and i'm really heartened to see the decision of the supreme court. but i also feel that we didn't need the supreme court to come and tell us that when you have bills due for work that's already been done, you pay those bills. i think every american can probably answer that question. um, so while i do think that this is a move in the right direction, um, you know, i really am struggling to figure out how they're going to make these payments next. and that's where i think you need to kind of watch as this unfolds. um, as i'm sure you know, the u.s. agency for international development is an agency of about 14,000 people. most of those people, like myself, have either been put on
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administrative leave and locked out of these systems, or have been illegally fired and terminated. so those are the people that are going to have to make these payments, that have the expertise, the log ins, and the authority to be able to make these payments to these partners that we owe money to. um, and i'm really curious to see if doge is going to stand in the way of that. um, i do also want to say, you know, again, i'm really glad that supreme court came down on this, although five four is a little bit disturbing to me. imagine trying to do business in a world where one party decides unilaterally that they're going to not honor their contracts and not pay for work that's already been done. and that, i think, is really important to highlight. this is work that was already completed by american businesses and american companies on behalf of the american people, um, a long time ago, before this administration even came in. and i think because doge is trying to make a case that they're finding savings, they decided it would be a really convenient way to say, well, we're just not going to pay these bills. i pay
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my bills when i go to a restaurant, i pay for the food that i've eaten there. when someone comes to my home to fix a leak, i pay for the work that was done. and so it's no way to to run a business. it's certainly no way to run the country. >> almog wolf blitzer what kind of work did you actually do at usaid? >> yeah, i worked for a bureau called the bureau for conflict prevention and stabilization. we work in some really dicey places around the world, like ukraine, like sudan, and repressive regimes and regimes undergoing destabilizing forces or counterterrorism threats. my job as a communications team lead for that is to tell the stories of our work. um, but the colleagues that i work in day in and day out work in some of these really, really precarious places to partner with people to make sure that u.s. interests in some of these countries are protected, are advanced, that our national security is protected, um, and aligned with the president. um, as you know, we live in a really precarious
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world where a threat abroad can become a very quickly a threat at home that includes diseases, terrorist organizations. and our job was to try and stop those threats at the source to prevent them from coming and disrupting life here at home. for americans. >> you've experienced firsthand some of the chaos as usaid was shuttered. tell us about your experience. >> wow. well, where do you want me to start? uh, it has been absolutely chaotic. and i think chaos and instability are what has been the hallmark of this administration so far, at least in the six weeks that i've experienced it. um, and that's largely due to the influence of doge and elon musk. so on february 24th, that was last monday, for example, i was first told that i would be put on administrative leave along with everyone in the agency. then i was told that i was actually an essential employee, and i needed to keep working, and i was prepared to do that. third, i was told that i would be fired on april 24th as part of a large
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scale reduction in force of the agency. and then a few hours after that, i was terminated, effective immediately due to being a probationary employee. that just simply means that i am new to my current position. um, but i've worked for the agency for over ten years as a contractor. i'm just a new civil servant. uh, so just in the span of about 24 to 36 hours, i was fired, but told i was essential. a variety of different ways in a variety of different communications. um, and that's just one small example of how disorganized and chaotic and incompetent the people doing this are. uh, across usaid, but across the the u.s. government, our own hr division didn't know that i was fired. they cannot confirm or deny who was terminated, why? they can't give us the paperwork that we need to apply for unemployment. so i am still kind of in this purgatory where i can't say what's happened to me, and i can't even begin to
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cobble together the remaining parts of my life to get unemployment and kind of move on from this. >> i'm so sorry that you're going through that. and you don't have the clarity that you certainly deserve. um, thank you, almog. we appreciate your time. >> and we have more breaking news coming into the situation room right now. democratic congressman sylvester turner has died at the age of 70. he was previously the mayor of houston and was elected to the u.s. house just last year to succeed the late congresswoman sheila jackson lee. let's go to cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox up on capitol hill. what more are you learning? lauren? >> yeah, this news just confirmed from the houston mayor, who released a statement saying a remarkable public servant who impacted millions of people. he rose from poverty but never forgot where he came from. it is a terrible loss for the city and a personal loss for me. i asked houstonians to celebrate his life. the mayor said in this statement, and democratic
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leadership informed some members at a meeting earlier today on capitol hill that turner had passed away. obviously, this comes as he is still a new member of congress. he was elected just in november, like you said, to fill that seat of the late congresswoman sheila jackson lee. obviously, this is a really tough news for his texas colleagues. and that delegation, as well as the rest of the house of representatives, given the fact that this is such a narrow majority for republicans in the house. we do expect that this will be filled by a special election in a couple of months, wolf. >> all right. lauren fox, thank you very much. and as we say, our deepest, deepest condolences to his family. may he rest in peace and may his memory be a blessing. >> absolutely. still ahead, just one day after canadian prime minister trudeau condemned president trump's plan to impose tariffs. a possible exception is being made. i'll speak with the former u.s. ambassador to canada.
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>> the president is listening, uh, to the offers from mexico and canada. he's thinking about trying to do something in the middle. he's thinking about it. we're talking about it. we're going to. when i leave here, i'm going to go talk about it with him. and i think early this afternoon or this afternoon, we expect to make an announcement. and my, my thinking is it's going to be somewhere in the middle. so not 100% of all products and not none somewhere in the middle. because i think mexico and canada are trying their best and let's see where we end up. so i do think somewhere in the middle is a likely outcome. >> we shall see. i want to discuss what's going on with bruce heyman. he was the u.s. ambassador to canada under president obama. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. in your opinion, how important is it for the trump administration to avert a full blown trade war with canada? >> oh it's critical. it's probably the most important thing that they are focusing on internationally, barring the
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issues with ukraine. um, canada is our best friend and best friend. i don't mean that lightly. i mean, they've been there for us in every difficult moment that our country has ever faced. and we share this incredible border together. we do trade, and i'll come back to trade in just a second. but we also protect ourselves militarily. we share the resources of the great lakes together. and the canadians have been there for every difficult moment that we've had in nine over 11. i mean, we we've had plays, broadway shows about the relationship we have with canada and come from away. we had books and movies written about how canada has been there for us in iran, dealing with the diplomats during the iran hostage crisis. this is a special relationship. and what i think the trump administration is missing is that it's based on trust. you know, george shultz wrote on the occasion of his 100th birthday
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that the coin of the realm is, if there's trust in the room, good things happen. and if there isn't trust in the room, good things don't happen. trust is built over a long period of time. the canadians have trusted us for many decades as we have trusted them. but we signed an agreement under the first trump administration to update nafta to usmca. it was a trade agreement, and these tariffs are a direct opposition to that agreement, which we all signed and shook hands. and donald trump said this was the greatest trade deal ever. and so all of these other narratives that are coming out don't fit. it just doesn't fit. the fentanyl doesn't fit. the the migration, the the level of trade, the deficit we have. all of these seem like 6 or 8 different excuses to put a tariff on canada, which i believe is a mistake.
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>> you heard, ambassador, what the white house trade adviser, peter navarro, just told us a little while ago about these tariffs. what do you make of what we heard from him, basically, that canada under justin trudeau is not doing enough to prevent fentanyl and undocumented immigrants from coming into the united states. >> so first, let's just lay this out. fentanyl is awful. it's it's a it's it's a huge problem that we face all over north america for that matter. opioid abuse is killing too many people. but putting a 25% tariff across the board, on board on canada for a fentanyl issue is inappropriate. it doesn't link up to the the level of the issue we face. the reason the administration is doing this is because they can't put the tariffs on because they say we're short cash, or we need some money from the canadians. they need to construct an emergency. and that emergency under iipa or other factors that they're going to use to claim
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that they need to put these tariffs on. they needed to construct the emergency. the emergency they constructed was fentanyl and migrants. and it just doesn't fit with what's actually taking place. >> canada, as you know, is the top u.s. trading partner when it comes to goods and services with the united states. and certainly one of our closest allies. i can confirm that i grew up in western new york, in buffalo, along the border with canada, and i love canada. visited there many, many times. we used to have a summer home there. do you believe permanent damage, though has already been done to this extraordinary relationship? >> first of all, i hope not. that would be just a shame and completely unfortunate because, you know, if the u.s. were to pick any country around the world that we want as our neighbor, we'd pick canada every day of the week. and i hope, even still, that canada would pick us up. but we have done a lot of damage, wolf. i have never seen canadians so upset on an individual basis. so
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saddened by the breaking of the trust that has been taking place over these last few weeks. and i think that the administration keeps talking about a tariff and a trade. canada and the u.s. is not a transactional relationship. we do transactions. candidate in the u.s. is a bonded relationship. and it's not just friends. we have family. there are more americans living in canada than any other country in the world outside the united states. there are more canadians living in america than any other place outside of canada. and so we are family. we have children together. we play sports together. we study together. this is deeply painful to the canadians. what's taking place. >> very quickly. before i let you go, ambassador, how damaging has trump's words about canada becoming the 51st state of the united states been? >> god it's hurtful. i mean, you know, on one hand, you know, i guess somebody might say, wow, that's nice because you like us so much. but that, you know,
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in a minute. we have more breaking news coming into the situation room right now. the united states, the trump administration has paused intelligence support to ukraine following last week's oval office clash between ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy and president trump. all that, according to the cia director, john ratcliffe, who clarified the move earlier today. listen to this. >> president trump said, is he asked. >> for a pause in this case as as everyone saw play out? president trump had a real question about whether president zelenskyy was committed to the peace process. and he said, let's pause. i want to give you a chance to think about that. >> joining us now, cnn's senior
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military analyst, retired admiral james stavridis. he's a former nato supreme allied commander. he's also a partner at the carlyle group, a global investment firm. admiral, thank you so much for joining us. first, let me get your reaction to this announcement that the u.s. is stopping, at least for now, intelligence sharing with ukraine. >> you know, we used to talk about maximum pressure campaign on iran. what i'm starting to feel like is we want to put maximum pressure on an ally, a partner, a friend, and that would be ukraine. so i, for one, do not believe this is going to contribute to getting this deal back together again. but it certainly of a piece with pausing the arms shipments. i would say militarily, wolf, this is as critical because this intelligence is what was enabling the ukrainians to launch strikes inside russia, as well as against russians who are about to attack them as they
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were approaching ukraine. this is going to cost ukrainians lives. and i hope we quickly come off the pause both on this intelligence sharing and on the actual weapon systems. >> it could have a huge impact if the u.s. intelligence community, for example, learned that russia was about to attack civilian targets in a ukrainian city, killing a whole bunch of ukrainian civilians. wouldn't the u.s. have to inform the ukraine military about that possibility in advance? if the u.s. had that kind of intelligence? >> well, i certainly hope we would apply that standard. we have a global standard of whenever we know a terrorist attack is coming, even if it is in a country with whom we are not aligned, we provide that information. i think that is of a piece with this. and i certainly hope the cia and it would be worth pressing director ratcliffe on that point. would
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in that particular instance, absolutely provide that kind of intelligence. >> you know, it was interesting because the cia director, ratcliffe, also seemed seemed to indicate this pause could be short lived following a letter that president trump says he received from president zelenskyy. here's the president describing that letter revealing the the the letter during his address to congress last night. >> the letter reads ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. nobody wants peace more than the ukrainians, he said. >> do you think this pause was a strategy to get ukraine to the negotiating table? >> certainly. that's what the president has said. that's what the vice president has said. i take them at their word on that. we're going to know in a matter of days, because as president trump just said, the letter from president zelenskyy also said the incident in the white house was regrettable. i think that's
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pretty close to an apology. i think secondly, he committed to peace, which is exactly what president trump, vice president vance and director ratcliffe have all talked about. so i took that as a positive that it was mentioned in that light during the president's speech. and i think over the next couple of days, we'll discover whether it's sufficient to kind of get this deal back on track, which i believe at this point is a good deal for the ukrainians. sign the mineral deal, keep the weapons flowing, get to a negotiating table. that's a pretty good approach. >> retired admiral james stavridis, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. congrats on the new show. >> thank you. >> thank you. and just ahead, the president's speech also included something that marked an unprecedented break from tradition. a member of congress being removed. democratic senator kirsten gillibrand weighs in.
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discuss. and i'm also looking forward to doing that. sit down with senator cotton at some point soon, hopefully. >> yes. they want to do a sit down with senator cotton together. and we just introduced a bill together. um. >> introduced. >> which. >> was the. >> drone one. >> bill on the drones. >> yeah. we're doing a drones bill together, which. >> that's what i want to do. >> introducing shortly. yeah. >> that's exactly what i want to do is sit down. >> yeah. so i'll, um, i'll check with his office to see if we're ready to introduce it, but i think it's ready. it was ready last congress, so. >> okay. >> well, let's. yeah. please let me know. i talked to them last week, so they're interested, and, um, would love to do it. >> so i'll remind him. >> okay. >> thank you. all right. we'll talk to you soon. >> thanks.
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>> president trump is digging in on his controversial agenda, attacking democrats during a defiant speech to congress last night. let's get some reaction from someone who was in the chamber. democratic senator kirsten gillibrand of new york. she sits on the intelligence, appropriations and armed services committee. senator, thank you so much for coming on. it sure sounded like president trump is welcoming a fight with democrats over his agenda. last night, though, the democrats showed some disunity. different
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signs, disruptions, different coordinated clothing. the messaging was unclear. your colleague, senator durbin said there's a better way to do it. how is your party going to fight back in a unified way? >> so i thought the speech last night was really divisive. and these types of speeches are meant to bring the country together. you're supposed to be the president for the whole country. so i thought his choices were harmful because it was intended to continue to divide the country. i think different members of congress decided to articulate or show their concern with the direction the president is taking this country. uh, he didn't mention. he didn't mention the middle class once. he didn't talk about the price of food or fuel or housing. he didn't talk about what he was going to do to bring inflation down and the cost of things down. in fact, he even said that his tariffs would be disruptive and would create higher prices. so he didn't address what new yorkers, i think really wanted him to address. and so we all have to not only articulate how these
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policies hurt the people we represent and what we can do to stop it, whether it's through advocacy or litigation or through some legislative maneuvers. when we have bills on the floor. >> and, you know, he did say that he wants to make america more affordable. that's a top priority. but there is still certainly a question of how he's going to do that. and he did note that it was going to be disruptive. um, and you mentioned some of the ways what you can do, but i think there's still a question of the democratic messaging and whether there should be more unity. do you think there should be more unity among the democrats of how to fight back? >> democrats are unified in caring about our constituents and how much it costs to feed their families, how much it costs to get kids to school or to get to work, how much it costs to rent a home or buy a home. these everyday costs are literally crippling families and their ability to function and thrive. and so we are unified on
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that. and when we go home to our districts and our states, we are having town halls. we are talking to people about ways we can bring costs down and how president trump is refusing to do the thing he said he would do, which is bring costs down. and just because he mentioned a bumper sticker during his speech, it was an hour and a half long speech. he didn't detail any policies or talk about his vision for how he was going to getting food prices down. and when you do have these tariffs on canada, and ally on mexico and on china, pretty much everything you buy is going to go up in cost. we get lumber from canada. that means it's going to bmosive to build housing, to have affordable housing. we get a lot of food from mexico and canada, so our food prices will go up. and china. they produce everything you buy at walmart. so anything you need to go to the store for on a given day will be more expensive. from a computer to a dust mop. like, it's literally everything that you do for your home or your family is going to be more expensive.
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>> i want to talk about something else there. certainly the concern over prices and what's going to happen there. you did have best buy and target say prices will go up as a result. there's also the the way in which this administration is handling the war, the illegal invasion of russia into ukraine. cia director john ratcliffe just revealed that president trump has curtailed intelligence support to ukraine, on top of the military aid that he's already cut off. you sit on the intelligence committee. what does that mean for ukraine's war effort? >> well, it's devastating. uh, what president trump has continued to do is to bring adversaries closer and to push allies away. and what that does is make us less safe. when he is being weak against a dictator like putin, it's inviting other dictators to invade countries, to take territory to destroy the world order. he is sending a signal to xi that he is not going to do anything. if they want to take territory. he is telling nato allies, we're not going to stand with our allies
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of the last 75 years. he's literally inviting, um, the type of behavior we see out of putin and other dictators around the globe. and it's dangerous. and so what was announced today is very dangerous for ukraine. it will be harder for them to win this war. uh, and it isolates the united states further. and trying to create a more peaceful country, a more peaceful world. >> if this. >> helps bring the pressure to get the deal back on track with ultimately peace as the end goal. would you support this tactic? >> so you're asking if cozying up to putin is going to end the war sooner? well, it might end the war through capitulation and giving putin the territory that he actually invaded. that is not a great outcome. that is a terrible outcome for peace, security and the world order that has kept our country safe. >> president zelenskyy has been reaching out to president trump trying to repair their
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relationship, apparently, which president trump seems to be pleased with. are you optimistic that these two leaders can put their fiery oval office clash behind them? >> i'm hopeful. i thought the letter that zelenskyy sent was thoughtful and was gracious. and so hopefully this is something that president trump will receive positively, hopefully do a minerals deal, hopefully protect ukraine and not give territory away to putin. we'll see. you know. president trump is unknowable. he changes his mind. he's mercurial. he bases his decisions on things that are not the norm. and as a consequence, we don't know which direction he's going to go in. and that's also creating enormous instability among our allies. among, um, peace loving countries and people around the globe. >> senator kirsten gillibrand, thank you so much for your time. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up, president trump is slapping tariffs on
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america's allies while building closer ties with adversaries. is this new administration reshaping the world order? fareed zakaria is standing by live. he will weigh in. that's next.
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>> two. oh my god. >> here's the problem. the vols. >> the tennessee vols are. >> fareed, it's. wolf, can you hear. >> me?
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>> color. is this. so? that's a little tricky. >> well. >> you look good. you sound good. thank you. we're coming to you next. >> sounds good. >> thank you. quick question, bryan ferry. >> just making sure you can hear me as well. great to have you on. >> it's pamela. >> i can hear you. >> yep, i can hear you. great. >> when we think, fareed, we should mention.
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president trump's sweeping tariffs on mexico and canada are raising enormous concerns over how america is treating two of its biggest trading partners. and it comes as the white house
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further aligns itself with u.s. adversaries like russia and its authoritarian leader, vladimir putin, all while shifting away from ukraine and clashing with president zelenskyy. >> joining us now is cnn's fareed zakaria. fareed, thank you so much for being here with us. i want to begin with these tariffs. what impact will they have on americans? >> oh, they'll be. >> they're very significant. >> they're very substantial. >> so if you take american. cars the way over the. >> last 25. >> years that. >> the car. >> industry has made american cars is. >> to create. >> an integrated. >> supply chain with canada and mexico. what that means is some parts are made in canada, some parts are made in mexico, a lot. >> is made. >> in the u.s. the parts move back and forth because of the tariffs. every time an auto part moves, it gets, it gets tariff. that's why there are estimates by anderson, a consulting firm, that the the price will go up maybe 8 to $9000 for an suv. uh,
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so what you have is the north american car industry is now going to be discriminated against. and who's going to benefit the german car industry, the korean car industry, the japanese car industry, because those cars were coming to america tariff free. it's a very strange, self-defeating, uh, set of tariffs because the u.s. has built over the last 30 years a really remarkable integrated economy with with canada and mexico. it's in many ways more dynamic than the than the european union. and now we're shooting ourselves in the foot. >> president trump, fareed, has repeatedly accused other countries, including u.s. allies, of taking advantage of the united states. why does he think this is the case? >> trump is a protectionist to his bone, is his first political statement as a real estate developer in the 1980s, was a full page ad he took out in the
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new york times, where he talked about how japan was ripping the united states off, taking advantage of the free trade system, how japan was going to clean our clock, dominate the world. uh, it is worth noting none of that turned out to be true. in fact, japan went into a 20 year, uh, 25 year stagnation. the u.s., by staying open and innovative, actually was able to leap ahead. you know, the numbers tell you the story. in 1995, average japanese, uh citizen was 50% richer than the average american citizen. today, the average american citizen is 140% richer than than the average japanese. in other words, we've done way better than the than countries like japan that protected their markets. but he believes this stuff. and you know, so he finds any excuse, the excuse he's using with canada is ludicrous. it's fentanyl. canada represents 2% of the fentanyl
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that comes into the u.s., but it has provided trump with what i assume is a pretext. uh, in order to slap tariffs on them. >> right. and you heard justin trudeau say that. he said it's a false pretext to blame canada for, uh, fentanyl. so i want to go to another big topic, of course, and how donald trump is handling the war in ukraine. european nations have been rallying around ukraine since trump and zelenskyy clashed in the oval office. and meanwhile, the trump administration has been aligning more and more with russia. there's ample evidence for that. is trump's foreign policy essentially reshaping the world order? with the u.s. no longer at the forefront? >> i think this is going to have a seismic long term implications because, as you say, um, what trump is now down is he's withheld military aid to ukraine. he's withheld intelligence sharing, which actually is an extraordinary thing. it costs us very, very little. and it was crucial. it was the eyes and ears for for ukraine to fight its, its war
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defending itself and its territory against russian aggression. uh, but what it really does is it will ask people, uh, can can the united states be trusted? this is a country, you know, ukraine, that we've been supporting. really. we've been supporting ukraine's independence since 1991. we supported ukraine when it gave up its nuclear weapons, the third largest arsenal in the world. it gave it to russia in return for russian security guarantees that the russians have now been violating for ten years. so everyone is going to be asking, can we trust the americans, or will they promise us one thing and then flip on us? >> take a listen to this clip of senator elissa slotkin official democratic response to trump's address last night. listen to this. >> president trump. >> loves to say peace. >> through strength. that's actually a line he stole from ronald reagan. but let me tell you, after the spectacle that just took place in the oval
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office last week, reagan must be rolling in his grave. donald trump's actions suggest that in his heart, he doesn't believe we're an exceptional nation. he clearly doesn't think we should lead the world. >> fareed, is she right? >> the way i put it is this trump believes in transactions. he's always looking for transactions. he's always looking for how can he squeeze somebody? and the people you have leverage with tend to be your friends, right? i mean, we have an integrated economy with the with the canadians. so you have leverage with them. we provide protection to europeans. we have leverage with them. we provide so much military assistance to ukraine. we have lots of leverage with them. trump doesn't have a lot of leverage with putin. he doesn't have a lot of leverage with xi jinping. so the the strange result of it is that trump, you know, is b at wawith america's allies and cozying up to america's enemies. and that transactional nature means that what he is missing is the united
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states has built a world order since 1945, not on the basis of individual transactions, where we always squeeze the other side, but by building enduring relationships with like minded liberal democracies that have now endured for eight decades. and by by casting a shadow on that, by maybe undermining it all. yes, he is in some sense, uh, furthering the cause of the autocratic, aggressive powers like russia and china. whether it's his intention or not, that is the effect. >> fareed zakaria, always great to have you on and hear your analysis. thank you so much. and make sure to tune in every sunday to fareed zakaria gps. that's at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. eastern on sundays. >> i'm a usual regular viewer. and to our viewers, thanks very much for joining us this morning. you can keep up with us on social media at wolf blitzer and at pamela brown cnn. we'll see every weekday morning for our
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expanded two hour situation roo >> inside politics with our friend dana bash is next, right after a short break. >> jerry moran.
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