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money. >> happening now. breaking news. any moment president trump will speak from the oval office. of course we will bring you those remarks. i'm pamela brown. >> and we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer and you're in the situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> and we begin this hour with the breaking news. we're monitoring the oval office over at the white house right now. that's where president trump will speak. we are told at any moment. >> i've learned that he is expected to talk about this morning's jobs report that showed the u.s. added 151,000 jobs in february. that's lower than expected, but still a solid month of gains. we will bring the president's remarks to you when we get them. let's go to

cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny at the white house and cnn business and politics correspondent vanessa yurkevich. jeff, let's kick it off with you. what are you learning about these remarks? >> pamela. >> president trump, as you said. >> is expected to talk. >> about that economic report. really trying to seize the narrative here and impress upon the country that the economy, as you can see there, the jobs added 151,000 in the month of february, a 4.1% unemployment rate, just up a touch. but the white house has been focusing on the new jobs added in the automotive sector. of course, the economy and high prices and really the stubborn inflation has been something that has been worrying this white house. the president does not talk about it very often. of course, he did considerably when he was running for office. but there's no question the white house wants to seize upon this jobs report as a good example of what they see as progress moving in the right direction. of course, this has been just a whirlwind week here with the financial markets.

the on again, off again threats of tariffs, taking them back off of canada and mexico. so the white house is eager to sort of reset that conversation i'm told, and talk about these jobs numbers as the president looks forward. it is a friday. they added this to the schedule and a bit of dramatic fashion here. the jobs report usually is just a written statement that's so released. but the president, i'm told, wants to talk about these as well as likely take other questions in the oval office. >> and we'll of course be monitoring that. we're told that reporters and camera crews will be allowed into the oval office to record the president's opening statement, then the q&a with reporters, and will then be allowed to. broadcast that that exchange that's about to begin. we'll see what the president has to say. jeff zeleny, thank you very, very much. i want to go to vanessa yurkevich right now. you're doing a lot of reporting on this. vanessa, i want to drill down more on this jobs report that he's expected to address. right. in a few minutes. give us a little bit more context on what it shows about the health of the u.s.

economy. >> yeah, wolf, we've been digging into these numbers all morning. and what we're finding is that while this number for february, 151,000 jobs added is solid, it is not quite what economists expected, but it is an acceleration from january's job numbers, which were revised down to 125,000. now the unemployment rate, you see it right there ticking up from 4% to 4.1%. but we are still in historically low unemployment periods. but this jobs report really is a continuation. we have now seen 50 months of consecutive jobs growth. that is really important because it's the second longest stretch of jobs growth that we've had in history. and you can see those jobs added right there. not quite what we saw at the end of last year, but still in line with pre-pandemic levels. also to note, wages for everyday americans up 4% year over year. that is encouraging because that

is outpacing inflation, which is at 3%. the sectors that added jobs in this february jobs report, health care, finance, transportation and warehousing also manufacturing, which we are sure to hear from the president on where we saw declines in employment in industries, leisure and hospitality. a lot of that was because of strike related activity. and also, though the federal government, if you break it down, looking at where these declines came from, the u.s. postal service actually accounted for about 3500 jobs, and then the rest, 6700 were made up of other federal job losses. so these are two industries really to watch as we move forward. will consumer spending have an impact on retail, leisure and hospitality? and will all of these doge cuts have the cuts that doge is making at these federal agencies have an impact on the federal government? jobs that we have

been watching, a strong a solid report, not quite what we were expecting, but i imagine that the trump administration will be encouraged by what they have seen in the month of february in this report, wolf. >> i suspect it will be a very positive statement coming from the president. we're told momentarily. vanessa yurkevich. thanks very much. and jeff zeleny appreciate you as well, pamela. >> all right, wolf, let's discuss this now with republican congressman mike lawler of new york. he sits on the foreign affairs and financial services committee. congressman, thank you for being here with us. we are expecting, as it was just laid out for president trump to address today's jobs report at any moment. as we said, it is solid, a little below expectations, but solid according to economists. at the same time, we saw president trump try to blame his predecessor for, you know, rising prices and the currency of the economy. now he's embracing these jobs numbers. is president trump just cherry picking the economic data he likes.? >> no, i think when you look at what we went through under the biden administration, we saw

record inflation. you look at mortgage costs, 30 year highs. the average mortgage in my district, for instance, went up $1,000 a month. that's over $12,000 a year. people could not afford basic necessities, grocery costs obviously rose dramatically under the biden administration. so we're trying to reverse a lot of that in a very short period of time. obviously, reining in government spending is key to helping drive down inflation, increasing domestic production of energy is critical to reducing cost of goods, services and transportation. you're already seeing significant economic investment come in from outside entities. foreign investment coming into the united states, and the trillions of dollars announced in just the first 45 days here. so i think you're seeing already significant movement. i do think consumer confidence will go up. i do think prices will come down. and

look, i think obviously what exactly the jobs well, because of the work that we're actually doing, when you start reining in federal spending, you know, joe biden increased federal spending by $5 trillion in two years. that's why you saw record inflation. that's why you saw the price of goods and services explode. so we're reining that in. we're increasing domestic production of energy. we're going to have a tax bill inclusive of lifting the cap on salt, which will provide immediate tax relief to folks and is critically important. so there's a lot of work happening in a very short period of time. and i do believe the economy will take off. >> right. well, right now though, as it pertains to and i'm sure you hear from constituents, consumer sentiment is down. it's the lowest it's been in three and a half years. and you're hearing these warnings about the tariffs causing prices to rise. and certainly that would impact your constituents. and you know,

there is a lot of uncertainty right now. president trump has been changing mind a lot. for c he's deciding just this week to pause tariffs for a month on all imports covered by a trade agreement from those countries. he's fired and rehired federal workers. he's promised not to cut medicaid. but back to geo plan that could do just that. and then he blasted the ukrainian president online that invited him to washington before berating him in the oval office. what do you think of all of this flip flopping? is this an effective way to run a government i wouldn't characterize it that way at all. how would you. >> characterize it? the fact is tariffs. well, i'm going to answer your question. tariffs are an effective tool in especially in short term negotiation here to bring about actual fair trade. you have countries that are allies of ours. japan for instance, has barriers to entry for u.s. cars. you have europe putting price controls on u.s. drugs. why do you think we pay such high drug

costs here in america? we're subsidizing europeans and their drugs because of the price controls put in place. you have countries like india, 100% tariffs on u.s. goods. we are looking to force fair trade. you can't say you want fair trade, but then are okay. when foreign governments have unfair trade practices with the united states with respect to mexico and canada, the president has already gotten significant concessions from them and is seeking to get more. and by the way, we should all want that border crossings are down to just over 8000 in the month of february. a year ago, under joe biden, 189,000 border crossings in the month of february 2024. so we're already seeing significant movement. tariffs are an effective short term negotiating tool, and i think the president delaying on on

auto manufacturers is not an issue if it's covered under the terms of the us-mexico-canada trade deal, that's fine. right. and just with respect to the yeah. >> i want to give you the. >> time to make your. >> point, but i also want to make sure that i'm able to respond to to what you said with the facts, you know, because in terms of the mexico and canada tariffs, the only thing that changed was the stock markets went down. there was clearly a big reaction to that. donald trump saw that and changed his tune. and you know, in talking to economists, i'm not an economist, but in talking to several economists, they say, look, businesses don't like this uncertainty. they don't like the back and forth. and that's kind of what we're seeing play out in the in the economy right now. you, of course, have businesses in your district and constituents who this could impact. what do you say to them? >> look, the stock market is going to fluctuate day to day. if we're making decisions based on, you know, a one day analysis of the stock market, that's certainly not a way to to

govern. the fact. >> is, what he. >> did, the overall. >> to be in reaction to this. >> you're you're surmising. no, you're making that assumption. did you speak to him directly? did he tell you that's why he. did that? we have. >> reporting that the. >> fact is. >> certainly we. >> have reporting. >> that that certainly factored into the decision making. go ahead. >> yeah. the fact the fact is that the economy relies on key decision making at the federal level. number one is federal spending. federal spending is out of control. we have a $7 trillion budget with 36 trillion in debt. you think 36 trillion in debt long term is good for the economy. it's a disaster. so we have to rein in the federal government across across the board. and that is what is being undertaken right now at the executive level and at congress, as we work through both reconciliation and appropriations. in addition, they are cutting regulations

across the board. the president announced the other night for every regulation added, they're going to be cutting ten regulations are what stifles american business and the economy. capital markets under joe biden were a disaster. getting capital to into the hands of small businesses was so problematic. and so we are working to actually. reduce regulations and actually allow for the flow of capital, increasing domestic production of energy. energy is critical for everything from manufacturing to the cost of goods and services and transportation. and the fact is, when you look at some of the challenges around the globe, go look at ukraine and russia, for instance, the europeans are purchasing russian gas at the same time, they're trying to combat the russian invasion of ukraine. it's idiotic. they never should have been engaged in that. but because joe biden wasn't serious about increasing

domestic production of energy, we couldn't really go to the europeans and say, hey, you should be purchasing u.s. natural gas. so there's a lot ahead that has to take effect. it's not going to happen in one day. we are barely two months into this administration and the new congress, and we are working through all of the changes in policy that are necessary to actually grow the economy. >> right. but, you know, you talk about the fact that this is we're only, you know, a few weeks into this or a little over a month into this administration. and so i think what that raises is he's clearly taking credit for this jobs report today. but then you're saying, well, he's only, you know, give him some time. he's only a few a few weeks in. and so it's sort of like what is it? is it is this biden's economy? is this trump's economy now? who owns it? >> okay. that's a fascinating juxtaposition. but here's here's the bottom line. obviously, the jobs report is

the jobs report. the i'm answering your question. the jobs report is coming out, you know, for this past month. so now we have an estimate on february. the fact is that businesses are looking to invest in the united states. again, you're getting trillions of dollars of new investment in the u.s. because people understand the tax code is going to be more advantageous to individuals and small businesses. they understand we're going to increase domestic production of energy. they understand we're going to rein in federal spending. again, inflation exploded in large measure because joe biden increased federal spending by $5 trillion in the first two years of his administration. so now you're starting to see people have greater. >> confidence, you know. >> it was a it was a the the inflation was driven by joe biden's reckless spending. that was there's no. >> question. but it was not the full factor. there was also the

war in ukraine, which is why you saw inflation all over the. >> it was the largest. it was the. >> largest inflation. it was by. >> far the largest factor. yeah. it was by far the largest factor. >> it depends on what economists you talk to on that one. but congressman mike lawler i do appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective on all of this news of the day, including the jobs report. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> and you know, pamela, i thought it was significant that we've been reporting now 50 straight months of monthly job growth here in the united states, 50 straight months, 48 of those months were during the biden administration, maybe two right now in the trump administration. >> and we'll have to wait and see, because as we heard mark zandi say, look, right now, it's a solid jobs report, but it's not including the full picture with all the doge cuts. and so, you know, president trump might want to be taking credit now, but will he want to take that credit in future jobs reports? depending on what we see with the impact of doge cuts, tariffs and so forth. >> there's a lot of questions to be answered. and we're watching all of it once again, we're still waiting for president trump to speak from the white house. we'll have

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jobs. that's slightly lower than expected. january's numbers were also revised downward. let's get some reaction from democratic senator alex padilla of california. he's a key member of the judiciary committee. does this jobs report, senator, do anything to ease concerns about the economy, especially with all the uncertainty right now around tariffs and federal government layoffs? >> thanks, wolf. and to answer your question, no. >> if anything, it raises concerns. for starters, we know that the jobs added number is less than what was expected, less than what was forecast. and this report is entirely from within the trump administration. so he can't point back to the end of the biden administration for these numbers. second, as economists will also tell you, there's employment, there's unemployment. but in between there's underemployment. so how many people may still be working

today, but maybe earning less, working less, and having a tougher time providing for their families while prices continue to go up? representative lawler in the previous segment said it's going to take time, but it was donald trump who promised to lower prices on day one, when in fact prices continue to go up. >> most of president trump's tariffs, senator, are on pause right now, but there's still a lot of uncertainty right now. how is the tariff chaos affecting the agricultural industry in your beautiful state of california? of course, agriculture being a major sector of your state's economy. >> exactly. you know, tariffs in general, the on again, off again, in and of itself is disrupting and costly because every employer i know, every business leader, industry leader that i talked to are unable to reliably plan on investments, whether it's what to plant if you're a farmer or a grower or where to build a manufacturing

facility. how many people to hire because you don't know what your situation is going to be in the next couple of months. when it comes to agriculture specifically, and when it comes to canada and mexico specifically, we're talking about california alone being a number one and number two importer and exporter when it comes to agricultural products. so it's not just the the growers that are going to feel it. workers are feeling it. and ultimately it's consumers paying the price for donald donald trump toying with these tariff ideas. >> senator, as you know, president trump is also making big, big cuts to the veterans affairs department. he's also planning to dismantle entirely the department of education. only a handful of republicans have publicly cautioned him against those very extreme measures. what are you hearing from your republican colleagues? at least in private? >> in private? i got to be honest. we're still hearing some of the concern about president

trump's moves, but will ultimately will tell us what they really feel is public statements and public actions. i mean, it's unconscionable that between the entire cabinet that has gone through, that has been confirmed as problematic as so many of these nominees have been, that there's been minimal next to zero republican opposition. look, we're about to get into these spending plan debates. we're facing a potential government shutdown next friday. representative lawler, on the previous segment, was talking about their concern about the deficit and our nation's debt. the single biggest contributor in the last couple of decades to our nation's debt is the trump tax cuts from his first term, the tax cuts for the wealthy and the largest corporations on the planet. if you want to tackle the debt, you don't do it by seeking another $4.5 trillion tax cut that we can't afford, and even less so paying for it by cutting into social security,

medicare, medicaid, and the other vital programs that so many american families count on. >> yesterday, president trump claimed he wants to use a scalpel, not a hatchet, on the u.s. government, and he says he wants agency heads. not necessarily. elon musk making the staffing decisions. do you think that's a sign he's beginning to feel the enormous pressure from the public? >> if he's not feeling it from the public, he's certainly feeling it from his lawyers, because in case after case where these doge cuts and the administration's reckless actions have been challenged, this is exactly one of the things that judges are pointing to. who has the authority for these unlawful firings, these funding freezes, this access to americans personal sensitive personal information. it is not elon musk. it is not his doge team. so i think it's president trump trying to cover up a little bit. but if you continue

watching his message to the end of that meeting with cabinet secretaries, he kind of goes back on it saying, and if you don't do it, then i guess elon musk will. he can't have it both ways. and again, a reminder to the public that when you cut staffing at the va, you're impacting veterans from being able to access the benefits that they've earned. when you cut staffing at the faa, you make it less safe for people to travel. when you cut staffing in the department of interior, for example, you make it harder for water managers in california and throughout the west to do the work that they need to do to get water from where we have it to where and when we need it. so at every turn, they're doing the opposite of improving the effectiveness and efficiency of our federal government. >> senator alex padilla of california. appreciate it very much. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. have a good day. >> you too. and up next, pamela. >> the trump administration continues to cut federal jobs

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this something that your listeners are particularly paying attention to? and also just help us understand who your listeners are. >> well, thank you so much. it's lovely to be here. our listeners are the evening audience on sirius xm progress. although the way radio is going right now, about half of our audience listens live every night on the progress channel and about half listen, you know, on demand, on the app and on the podcast. people are it's really on the left, on a spectrum from fear to outrage. the stock market is crashing, prices are going up. we're breaking laws, appeasing dictators. and folks are scared. folks are trying to figure out where they should focus their outrage. i'm glad the jobs report is better than expected, but it's very, very early yet. these policies have not gone into place, and people are terrified that more and more federal workers are going to be losing their jobs for no reason other than a billionaire's whim. >> jeff, i see you sort of nodding over there.

>> well. >> i would say that. >> in conservative country, iowa is a state that voted for donald trump by a 13 percentage point margin. i'd say cautious optimism. i don't think that anyone is pie in the sky or thinking unicorns. >> and. >> rainbows about the about. >> the economy at. this particular point. >> but they did vote. >> for donald trump. >> it is early in his. >> term, and they are hearing him talk about what his ideas are. it's a really interesting mix of either tariffs or tax cuts. and i think a lot of the listeners are hopeful that it will result, because most of them did vote for donald trump in a better economic future for iowa and americans. but we're still in the wait and see mode. >> and just to follow up on that, you know, trump had said, look, day one, i'm going to lower prices. that clearly hasn't happened. some of that like eggs. look, it's the avian flu. there's not a whole lot he can do. but but prices are up and there's concern about the tariffs going up. i'm wondering if your listeners are they putting the blame on biden or are they starting to to look at

trump more of like, why are you not doing more for us in this realm to you? >> well, the blame is still among my listeners on biden, and i think people understand we really can't do anything about the egg shortage unless trump can produce robotic chickens. so we are waiting for that 18 week period. you know, this is farm country, and i do understand it's going to18 weekso get more laying hens out there to lower egg prices. but i think that's a real example of waiting and seeing and seeing if the economy can recover. and it is interesting to me. on w.h.o. radio, i do the morning show, we play the farm markets every 15 minutes, and what's going on in the farm markets is a lot like what's going on in the stock market, based on what the tariff news is, it's causing the farm prices to bounce all over the place. so there's still a lot of people waiting and seeing what trump's economic policies are going to do for them. >> it sounds like right now, though, a lot of your listeners are giving him grace. what about your listeners, john?

>> you know, that's not quite the case. listeners to the sirius xm progress remember all too well donald trump's squandering everything he inherited from barack obama. joe biden gave us an economy with incredible job growth for years and the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, as well as you know, every country on earth has post covid inflation. america has the lowest inflation of all the g7 nations. we're doing better than all of our capitalist allies. sadly, it seems like most americans don't know these facts. so people are worried that trump is going to squander all he inherited from biden as well. and no one knows what to believe. he says he wants to get rid of undocumented immigrants, but they'll never go after the employers who put up the help wanted sign at our border. they say they want to cut government waste, but they'll never touch the pentagon and won't consider taxing billionaires who could easily afford it. they say they're going to protect social security. but this week in that speech, we saw the president laying the groundwork by falsely claiming it's filled with fraud so folks don't know what to be

afraid of. >> i do think in terms of the pentagon, i mean, we could see some some cuts there. from what? from what i understand. but i think that that's interesting that, you know, the uncertainty of i don't know what to expect here, what's going on here. and i wonder to you, jeff. >> on that so frequently. >> well, yeah. what are your i'm just wondering on that note, jeff, what your listeners think about that, you know, because donald trump's whole thing is about being a strong and tough and to sort of project that that sense of certainty. but he's got he's made a lot of moves since he's been in office where he's pulled back on what he has done hiring and firing and, you know, pulling back, i should say, firing and hiring the people he fired. on the tariffs, imposing tariffs and pulling back on that with ukraine. there's been a lot of whiplash. how do your listeners see that, jeff? >> well, i think that i think it's important to note the context that in the last election, people said the country was going in the wrong direction and what they expected donald trump to do and what he

is doing is shake up the status quo. and if you're going to make dramatic change, and i think that's what iowans voted for. they wanted dramatic change in how our government is run. they understand it's going to look messy. i think no one expects that doing some of these unprecedented things, really, for the very first time in many decades, taking a serious look at how our government spends its money, what our employees are doing in federal government, that it is going to be a little bit messy. but he is being bold. he is a bold leader. that doesn't mean that everything runs perfectly on time. you do have to make adjustments on the fly, but i do think there is. i think he is giving the voters who voted for him exactly what they wanted, which is dramatic reform, dramatic change. it is not a clean way to go about it. it's a messy way, but you have to break a few eggs to keep the egg theme going to in order to try to get the the government change that i think folks voted for in iowa. >> excellent example. there,

jeff. so, john, i mean, look, bureaucratic bloat is a thing. and i think a lot of democrats would also admit, look, yes, some of our agencies have gotten out of control. you know, do you have any listeners who actually sort of can think, well, i'm kind of curious about this doge thing. maybe this could be a good thing in the end. >> absolutely. well, i mean, everyone's in favor of cutting government waste. my goodness, jeff's exactly right as well that folks voted for this guy to shake up the status quo. they didn't vote for thousands of american veterans to get fired by an unelected billionaire. and his unvetted, 22 year old henchmen. they didn't vote for us to abandon our own treaty obligations to our ally, and to call surrender a peace deal. so, you know, folks are very, very, very, very worried about this because they remember what happened the last time. they expect there to be a gigantic tax cut for the folks who need it the least. and the problem is, the last time he was in office, that contributed to 25% of all the debt this country has accrued in 250 years. he did it

in four. >> but i don't think your listeners voted for donald trump. and i think that a lot of the fears that they had in advance of the election are playing themselves out with respect. but i think for the folks who did vote for donald trump in iowa, this is what they did expect, even if it does look a little bit messy. >> all right. thank you so much for helping us all get out of our bubbles in here and hear what people across the country are thinking about all of this happening in washington. thank you. both, jeff and john. we have much more after this short break. stay with us. >> some people. >> have. >> minor joint pain plus certain stomach problems. they may not be able to take just anything for pain. that's why doctors recommend tylenol. it won't irritate your stomach the way aleve, advil or motrin can for trusted relief. trust tylenol. >> ego, the number one rated brand in. >> cordless outdoor. >> power experience. >> our most powerful. >> blower that. >> exceeds the power. >> of gas. >> the industry's most. >> powerful cordless pressure washer and a string trimmer. so smart it loads the line with the

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whiplash of president trump's threats of tariffs. he started the week with new tariffs on both mexico and canada, only to back off with new exemptions by the end of the week. for some perspective on all of this, we're joined now by the presidential historian douglas brinkley. doug douglas, thanks so much for joining us. how unusual is this level of turmoil this early in a new administration? >> never before. >> in modern. >> american history. >> have we. >> had this kind of whiplash. 100 days of trump acts like he makes a big foot forward with an executive order or proclamation, or a shouting match at zelenskyy or trudeau, and then 48 hours later, he reverses himself. so it's dizzying. and i think people thought with nixon at one point there was such a thing as the madman theory of the presidency, scaring people about what you're going to do. i've never heard, though, of putting people in utter panic and in pitching america in disregard

the way that trump is doing around the world right now. he seems to be creating a scenario where nobody likes him. and and yet people fear him because of his erratic behavior. >> we've also seen douglas a remarkable shift in foreign relations right now. the trump administration has been openly hostile towards ukraine. various european allies and our north american neighbors, while making an extraordinary pivot toward russia. how historic is that? >> you know, we've lived in the united states from harry truman all the way to joe biden with the notion that nato was supreme, that our great success project was building the european union, that if a president was going to score some points on the history board, like bill clinton did in the 90s, you did nato enlargement, adding countries like poland into nato. but alas, trump is a dismantler. he finds that what he should do is blow

up the truman to biden world order and reframe it back in. really a 19th century way, when you had robber barons, it was a high moment for the monroe doctrine, which he's now grabbed onto, and his claim for taking panama. and he sees greenland the way that, say, andrew johnson's secretary of state, william seward, saw laska something you can just kind of buy for cheap or grab. so we're dealing with a 19th century imperial, autocratic expansionist president, although we're in the 21st century, and i'm afraid his administration is acting like these building blocks of internationalism, ranging from the world bank to usaid to you know, our state department programs around the world, to cia intelligence gathering. it's just wasteful spending. instead of getting out the waste from international

programs, he seems to be sledgehammering them and then see what might be worth piecing back together. >> we are still very early into the second trump term, doug. but what moments have stuck you stuck out to you so far that you believe history will remember? >> i think day one of donald trump, the theatrics of his inaugural inside, and the fact that he then goes to the arena and does these giant donald trump signatures, which are bigger than all presidents signatures combined, one after another of executive orders, some of them as silly as changing the gulf of mexico to the gulf of america, other ones a little bit like his first term muslim ban. things to, you know, try to do mass deportations, which with some american public is game if they're deporting criminals, but instead they're kind of rooting around to figure out what to do. but the big the big symbol and we're in a

digital age is musk holding, holding, you know, the cutter. he's going to cut government by a third. but when you start, you know, cutting people that served in the u.s. government, in our armed forces, people on our veterans department people now that are counting on living on social security and medicaid and medicare those are birthrights those three. and if trump administration goes forward, i think it'll be it'll be a problem. but i think it's the friendship of musk and trump and doge that will be remembered. >> the presidential historian douglas brinkley, thanks, as usual, for joining us. and we'll be right back.

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