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the president postponing punishing tariffs against mexico just two days after they began. but how does this back and forth impact the economy? and your wallet. plus. what are his plans for canada? dismantling aid department? the white house may. >> soon be ready to put a. >> plan into. >> action to shut down the department of education. lawmakers say if president trump wants to eliminate it, he'll have to go through congress and a. path forward. ukraine's president meeting with his european allies to discuss the war against russia as europe's faith in america begins to fade. we're following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central. >> president donald trump today announcing he will delay tariffs. >> on.

>> mexican goods covered under the usmca trade agreement for at least one month. when it comes to canada, we're told that. >> negotiations are. >> still ongoing. remember, trump delayed 25% auto tariffs. >> for a month. >> yesterday following pressure from america's. >> big. >> three automakers, as well as a massive dip in markets and pressure from members. >> of his own party. >> meantime, new. >> data shows the president's. >> sharp cuts in the federal workforce are sending u.s. job losses to recession level numbers. let's take you now to the white house live with cnn's jeff zeleny. jeff. >> what can you tell. >> us about how this. decision to delay tariffs on mexico came about? >> well, boris, there's no question the whiplash here at the white house over trade is being felt on wall street. and that is the underlying really argument to much of what we are seeing here today. we know the president watches the financial markets very carefully and really doing a dramatic about face here. when it comes to mexico. and perhaps later this afternoon. there are many indications he will also lift the the tariffs on a on a

candidate. but the mexico ones. let's start there. he was having a phone conversation with mexican president claudia sheinbaum this morning. and the president said it. it went very well. he said mexico has been a cooperating and they've been putting more troops on the border. but when you look at the amount of fentanyl, that is the underlying principle to the underlying reason for these, these these new tariffs, the countries are far apart. the president often talks about them in a similar way. but look at this. 96.6% of the fentanyl in 2024 came from mexico. only 0.2% came from canada. yet the president is still being very strong in his language against the canadian prime minister, and he has not yet signaled that he is going to lift those tariffs. but we are told by commerce secretary howard lutnick, he teased earlier this morning, trying to calm the markets, saying that the president is

likely to lift the tariffs for both countries. so of course, this comes after yesterday just lifting the the tariffs on the big three automakers. so taken together here, this has been somewhat confusing. even trying to follow this trade policy. it's basically like a seesaw effect. in the words of one republican lobbyist i was speaking with this morning who's been talking to the white house, but clearly the market has been responding to this, and the dollar has been weakened by this. but look for the president, perhaps in the next hour or two, explain this more fulsomely. but for now, at least for one month, at least. once again, the president is lifting those tariffs on mexico for sure. and it looks like also on canada. but we will have to see on that, boris. >> yeah, we'll be waiting and watching jeff zeleny live for us at the white house. thank you so much, brianna. >> this trade. >> roller coaster rattling businesses, manufacturers. and investors who are all grappling with chaos and uncertainty. we have a live look right now at wall street, and it is reacting

sadly. there down five. dow down 500 points. you see the nasdaq responding not so well also. let's bring in cnn chief data analyst harry enten. uh, i feel like it's up and down with the indices here, harry, but we're getting a clearer picture of the impacts here. just how much is this going to cost? just people in their everyday lives. >> yeah. up, down, all around. i can feel my 401 k waving up. abi. look, i think you can get a pretty good idea. of course, there's so much uncertainty here we don't actually know which tariffs will go into effect, how long they'll last, et cetera. but according to a study out of yale, the annual tariff costs per household. look at this 1600 to $2000. that is a lot of money. given that given the median household income where it is, we're talking about 2% of folks budgets, at least that is what we are talking about here. and when you're struggling to put food on the table, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, the idea that you're going to take out 1600

to $2000 per year, that's a lot of chunk of change. >> yeah, it certainly is. so what types of products are we talking about that are going to be impacted? and by how much here. >> yeah. what types of products are we talking about? i mean look we're talking about a slew of different products that can be impacted. what are we talking about? we're talking about computers. the prices of those up 11%. how about natural gas. right. heating your home up 5%. what about something as simple as white rice up 4%. so it's hitting all different parts of the budget, whether it's electronics, whether it's trying to heat your home, whether it's actually putting food on the table. that is why these tariffs could be so disastrous for the american people. it is because it is costing them in every single part of their lives. at least these estimates suggest that they will. >> i prefer the brown rice, actually i don't, i just try to be healthy. but my kids really like the white rice. >> it's not that. >> good tasting. it's not that good tasting. white rice just tastes so much better, even if it's not quite as good for you. >> it's pretty yummy. not quite yet, but my kids love it and

i'm sure a lot of kids love it. so okay, talk to us about just the uncertainty because like, like i mentioned, it's this whiplash as we're checking out the markets, you know, is there are the tariffs happening? are they not. talk about that. >> yeah. yeah i mean look you know it feels like i want to go out to coney island right. or maybe go to six flags and join up with everybody else and go on the roller coaster ride. and what are we talking about here? we're talking about uncertainty. and uncertainty is terrible. and there's a great way to sort of measure the uncertainty. and that is the trade policy uncertainty index. not much of a surprise. it has reached an all time high dating all the way back since they started keeping records back in 1960. get this up 651% versus a year ago. folks can't plan. that is a big part of the market. you know, the markets are trying to figure out what's going on. they don't know what's going on. that leads to the roller coaster rides that we're living in right now. and of course, remember, so many folks own stock. so it's hurting hurting their 401 k's as well. >> so how do americans feel

about this? is it popular? >> no, no, it's not popular. americans views on new tariffs will raise prices. we know that they will up 69%. we're talking 69%. not not a nice number there. how about oppose them on canada tariffs. we're talking two thirds of the american public. they don't like them. the markets don't like them. maybe the only one who likes them is donald trump. although even he is wavering on it. >> all right, harry, thank you so much as always. so while we're waiting to see if the president will give canada the same pause, he granted mexico the damage already being done. moments ago, prime minister justin trudeau said all retaliatory measures against the u.s. would stay in place, even if trump pauses tariffs. and here's how some canadian businesses are pushing back with signs like these encouraging shoppers to buy canadian made products. some liquor stores have removed american distilled alcohol from their shelves. manitoba lawmakers passing an order pulling u.s. liquor from all its stores, giving

businesses their tax incentives. and in alberta, the premier told cnn they're turning to other trading partners who are honoring their trade deals. with us now is anthony housefather, a canadian member of parliament. sir, thank you so much for being with us. how are you seeing this development? and if there is ultimately a chance for an off ramp, do you see it as an execution merely postponed, or a sign that actually there is something of a lasting ability to avoid these tariffs? >> yeah, i think, brianna, like most canadians. >> i've been shocked. i have a lot of family that lives in the united states, a lot of friends there. i was the general counsel of a u.s. based multinational. so i've worked in the united states an awful lot. and i think. >> we always. >> thought the united states was a stable partner and ally. our best friend. and then we've sort of seen that just one person can change that dynamic. and the bipartisan consensus we've had, whether whoever

occupies the white house or whoever controls congress is gone. and i think canadians have sort of said, well, now we need to rely on ourselves. we can't have 70% of our exports going to the united states and importing 64% of our goods from the united states. we need to get rid of interprovincial trade barriers. we need to start trading with the rest of the world. and and it's just very sad for us. and i very much hope the president will reconsider this because again, we are we are his best friend and ally. and and canadians love americans. we love the united states. and we don't want to be at war. even a trade war with the united states. >> do you think it's whoever occupies the white house, or do you think it's if trump occupies the white house? and i mean this because we're hearing from every, every, uh, member of parliament we have on every official we have joining us from canada, talks about canada being more self-sustaining, not relying on the u.s. so much. do you worry that even once you

know, the trump term is over and i understand you have four more years for sure. you worry that this lasts beyond that. >> i think it's very much unique at this point to president trump. i still think that the vast majority of members of congress, left to their own devices, would not support this type of inaction. i don't think that this is an action that is supported by the business community in the united states, or by labor in the united states. i mean, i think they realize that integrating our economies was the best possible thing for both countries. i mean, remember, brianna, the united states has tried these type of tariffs in 1890 and then again at the beginning of the great depression in 1930. and neither time did it work well for the united states. and they were repealed a couple of years later. um, this is going to make everything more expensive for american consumers and for canadian consumers. it will cost us both jobs. this is not something like we're not china, right? we're not taking low cost manufacturing jobs out of the united states to come to

canada. we have the same challenges that the united states does with china. um, and if the united states came to us and said, we want to integrate our economies more, but you need to help us impose the same tariffs on china as we do to stop them dumping steel and aluminum into our countries. i think we would all look at this very differently if it was a spirit of cooperation versus imposing tariffs on us, and the excuse that, brianna, you mentioned before, the fentanyl, um, between 2022 and 2024, there were over 60,000 pounds of fentanyl seized at the mexican border. there were 54 pounds from canada in january. it was 0.5oz of fentanyl. i mean, this is not serious. so we're really worried because the president keeps talking about us becoming the 51st state and he, you know, continues to demean canada. it not only makes us angry and sad, it's also deeply concerning that this practice is continuing. >> yeah. and certainly the fentanyl thing. to your point, those numbers check out it's

it's a really minuscule amount compared to the southern border. very minuscule. anthony housefather, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> boris. >> back in the united states, president trump could soon give the new education secretary a big assignment. dismantle your own department. officials at the white house say that they've prepped an executive order, directing secretary linda mcmahon to begin that process. but by law. congress should have. >> the. >> final say on totally eliminating the department. let's get some perspective now from former education secretary arne duncan. he's currently the managing director of emerson collective. sir, thank you so much for being with us. this this draft executive order directs mcmahon to facilitate the closure of the education department while operating to the maximum extent appropriate and permitted by law. what does that mean? how would that work? what would be left in place there's a lot of. >> gobbledygook there. um, as

you said very accurately. >> to. >> close the department of education, it would take. 60 votes in the senate. that is never going to happen. and so it's sort of a bunch of rhetoric. it's gaslighting. um, they are not going to close the department of education. they could dismantle it. they could do harm. they could do damage. they had an executive order ready to go today. they walked that back because it's so unpopular, just like he walked. >> back the tariffs today. >> two thirds of americans don't want the department of education to close. so i'm not quite sure what his next move is. he's a he's a master of chaos. >> public schools only receive about 14% of their budgets from the federal government. i wonder how they would be impacted and what it would mean for students if education were handled entirely at the state and local level. >> yeah. well, so. >> let's just let's parse. >> that a little bit. >> um, if his goal is to move education back to the states, i can just say congratulations, president trump, president musk,

mission accomplished. because it's already there. it's been there. it's actually about 90% of the funding generally comes at the state and local level. only about 10%. and money for the federal level comes to help our nation's most vulnerable children. children who need access to pre-k, rural children, children who live below the poverty line, children with special needs, young people trying to go to college who don't come from wealthy families and need pell grants to do that. and so with trump, you always sort of follow the money if you simply moving functions of the department to other agencies, to hhs, to labor, to treasury, that would be a bureaucratic nightmare. but it doesn't directly impact the student. if he starts to take money away from our nation's most vulnerable children. um, then we're in a very, very different situation. >> what do you think the goal is with this effort to try to remove the department of education altogether? >> yeah. well, again, they can't do that. so trump likes

to do sort of easy dumb things. frankly, he doesn't do hard meaningful things. and this is just sort of gaslighting trying to send a signal to his base that, you know, education is going. quote unquote, back to the states. as i said earlier, it's been in the states forever, and 90% of funding comes at the state and local level. there's about 10% comes at the federal level to help our nation's most vulnerable children. and i would be stunned if he touches that, because we know children with special needs, 7.5 million across the country. some some of their parents happen to vote or some happen to vote. d he would hurt a whole lot of people or a whole lot of his base. if he starts to hurt our nation's most vulnerable children. i don't think he's stupid enough to do that. >> more broadly speaking, i wonder what you make of secretary mcmahon. are you there, secretary? okay, great. that got fixed. uh, secretary mcmahon says that the agency has received $1 trillion over the last few years, but that student outcomes have languished. and we

have seen students falling behind in math and reading levels for years. what can be done to effectively correct those trends? it looks like we've lost audio. former education secretary arne duncan. we do appreciate the time we hope to have him on again soon. still to come, the cdc is now the latest federal agency scrambling to rehire fired workers as republican lawmakers tell elon musk they want more oversight, more involvement with doge, plus european leaders holding an emergency summit with president volodymyr zelenskyy to discuss the security of ukraine and the continent as a whole. after raising doubts about american loyalty. >> and later charges have been filed. more than a year after three chiefs fans were found dead outside a kansas city home after they watched a game together. >> in the. >> united states of scandal with

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distancing himself from some of these mass firings. a republican congressman telling cnn that during a meeting last night, musk told house republicans those decisions were made by federal department heads with no doge involvement. joining us to discuss is republican congressman brandon gill of texas. he's a member of the doge oversight committee and was at that meeting with elon musk. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. i understand that at that meeting, musk explained some of the specific methodology that doge is using to go about making cuts, and that he did get some pushback from some of your colleagues who want congress to be more involved in the process. do you think there needs to be more oversight and a clear, specific outlining of his methodology to americans, to taxpayers? >> well, first. >> of all. >> thank you for. >> having on. >> having me on the show. >> really appreciate it. you know, i. >> think that there's been a little bit of misinformation about elon musk's involvement

with congress. there's been this idea that elon musk is is going rogue and has no interaction with congress and, and very little communication. nothing could be further from the truth. last night i met, along with the doge subcommittee, which i sit on with elon musk. we discussed how we could work together. we discussed plans going forward, how we could best interact and push the ball forward to slash waste, fraud and abuse from the federal government. right after that, elon musk met with the entire republican delegation. he told us about some of the things he was working on, and then he took an open mic q&a from anybody in congress on the republican side, who was there, who wanted to ask him whatever they wanted. and with several people, he gave them an answer. and then he stayed back later and had offline conversations. he's been giving his phone number out to to senators. he's been in direct communication with the committee that i sit on. so elon musk has been

working very closely with us. this has nothing to do with him or anybody else going rogue. he's doing what the president as an employee or a worker for president trump, has asked him to do, and he's been working closely with us. >> so, congressman, who do you think should answer for some of these mistakes that he acknowledged would happen? literally hundreds of people being fired and then rehired, who should be responsible for that? do you think doge could be executing on its mission more efficiently? >> well, first of all, i think we've got to recognize that it's very rare for a government agency like doge or anything else to actually admit mistakes whenever they happen. and in this case, elon musk has been very straightforward with the american people that we are doing some of the biggest and most monumental reforms to the administrative state in the past 100 years. and through this process, there may be mistakes, but elon musk has been very public about what he's doing.

he posts about it on his x feed almost every single day. again, we are talking to him as well. so he said that there may be mistakes and they're walking it back and cleaning it up. that's exactly what the kind of transparency and accountability we should want from the federal government. >> i do wonder about some of what has been posted, because a lot of it has been proven to be completely inaccurate. this wall of receipts that doge has on its website has been riddled with errors, many of which they've corrected themselves, confusing billions with millions triple counting contracts that they've eliminated. they've taken credit for ending programs that were ended in november when joe biden was president, even going back as far as 2005, when george w bush was president. so it goes back to the question of transparency. you're arguing that musk is being transparent, but a lot of what's come out is wrong or false. and there have been a lot of mistakes. so i wonder who should be held accountable for those mistakes. >> well, let me let me back up

just a little bit here. what we are doing with the doge movement on the doge subcommittee and what elon musk and president trump are doing, is the biggest and most consequential reform of the administrative state in decades, possibly even in the last 100 years. we have had an administrative bureaucracy that is sclerotic, that is unresponsive to the needs of the american people and is operating with very little accountability and is soaking up taxpayer dollars with almost no restraint. and this has been going on for decades. this reform is so desperately needed, and it's exactly what the american people have been asking for. we are $37 trillion in debt. president trump inherited a federal government that is failing. that is running $2 trillion annual deficits. this cannot continue. it is utterly unsustainable. if we want to preserve agencies like the cdc

or other federal programs, we have got to get them under control to make sure that they are financially viable and sustainable. now, this is such a big process and we're in the early stages of doing this. and again, this is going to take weeks, if not months to go. that yes, there's going to be there may be some confusion, but again they've been correcting errors. and that is exactly what we should be asking of them. they are doing everything we could ask of them and more. >> i guess to that point, i do wonder about their goal of cutting $1 trillion by september. two thirds of what the government has spent this year alone has been on entitlements, social security, medicare, veterans benefits. even if you were to take doge at its word, which has proven to be inaccurate by their own admission, they've only cut about $100 billion. again, math that they have provided that hasn't been verified, that hasn't been verified. i do wonder how they're going to get

to $1 trillion without cutting into those entitlement programs. can you guarantee that there won't be a reduction in benefits? >> well, first of all, i think it's a little inaccurate to say that it's by their own admission, they have been correcting errors. and again, that is all we could ask for for a reform agency or a reform program to do. but whenever you're thinking of the doge gaetz, you're right. elon musk has estimated that he can find about $1 trillion in waste, fraud and abuse from throughout the federal government. and we've president trump, laid it out in his state, excuse me, his joint address the other day, that we've got people on the social security rolls that are listed as being over 150 years old. >> that was. elon musk. >> talked about that to us. >> that was proven to be a coding error. elon musk. elon musk acknowledged. elon musk. those numbers were off. >> i mean, would you let me continue because i want to address that. he talked about that last night. and one of the things that he laid out is how

illogical the federal bureaucracy is that we've got multiple government programs and agencies that are not communicating with each other. so the problem with the social security. entries is that you've got you can identify people who are dead, who are still receiving, excuse me, unemployment benefits, for instance. that shouldn't be. and you could solve that simply by allowing them to communicate with each other. he's identified at the department of labor that some of their data is owned by a third party. they don't even own their data. i mean, these are serious operational problems that he's going in and addressing, and they've happened because we've allowed the bureaucracy to metastasize with virtually no oversight. and we're finally getting oversight and accountability back to washington. that's something that everybody, whether you're a republican or a democrat, should support. >> i do want to just point out

for our viewers the allegation that there are 300 year old people receiving paychecks from the government has not been verified by doge. it's believed that that was as a result of a coding error. cnn tried to verify the information that was provided and received no response. i do want to ask you one more question, congressman. you have family. >> they did find those listings in there. and to your point, if there is a coding error, that is precisely my point. >> but that doesn't mean that people are receiving checks. that doesn't mean that people are receiving. that doesn't mean that there's 150 year old person who is receiving checks, sir, to be clear, they haven't verified that those people received any payments. those theoretical people. nevertheless, before we go, congressman, i do want to ask you one more question that i know is probably personally important to you. you have family who served in the armed forces. i imagine you've heard the news regarding planned cuts at the va. there's this memo outlining more than 70,000 workers that are set to be let go. can you assure veterans that their services will not be interrupted by these cuts? >> well, first of all, i want to

i want to go back to that. what the problem with the social security is that they're not communicating with other agencies that are sending out checks. that's what they've identified. but as it relates to the va, i'd like to remind people that nobody in the united states has a right, by god, to have a job at taxpayer expense at the federal government, myself included. but my children and our grandchildren do have a birthright to inherit a country that is not bankrupt. what elon musk and what has been proposed at the va is simply bringing the size of the agency back to 2019 levels. the va has been a complete mess. i talked to veterans in my district all the time who cannot even get health care because they get on waiting lists that last months and months, and then they get denied, or then they get passed on to another agency or another arm of the va. it is completely unworkable. so if we want these systems to actually work for the american people. and again, i think that that should be the case on a bipartisan basis. both

republicans and democrats should want the va to provide good benefits for our veterans. we have got to get this agency under control. and that's what this administration is doing. this is the first administration that has been serious about getting these agencies under control. and there's been blowback after blowback from the other side of the aisle, unfortunately, who are trying to thwart them every single step of the way. this has got to stop. we want our government to work for the american people. >> congressman brendan gill, we have to leave the conversation there. we appreciate you sharing your point of view. >> boris. thanks for having me. >> next, a top ukrainian official accuses the u.s. of destroying the world order, as france's president says his country may need to extend its nuclear arsenal to guard against russia. >> good morning with dulcolax. >> good, good.

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hearing from president zelenskyy and other, other officials from ukraine, perhaps with the exception of the ambassador to the uk who was speaking in london today, but mostly the messaging towards the white house since that horrible bust up with zelenskyy and president trump and j.d. vance less than a week ago, has been trying to be positive. so i think the ukrainians are going to look optimistically on this. but i mean, let's also look at the optics of this. how extraordinary is it that these two nations that were essentially joined at the hip a little over a month ago, should now be meeting in a third country to have discussions not at not at the top level, but to have discussions. and they need to meet in a third country. i think this really underscores how difficult the relationship is at the moment. they could have met in a european country, although it does seem that president trump is not as happy as he could be, or not happy at all with the position the

europeans are taking with ukraine at the moment. so this really speaks, i think, to the to the greater difficulty, but sets ukraine's relationship with the united states and europe's relationship with the united states vis a vis ukraine. what we've been hearing here in this meeting is really about how europe is so worried about that relationship. it's not just taking massive and unprecedented in recent history steps to massively increase defense spending, to secure its own defense, but also ukraine's defense. and when he was here, president zelenskyy, to get a sense of how isolated he has felt now from the united states and given in the last couple of days, the united states has now decided to withhold not just military hardware aid, but also vital u.s. actionable intelligence on the ground that the fighting forces need every day. zelenskyy, when he was here, really went out of his way to thank the europeans for the support he's getting. this is what he said. >> during all this period. >> and. >> last week, you stay with us.

and of course, from all the ukrainians, from all our nations, big appreciation. we are very thankful that we are not alone. and these are not just words. we feel it. >> yeah, that not being alone is hugely important for zelenskyy. but the reality here, of course, is that europe is not able to rush in and fill in immediate terms. the security gaps that the united states is leaving in its support for ukraine. and that's something zelenskyy is going to have to live with, which is what will make those talks in saudi arabia or wherever they are attractive. because, as the europeans do, so does ukraine need that u.s. security support right now in the battle with russia? >> yeah, they certainly do. nic robertson, thank you so much for that report from brussels. and next, a leaked memo revealing the trump administration's plans to fire more than 70,000 employees at the department of veterans affairs. can that be

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>> in today's home front, how firings of the federal workforce are affecting military veterans. cnn has obtained an internal memo from the chief of staff of veterans affairs detailing plans to fire tens of thousands of va employees. more than 70,000 workers could be impacted, and the whiplash caused by department of government efficiency chaos has already cost more than 1000 va workers their jobs, and many of them are veterans. 30% of the federal workforce has served in the military, and a majority of veterans said that they were voting for donald trump in the 2024 election. in my column out today at cnn.com/homefront, i speak with a veteran in kansas fired from the department of agriculture who voted for president trump. and he

describes terminations that have upended the lives of many employees in his agency as a sudden drawdown. poorly executed. he told me, quote, i'm sorry to put it like this. it was like the pullout of afghanistan. doctor david shulkin is with us now. he is i the former veterans affairs secretary under president trump. in his first term and talking. david, with this this memo that we now have access to about returning staffing to 2019 levels up to 70,000 positions terminated. when you look at that, can you do that at the veterans affairs department without impacting veteran health care and benefits? >> brianna, it's pretty concerning how you can do that. you know, if there's one thing that i know americans are unified on, it's the desire to get veterans the benefits and services that they've earned and in their sacrifice for this

country. and i do applaud the administration for taking a look at how they can make this agency work better. we cannot continue the status quo. the wait times are going up. there are 935,000 claims in backlog for benefits. there are veteran suicide is actually on the rise. we have tens of thousands of homeless veterans. so we do need to take a look at how to improve this system. but i don't know any system that slashes its way to excellence. and what we haven't seen. while we've heard about all of the contracts being canceled, we've heard about employees that are going to be laid off. what we haven't really heard are the plans to make this system better. and if you reduce the number of employees at the same time that we've recently added 400,000 new veterans to the va system in the past 12 months, and we've given all these expansion of benefits, and you slash the number of employees. i don't see

how you're going to get to a better outcome unless you're investing in technologies to help the staff do a better job, unless you're opening up this system to the community care approach. and so we just haven't heard about any of those plans yet. >> millions more veterans now eligible for benefits and services since president biden signed that toxic exposure bill, the pact act, which had so much broad support. we're hearing secretary collins, the va secretary, insisting that these doge recommended changes at least recommended won't affect care for veterans. but, you know, there are already reports of overburdened benefits staff that have been canned in these early firings. i'm hearing worry among va employees that mental health professionals are among those who have been cut so far. that's not even among these 70,000 that we're talking about what they're planning for. i even heard from one

veteran who has voluntarily stopped getting their mental health care because they have a fear that doge may access their records, because we know that doge has been going into systems in different agencies. what does that kind of thing mean for the services the va provides veterans? >> well, look, the va is a terrific national resource and it's filled with people that are there to help veterans. so the one thing we don't want to do is lose the confidence in the va. there are people trying to do a great job, but morale is very low right now. and when you're slashing the workforce and you're not giving a plan as an alternative to be able to help modernize the va, to be able to relook at these access standards so that veterans aren't waiting for care. um, then that's where you begin to start losing that confidence. and, you know, we've worked

really hard to make the va a better place. and i know that secretary collins wants to continue that and wants to strengthen this. but you can't cancel the amount of contracts that have been done. you can't fire 70 to 80,000, uh, people who work in the health care system and still meet all the needs of the veterans who need this care and who need these benefits. unless you come alongside with it. a plan to really invest in the technology and make sure that this system is working for the veterans. and we just haven't heard that piece of it yet. >> you mentioned contracts that have been cut. collins initially defended planned contract cuts as consulting deals that the va could do without to save money. he minimized what those planned cuts were. but then a week ago, the va actually took a pause on those proposed cuts. some of those cuts, after there were concerns it would have a negative effect on health care

services for veterans. does he need to be more forthcoming when it comes to describing what is happening here, to make sure that he retains the faith of veterans? >> i think that the secretary is trying to be forthcoming. i think that he's communicating a great deal, but i think that it is very hard to understand what the consequences are of canceling these contracts when you're doing this as fast as they're doing it. so it may sound like it's a good idea to cancel a contract, but unless you really understand what those services are and what the second degree consequences of those decisions are, you end up at big risk of impacting the services that are being delivered to the veterans, because so much of the care right now is a combination between the private sector through these contracts, helping

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