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on cnn. >> i'm pamela brown. happening now. breaking news, dismantling the department. new cnn reporting about president trump's plans to begin eliminating that agency as soon as today. we're talking thousands of jobs at the department of education. the head of the largest teachers union says this shows president trump doesn't care about opportunity for all kids. >> end quote. thankful we are not alone. that's the message from the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, to european leaders as zelenskyy gathers support in brussels right now. meanwhile, the war rages on. russia conducting deadly and brutal strikes in zelenskyy's hometown. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the

situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> and we begin with the breaking news. jobs slashed, layoffs saw a brutal new report just out painting an ugly picture for our u.s. economy right now. the stock market is reacting quickly. the dow is down already more than 500 points. this after that truly shocking report showing a recession level spike in job layoffs. we haven't seen this many job cuts in a february in more than 15 years. let's go live now to cnn reporter matt egan, who's joining us from new york. matt. so what's behind all of this? >> wolf, this is the doge effect. those mass layoffs being presided over by elon musk's department of government efficiency. they're starting to show up in the real economy. challenger, gray and christmas reports this morning that the number of layoff announcements

in february surged to 172,000. that is twice as much as what we saw at this point last year. it's the most for any month since covid 19 and the most for february. since 2009, during the great recession. and when we look at the trend here, you can see there's been a clear acceleration. this figure was hovering at around 50 or 60,000 late last year, and now it has surged. challenger says that the number one reason cited for the layoffs was in fact doge. and when we look at where the layoff announcements are occurring, you can see that it's really two sectors that stand out. one, it's retail. there's been a big uptick there as consumers have started to cut back a bit on spending. and as consumer confidence has come back. but the real big impact here is government at this point. last year there were less than 200 government layoffs that were announced. now it's nearly 63,000. look, we know that doge and the trump administration, they're trying to make

government more efficient. they're trying to cut costs, address concerns about the very high federal deficit. but look, this is a there has a real impact here for the economy. and these are real people whose lives and careers have been turned upside down over the last few weeks. >> they certainly have. matt egan reporting for us. matt, thank you very much we have some more breaking news this hour. >> the white house now preparing an executive order to officially dismantle the education department. sources say president trump could sign the document as soon as today. the president has vowed to close the department since his days on the campaign trail. >> you know, i'm going to take the department of education, close it in washington, let the states run their own education. >> all right, let's go live now to cnn white house reporter kevin liptak. kevin, is this even legal? >> well, democrats say it's not an even linda mcmahon. the president's new education secretary said during her confirmation hearings that this

would require an act of congress. they would need 60 votes in the senate to break a filibuster. they don't have that right now. so what the plan appears to be is to dismantle this department piece by piece, to move some of its essential functions, like enforcing civil rights laws, managing student loans like pell grants, moving those to other areas of the federal government. but at the end of the day, no president before has tried to unilaterally dismantle an entire federal agency. so i think it's clear that this is going to end up in court like so many other of the president's executive orders. >> for example. >> all right, kevin liptak, thank you so much for the latest there, wolf. >> the next government agency, pamela, on the chopping block right now, veterans affairs, hard to believe. according to an internal memo obtained by cnn. the trump administration is now planning to cut more than 70,000 federal employees. that's a 15% cut of the veterans affairs workforce. let's go live to our pentagon correspondent, oren liebermann, right now. oren,

what will be the biggest impact from these va cuts? >> wolf, it looks like no part of the department of veterans affairs will be exempt or immune from these cuts. the chief of staff of the va wrote in a memo two days ago obtained by cnn, that they will work, to, quote, aggressively restructure veterans affairs across the entire department and, quote, resize its workforce. well, how big of a resizing will that be? they're looking to get back to the numbers in 2019, right? about 400,000 employees, which means more than 70,000 workers, many of whom are veterans, will be fired or dismissed by this administration. the chief of staff of the department of va wrote that the va is working with doge to make these cuts happen. a key question here why has the department grown since then? and that answer lies in the pact act, which president joe biden signed into law in 2022 with overwhelming bipartisan support. the goal of that was to expand, expand medical coverage for veterans

who were suffering from exposure to toxins and burn pits. and that's why it had that bipartisan support. so this part may be particularly hard hit in terms of where these firings stand. now. two members of congress from maine wrote a letter to va secretary doug collins just a couple of days ago, saying they wanted an explanation for the 2400 employees that had already been fired, and asked questions about what the intent is from here. why were they fired? are there more firings coming in the next 90 days? they're looking for those answers. by friday. we will certainly see if they get them. in terms of how soon the firings at the va could happen. the plan, according to the memo obtained by cnn, is to have a plan for these firings by mid-april. so they're moving fast. wolf. >> what are you hearing where you are right now over at the pentagon, inside the pentagon from a lot of veterans who are obviously working there and a lot of people who are working at the pentagon know a lot of veterans. how how concerned are they? >> absolutely concerned. look,

veterans make up a large part of the civilian workforce here, a workforce. they are also beginning to go after, with expectations that 5400 employees, probationary employees could be fired here soon. but also veterans make up a very large part of the workforce at the va. so there is absolute concern over what this means for them, their livelihoods and perhaps crucially, the care they receive for their own life. >> yeah, i'm sure it's very, very devastating right now. i'm a former pentagon correspondent. i know people are not very happy right now with what's going on. oren liebermann over there at the pentagon. thank you very much, pamela. >> we are tracking some new developments related to staffing cuts made by the trump administration. a workers board is reinstating, at least temporarily, nearly 6000 usda employees. that move could signal the board will reverse other mass firings made under the trump administration. and that's in addition to nearly 200 employees at the cdc who have been told they should come back to work this week, a source tells cnn those staffers worked primarily with flu and other

respiratory diseases and happening right now in brussels. a special summit is underway as eu leaders look to forge a new path forward for ukraine following president trump's decision to pause aid to the war torn country. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is meeting with and thanking european leaders, just one day after french president emmanuel macron proclaimed europe is, quote, entering a new era, one in which they may not be able to rely on the u.s. to stand by their side. let's go live now to cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson in brussels. nic, what is the latest that we're hearing out of this crucial meeting right now? >> yeah, president zelenskyy came and he gave that real debt of thanks that he said was really heartfelt from the ukrainian people that the europeans were standing by them. he said, look, this is not just words. this. this really helps to have this support at the moment, support that is really felt that he needed after that bruising meeting at the white house less than a week ago. the second now summit of european

leaders, different leaders this time what they're talking about today is a massive generational, almost shift in defense spending. and they're talking about how to finance it. look, the reality here is that the white house can make really pretty instantaneous decisions on how much support they're giving to ukraine. the european union obviously is now looking to fill that, but they're also concerned that the european union that because president trump doesn't appear to have the same security commitments to ukraine, they're worried that those commitments to to the wider european defense is also at stake. so they're standing up their own defense, but they just can't work as fast as the white house can in decision making. the tap that it has to be turned on to get that defense procurement going is the money. and they're talking about $861 billion worth of funding. figuring out today, discussing how to get that funding. and this is even ahead of when they

decide to spend it, what they decide to spend it on, how they how they sort of divvy up the money between the different european nations. so this is a step in a process. but this is this is a massive step shift in european thinking and european action. they are working with speed on this. >> all right. nic robertson, thank you for bringing us the latest there. >> lots going on there. a lot's going on in the middle east as well as the delicate truce in gaza is hanging by a thread right now. president trump is issuing a very stark ultimatum to hamas, released the hostages now, or there will be hell to pay. and now hamas says that that threat could upend ceasefire talks, as the white house has also confirmed a rather surprising revelation. the u.s. has been in direct negotiations. yes, direct negotiations with hamas. cnn jerusalem correspondent jeremy diamond is in tel aviv with the latest. >> president trump issuing a new

ultimatum to hamas. release all of the hostages now or there will be hell to pay. the president also vowing that he will send israel everything it needs to finish the job against hamas in gaza. this is not the first time that we've heard these kinds of threats from the president, but it does come at a critical time, as we've learned not only that the united states is actually negotiating directly with hamas officials, but also, as this cease fire really does seem to be hanging by a thread, israel has now decided to block all aid going into gaza and a return to war very much seems to be hanging in the background. what's clear is that the president's words here were very much impacted by a meeting he had yesterday, with eight released hostages. they credited him with their release, and they urged him to do everything he can to free the remaining hostages. the president said he is working on it very hard. jeremy diamond, cnn, tel aviv. >> and thanks very much to jeremy diamond in tel aviv for that. meanwhile, president trump

has issued what he's calling his last warning to hamas to release all the remaining captives in gaza and to do so immediately. that statement came soon after the president met with these eight freed hostages over at the white house. as jeremy just reported, listen and watch this. >> well, we said, you better let us have those people back. yeah, you better let them out. we did say that. and something happened, right? yeah. now we got to get the rest out. >> please do it again. thank you. thank you all. and we're working on it very hard. >> the trump administration is now talking directly with hamas over the hostages and the gaza cease fire. traditionally, the united states does not negotiate with groups it considers to be terror organizations like hamas. but the white house says the president believes it's, quote, in the best interest of the american people right now. pamela. >> all right. and still ahead, president trump's self-induced trade war is having real impacts on americans. we're going to speak to the founder and

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very long time. but what's going to happen here is that this vote is essentially a public admonition, a reprimand. it doesn't carry any severe consequences, but it's meant to essentially embarrass or punish a member for doing something that is out of line. censures for a long time have been extremely, extremely rare. this is something that would happen really only in the most egregious of offenses. but in the last several years in particular, they've been used much more often and on a wide variety of matters, some with one republican when the democrats were in the majority, and several times when the republicans took the majority. so expect that to happen here in a matter of minutes, then al green will go to the well of the house floor, be publicly reprimanded along party lines because of what he did on tuesday, wolf. >> any other punishment if someone a member of the house, manu, is censured, what specifically will happen to that member? >> really nothing other than this public admonition, wolf. i mean, what the there are different levels of punishment

that the house can bring to a member who violates the house rules. it can go everything from a letter of admonition. it could do a public censure like we're seeing today, actually a vote of the house like we're seeing today, which used to be a rare situation happening more frequently. and then in the most extreme situation, the actual expulsion of a member of congress. of course, we saw that in the last congress when former congressman george santos was kicked out on a bipartisan, actually two thirds majority in the united states house to do just that. so right now, wolf, it's sort of just a way to embarrass a member for what they did with, what, one party, at least here thinks that he did was wrong, which was that extended protest on the house floor. >> all right, manu raju up on capitol hill, as he always is. manu, thank you very, very much, pamela. >> and up next, concerns on capitol hill over doge. we're going to ask the former chief of staff to vice president mike pence if elon musk's reach is going too far. what do republicans really think behind closed doors? you're in the situation room.

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economy right now. >> well, pamela. >> thanks for having me. >> and congrats on the new show, guys. thank you. i think, i think for a lot of republicans, there's excitement that we're at $36 trillion in debt that we've been anxious for republicans actually to cut the size of government for a long time. and i think there's excitement about it. but at the same time, i do think there's an interest from congress to say if we really want these cuts to be permanent, then it needs to be legislated. and so i think it was a really good step for elon musk to go and speak to house republicans and senate republicans yesterday to basically acknowledge that we want to develop a rescissions package. we want to have legislation that does this because i think something that is not appreciated in this panel is if we think the executive branch can do this unilaterally, what happens in a democrat administration in the future if they come in and say, you know what, we're going to eliminate cbp. we're going to eliminate immigrations and customs enforcement. if we created the precedent that the executive branch can do this on its own, then you're creating a precedent that democrats could, too. so i do think it needs to be legislated. and it creates a tough challenge because not all these votes are going to be popular. but i think in order to ask about that, but in order to

make it, in order to make these cuts really permanent, that is the next step that has to happen. >> and for our viewers who don't always hear rescission every day, right. that means taking back what has been appropriated by congress. and it would put some republicans in a tough position, potentially because they'd have to go on the record saying, i vote for this. cut to maybe a popular program. >> right. and you really could be facing this honestly next week, because if congress is passing a continuing resolution that keeps funding at existing levels, then in essence, what the president would be signing is legislation that restores the funding to these programs. >> you know, you're talking about how the way that this has been going so far, all the power of the executive branch and what that could mean for a democratic administration. i mean, you've seen what president trump has also done with his executive orders, right? nearly all of the accomplishments that he touted during his speech were done by executive order. you know, i'm old enough to remember when republicans were complaining about president biden signing all these executive orders early on, saying this is an abuse of executive power. the white house is saying bragging now that trump has signed more than biden at this time, is this hypocritical? >> in some ways it is. i think

in 2016, i remember on the campaign trail we discussed the imperial presidency of barack obama because he got tired of dealing with congress and decided to sign a bunch of executive orders. and i think, i do think that president trump got comfortable recognizing that the executive orders can really be messaging vehicles. in some cases, they don't have the same teeth of law. in some cases, they're used to drive a message that helps to push a narrative for the american people. but there's no doubt that there's there's some reality that that the executive branch continues to get more and more power in the legislative branches, i think, ceded a lot of that over the years. >> would you, if this was a democrat, would you be saying the imperial president argument, like you were saying with obama? >> sure. for sure. and to be consistent, i think, i think that we have i. >> think this has become an imperial presidency. >> well, no. again. >> maybe sliding into that. >> no. again, i do think that if you look at a lot of the executive orders that president trump is signing, in many cases they are done to drive a message. in many cases, they do not have the force of law behind them. it's it's to set a template to say, we're going to begin such an investigation to allow congress to act. >> well, we could dive into that

later. but i want to get to tariffs because i know you have some strong thoughts on this. you were in the white house the first time. this is very different. what trump is doing in regards to his tariffs policy. tell us how you're viewing it. >> well, i think that the first administration, the president, used tariffs effectively relates to china to actually get them to the negotiating table to get concessions on some national security issues. this is a whole different ball of wax. i think in this time, the president was frustrated that he felt a lot of his advisors, the first administration, constrained where he wanted to go on trade. he has advisers from an economic perspective, a national security perspective now that fully endorse this. and again, this is another area where the legislative branch has ceded more and more of that authority to the executive branch that allows him to to have broad tariff authority. but the policies that are being pursued in this, in this big protectionist, i think, agenda, i think, actually undercuts so many of his other accomplishments in his first six weeks, because now a lot of the focus is on the economy. >> are you worried about republicans in the midterms as a result? >> well, i think you always will be. if you have basic control in one party, in all and all

branches in the house, the senate, the white house, traditionally that is going to be the case. but i think that voters elected donald trump to secure the border. i think he's had a lot of success in the first six weeks. but also the economy was the other issue. and i think people markets are rattled with all this talk on tariffs. and i think that, you know, we're only seeing the beginning of it, pamela, i think that there's indications now that the president is going to provide more exemptions on the can in mexico between now and april 2nd, but april 2nd, what he's outlined is copper, steel, aluminum, eu retaliatory tariffs. i mean, it's a whole new thing that he's looking to advance on april 2nd. and and i think again, the advisers he has around him really believe in kind of building a moat around the united states and keeping and believing that this will help rebuild manufacturing base in the united states. >> but clearly, you're concerned other republicans and businesses. >> i think that i think that this trade agenda is one that is going to really hamper the economy. and i think that that's one of the reasons that the republicans were elected. >> all right, marc short, thank you as always. great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> welcome to the situation room. thanks, wolf. good

interview. very strong. appreciate it. there's more breaking news we're following right now. the house of representatives has just wrapped up voting on whether to censure democratic congressman al green of texas after he was kicked out of the house chamber after protesting president trump's speech to that joint session of congress. pamela, this is a significant development. >> it absolutely is. i want to go to manu raju right now. he is on capitol hill. our chief congressional correspondent bring us there. manu. >> yeah. this is actually a vote that just actually ultimately became a bipartisan vote. the vote was approved on a 224 to 198 vote. there were ten democrats who joined with all republicans in voting for it. there were two democrats who voted present. now, we expect there's some. i'm told that democrats are singing we shall overcome in the well of the senate. those are the or the house. those are the democrats who are opposed to what is happening here. we'll see what

the speaker ultimately does. that kind of protest that's happening in the result of all of this. we'll listen. you're hearing the speaker right there. as you as you can hear the speaker trying to stop these house democrats. let's listen in to this, wolf. >> pursuant to clause 12, a of rule one, the house will stand in recess, subject to the call of the chair. >> well, that is a pretty dramatic development there, wolf. typically, we had expected the house to actually go in to have another vote in the aftermath of this one. so we'll see what the speaker ultimately tries to do with this protest that is now breaking out on the house floor of some members of the house democratic caucus voting, singing we shall overcome in the aftermath of this. but this is clearly a divided some elements of the democratic party that we saw ten democrats voting with

republicans to ultimately approve this measure, 224 to 198 was the was the vote to censure al green, which essentially is a public, admonition. it's a way to say that the house disapproves of an action of a specific member. it really doesn't go beyond that. it used to be very rare that the house would take such an action, really only in the most egregious of offenses. but in recent years it's becoming used much more commonly. and in the aftermath of what al green did on the house floor, republicans made clear that they wanted to punish al green for his extended outburst and ultimate removal from the house floor during donald trump's address to congress. but we'll see if the speaker decides to do anything else to these democrats who are now speaking out or chanting, it seems, on the house floor, if they're ultimately removed or if the speaker decides to take any action on them as well. >> that's very interesting. >> i'm going to take a closer look at those ten democrats who. voted to censure their fellow democrat, al green of texas. >> because i would think manu

raju i think we just lost him. but i'd like to know, historically, you know, you were talking about used to be extraordinarily rare, not so much in the last recent years, but how rare is it for a member of the person being censured, his own party to be to vote with the other side like this? >> you know, that has happened sometimes in recent history, but typically these things have gone down, at least in the last couple of years, have gone down mostly along party lines. sometimes people may break ranks, especially ones in difficult districts. one person who did vote to censure al green right now is marcy kaptur. she's a veteran ohio democrat, someone who's actually in a swing district. so that tells you something there. another one, jared moskowitz, a much more a more moderate member of the house democratic caucus. he voted to censure al green. another one, jim himes of connecticut, not perhaps not as progressive as some of the members who are actually engaging in some of that protest that was happening here. but the larger issue here, though, is the debate within the democratic party over how exactly to

express themselves as the opposition to donald trump at this key moment, in that during the during the speech, the democratic leaders did not want their members to engage on things what al green was doing. they did not want people to hold up signs. that was the the message that came from hakeem jeffries himself to his democrats and progressives in particular, were not did not listen to that advice. they wanted to show that they were fighting with donald trump, and they wanted the public to know that as well. and clearly, al green didn't take that advice also. we'll see what he ultimately says when he comes out of this censure vote. but before this vote, pamela and wolf, he said, i'm prepared to suffer the consequences of his actions. so he has really no regrets for what he did. and he said he would do it again. >> all right. manu raju up on capitol hill. important information. we'll be watching it closely. we'll see what he says and we'll report that. and we should also note well. >> that's right. and we should also note that congressman himes, who voted along with nine other democrats, voted to censure him, will be on our show a little bit later. >> we'll get his thoughts on this as well. very sensitive

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entirely separate and apart from what we should be doing. how is censuring al green helping to lower the cost of eggs? how is it reducing inflation? how is it increasing unemployment? how is it reducing housing costs? it's not. the republicans are doing meaningless stuff on the floor, and it is ultimately hurting americans. what we should be talking about is all the lies that donald trump told on tuesday night, how he how he brought in a cancer survivor while he's cutting cancer research, how he brought in the wife of a slain officer while he is pardoning others who were convicted for assaulting officers, how he lied about ukraine aid, how he lied about social security, how he lied about so many different things. that's what he's doing. that he is gaslighting the american people. and what i wish we were talking about is not how the democrats oppose what donald trump did, but the terrible lies and policies that donald trump is pushing through and the complete ineptitude and

powerlessness that the house republicans are showing. >> i want to get your thoughts on another critically important issue, specifically ukraine. congressman, the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, is holding a critically important, important meeting right now with the european leaders in brussels, as the u.s. dramatically is scaling back support for ukraine's war efforts. some trump officials have suggested that support could be restored if zelenskyy meets certain conditions. how far should the ukrainians be willing to go to satisfy president trump and get this critically important aid and intelligence sharing reinstated? >> look, i think the ukrainians have to stand up for what's right for ukraine because donald trump is not. and it is very clear, based on his actions, that donald trump is yet again trying to extort ukraine for the benefit of vladimir putin. it's one thing to talk about wanting to get to peace, but when you stop sharing intelligence and

you stop cyber offensive warfare against russia when they're doing it to us, you are placating vladimir putin. this is not trying to get to an equitable peace agreement. this is just trying to do vladimir putin's bidding at the expense of ukraine. and just like he did in 2019, president zelenskyy has to stand up for what's right for ukraine. and giving away ukrainian territory after a russian invasion by a tyrant in vladimir putin is not what's right for ukraine. so i think that we have to call it as we see it, which is that donald trump is not advocating for an equal peace deal. he's advocating to support vladimir putin, a dictator and tyrant. and that is unacceptable. >> i want to quickly turn while i have you, congressman, to another breaking news development unfolding right now. president trump is preparing to sign an order dismantling the u.s. department of education. can he legally just dismantle

the department of education by executive order, or does he need congressional action? >> well, ultimately, if you eliminate an agency, you need congressional action. but just the fact that this is what he's doing shows his disdain for the american people, shows his disdain for public education, shows his disdain for special programs that are essential for so many americans to use and learn. for title one, which provides extra funding for disadvantaged neighborhoods, this is just more and more of donald trump's effort to completely slash and burn the american government and cut costs that go to cut programs, really, and funding that goes to the vast majority of working americans so that he can pave the way for tax cuts for billionaires. that is all that he's doing with these cuts. and it is going to really, really harm the vast majority of

american people. >> one final question before i let you go, congressman, what about the pushback that elon musk seems to be getting, at least from some republicans in congress? is there an opening here for democrats to work with those republican lawmakers and try to reassert congressional authority over spending? >> wolf, it's got to come from the congressional republicans because they are in the majority. and it has been shocking to me how republicans in congress have just handed over all of their own congressional authority to elon musk. elon musk is not rooting out waste, fraud and abuse. he can't possibly know that it's waste, fraud and abuse. and in fact, the representations of what he's cutting are false on his so-called transparent wall of receipts. what he's doing is a massive corruption scheme where he's cutting other government contracts while he is getting $13 billion. this is for elon musk's own benefit. and the congressional republicans

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exception right now is a one month reprieve on auto tariffs. but americans are scared of all this uncertainty going on. >> but then we rely on the the market in mexico to get rid of some of our product. so then on the sales side, we're getting hit. so we're getting hit from both ends. >> we're doing everything in our power to try to keep the costs low. but at the same time, we have 26 employees that we have to make sure still have jobs and we still pay the rent. we still have to pay ladwp. we still have to pay our city taxes. >> i know where i work, a lot of the vendors are, you know, scared to death. >> are you worried about this? >> oh hell yeah. you know, you have to be. >> joining us now is john boyd jr., founder and president of the national black farmers association. he is also a fourth generation farmer who works at 1000 acre farm in southern virginia. thank you so much for joining us. so what do you make of these new comments by the commerce secretary? is that a relief or does it add to the

overall confusion? how are you taking that in? >> i think it adds to the overall confusion. every time they come out with a statement about the imposing tariffs or a part of it's been recalled, or all of this confusion right here at planting season for america's farmers. so this is a critical time in this country for america's farmers. they're getting their corn planters out. they want to be in the field, but they don't have the resources. uh, this session, congress put in place $30 billion to help america's farmers. and usda has not dispersed those those monies. so we need a complete farm mortgage moratorium. until that is done, you can't collect on the farmers and you haven't helped them. and in the president's speech, he said he loved. he loved farmers. uh, that bear with him. uh, but we don't have time to bear with them. the last time the president imposed tariffs on america's farmers, soybeans. and i'm a soybean producer, went from $16.80 a

bushel all the way down to $6 a bushel. and we had to depend on the market facilitation program, a usda program, and and black and the government don't go good in the same sentence. and those payments was delayed. so many black farmers and many didn't receive the payments. so these are some of the things that are facing us right now. today as i speak to you. and we need farm operating loans. and that's something that usda should put out there. and we have an egg shortage. and we have farmers out here in our organization that have vacant poultry houses that they can't get poultry flocks in because we don't have farm operating monies to, to to work those facilities. >> so you say you can't afford any sort of disruption and you're responding to what we heard from president trump during his speech saying, hey, hang in there, farmers. there might be some disruption, but just hang in there. american farmers survive on the thinnest of margins. how much do prices rely on these foreign markets? china, canada and mexico buying

u.s. farm goods? >> well, and thank you for that question. mexico is probably the number one, uh, purchaser of u.s. grown corn. uh, china, uh, the number one purchaser of u.s. grown soybeans. and when you put a cloud of smoke there, uncertainty over those markets, uh, and the u.s. trade representatives come out and provide new markets for america's farmers. so we're the first in line to take the blow and the last in line to take the blow will be the american people when they walk into supermarkets and face these high food cost prices. and then on on the lower end, the farmers, the farmers don't have a real market. so we get the lower end of this thing. and that's what happened the last time. so we need the president. if the president is listening to this show, i want to sit down and talk to you so i can tell you exactly what we need right now at this critical time in planning season for america's farmers.

>> you have the tariffs and also these usaid cuts. how has that impacted you? >> you will stay. uh, deep cuts. uh, all the employees are lost their job. uh, we took billions of pounds of american grown commodities out of circulation, many was already bought and purchased, now being stockpiled at these buying elevators around the country. uh, people, we have a national catastrophe. and really, really, this is a state of emergency for america's farmers right now. uh, you put in all of this chaos, and that's what this is. the president came right into office and caused a whole lot of chaos. uh, for the first people in line, the most important people, america's farmers. and he campaigned on making sure that farmers will be put first. and and he he won. probably. i'm going to say this, 99%, especially in white america. and white farmers voted for this president. and here he is making us pay the piper here at the

beginning of planting season. so these are some real issues facing america's farm. and we need the american people to step up and support us right now at this critical time. they are foundations that should be supporting them. the companies and corporations should be supporting us right now at this critical time. the president come in and put all these sweeping changes in, and we need americans to act in the same manner in a sweeping opportunity to to help america's farmers stay on the farm. we should not be losing farmers in this country. >> john boyd junior, thank you for coming on and sharing what you're going through and keep us posted. you said you're having trouble getting government loans that that are owed to you. so so keep us posted on what's happening on that front. thank you so much and best of luck to you. >> thank you so much for having. >> me. well. >> the stakes for american farmers are enormous right now. in the next hour, we'll speak with former agriculture secretary dan glickman as well. he's got very strong views on all of this, also coming up with tens of thousands of jobs potentially on the chopping

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