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tariffs for mexico, but not canada. washington, wall street and main street have a lot riding on this. everybody is extremely confused. maybe jeff zeleny is not one of those people. jeff, you're standing outside the white house. you're on the north lawn. can you give us any sense of what all this means? >> well, dana. if there's any question of why the market. >> has been. >> so confused. >> and rattled in recent. >> days, i think the events of the last really hour. sum it up quite perfectly, and certainly of the last month. the president often threatens tariffs. this time he went through with tariffs. and now we are learning that he is pulling back those tariffs. let's start with mexico. president trump this morning had a call with mexican president claudia sheinbaum. he reported out a little bit of what they said. and in that he said he is lifting the mexico tariffs for at least a month. let's take a look at his rationale as he explained it on social media. he said i did this

as an accommodation and out of respect for president sheinbaum, our relationship has been a very good one and we are working hard together. he goes on to say to stop undermining undocumented immigrants and fentanyl. then he also is using this to contrast his conversation yesterday with canadian prime minister justin trudeau. so he has not yet said that he is going to lift the the tariffs on canada. but that is coming. and we learned that today from commerce secretary howard lutnick. >> my expectation is the president will. >> come to. >> the agreement today and hopefully we will announce this today that usmca compliant goods will not have a tariff for the next month until april 2nd. hopefully, mexico and canada will have done a good enough job on. fentanyl that this part of the conversation will be off the table, and we'll move just to the reciprocal tariff conversation.

>> so look, yesterday, president trump in the white house was saying that canada had not done enough on fentanyl. today, the commerce secretary says canada has done enough. that underscores one reality that fentanyl is not the. it may be the stated reason, but it is not the actual reason that the tariffs have been put in place because very little fentanyl comes from canada, from mexico. however, it does. so, dana, the bottom line to all of this is we have seen the president. he's a believer in tariffs. there is no doubt about it. but when he starts hearing the pushback and seeing the pushback in the markets, he reacts and changes his mind. we're told he will be speaking on this later. this. is still going into effect on april 2nd. but i think now every time we talk about the threat of tariffs, we have to keep in mind sometimes he gives them and sometimes he takes them away. dana. >> or maybe he won't take them away. we still are not clear beyond what he posted about

mexico, what that means for canada and beyond. jeff, thank you so much. the uncertainty is not confined to pennsylvania avenue. business leaders from wall street to main street are definitely feeling it too. i want to go right now to matt egan, who has been talking to those business owners. and matt, it is not a coincidence that howard lutnick went on a business network to say these are perhaps not going to happen now, a business network that everybody who is on wall street watches. it seems to me that what he was trying to do was to correct help, correct the markets, which are totally confused and worried. and we all know that confusion is not a place that the market wants to be. and we also know that the markets are an indicator of an economy that president trump has historically been very, very keen to watch. >> yeah. that's right dana,

look, business owners, ceos, investors, they crave stability. but what we're getting right now is a whole lot of uncertainty. and frankly, chaos. right. it feels like each week or maybe even each hour, there's new tariffs that are threatened. right. some of them kick in, some of them are pulled back at the last moment after a very good phone call between president trump and a world leader. others are still looming. look at this tariff. timeline. this is just tariffs related to mexico, canada and china. and just since late november, there's been so many major moves. this doesn't even account for the tariffs that have been threatened on steel or aluminum or copper or the reciprocal tariffs or the tariffs on nations that threaten the u.s. dollar. i mean, we literally could not fit all of the major tariff actions on one full screen. and look, if you're a ceo, if you're a business owner, this is not what you want to see, right? they famously hate uncertainty, but it's hard

to imagine a more uncertain environment than this because think about it, a lot of them are trying to figure out the cost of their goods, but they don't know what the cost of their goods is going to be because they don't know where tariffs are going to be. so they don't know if they should be raising prices or lowering them. should they be firing workers or hiring them? should they be investing more or less? there's actually an uncertainty index when it comes to trade policy, and it is through the roof. it has skyrocketed to all time highs, surpassing anything that we've seen going back to 1960, including even higher than during president trump's first term. and that makes sense, because what he's doing is just so much more aggressive in terms of size and scope than during his first term. i talked to a business owner in california who owns a pet supply store, and he said, look, he's not a fan of the tariffs, but it's the uncertainty that's even worse, he said. it's just very stressful right now because he's trying to follow it all, but he just can't keep up. and i would just note that from the

white house perspective, i do think an element of this trade volatility is probably a feature. it's not a bug, right. the president has used tariffs as a way to gain leverage over other nations. and so by keeping everyone guessing, it enables the president to put even more pressure. but look dana, we are seeing this show up in the real economy. and it is really starting to pressure things. >> yeah. and as you were talking, we just got an update on where the dow is. matt down 500 points. and so this is clearly what howard lutnick was trying to arrest that that drop. thank you so much for that. and we should also note that we're going to be talking tomorrow no doubt, because tomorrow the jobs report will come out. and we already got an early indicator that it is not likely to be very good. i do now want to talk to some other terrific reporters that we have assembled today. peter hamby of puck, jeff mason

of reuters, mariana sotomayor of the washington post, thank you all for being here. jeff mason, i want to start with you. you have covered the white house for for a few years on all kinds of policy, especially, and including economic policy. and you were covering it during the first trump go round. so i think what matt said about this being part of the strategy, not a bug, but but this is kind of the way that the president likes to put his his tariff policy out. there is true. but because there is so much and it's already on top of a crisis of affordability in the united states, this feels different right now. >> yeah, i think that's a great point. and i would piggyback on to something that matt said that in addition to the volatility in the markets, which average americans will note in their 401

s and investment accounts, but it goes a lot further than that for businesses, as matt was saying, to plan for your goods, to plan for what products need to be purchased for, what supplies need to be purchased for where you want to keep your factory for, where you want to have your headquarters. all of those things factor into business decisions that are affected by this, this volatility. and and the volatility is so massive because the president keeps changing, changing his mind back and forth. i suggest i suspect rather that that's one of the reasons that the dow is going down again today. i mean, in large partially, you would think that it would go up because he's giving another reprieve and all of the other reprieves that he's granted have been positive in the markets. this one isn't being seen that way. and i suspect if he spoke to analysts or traders that it was it's the erratic nature of his decision making that is affecting that. >> mhm. yeah. and peter hamby,

the erratic nature of donald trump's decision making process is his calling card. but on this issue it is something that is definitely like in the short term hurting. i mean there's no way around it. if you look at the dow again, it's not only down today, it is down. since he was elected to the white house, elected on a promise to make the economy better. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and. >> you know. >> sometimes if you. >> look under the hood in polling. >> data. >> you get these leading indicators. >> of general, you know. >> approval, disapproval. >> um. >> only 31% of americans. >> in a. >> reuters poll that came out just a couple days ago, think that trump is doing enough to handle the cost of living, or approve of his handling of the cost of living. by the way, only 62% of republicans approve of how he's handling the cost of living in that poll. that's not a good number among republicans. um, his numbers are down from even just a couple of weeks ago. on his handling of the economy.

i wrote a piece the other day about young voters. remember, he won young men for the first time in two decades in the 2024 election. and i'm citing john della volpe involving the social sphere. but he, he found that, uh, his support on the economy has dropped 14 points in just between january and february among young men. at the same time, i have noted this interesting dynamic going on his job approval rating. trump's is ticking down by a couple of points. his personal favorability rating has actually kind of gone up a little bit since the inauguration. and so i think that what that means is a lot of voters out there might still be giving him not a lot, might still be giving him some goodwill. uh, maybe that things will get better. but in time, once you drill down on specific questions, ukraine, economy, tariffs or whatever, um, not doing so well. and as jeff mentioned, uh, you know, i think only 60% of americans actually own stocks. most people are going to start to feel this at target, at walmart, at best buy,

at chipotle, you know, at the gas station, perhaps at the grocery store. and they're currently feeling it. and consumer confidence. yes. uh, has gone down for the first time since last year. >> yes. and that's an important point. wall street is not main street, but they are very much connected, particularly when it comes to what appears to be the reason for this drop, which is the very chaotic and confused decision making process inside the white house, it seems, by the president himself when it comes to these tariffs, which are as close to his heart as any policy is. and mariana on that, i feel like as peter was talking, i feel like we're in that moment that in a few days or maybe even when we see the the books written about the first 100 days, whatever is happening right now inside the white house and the scramble that i am sure is going on as we speak is going to be quite dramatic. >> absolutely. and, you know,

i'm personally curious, covering congress are members of congress, republicans in particular, calling the white house? have they been calling the white house? even earlier this week, once those tariffs really went in place and saying, hey, this is not good for the long term, i've privately heard from a number of house republicans who are really hoping that the tariffs would only last about a week because they knew if they continued any longer, especially a month, that would be devastating for their communities. republicans, of course, thinking not just of their constituents, small business owners, how it's going to affect auto workers. etc., but there's also a little political consequence for them. midterms are coming up next year, still far away, but it's still very front of mind on capitol hill about this back and forth decision making by trump and them not necessarily being in the loop and being able to advise on all of these decisions. >> yeah. i think as you started that, you talked about whether members of congress are calling the white house. the answer to

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decide this week to take the first steps to eliminate the department, but the white house press secretary just revealed the president is not signing an executive order today. and of course, you can't eliminate an agency. you're not supposed to anyway, without the approval of congress. so what does this mean for the students in your life? cnn's tom foreman is digging into it. so, tom, let's start with the basics. what exactly does the department of education do? because it's not exactly what some people might assume. >> it is not at all. >> what many people assume. >> dana, it. >> administers federal funding. >> to. >> k through 12 schools. important to note that is about 8% of all that funding, all the funding you're getting in your state. most of it is state and local. only about 8% is from federal. and that's not all from the department of education. that includes other federal departments. that's the total amount. it also manages federal student loan program. people going off to college, that sort of thing. it oversees federal financial aid programs. it is

also involved in investigating discrimination complaints. and it conducts research on nationwide reading and math skills. you may recall seeing the national report card every now and then. that explains how kids are doing here, whether they're doing well or not. what it doesn't do is also important. it doesn't set k through 12 curriculum. it doesn't tell schools what to teach. it does not certify teachers, and it does not establish graduation requirements. so if you have complaints about this anywhere you are, that is going to rest largely in your local community and your state, not at the federal government. through all of this, if you want to look at the actual money involved, the k through 12 money, most of it 28 billion goes to title one to help low income students and to the idea program to help students with disabilities. dana. >> and, you know, we have probably both been around long enough to know that republicans, i guess maybe since newt gingrich, they have been saying the department of education must be dismantled. so this part of

the trump agenda maybe isn't that much of a of a surprise. but in addition to laying out, as you did so well, what the doe does and does not do, one of the questions is about the money that it has. so what is our understanding of what happens if he is successful in dismantling the department of education? what would happen to that federal funding? >> that's a tricky part. you're exactly right. ever since jimmy carter created this in 1979, and there were earlier iterations of it as well, republicans have said they want to get rid of it. this number right here, the congressional budget office took a look at this, and they said, if you want to go after that money, you have to attack those programs, which means you're going to have to take money from the students of working class families all across this country. that's the only way you get at that money. getting rid of the department. the cbo said, doesn't really do much to to reduce the spending.

>> mm. really interesting, really important point. tom, thank you so much for that. my panel is back. and mariana, i want to start with you and just look more broadly at what the president has already done with his pen, his executive actions with regard to federal education, teaching that there are only two sexes banning transgender women in sports, promoting, quote, patriotic education. not really sure what that is. banning die and woke curricula, eliminating covid vaccine mandates. so those are the kinds of things that an executive branch can do, or this president is trying to test whether he can do with or without the department of education. >> yeah, a lot of those also fall into the culture war category. things that trump and also other republicans when they were campaigning, promised that, you know, he would he would do that. they stand behind the question about executive orders and kind of taking away the

power from congress is something that, you know, we're all kind of exploring. but it's been interesting to see that so far. congressional republicans, for the most part, aren't necessarily stopping trump from dismantling different agencies. we've recently heard from senators. yeah, exactly. senator susan collins, the only one who's really been pointing out today on the hill that trump can't just dismantle the education department. congress needs to do that. and the thing that republicans need to worry about is democrats are already messaging hard against them on the prospects of this, saying, you know what? why isn't speaker mike johnson, who is a constitutional lawyer, not speaking out about the constitutionality of this and kind of daring republicans? jeffries said earlier today. listen, if you want to bring legislation to dismantle the education department, bring it on. we'll point out all of the different consequences that could come from that. >> and peter hamby, you have been doing some focus groups

with swing voters on the broader beyond the department of education, the broader doge cuts. and i want to read a little bit of what you found, which you published. polls, for instance, don't tell you that musk is a weird nerd, which is how adam, a trump voting hockey fan from macomb county, described the billionaire last week, or that he's a, quote, complete tool, as michael from milwaukee put it, or scary as tyisha from toledo or selfish. deandre, also from milwaukee. and just looking to enrich himself. perhaps eric, a real estate appraiser from pittsburgh, put it most poignantly, extremely radical. scary. i just shudder that trump has given him carte blanche. peter. >> yeah, these were focus groups conducted in macomb county, right outside of detroit. you know, your typical sort of reagan democrats by a joe biden kamala harris super pac, unite

the country. but these were swing voters. these were biden to trump voters specifically. and as i mentioned in the earlier segment, even if people had economic concerns, the cost of living, they were still giving donald trump a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. there were some exceptions, including on tariffs, but elon musk and this has shown up in lots of polling beyond focus groups, was just sort of like, as you mentioned, dismissed as kind of a odd guy out to enrich himself. the unelected billionaire messaging that democrats have been pushing felt like it was cutting through to these voters. at the same time, you know, and i think democrats are grappling with this right now. do democrats want to be standing in the way of defending like the irs and the federal bureaucracy? you know, they have to pick their battles? i think education is a good one for them to to sort of, you know, die on the hill. but, um, elon musk as an avatar of doge in these focus groups, came off as, as pretty

unpopular. um, but the idea of cutting government spending and reducing the size of the federal government was more popular. and again, that shows up in polls. so it depends how these cuts are messaged. and one more note i'll add on on the education department. you know, where i am in california, there are 5.8 million public school students. that's more than the total population of most states minnesota, kentucky, alabama, whatever. and so, as with a lot of these government cuts and these these bureaucratic stories, there's not a lot of pictures attached to them. they're hard to explain. if we start to see some long tail outcomes where students and parents are affected and see those pictures and those clips on television and social media, that could be impactful. remember, school boards became a battlefield over the last 4 or 5 years. critical race theory, whatever the fight was. and that was really resonant, especially in places like virginia where there's an election this year. >> and real quick, jeff, what are you hearing from your sources at the white house about

the sort of pressure at all, if there is any, on elon musk to use more of a scalpel than a than a hatchet. >> you know, reuters reported, i think last week that there was a little bit of tension in the white house with elon musk about what he's doing. mostly, though, because he hadn't been coordinating. i haven't heard that there's a concern that he's doing too much. and certainly the very robust support that he's received from the president of the united states, when asked about this, would suggest and underline that. >> okay. thank you to you all. don't go far, though, because coming up doge doing the math. i'm going to talk to a member of the house republican leadership about her meeting with elon musk and how the unelected government cost cutter is explaining to them potentially billion dollars in

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reports. the doge receipts website has deleted hundreds of claims, wiping out $4 billion in alleged savings. joining me now is the house republican conference chair, congresswoman lisa mclean of michigan. thank you so much for being here. i do want to talk about those cuts in a second, but i do want to start with the news of the day. president trump announced that mexico would be exempt from the tariffs, that he announced. that will happen, or at least they'll be exempt until april 2nd. there's been so much confusion about this, congresswoman. he announced the tariffs. he walked some back. he lifted these. and we're seeing in real time that the markets are not responding well to this chaos. what do you say to your constituents on main street who are confused and worried? both the people and the business owners? >> well. >> thank you so much for having me. i appreciate. >> being on. >> your show and i've been in contact with my constituents. obviously, you know, i'm from

macomb county. we michigan is a heavily manufacturing state. they are optimistic more than more than anything. >> we ran. >> on and president trump ran. >> on reducing. >> the size of government. >> he ran on an unconventional method. >> to get this. >> country back on track. and i don't know that i agree with the premise 100%. i think a lot of the people and i are giving him some grace. yes, he is moving at the speed of light, there is no question. but the goal is to actually reduce the size of government so that government works better with tariffs. >> so i want to get to the government in a second. >> yeah, yeah. >> and i want to get to the to to the doge situation in a second. but but the tariffs i mean you mentioned macomb county i was just talking to peter hamby about a focus group that he did. i mean, it's probably the most famous political county in the country. i don't need to tell you. and there and there are concerns broadly, but

specifically, i mean, i don't know if you can see, but on the side of the screen as we're talking, it shows the dow just today is down more than 500 points. yeah. that shows. >> tomorrow it might be up 500. >> very uncertain. >> yeah. and tomorrow. >> they understand it's the uncertainty. >> well and and as you know the dow could be up tomorrow 500 points. so we have to take a look at the stock market in a period of time. you can look at any one day and be like oh, my gosh the uncertainty is great because it's up 500 points. so i think there's a difference between taking a look at short term. i think it's the difference between taking a look at short term and long term, and i will share this. it is going to take some unconventional methods to get us out of the mess that we've been in the past four years with the ev mandates, with unfair trades, and this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. and again,

i've done meetings with people in my community, with autoworkers in my communities, and they are absolutely giving the president and republicans grace and are actually applauding us because we are actually trying to do exactly what we campaigned on, which is different than the last administration, which is trying to bring more investments back into the united states, which is exactly what's happening in the city of detroit and the state of michigan, with the with the investments that apple's just making. so as much as we want to focus on and all the fear mongering of all the negative, we also need to tell the other side of the story, which is all the positive investment that is coming into great states like mine in michigan. so i think it's going to take some unconventional wisdom to get us out of this mess that we've been in. remember, we have to have free trade agreements, but we also have to have fair trade agreements. and that's exactly

what we're trying to do in the president's trying to do. and i would argue accomplishing. right. so as you said, with the uncertainty. it's a negotiation tool. we are using tariffs and any other tool that we have in our bag to make sure that america is respected again and that we get back to fair trade agreements, that. incentivize business and manufacturing in america. and tariffs are only one tool in the bag to do that. >> i do want to quickly ask about some of the cuts. i know you met you and other republicans in the house, met with elon musk yesterday, and he admitted that he has made some mistakes. have you said to him, asked him or others point blank, can you be a little bit more aware of the human cost here? i mean, you have a significant number of federal workers in your district, and you're nowhere near washington, d.c.

>> yeah, well, that was one of the topics of conversation last night. and what i can say is i am impressed and proud with the level of transparency that doge and the republicans and president trump is doing. we're not hiding anything. and you know what? i don't think the americans want perfection. i do think they expect progress and transparency. so we actually had those conversations last night, right? because we want to make sure if we are limiting the size and reducing the the size of the bloated bureaucracy that we are doing that in an effective manner. right? we don't want to touch. >> it's pretty. messy. are the. >> with that. >> we don't want to touch the doctors and nurses. we want to make sure that we reduce the size and scope of, of of government. you know what democracy is messy. and i wish it was perfect. unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect

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newman are here. and join me now. hello. such a good show. this is going to be a challenge to ask you questions without spoiler alerts, but but i'll try it. it's so good. michael. our audience knows you as the new york times writer, pulitzer prize winning journalist. but i know that part of what excited about excited you about doing a fictional project is you can use a lot of what you learn in journalism, but not have to stick to the facts. >> yeah. >> i mean. >> you kind of. realize once you get outside of being. >> a print journalist. >> the ways. that scripted. >> television allows you to tell these stories that that are hard to tell in a newspaper article. in this case, we're able to show you what a catastrophic cyber attack on the country would. >> look. >> like. and perhaps even more importantly, how the country would respond. >> to it. >> and something that we often talked about is that if something like nine over 11 happened today, would the country have a uniformed response. >> the way that. >> it did at that time, or would it be instantaneously divided?

and this show allowed. >> us to do that. >> to show. >> you. >> what that. >> potentially could. >> look like. and this is, i don't think, a spoiler. the country is not united. >> no. >> after this particular attack in your fictional series and no, you've straddled news and entertainment for a while, but this is a baby. i know that you two figured out on the on the golf course. >> one of the first conversations we had about. >> it was playing golf, in my case, very poorly. >> and then, you. >> know. >> i've known eric for a long time. eric has. >> created some of the greatest. >> series of the last 20 years, narcos, for instance. and we were talking about what are the scariest dynamics. >> that we see. >> unfolding in the world today. and at the top of all of our list was this fractured relationship we all have with the truth, the fact. >> that people. >> can now retreat into their filter bubble, live in their own curated reality, consume only those news sources that make them feel good, or that reinforce their preexisting biases. and when you have when you live in a world like that, it becomes impossible to confront any other challenge,

whether it be a terror attack like nine over 11 or a cyber attack, because we can't seem to all agree on what's real. so how do you deal with anything else? >> and there was a moment in episode one where robert de niro, former president mullen, tries to like, quite literally confront that the misinformation being spread on the streets of new york. watch this. >> you don't trust the government. >> i get that. >> it hasn't always. >> come through for everybody. but this isn't about the government or the 1% or whatever the hell you want to call them. it's about somebody out there that hates us that stands against everything that. >> we. >> stand for, everything that makes us who we are. and they found a way to hurt us. it's that simple. and right now, these people need to get back to work and get those people out. and you need to let them. you want to stand by and offer your support and your prayers. that's great. but please just do it from behind the barricade.

>> eric. >> it was one of those moments that fairly early. >> in the shoot, you know, we we we got this footage back and it and it didn't work. we would have been in real trouble because it's kind of the inciting incident of, you know, outside of the cyber attack. it's sort of the thing that america says, oh, wait, this guy we still like we still trust. and, you know, he's he's recruited by the president largely because of the reaction that this crowd has when we shot it. it was picked up as a story briefly, that he was actually having an argument with some protesters, robert de niro, that it was real. and it was it was one of these like, you know, many we had a number of these sort of weird meta moments because as we, you know, noah and i wrote this in 2002, obviously, mike, noah and i were talking about this in late 2001, and a lot of the things that have come to pass hadn't happened. and so we were

watching these, watching the, the, the country change and people react to things like bob arguing with protesters on our set, all of a sudden becomes, you know, a story. so it was it was kind of very on theme, as has the reaction to the show has been sort of on theme. >> and the other theme, beyond just the information silos that we're all in, is civil liberties. and after a huge attack that happens, how much government is willing to or should take over american civil liberties in the name of national security? >> it's one of these issues that in the trump era, i think has been lost. >> post 911. >> the issue of civil liberties. >> was like at. >> the forefront. it was often discussed. there were congressional hearings. >> about it. >> it was an. issue embraced, you know, by the left and the right about questions about how far the patriot act went and such. that question has been lost. >> in the in the moments. >> of trump in the past.

>> you know, however many. >> years trump has gone on now. and because of that, this was an opportunity to say, hey. this is a fundamental american question. this is a question that cuts to the heart of the rights that we all take so seriously. and it was a way to raise it again, to say, what would all powerful government look like in the fractured world that we're in today? and that's what i think we were trying to show. >> i think one of the issues that's not that it hasn't that has reemerged, is this question of the extent to which just norms and people's self-restraint has has been what has, you know, prevented the government from crossing certain lines. and it turns out there are no hard walls, necessarily. and i don't think, you know, many people realize the extent to which there were just soft boundaries to to some of those things. >> well, michael, noah, eric, i thank you for being here. and i encourage people you've got to go to the end because you're going to be surprised. no spoilers. >> thank you. thank you very much and coming up, we will tell

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