didn't want to entertain it? or do you think that means the answer is probably. >> yes, but i don't get. >> an answer to a question. i normally think it's because it's in the affirmative. >> you know, that would be a safe bet. but here, honestly, i think his lawyers probably said, don't go anywhere down that road, right? because if you answer one question, well, then they're going to have a follow up question, and then they're going to start leading you down the primrose path, and you're going to end up saying a lot more than you wanted to say. >> yeah. and he was up there. you know, this is we do have this hearing that is going to happen in front of judge ho. the judge he referenced there that this is going to go before there's a real question of, you know, how much time he's taking here. what do you read into that? >> yeah, i think he is taking more time than we might have anticipated because he wants to get it right, as we know, he actually solicited an outside opinion from a well-known conservative lawyer about what his powers here are. and i think he wants to make clear that he's not a rubber stamp. i think that there's a sense in the law that maybe when prosecutors want to drop a case, the judge has no choice but just to sign his name to it. and i think judge ho wants to say, i'm going to kick the tires a little bit on this before i give it my stamp of approval. >> it's a great point, tom

dupree. thank you for all of that. and writing our lawyerly statements. thank you so much for joining us. cnn newsnight is up next. >> tonight, throwing. >> it in. reverse donald. >> trump takes the road. many say he should not have traveled to begin with. undoing tariffs on allies. as the courts put roadblocks in the way of his doge driven agenda. plus, protests or pettiness. >> that's your warning. >> democrats put themselves on display. do americans like what they see? or is the minority missing the moment? also, maga makes the case to harden the federal crimes of the former police officer who murdered george floyd. live at the table julie roginsky shermichael singleton arthur eid al-adha ana navarro. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here

they do. good evening to you. i'm sara sidner in new york in for abby. phillip, let's get right to what america is talking about. tariff whiplash tonight. president trump blinked. now he says some of his tariffs are on hold. the president giving automakers a month to figure out how to deal with the 25% hit on imports from mexico and canada. taxes. the big three warned, would make manufacturing cars all but impossible. just just monday, trump said the tariffs would happen and there was no concession big enough to stop them. but now he's wavering a bit. the markets that trump loves to tout don't love him back on this issue. his tariffs forcing investors on a roller coaster ride they never wanted. here's what the last three days have looked like for the dow. a tower of terror style drop when tariffs went into place. you see it there and then a climb back

up not as high as where it was, but as trump paused the auto tariffs. joining our fifth seat, the master of data, mr. harry enten. uh, let's start with this. all right. so i guess the big question is, and this is to you, anna, first, did donald trump not think this through? are we just playing by the seat of our pants? why the switch? oh. change here, do you think? >> yes. >> yes. >> he did not think it through. he's playing by the seat of his pants. it's. you know, it's one day. it's this. one day it's that. i mean, it changes every hour. it seems. i was literally on the phone with a friend of mine who has a car dealership asking him, is this going to affect you? when the call came in that when the news came in that he was switching it on cars? listen, one of the things that he ran on that was really important to people who voted for him was the price of groceries. right. and one of the things that's going to be most quickly affected are the price of food, because those are

perishable items. it's not like a car that can sit on a lot for months. uh, strawberries, tomatoes, guacamole cannot sit on a shelf for months and weeks, so these things need to be replenished. they're going to be hit by these tariffs very, very quickly. and may i remind you, it's not only my guacamole, it's the tequila that i wash it down with that's going to be hit with 25%. and i will also say this. it is incredibly you know, it's unnerving. it's it's it's weird, painful to see, uh, the canadians removing our u.s. products from their shelves. i mean, what are we doing here? this is the most. i don't think you can say he's flying. >> by the seat of his pants. he. he campaigned on this. he's been talking about this for a long time. i'm not saying there aren't certain things that president trump does fly on the seat of his pants. this is just not one of them. this is something that he's thought. >> about imposing tariffs on cars today. he isn't. because

he says he's going to do it in a month. >> it's all calculated. look what he did with the with the zelenskyy for he threw him out of the white house. and now they're going to be best friends in a couple of minutes. so this is all calculated. all these kind of big issues. i'm not saying the little things. he doesn't fly by the seat of his pants. what's calculated? >> tanking the market. that's calculated. >> i mean imposing. tariffs and making people. >> pay more for groceries and for cars and for. >> he's looking at the big picture. he's not looking at a one day gain or a one day. >> one day gain. it's all it's all collapsing. every single metric. >> is collapsing. >> level set here for a minute. bw released a statement yesterday saying that this is good news because it's going to return jobs back to american workers. in the early 90s, the idea of nafta, the north atlantic free trade agreement, was that it was going to rise and lift all boats, that the middle class would expand. it would be better. that was not the case. i spent about an hour on my way up here to new york from dc, reading all of the old news articles that came out a couple, maybe a year or two after nafta. it decimated middle class families across this country. so if the president is saying canada relies more on us,

mexico relies more on us than we do them, let's start there and level set so that there's some equilibrium. that is absolutely a good thing. and the uaw, they're not republicans, they're not conservatives. there's no way they would release that statement if they didn't believe it was in the best interest of working class people in this country. >> look, all i can. say is i don't know how where. >> things are going to end up six months from now. i mean, trying to predict things in this political era, you know, is like trying to predict whether or not, you know, the new york jets will find another quarterback who's over the age of 95. >> still bitter. >> but but i do know this. i do know how poorly the tariffs are polling you know, what are we talking about? 64%. nearly two thirds of the country oppose the tariffs against canada. what are we talking about? 3/5 of the country that opposed the tariffs against mexico. there are plenty of things that donald trump does that are popular. this is not one of them. >> all right. let's move on to something else that has caused ruffled feathers. it looks like elon musk is in a bit of damage control. he is going behind the scenes. we have some reporting that he is talking behind closed doors with republicans who have for a several weeks now been

saying, you got to you got to discuss with us some of what you are doing. give me some sense of what you think republicans need to be saying. i'll start with you, shermichael. what republicans need to be saying to him, because doge, you've got the numbers not popular. >> you know, it's not popular. i've seen some of harry's reporting on it. look, i actually think we could look back to the 90s to bill clinton and look at that playbook and learn a thing or two. next year, we're going to have midterms coming up. we have a very, very slim majority in the house right now. so as a strategist, i'm thinking about what can i equip those members in the house to go back to their districts. some of those republicans who may be contesting democratic seats to run on in terms of campaign messaging to say, look, we are trying to shrink the size of government. we're doing it this way through the legislative process. we have passed buyouts in the 90s. it was, i think, $25,000. that would be $55,000 today. there is a process to do this where you bring all republicans together that i believe strategically would be an advantage to the party writ

large. >> listen, what republicans need to be telling elon musk is control your roll, dude. we are a co-equal branch of government. you can't just skate over us. we are the ones who appropriate the money. we are the ones who know the needs of our districts. i remember when doge was first announced, there was actually a bipartisan doge caucus. people in congress wanted to work with him and were happy about the idea of cutting government waste. but the way he's gone about it, firing people who work on the nuclear arsenal and then scrambling to rehire them, firing scientists who work on avian flu and then scrambling to find them again so they can rehire them, firing people at noaa, getting rid of 70,000 people at the veterans administration. what the hell is he doing? and you know why this is happening with republicans? because people are showing up at their town halls and demanding attention. it is the people who are going to get a change from republicans. they need to be more afraid of their constituents than they are of

donald trump and elon musk. >> i want to ask you a question about that, because we have seen at least three of these town halls where things erupted and the republicans had to sort of respond to some angry constituents. now we're hearing that some republicans are canceling those town halls. is that political suicide or is it smart? like, what do you say to republicans saying, you know, we're not going to hold these town halls because we don't want to hear it? >> well, whether it's political or suicide or not, i'll defer. i. i'm going to i'm going to look at the law, though, and i can understand if people who don't really study this and i'm not saying i do, but when the president of the united states puts these people in the cabinet, right, they have to be go through this big senate confirmation, right? they got to be vetted by the fbi and all of that stuff. somehow or another, elon musk is like gone around that. now, you know, in the first administration of trump, his son in law and his daughter had all kinds of access. they were never confirmed by the united states senate. so there's this like, fine line of who the president can have work

for him without senate confirmation and what he can give them to do without senate confirmation. and that's what i think the courts are struggling with, with these decisions that are now coming down from the federal. >> spending money that is appropriated by congress, or not spending money. >> that is. >> appropriated by. >> congress, not spending. >> and that's the problem. the problem is that the congress has the power of the purse. and unfortunately, donald trump has decided that congress be. elon musk can do whatever he wants with money that, again, has already been appropriated by congress and signed into law by the previous president. that's the thing. this is the law, and they're just flagrantly violating it. and that's, you know, you're a lawyer. you know, that's not legal. >> well, that's why there were all these these court cases, right. >> and that's why the people not not having the courage to face their constituents is chicken. >> it's cowardly. it is so chicken, maybe they can start laying eggs and. >> they mar-a-lago. all of us will make an omelet. let me let me just say a few things. number one, when it comes to government spending, americans are in love with the idea of cutting government spending much more so than they were five years ago, i

think. i think it's like 55% of americans who say they want to cut the size of government, they want to make sure it's doing less, not more. i think the number was reversed. it was 55% who said it should be doing more back in 2020. so that's one thing. but elon musk is not a popular guy. i mean, that's the bottom line here. if he is leading this effort, i think it's going to go much. it's not going to go as far as it would if congress was leading the effort. and this, i think, is the big question can republicans in congress actually get their act together? they have such a thin majority, if they can, and they're the ones who are in charge of cutting the spending, that would be a much better situation for republicans going into the midterms. >> can i just jump in on something you said? because i've been a political consultant for a very long time, and i can tell you, yes, polling shows that people want government cut until you start talking to them specifically about what it is that government should be cutting. and then you start talking about taking away my medicaid, or taking away my medicare, or taking away my social security, or doing things which we all know is the biggest expenditure in congress and the biggest expenditure in the government. and all of a sudden they don't like it, right? it's fine. it's fine until it comes for them. sure. now it's coming. >> for them. but who's cutting

medicaid, medicare, social security, the. >> excuse me. >> we're not taking that away from anybody. >> there is a proposal. >> we're not republicans, but we're not. but we're not taking it away from. >> how could you have voted for the blueprint, this talking point, as a scare tactic? >> elon musk, the president, the house majority leader, the senate leader. we have not cut anyone's. >> how are you cutting? excuse me? how are you cutting $880 billion from the energy and commerce appropriation committee until from the energy and commerce committee, unless you cut medicaid. >> do you think those things will solve it? >> excuse me. do you think? answer my question. >> a simple. >> financial question. do i think, do we not need any level of reform? >> i'm sorry. let me ask you a question. you're saying we're not cutting medicaid? we're not. we're not. >> where is the legislation. >> that's been passed. by congress, signed by the president? >> where? >> what is this? what is this budget blueprint that every single republican. >> idea. >> everybody has an idea, julie. that doesn't mean the ideas. it's an. >> actual it's not an idea. it is a blueprint that they said, go ahead, julie. it's not a scare tactic. >> that's what you're doing right now. it's a scare tactic.

you're saying, oh, we're making cuts. we'll have. >> the cuts. why? >> why have the. >> cuts occurred? why did congress? why did congress bother wasting everybody's time voting for a blueprint that said, cut $880 million billion dollars, excuse me, from energy and commerce. the only way to achieve that is to cut medicaid. how are they going to do that? >> unicorns exist. where have we made the cuts? it's a simple question where have we made the cuts? where and when. >> where and when. >> where and when have we made. >> the cut? put a blueprint forward to allow congress to do that. then why did you waste time doing it? why? >> okay, where have you made the cuts? you've made the cuts, for example, to usaid, which we should. farmers it is. it's been done arbitrarily. it is affecting farmers. it is affecting u.s. contractors who had penned contracts with usaid. you are cutting funds by firing thousands and thousands and thousands of government workers, some of them veterans who we as a country have promised to take care of, and sending them a pink slip through an email and giving them absolutely no recourse. that's where we're cutting from. and i think it's no, i think it's you don't you don't think it's happening. let me ask.

>> you. >> this question. >> when clinton in the 90s cut and fired hundreds of thousands. of federal workers. >> no no no no no no no no no. but he did. >> not arbitrarily he point i'm making, though, if we slow this process down and we do it more methodically, you still would not be happy with that process. i would imagine i would presume. >> listen, i think that if we cut, i think that most americans would be in favor. and you tell me of cutting 5%, 10%, doing it in a methodical way, studied way, so that we are not firing them? people, i would agree with you there. i would agree. >> with you there that we could at least meet in the middle and figure out who to cut, where to cut, and when. >> i love that we just came together. >> right here. we came together. we're having fun. place to stop the train. we will rev it up again after this break. ahead, elon musk is sharing a host's desire to pardon derek chauvin, the former officer responsible in george floyd's murder. now, floyd's family is responding. plus, democrats are tearing each other apart over strategy and behavior as another moment makes headlines. this is.

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deliver it. in response to president trump. >> what's the next? article? >> let me proceed. data from texas shows that u.s. born americans commit more rape and murder than immigrants. >> this trend of you all trying to get thrown out of committees so you can get on msnbc is going to end. we're not going to put up with it. sheria smith. >> of this committee. >> you can go. you can go. >> with mr. frost and mr. green. >> reclaiming my time. that's what you want. >> no. >> no. >> mr. president, i've been very i have been very. accommodating to you, mr. shubi arun. >> i take particular umbrage as a. >> survivor of. >> sexual violence. go. i will. >> insert into. >> the record. this is my right. >> okay, so that happened today. um, which was which was a very strong back and forth. julie, when you look at what happened after the president spoke, you

had democrats doing all manner of things, and they're now the senate. some of the senate democrats are criticizing the house democrats. what's wrong with the democrats and their messaging? >> how much time do you have? because if we want to blow out commercial breaks, i can answer that question. everything is wrong with democrats and their messaging. the problem with democrats and i said this right after the election, and i continue to say this, is that there is no message, there's no coherent message that is able to explain in plain english to the american people what the democratic party stands for. and in the absence of having that message, they've disappeared. they've thrown stuff at the wall to see what sticks. i don't know what that was yesterday. i'm glad they all wore pink. i don't think anybody outside the beltway understood what they were trying to do. unless somebody was really tuned in to cnn or other networks to have people explain it to them. um, i don't quite understand why nobody in the democratic party has come together and said, this is what we're doing. we're not focus grouping. every single thing that the president does and waiting six weeks to figure out how to respond to it. we are coming up with one coherent

message, and we're preaching from it. from the coy wire book together. and i'm very happy to provide that message to democrats if they want to listen. but we don't have time for that right now. >> but i don't think the message is going to come from elected officials, frankly. and i think part of the problem is that there's no clear leader. right, right. if you ask any republican who the clear leader is, they can tell you it's donald trump and elon musk. >> but who should it be? >> well, it doesn't it should be the people. and i think the message is going to come bottom up. i think that the reason you're seeing some budging on the republican side is because it's the people impromptu taking to the streets you've had. >> but the democrat, in my opinion, the democrat who's ducking is barack obama. bill clinton is on the older side. biden. he should be a leader right now. he who is who's the leader of the democrats? >> he's not. >> he's elected to office. >> i don't mean the way. look, bill clinton did not disappear after his presidency. he was a tremendous force for the he was the leader of the democratic party until barack obama became

won the nomination. he was the unspoken leader. but there was a lot of leadership by bill clinton so what, barack obama i mean, i've. >> heard some. >> interesting things on this. >> who else? who else is going to. >> be not him? i mean. >> he hasn't been stature. he's got the brains, he's got the charisma, he's got everything. he was. >> the last president when i couldn't even be eligible to run for the united states senate. that was he hasn't been president for nearly a decade. >> it should be biden. but it can't be, but. >> i can't. i'll tell you this. what i do know is that democrats are not going to take advice from you on who should be leading them. >> you got a problem with barack obama? let's put this on cnn. she's got a problem with barack. >> obama. obama's plan is living his best life, and it's the not the strength from the democrats has got to come from the people. because the only thing that the talking heads and the elected officials do is attack each other today, instead of attacking trump's lies and yesterday's state of the union attacking the fact that trump was making up stories about transgender mice, i guess he thinks the mice are all turning

into little emilia pérez. we are talking about the democrats and how they are infighting again. >> but harry, are there any numbers? i mean, this give you a sense of who might be able to lead. >> i think the funniest thing is, if you look at the 2028 potential democratic field, the person who leads it is kamala harris. now, that might just be name recognition, but we've learned that sometimes those early polls, when you're polling 35, 40%, i remember donald trump was polling 35, 40% back in 2021. a lot. >> of people ask the question, do you think barack obama played any role in pushing joe biden off the stage? because if you say he didn't, you are just naive. >> i will tell you. >> that barack obama was. he went in. >> how many places did he go during the 2024 campaign and told young black men to get behind kamala harris, and how much good did that do him? >> it didn't work. >> it didn't work. but people don't listen to him anymore. >> people? well, that's a different story. that's a different that's a different point. >> an ineffective leader. >> okay. that's different than you're saying. i haven't heard the guy's name in forever. >> no, no, no, he just hasn't been relevant in forever. >> the democratic party itself

is, frankly, an irrelevant political party. they don't have a message. their policy positions have left cities across this country in shambles. i mean, even last night. let's just think about this for a minute. the president highlighted d.j., the young kid who's dealing with cancer, cancer survivor. they didn't even have enough decency to stand and applaud. he highlighted the mother, whose daughter was killed by an illegal immigrant. they didn't stand and applaud. he talked about law enforcement, not the bad guys, but the ones who are doing good work every day across this country, keeping our cities safe. they didn't stand. and applaud. it appears to me that the democratic party, in my personal opinion, is a party that is in chaos right now. you think they have no idea which direction. >> with all due respect, you think democrats are going. to wait? let me say this. you think democrats should applaud donald trump when he talks about law enforcement? >> no, but a kid with cancer. >> stop stop stop stop. >> let me just. cancer. >> no. excuse me. in that very chamber where donald trump's goons tried to harm the people that were sitting there and applauding donald trump. you want democrats to take advice from donald trump about.

>> law enforcement? it's not about taking advice, julie. some things should just simply be above politics. and those. >> are three instances that could have simply applauded. i'm sorry. >> you don't have to like the president to say these are good things. >> this president is cutting funding for childhood cancer. you want to know what he's cutting funding for the nih, the cdc. he's got a wacko as the head of hhs. and you want to talk about i'm sorry. i'm very happy for that. i'm very happy for that kid. i'm glad that his lifelong dream came true and he became, you know, a cop or whatever he wanted to become. but the bottom line is that all it does is accentuate the horrors that donald trump is imposing on kids with. >> carrots seem pathetic and they seem petulant. and their behavior last night. and if they think that's going to help them going into midterms next year, i say keep going. >> but what about the optics? shermichael? because i know that you look at strategy and if their constituents, which is basically half of the country, i mean, look at donald trump did not win in a landslide. when you look at the numbers at the end. right, harry. >> he won by one point, one

point percentage. >> but you know what? >> we define. >> a mandate as a victory. a win is a win. >> a win. >> is a win is to spoil. >> but i'm just saying there is half of the country and half of the voters who rejected him. so if they're standing there and clapping and that's used, you know, by campaigns that may be, would that be an issue for you if someone standing up and clapping for. >> kamala harris if i were a democratic strategist, yes. you got to figure out a way to message and turn out your base. they got to figure out why did they lose black men in places like texas, pennsylvania, north carolina? i keep going back to those states because that's where you saw the largest number of black men switch over to trump. they have to figure out why they didn't perform well with hispanic men and women. i don't think standing and applauding for good, decent things would shift the needle one. >> way or another for them. there's always been an exception, and i think where people recognize the tender, emotional moments of when the people at the first lady's box get recognized, uh, that doesn't mean that you stand up for the lies. that doesn't mean that you stand up for the stupid policy proposals. but should you stand up and applaud the kid with cancer who's having his

tender moment? absolutely, absolutely. >> yes. i would just say there's a reason why congressional democrats have like a 20% approval rating and even amongst their own party has like a 40%, the lowest quinnipiac has ever measured. and i think last night and sort of what's been going on over the past few months is a gosh darn good illustration. >> of that. agreed. >> yeah. >> you think it's pettiness, julie. >> just agreed. >> he comes off as pettiness. >> it's not that i agree with what you're saying. i think the democrats have no message in congress. i think they have not done anything to help other democrats at the grassroots level as well. talk about the issues that they're craving to hear from their national leaders. and, you know, look, they have to get it together because there is an election coming up in 18 months. i think democrats are going to do very well based on the town halls that we're seeing. i think republicans are feeling a little smug the same way democrats were in 2010. and look what happened. yeah. >> that's fair, that's fair. >> so look, the bottom line is i think the democratic party needs to get its act together. i don't know who that leader is. i do know that hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer, for lack of better people, are leading the party now. it would be nice of them to come forward and

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at the table is dante mills. he's a civil and criminal attorney and a law professor at temple university. thank you so much for being here. what do you make of this? >> i'm tired of having fake conversations. so we just have to say this is gaslighting, right? so this guy was convicted by a jury in a state court. so no matter what donald trump decides to do, if he issues this federal pardon, he's going to sit in jail. so what is the purpose of it? why would you go down this line, reopen this wound when it's not going to have any impact whatsoever? >> you know, i don't think they know. i mean, you're 100% what he says is absolutely correct. it's a silly conversation. so the trial, the trial we all watched on tv was the state court trial the way donald trump does not, or any president does not have the power to pardon anyone in state court like he can't pardon himself. and only the governor of the state can do that. it's the same thing here. so hypothetically, if trump did pardon him, what happened was after he gets convicted, he then goes into federal court on civil rights violation, and he pleads

guilty to 20 years. so but it runs concurrently at the same time. so if trump pardons. >> serving the same. >> sentence, he's still standing. >> and what he's doing is. so in the state court case, he was found guilty by a jury in federal court. he pled guilty. so he acknowledged and accepted responsibility. so you're going to pardon him despite the fact that he accepted responsibility for something, obviously saying he did it because you have to tell a judge and confirm that you're accepting this plea for a reason, and there's not going to be any impact whatsoever. so other than to gaslight, other than to reopen these wounds, what's the purpose? why are we having this conversation? why is elon musk joining in and kind of making this a bigger issue? >> i'll tell you why. i mean, quite honestly, because we've gotten to a point where i think they want to incite violence, they want to incite protests so that they have an excuse to invoke what donald trump wanted to invoke last time, but was not allowed to do by some members of his cabinet, which is to incite to invoke the insurrection act and take more power. and i'm sorry, i know that sounds cuckoo

for cocoa puffs, except that we know he tried to do that last time and was stopped by people in his own cabinet. and so this is to create dissension. this is to create animosity. this is to create protests in the streets so that he can go out there and put a stop to it and basically do what he was not allowed to do last time and take even. >> more power. i think we can't we can't avoid the racial message. yep. right. absolutely. that is being sent the dog whistle. and and i think it's a lot about dividing people. otherizing people. and just having this conversation is about that the way that they're treating latino immigrants. it's about that. it's about making certain white people feel better, more powerful than black people, latino people, immigrants, you name it. you know, it. is that the group that

you can define as other. >> i spoke with the brother of george floyd, philonise floyd floyd, who who was there on the ground for a very long time. and i just wanted to read a statement. in talking to him, i covered this from the very beginning to the very end. stayed in minneapolis for about a year and followed the trial and followed the case, and was there during the protest. so here's what, um, george floyd's brother said to me. he said, if the president were to do this, it would hurt us. it is so personal. we saw our brother tortured to death. my niece would have to see him walk freely while her dad is in the ground. if he does this, it will set america back 400 years. the ones pushing for this are trying to remove any power that black americans have to get justice. it is disgusting. why would you do this? why would you reinjure this family and america? so why is musk pushing this? >> look, i think the good news here is, from my understanding, no one at the white house is entertaining this. there isn't any political advantages strategically for the president

to even consider such a thing. sometimes stuff on social media. >> elon musk is in the white house. >> well, yeah, sometimes i think he's on social media. sarah, if i'm just being frank, probably should be ignored. i just got to be honest, i think this guy has had his attorneys attempt to appeal from my understanding, and at every level, they have failed. the justice system appears to have worked the way it was intended to work. i think the white house is right to ignore this, to keep focusing on other things. if musk wants to put this out here, he owns twitter. he can do whatever the hell he wants. but from my perspective as a strategist, the white house needs to just ignore this. nothing is. >> part of the white house, and musk is retweeting this to 319 million people. so he's putting it out there. and when musk says things, donald trump listens. so what do you do. >> about it? i don't think the president's going to listen to this. and should we ignore it because we're now we're put in a position where do we ignore this issue of of gaslighting, of trying to incite things and just act like it's not going to happen because there won't be a

nothing will come of it because he'll still be in jail. or do we do we focus on it and try and make it an issue? so now you're putting us in a. position to have to. >> decide josh shapiro do we want to address. >> this or. hold on, let's look let's look at where it's coming from, the white house. this isn't coming from this isn't coming from someone at the department of justice. this is coming from an entertainer. that's what he is. no, he's an entertainer. and look, it worked. it worked. it's a topic tonight on this number one rated show on cnn. >> because the head of doge. >> someone who spoke at the cabinet meeting. >> someone. >> who was there. >> yesterday. >> we. are all. >> driving people to go watch ben shapiro right now. we're all driving people. what did he say? what's going on? >> it worked. with all due respect, he puts these kinds of people in positions of influence. dan bongino is now the number two guy. >> that's your buddy? >> no, not my. >> buddy. >> believe me. not my buddy at the fbi, right? pete hegseth is running the dod. i mean, these are all people who you could have said six months ago were the same jokers whose job was to go on tv or go on their podcasts and get ratings, and now they're in positions of influence

dismantling his secret service. >> dismantle the civil. >> rights bongino had. >> some civil. rights department at the doj, the departments that would be in charge of investigating cases like this at a federal level have ceased to exist. >> we can't ignore that that that the person who is now talking about di being a problem, dismantling, you know, things at the at the department of justice and everything else is talking about derek chauvin needs to be pardoned. those things. don't happen in a vacuum. they're all bringing coming together for a reason, and we can't ignore it until until the justice department, until the white house or karoline leavitt, the president's press secretary says the president is considering this. i think this is a nothing burger. i think we can move on. elon musk tweets a lot of things. do we debate that president trump is now considering every single tweet that elon musk puts out on x every single day? absolutely not. i think we should put that in that category and keep it moving and not speak up and say, hey guys, this shouldn't happen. we don't we don't have the right or we shouldn't do that. white house isn't considering this. the justice department

isn't considering this. so as far as i'm concerned, i don't think anything. >> you say. >> and you think it's a bad idea? >> of course. >> i think it's a bad idea. >> i think most people would think it's a bad idea. >> in hearing from another one of the brothers, he said that prosecutors are now contacting him about the possibility of any of this. they want to discuss with the family, as you do. if there is something, whether it's an appeal or whether it's a potential pardon, they're already reaching out. so someone in the justice system is concerned about it. >> we can't we can't, we can't act like what do they hamas says doesn't mean anything. and all of the exhaust, all of this isn't an appeal. this is a pardon. so it doesn't have to be any any prerequisite. >> but let's. >> not forget what we started off. >> the pardon doesn't do anything. the pardon? make sure the viewers understand it does. >> it's hurtful. >> it's hurtful to the. >> people. >> who went through this situation. >> right. it means something when the press. >> but that's not the jury's verdict. it's not the jury's verdict that they're flipping over. it's his own plea. he's still doing. the bottom line is everyone should understand. he's still doing 20 years in jail, no matter what president. >> trump says. i don't agree

with you that it doesn't do anything. a pardon, a pardon would be incredibly symbolic, and i think it would be a racial dog whistle telling the white people who thought that derek chauvin was unfairly convicted that he is standing with them. >> but i agree, once it becomes an issue. >> stated that he's going to pardon. >> this guy. >> no, you're acting as if elon musk doesn't have influence over the musk. doesn't the president of the united states? >> yes. >> he. >> is over the last year, michael, he's pretty much. in. he pretty much. >> is. he spends. >> more time with elon musk, spends more time with donald trump than any other human right. he goes to mar-a-lago. he flies on air force one. he's at the state dinners. he's at the state of the union. he's at the oval office, by the way, not wearing a suit. i mean. >> if melania trump said this, would you take it seriously? >> i probably would. >> okay. >> well guess what? >> well guess what? guess what? donald trump spends more time with him. >> yeah, but he doesn't have the influence. >> he's more time with elon in his own. >> yeah, he actually does. he actually does. >> i get your point about the symbolism i completely agree

there. but the only thing that i'm concerned about is until i see something from the justice department, until i see something coming out of that white house saying that they're even considering this nonsense, then i think we've got a problem. as of now, we're not getting an inkling of of an idea that that's going to happen real. if we're saying elon musk says something and it doesn't mean anything, that's not where we are right now as a country. >> what he. >> said when elon musk says something, it has it has meaning. elon musk post a lot of very controversial things. >> ben shapiro got it. ben shapiro got exactly what he wanted. ben shapiro achieved his goal. we just spent seven minutes on the number one show at 10:00 at night. and here we are. >> shout out. >> to ben shapiro. there we go. thank you ben. >> we will see. because actually 319 million people is no small number of people that elon musk tweeted out to. so or xed out to whatever you call it these days. all right. coming up next, maga world championed justice amy coney barrett until she made decisions against president trump. now some of them are calling her a d pick going after her for her decision. we will

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compelled to actually follow the supreme court? >> that's where things get scary. so they what they did was they sent it down to the judge in washington, d.c., who originally said made this decision. and they told that judge, you give the instructions to the government what to do with the money. and if they don't follow the instructions. >> yeah. he and what army, the judge and what army are going to make him. >> do it? what the judge did is he said, you guys are taking too long to carry out my orders. so then he brought them in and issued another order that said, you have to pay this money out in 36 hours. that's why it went back into the supreme court. and they said, no, they have to follow these judge's rules. so let's see if they pay the money, they should, because this is for work that was already done. we're not even talking about whether or not the program should move forward. this is work that was already done. the judge said. these people are entitled to their money in 36. >> hours, paying for work that's already been done hasn't been a specialty of donald trump's. just ask the people. >> this conversation. worked for him. that note, dante mills, thank you so much for coming in.

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heart. he's working alongside morgan freeman, and they're chasing after kevin spacey, this guy who's committing these gruesome murders, the seven deadly sins. and at the very, very end, you're like, oh, man, they're going to get him. they finally got him. and then there's a box. and in the box is brad pitt's wife's head. >> oh, what's in the box? sorry. it's my impression. >> it's a box. >> what's in the box? >> and she was pregnant with their first child. i was like, this isn't fair. >> wow. well, mine's not that heavy. >> yeah. thank you. >> mine's pretty in pink. michael informed me during commercial breaks. never heard of. >> which is horrible. >> horrible? what? >> no, he's not seeing it. >> oh. >> thank you. >> fantastic. >> movie's fantastic. but why would this girl go back to to the guy who wouldn't take her to the prom? that has bothered me for 40 years. why would you go back to the guy who totally ditched you for prom? what about prom? what about prom? >> i believe the original ending was actually that ducky was going to. >> take her, but he was gay, so it didn't work out. >> i'm not good enough that.

anyway, a little big league movie from 1994, billy heywood, young kid manager, goes to manage the team. they make it all the way to the final game, and then they lose in the final regular season game to the seattle mariners and ken griffey jr.. that was unjust. they should have gone all the way and won the world series like a good, happy sports movie. >> anna, give us something else. >> okay, listen, my answer is, uh oh. who cares about my answer? today is 305 day. okay, miami day. and we got 2 or 305 girls. but it's okay. i'm forgetting the name. i'm now having, like, a senior moment. harry and louise. thelma and louise. thelma and louise. those two broads should have gotten away with it. they should have survived. they should have lived to a ripe old age with young lovers and. >> giving. >> you a. >> high five. >> yes. >> girl enjoyed the fruits of their labor. >> agreed. >> i was a kid when it came out. i'm an italian american. i wish rocky would have won the first fight. i mean, you know. come on, rocky would have won the first fight. it could have