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pretty amazing. brian. thank you. he's the kind person. >> well. >> according. >> although not to not to zelenskyy. he wasn't, you. know what. but to trump, he's been good. go ahead brian. >> nice tie by the way. >> we coordinated.. >> two questions. one on peace. >> why don't. >> you think any other. >> european countries. >> are offering. >> a peace deal? >> it seems like. >> no one's. >> come to the. >> table for peace. >> except for you. >> yeah. >> it's a very good question. sometimes questions aren't answerable. they're in a very unusual position. they they don't know how to end the war. i think i do know how to end the war. despite the russia, russia, russia hoax, i've always had a good relationship with putin. and you know, he wants to end the war. he wants to end it. and i think he's going to be more generous than he has to be. and that's pretty good. that means
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a lot of good things, because frankly, you could have made a great deal if you if this war never started, you could have made a great deal. i don't know that anything would have had to be given up. this was not a war that was going to start. brian. and it didn't start for four years. you know, somebody said, well, how do we know that? well, for four years it didn't start. i used to speak to vladimir about it. i used to speak to him about it at length. it was the apple of his eye, but there was no way he was going in. and he knew, you know, they were going to be consequences. but it did start. i mean, think of think of what happened. inflation. you have the war with ukraine and russia that wouldn't have happened. october 7th would have never happened. israel, they had no money. iran had no money. iran was stone cold broke. and now they have a lot of money. but that's going to be the next thing he'll be talking about. is iran. what's going to happen with iran? and there'll be some
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interesting days ahead. that's all i can tell you. you know, we're down to final strokes with iran. that's going to be an interesting time. and we'll see what happens. but we're down to the final moments. we're at final moments. you can't let them have a nuclear weapon. >> we have. >> been monitoring president. trump speaking. >> in the oval. >> office on the last. >> day of this. >> work week. >> and what. >> a topsy turvy year this week. >> has been. days of. turmoil and uncertainty. >> driven by president trump's flip flops on key issues. so let's start with the economy. on tuesday, trump hit goods from canada and mexico with 25% tariffs, saying there was no room for those countries to negotiate. that drove the stock market lower by kicking off an escalating trade war with america's largest trading partners. >> but donald. >> they point out that even. though you're a very smart guy. this is a. >> very dumb.
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>> thing to do. >> just one day later, after a phone call with the big three american automakers, trump made his first big reversal amid fears the stiff taxes could devastate u.s. auto manufacturing. >> we are. >> going to give a. >> one month. >> exemption on >> downsizing the federal government. remember, this cabinet meeting from last week
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if you are well, throw them out of here. >> all laughs. but after republican lawmakers were confronted by angry crowds at town halls. >> the government is doing right now as far as cutting out those jobs, and that is a game changer. >> what's not reasonable is taking this chainsaw approach. >> i feel bad that people have been laid off. >> fraud and abuse that has been discovered already. >> oh. >> and following a behind closed doors meeting between musk and some of those lawmakers this week after multiple federal agencies were forced to rehire fired employees after realizing the critical nature of their roles, president trump now says his administration will start using, quote, the scalpel rather than a hatchet. >> i said, i want the cabinet members go first. keep all the people you want. if they can cut, it's better. and if they don't cut, then elon will do the cutting. >> there was also foreign policy
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freneticism after trump's contentious oval office meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. >> you don't know that. >> god bless you. god bless you. what have you got, a war? >> don't tell us what we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel. >> trump kicked zelenskyy out of the white house without signing a minerals deal, without holding a press conference, without any guarantees that the u.s. would back ukraine up against russian aggression. and in the days that followed, the u.s. paused military aid to the ukrainian front lines and partially halted u.s. intelligence sharing. europe has since rallied around ukraine. leaders embracing zelenskyy at a special summit in brussels. while trump took the stage on capitol hill lambasting american support. >> we've spent perhaps $350 billion. like taking candy from a baby. that's what happened. >> to be clear, that math ain't
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math. in the u.s. actually appropriated about $183 billion for the ukraine war, according to the government inspector general. trump also questioning u.s. support for nato. yesterday. >> if the united states was in trouble and we called them, we said we got a problem. do you think they're going to come and protect us? they're supposed to. i'm not so sure. >> despite all of that, u.s. officials are now preparing to meet next week with zelenskyy in saudi arabia discussing a framework for peace. and today, another new twist. despite trump insisting for weeks now that russia wants peace, an admission they don't seem to want it that much. president trump announcing possible large scale sanctions on russia because it is, quote, absolutely pounding ukraine on the battlefield right now. and we should note, russia is also absolutely pounding innocent ukrainians as well, bombarding civilian targets, killing close to 100 civilians. since trump held what he called a highly
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productive phone call with vladimir putin less than three weeks ago. we are covering all of this with our team of correspondents. let's begin with a new jobs report from the first full month of trump's second term. matt egan is with us now. matt, what's the takeaway here well, brianna, this could end up being the calm before the storm because we were all on high alert for some potentially troubling news. >> and thankfully we did not get it. today's report showed that the u.s. economy added 151,000 jobs last month. now that's a touch below expectations, but that's a solid number, and it's actually an improvement from january, which was revised lower to 125,000. now the unemployment rate did tick higher to 4.1%, but still historically low. but it moved in the wrong direction and for the wrong reasons. right. because there's more people who are unemployed and there's fewer people who are looking for work. i'm digging into the industries. we saw that manufacturing return to job
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growth. that's good to see. however, the federal government lost 10,000 jobs. that's the most that we've seen since mid 2022. and that does not even really capture the full impact from the mass layoffs that have been led by elon musk and doge. big picture, solid month of job growth. it's actually the 50th consecutive month where the united states is adding jobs. that is the second longest streak on history. but i think the big question, of course, is how long is that going to last, given all of the uncertainty that you just covered in the intro there? we did just hear from federal reserve chairman jerome powell. he was speaking here in new york. he acknowledged a lot of the uncertainty here. he said that even the fed doesn't know where tariffs are going to be and how high they're going to go, and on what countries and for how long. he said. for now, the fed doesn't feel the need to do anything with interest rates. they're just going to wait for
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more clarity ahead. and we see the market has been bouncing around sharply lower. earlier today, the stock market moving into the green in the last few moments, i talked to market veteran michael bloch and he told me, look, investors are having trouble digesting this multi-dimensional chess that trump and his team are playing. he said there might be a method to the madness, but the market is saying, stop confusing us. we don't like it. brianna. >> all right, matt egan, thank you for that. boris. >> let's dig deeper on this wild week of tariff flip flops, the new jobs report and the economy with roben farzad. he's a business journalist and the host of full disclosure. robin, thank you so much for being with us. let's start with the jobs report 151,000 created a lower number than expected. put that into context for us. >> jobs are still being created, and you have to go back well into the biden administration. we are on the five year anniversary, i would say, plus or minus a week of that feeling
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of weightlessness, that awful sinking feeling when schools were shut down, various professional obligations, concerts. we didn't know what was coming across the pond. and you saw in unemployment spike into the mid teens, you guys, cnn, all the other channels were covering these long lines of cars queuing up for food, restaurants, not knowing what to do, people not having business interruption insurance pretty much since all of that bottomed out later on in 2020. you've had jobs created consistently ever since. even with all the uncertainty of tariffs and inflation and the ongoing inflation, the fact that we're still creating jobs, albeit maybe at, you know, 10 or 20,000 jobs lower than the official estimate is still on margin, i think a victory. having said that, it has not had time to fully interpret, i think the effects of the washington slowdown, maybe the effects at the border, like the chilling effect on maybe labor coming through and then inflation and hourly wages going up. so i would hold my breath for next month and the month after. >> how do you think those
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changes, the immigration crackdown, cuts to the federal workforce, et cetera.? how do you think that will ultimately impact the broader labor market? >> the immigration crackdown is certainly inflationary. i would say that there's a policy, as you know, the chamber of commerce wing of the republican party, whatever is left of it, has always treated, i think, immigration, illegal, undocumented and documented with salutary neglect. i mean, kind of look the other way because how can you run a city like atlanta, a city like new york city, like san fran, nashville without, restaurant workers, without hotel workers, everybody is always looked the other way because it's such an important part of the economy. and when you have a shortage of workers, the perennial for hire sign outside the diner, outside the hotel, you need all the help you can get. so if there's suddenly a plunge where, you know, south americans and mexicans and central americans correctly are saying that the trump administration is looking to crack down, it's not the time to risk it. you're going to see
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that ripple across the border immediately with potentially higher wage prices. >> i wonder if you could see a scenario in which the market stabilizes and. regains most of what it's lost this week of trump sort of zigzagging on tariffs? how directly are markets tied to what the president says in relation to tariffs on canada and mexico and china? because even just now in the oval office, he seemed to zag again, promising additional tariffs on canadian goods. >> well, i compare it to trying. >> to very hard to put it in. >> it's very hard to take it. it's very hard to interpret all these things. and the market is given back its losses, its gains, its sugar highs since trump was elected because of deregulation and lower taxes and everything that was expected there. but i as i've said, the more this goes on, the more that you kind of look at it as kind of he's bluffing, he's zigzagging, whatever you want to call it, the less they're
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willing to kind of believe that that bark. and i know i just mixed a million metaphors there, but i'm trying to get my head around it. i'm trying to get my head around it as well. but perversely, boris, i would say that if the risks of recession are higher and you quoted you know, jerome. >> powell. >> we're doing damage to ourselves if we're shooting ourselves in the foot. another metaphor, then, yes, maybe we could celebrate recession. maybe, just maybe, the markets would celebrate because the fed has a better hand in cutting interest rates. but that's a that's a real self goal would have to happen for that. >> listen, a lot of metaphors, a lot of merited metaphors, given the amount of confusion we're trying to parse through. roben farzad, always appreciate the perspective. thanks for being with us. >> thank you brian. >> always love a metaphor. and now for more on president trump announcing that he is limiting the role of doge, we have cnn's jeff zeleny joining us live now from the white house. and, jeff, it appears the president really wants to be clear that it is the agency leaders who are in charge
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here, not musk. is that a matter of messaging or is this a legal issue, or is it both? >> i think it could be both, and we won't know the answer until we see how this plays out. i'm very hesitant to say that suddenly doge has a new mandate, because that is not what the president was saying yesterday, but it was pretty extraordinary, brianna, the fact that there was a cabinet meeting, several members of the cabinet were actually out of town, but it was a hastily called meeting on thursday. no cameras were present, and we are told it was actually quite confrontational. but the president said he was sending a clear message. it is the cabinet secretaries who will make the exact decisions about their agencies, whether they should respond to emails about what their employees did, who they should hire, who they should fire. so that certainly marked a turnaround from that cabinet meeting just a week ago, where we all saw elon musk holding court in the cabinet room. so this comes after a lot of blowback from republicans on
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capitol hill. the white house has been hearing that has been listening to that. and, of course, these republican lawmakers are largely supportive of elon musk and what he's doing writ large, but are hearing specific examples from their home districts, from specific frozen programs or people who have been dismissed. so really, for a series of days, elon musk has been meeting with republican senators. they've been asking him, you know, give us a heads up and bring the cabinet secretaries in. so yesterday's meeting was a bit of a reset, if you will, to remind the the government that it is the senate confirmed cabinet agencies who are in charge. but i think we shall see. we'll have to wait and see how this plays out to see if it's actually a hatchet or the scalpel. as the president called for, brianna. >> or a chainsaw. jeff zeleny, thank you so much, boris. >> indeed. >> we want to pivot now to something else that trump brought up during his press availability. the russian invasion of ukraine. we'll take you live to cnn's nick paton
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walsh, who is in kyiv for us. nick, president trump saying that he could potentially impose a harsh sanctions on russia to bring them to the negotiating table. how is that news being received where you are in kyiv? >> i mean, i'm sure there's an element of optimism that this is a possibility. but at the same time, ukraine has had not sanctions, but certainly problems imposed upon it by the pause in u.s. military aid and intelligence sharing. that's been in act now for 3 or 4 days. so i'm sure ukrainians are heartened at the possibility of moves taken against them, but they haven't actually occurred. what we heard, though, in that statement, was the suggestion that, indeed, he finds ukraine harder to deal with than russia, and that russia wants to make a deal. he also said again that they're bombing the hell out of ukraine. that's the russians, but also saying that vladimir putin is doing what anybody else would do. i'm not entirely sure if that's reference to his negotiating strategy, or if indeed it's something to do with the bombardment that we've been seeing. but clearly an
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emphasis on the talks on tuesday in saudi arabia, which will be key. of course, we understand that. secretary, national security adviser waltz and secretary of state marco rubio will be going there for that. but there is, i think, an element of anxiety, potentially, as to what the ask will be. you heard the national security advisor waltz there, talking about how they want to get the relationship back on track. now, clearly, there is an optimism, potentially, that the rare earth minerals deal can be signed. but i think there's also some concern that the peace plan that appears to be taking some kind of shape, that there's multiple variations, there's the us-russia discussions occurring, there's the european peace plan that's seeming to take some kind of shape. and there is potentially something else which we may not be entirely privy to. the details of that may eventually percolate through in this riyadh meeting. so a lot i think that leaves ukrainians deeply anxious here. and i think also, too, within a matter of an hour, we heard a truth social post from the president saying
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that he was strongly considering trenchant sanctions against russia to push him to the peace table. but then, in the same hour, almost this oval office appearance in which he talked about how russia was easier to deal with than ukraine. so the whiplash here, frankly, the discombobulation, the lack of clarity about where the united states stands leaves many concerned. but if you look at the practical moves of the united states, they've limited aid and intelligence sharing to their former ally, ukraine. i say former because many here are entirely unclear where the united states sits in all of this. they appear to feel an affinity towards vladimir putin. at least that was expressed by president trump during that press conference. and so the notion that they are the intermediary between the two sides, we'll see what happens in riyadh on tuesday. but i think some ukrainians doubt that right now. >> nick paton walsh live for us in kyiv. thank you so much for the update. coming up, newly released text messages reveal total panic on the night that four idaho college students were
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>> the house will come to order. the house will come to order. >> several other democrats staged protests during trump's address by holding signs, some by walking out, despite guidance from party leadership to remain restrained. in the meantime, his criticism from democrats toward the trump administration grows in new cbs poll shows most americans agree trump is changing the way government works, but they are split on whether that is, for better or worse. the numbers also found a small majority back elon musk's influence in spending and operations of the federal workforce. we're joined now by democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida. congresswoman, thank you for being with us. and as i noted, democrats have a variety of approaches to opposing trump right now. we saw that on display at the joint address. everybody kind of doing their
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own thing from attending to skipping to interrupting. and you even saw that with ten democrats censuring along with republicans, congressman al green. why haven't democrats settled on a cohesive. >> definitely have settled on a cohesive way of opposing donald trump's grievously harmful policies, job cuts, devastating cuts that are unlawful and unconstitutional to vital programs that help americans through congress, the community and the courts. in congress, we had a hearing this week, and we'll have weekly hearings that democrats will put on to highlight and put a human face on the really harmful impact of the devastating medicaid cuts that are coming after the republican budget resolution passed. next week, we'll be focusing on the impact of cuts to snap, which will slash funding to really make sure that they can take care of millionaires and billionaires
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and the wealthy corporations with massive tax cuts and cut people's nutrition benefits that make sure that they can keep their children and families healthy and well. we're supporting court lawsuits and courts, and we're in our communities making sure that we communicate with our constituents and republicans. constituents across the country are holding their feet to the fire, which is now why republicans are back on their heels very clearly trying to find a way to stop their polling numbers from falling and recognizing that, you know, when you do something like cut 83,000 jobs, which they're planning to cut from the va, that you're hurting veterans and you're hurting the folks families who are losing their jobs. and that's not what americans signed up for. so we're on this. >> okay. so let me ask you then, do you think because, i mean, we see a poll, 73% of democrats and democratic leaning independents polled by cnn say that democrats in congress are doing too little to oppose trump. i wonder you
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feel that there is a cohesive opposition. do you think that when you see numbers like that, that it's kind of a bum rap that democrats are getting? >> i'm not going to quibble with how people are feeling right now. they're feeling anxious and scared, and what we really need to make sure we do is continue to keep the pressure on republicans. we have a budget vote coming up next week, an appropriations vote next wednesday that we should be staying at the table to make sure we pass our full year appropriations bills so we can fully fund the needs that people have in our government. but instead, the republicans are going to try to jam through a, a cr, a continuing resolution that gives more control to donald trump. and we need to put pressure on the republicans. we need three republicans. they have a three vote margin. we need three republicans to vote with us to make sure that we can stop that and go back to the negotiating table. otherwise, doge and musk and his doge bags are going to have more control over which programs are cut.
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who's getting fired? donald trump has actually presided over the most cuts to veterans firings of veterans in history. he's he's he's has an economy that is all over the place on again off again tariffs. the stock market dropping. people are really starting to feel the pain. employers are cutting more jobs than than were grown last month. it is really going to build up on republicans. and we're keeping the pressure on as democrats. >> it does seem democrats are trying to figure out, you know, where they stand on some issues that are divisive. i want to talk to you about something. california governor gavin newsom said he had charlie kirk on his podcast this week. and here's a sampling of their conversation that, would you say no men and female sports? >> well, i think it's an issue of fairness. i completely agree with you on that. it is an issue of fairness. there's also a humility and grace that you know, that that these poor
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people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that i have a hard time with as well. so both things i can hold in my hand. >> what do you think about the way he's talking about that issue, which is something that we've seen a lot of democrats in different places on some of them struggling to figure out how to talk about. >> making sure that everyone is treated fairly and equally is a bedrock principle in the united states of america. and we shouldn't be shying away from that. but on the other hand, what we really need to focus on is affordability and how the economy is impacting and prices are impacting people at their kitchen table. so donald trump. >> chris minns, congresswoman, i'm not going to let you off the hook on this one. i'm not i'm not going to let you off the hook on this one. i understand, but i also one of your colleagues, steve cohen, said in this really interesting politico article today, which
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was sort of about the ins and outs of congress. he believes that it's not just the eggs that lost democrats the election, he said, actually, i think people have eggs for brains if they think that's the case, he said. it's not just an issue of the economy, meaning it's the culture war issues. it's the issues like this one that gavin newsom is talking about. so, as you know, how do you think, genuinely, how do you think democrats need to be approaching these issues that i think a lot of americans look at how they are approaching and they don't agree with them on it. >> brianna, i don't shrink back from this issue to anyone. i'm a vice chair of the equality caucus in congress and on the board of the equality pac. i'm one of the largest lgbtq plus populations in the country. so we have to stand on principle and make sure that everyone is treated equally. i'm not shrinking away from this issue. i'm leaning in to the notion that those issues were something that republicans manufactured,
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as if that was a like where the number one priority of democrats was, when instead, what we needed to be leaning into is focusing on making sure that the cost of groceries, the cost of gas, the cost of housing and insurance and health care, which is what my constituents are talking to me about every day. i don't get questions about the lgbtq plus issues more than i get them about people's everyday affordability, affordability issues. and that's where republicans are falling dramatically short. donald trump isn't living up to his promises, and we're going to hold their feet to the fire. and we have to make sure that we pass a budget that is going to ensure that we can bring people's costs down, that we can ensure that taking care of people's wellness and health and protecting our seniors and their medicare and the vulnerable who need medicaid, half the country's children are get their health care from medicaid. that's the spotlight that we need to focus. and republicans need to be held accountable for
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their willingness to be slashing those vital services in favor of tax cuts for millionaires, billionaires and corporations. >> a lot of questions about where they get money and the kind of savings they're talking about without touching some of those entitlements, even though. >> they insist. >> even though they insist they won't. it's hard to see congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. brianna. >> coming up, text messages between surviving roommates reveal new details about the night four idaho college students were murdered. >> one a next level clean swish with the whoa of listerine. it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone. get a next level clean with listerine. feel the whoa. >> meet norman. he's part jack russell and part tornado. meet the bissell crossway hydro
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squad. the inmate, 67 year old brad sigmon, who was convicted of a double murder, actually chose this method over the electric chair and lethal injection. his death will mark the first firing squad execution in that state's history, and the first time it's been used in the u.s. in nearly 15 years. cnn's ryan young is tracking this story from columbia, south carolina, where sigmon is set to be executed. ryan, it's interesting he he chose this as a more humane method of execution in his eyes. >> yeah, a lot of details to get to. so we'll get to them very quickly here. brad sigmon has said that he killed his ex-girlfriend's parents. he used a baseball bat, went from room to room, back and forth as he killed them. then he kidnaped his ex-girlfriend and she was able to escape. he took a shot at her. and actually, when he said he did all this, he said he didn't want anyone else to have her. since then, he's found jesus and the bible, according to his attorney. but he's also decided he wanted to face that firing squad because he was worried that the electric chair
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was too brutal and lethal. injection was too brutal. we'll show you some new images that we just received in the last hour or so of the room where he will die in the corner. if you look at the top hand corner there, you'll see a chair that's uncovered. they will strap him into that chair. there will be three members of the firing squad who will take a shot at him. they will put a hood over his head. there will be a target placed over his heart. and then all three will fire live rounds toward him. when the witnesses who are in the room, they'll see a profile of him. this will happen very quickly, but obviously they were concerned about the idea that the other two methods were too lethal and too scary, and might subject him to too much pain. there's still a chance, though. obviously the governor or the supreme court could come in and say, we'll stay this execution. but so far, many people believe this execution will happen. one last thing, boris. he has received his last request of a meal, which was kfc. he wanted three buckets he wanted to share with the other death row inmates. they didn't do that. they did bring him some chicken, some
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green beans and potatoes. so that is his last meal. this execution should happen around 6:00 today. >> boris ryan young. keep us posted with the details from columbia, south carolina. thank you so much, brianna. >> newly released text messages revealing the panic and terror from the night that four university of idaho students were murdered in their off campus home. the texts show how two surviving roommates who were inside of the house were frantically texting each other and trying to reach their other roommates. around the time of the stabbings back in november of 2022, prosecutors are asking the court to allow the messages as evidence in the case against bryan kohberger, whose trial is set to start in august. a not guilty plea has been entered on his behalf. we have cnn's jean casarez, who is here with us on the story. she's been following this since the beginning. jean, this is the first time that we're seeing these messages. what do they say? >> absolutely. because this has been the mystery what happened in that. house with. >> those two surviving witnesses. well, first thing we want to tell everyone is that
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law enforcement believes that these murders were committed between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on november 13th of 2022, and the timeline really begins a little bit after four. at 4:04 a.m., there was a white hyundai that went that drove across in front of the house. now this car started doing that about 330. but law enforcement hones in on that time right there. then a little bit later, at 412, doordash arrives. xana kernodle one of the victims had ordered doordash. she got the food. it's believed she was in her room eating the food alive when the attack began. and then at 417, right in the middle of that time frame, there's a security camera about 50ft away from the residence. it had audio and video. the audio heard, first of all, a whimpering sound, a loud bang and a dog barking. and there was a dog in that house. now, at 422, the surviving roommates began to text each other from their own bedroom.
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and by the way, one of them is saying, according to the probable cause affidavit, that she saw a man all in black when she opened the door of her bedroom on the first floor, and they were also trying to get ahold of the victims at this point. so we see the first one. no one is answering. i'm really confused right now. zinna was wearing all black. i'm freaking out right now. no, it's like ski mask almost. i'm not kidding. i am so freaked out. so am i. come to my room, run down here and that really shows the frantic nature of this. at 10:23 a.m., they were still trying to get hold of the victims, trying to call them the 911 call not made until 1158. it was they were crying. they were frantic. they said, we have an unconscious person and they were talking about xana kernodle. >> it's terrifying. jean
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come to you. >> 800 821 4000. >> for the second time in a row, a spacex starship spacecraft exploded less than ten minutes after its launch. people watching this debris lighting up the sky from some parts of florida and also over the caribbean. >> let's discuss with former nasa astronaut and former director of spacex operations at spacex, garrett reisman. garrett, thanks so much for being with us. eventually, this rocket is supposed to carry people. what if there had been people on board when it started to lose control? >> well, boris, that's a good question. you know, it would have been a very bad day for those people, to say the least. so the thing that's worth noting is that starship, unlike all the other rockets we're using today to get people into space, does not have a launch escape system. so like the spacex dragon, the boeing starliner, the orion, the soyuz, the shenzhou, all those rockets have an ability to take the crew
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and the capsule away from the rocket in the event the rocket is having a bad day and bring them to safety. but starship does not have that capability. >> wow. and i mean, not to mention, and i know i'm just a layperson here, garrett. so correct me if i'm wrong, but at a certain point, isn't rocket debris repeatedly raining down on earth? you know, they had to close airspace last night. they're still finding stuff on turks and caicos from the january explosion. isn't that less than ideal oh, sure. >> and that's the faa's job is to protect the uninvolved public. and so far, it's working. you know, it's been very inconvenient. they grounded flights in florida. they had to turn some airplanes around. but the faa is doing its job and making sure that nobody gets hurt. so far. and it's a tricky thing to do when you have a vehicle this big that's coming apart. and by the way, i should point out about that launch escape system. you know, this is an unprecedented hubris on the part of spacex. we actually did not have a launch escape system on the space shuttle either, but
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we thought we had got to the point where we can make the ship safe enough that we didn't need one. and then we had the challenger explosion, and one day we're going to have to get to the point where, like right now with airliners, we don't have escape systems on those either, but they're safe enough that we don't need one. the question is, will starship get there? and that's very much an open question. >> i do wonder if you think the faa should have authorized this test before they finalized the investigation into that previous crash in january. that one is still under investigation. >> yeah. you know, again, the faa's job is not really to make spacex successful. their job is to make sure that nobody gets hurt. and if they're assured that there's nothing that changed in the analysis or the potential danger of the launch, and then they' go aheaand give them a go to proceed. and in this case, that was true. you know, they did have another almost identical explosion and debris raining down. but again,
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the faa did its job and and nobody was hurt, just inconvenienced. so that's really what the faa is focused on. it's spacex's job to make the rocket work. >> do they need to add an escape capsule? garrett. >> well, it'll be very hard to do that with a rocket this big that's going to carry up to, you know, maybe 70 or more people. there's no not really a good practical way to do that. so what spacex is banking on is that they can make this ship successful. and what they try to do is be unafraid to fail and and work out all the bugs and have incidents like these when the consequences of failure are low and nobody's going to get hurt, so that later, when there are 70 people on that rocket, it'll be safe. but you know, they're trying to do something that's more complicated than anything they've tried in the past. and and again, i think it's an open question. i know nasa would have some concerns. one of the things we did after the space shuttle accidents is going forward, we said we need to have an escape system on all
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of our vehicles, and that's why there is one on the spacex dragon, which was nasa certified. so, you know, it's this is something to watch as we go forward. and, i'm not really sure how it's going to turn out. >> all right. really interesting. garrett, thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. always a fun time with you guys. >> thanks. >> thank you. so one republican calling it a strategic retreat. critics say the president is flip flopping. ahead on cnn news central. what's behind the wild policy swings by the president? we'll have that next. >> it's very. >> nice going lou. >> nothing like a little confidence boost to help ease you back into the dating scene. of course, that also includes having a smile. you feel good about. fortunately, aspen dental specializes in dentures and implants made just for you, with affordable options and flexible ways to pay. and now they're $0 down plus zero interest if paid in full in 18 months. helping
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