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>> what happens when you put angry cabinet members and elon musk in the same room? the fight house episode? well, who knows? inside the meeting that caused president trump to knock musk down a notch. who knows what really happened inside their plus gene hackman final days, revealed the medical examiner tonight, clearing up all the mysteries except for one. and later, the stephen a smith lebron james confrontation that has sparked a heated debate. tonight on laura coates live. so you know what we learned this week? the true story. what happens when president trump's cabinet working together with elon musk, stops being polite and starts getting real? yes,

the real world white house edition. it was all revealed in a cabinet meeting blowup, one that made trump take away musk's cost cutting chainsaw and left the billionaire with the scalpel instead. it's from new york. it's from new reporting in the new york times, and it spells out how cabinet members just couldn't hold back their anger at musk any longer. apparently, now, this cabinet meeting yesterday was a lot different than the first one. it wasn't televised. two musk showed up in a suit and tie. quite the contrast from his tech support shirt from late february. three maggie haberman of the new york times says musk was on the defensive from the get go. >> at the top of the meeting, musk pointed out that he owns or has three companies that have a market cap of tens of billions of dollars, and that his results speak for themselves. and that sort of set the tone. >> boy, did it set the tone, especially when transportation

secretary sean got his say. who better to challenge musk than the one cabinet member who was an actual real world contestant? >> sean duffy the transportation secretary, had a pretty contentious back and forth with musk. he accused musk of trying to fire air traffic controllers in in the midst of what is a crisis for the faa. musk said that that was a lie and demanded names, and duffy said there there aren't names because i stopped this from happening. >> it got worse from there. enter secretary of state marco rubio. the times reports that rubio had been reportedly stewing for weeks, ever since musk shut down usaid. during this meeting, rubio was incensed as elon musk accused him of failing to slash his staff. but rubio wasn't having it. he accused musk of not being truthful and sarcastically asked if musk wanted him to rehire the 1500. state department

officials, who took buyouts just so he could make a show of firing them again. musk pushed back. he told rubio he was good on tv, the implication being good on tv, but not much else now i'm wondering what trump was doing during this entire dustup. well, apparently not much. >> the president said very little during this meeting. he mostly just watched the spectacle as if he were watching some kind of a sporting event. >> now, trump eventually piped up after the kerfuffle dragged on. he defended rubio, saying he was doing a great job. now, on the topic of sporting events, though, trump was asked about all of this today while announcing a task force to oversee a very different kind of sporting event. >> some details have come out about your cabinet meeting with elon musk and some clashes, potentially between secretary rubio and secretary duffy. >> clash i was there, you're just a troublemaker and you're

not supposed to be asking that question because we're talking about the world cup. elon gets along great with marco and they're both doing a fantastic job. there is no clash. >> other reporters or troublemakers perhaps tried to get more out of trump, but he didn't give them much. >> who has more authority? elon musk or your cabinet secretary? >> any other questions about the world cup? >> you said musk will play an advisory role. doge will play. >> i'm talking about fifa. thank you. >> do you think he needs to be reined in, mr. president? >> enough. it's. fifa. is this a fifa question? >> no it wasn't. it's not often you see the president so shy about giving an answer whether it's true or not, which might tell you something about how this meeting actually went. but if you think trump's relationship with his so-called first buddy is on ice, do not get ahead of your skis. musk was seen in the oval office with trump today, and he got on marine one outside the white house right after the president

here to talk about another wild week in washington. scott jennings, cnn senior political commentator. keith boykin, a democratic strategist and former clinton white house aide. and tara palmeri, senior political correspondent for pac and host of the podcast somebody's got to win. tara, let me begin with you here, because tempers apparently flaring at this explosive cabinet meeting. is that what it takes to maybe move the president? a confrontation, a kind of shouting match? >> i think donald trump enjoys this. in fact, he loves pitting people against each other. we saw that in the first administration, and we see that now in the second administration. he likes to sit back and watch people duke it out. but it is interesting to see him pulling back some of elon musk's power, you know, saying he wants the sledgehammer to be a scalpel, that he wants him to be to really have more of a fine tooth audit of these of these agencies and, you know, these are new cabinet

secretaries, these are new department heads. they are coming in and they have staffs of thousands and thousands of people. they need support within their troops. they cannot just show up there and start mass, like start a massacre and expect to be able to do anything. they're taking on major leadership roles, and they feel like they're being undermined by elon musk. i've heard this for a while. you know, kash patel went to donald trump after elon musk sent out this message saying, you know, reply with the five things you did last week and cc your cc your manager, because he needs to build support with his agents in the field. in the fbi, you need you need to have support of the people who work for you. and he's just undermining these people. >> i mean, the morale building essential. scott. but the new york times is reporting that, and i'm really curious about this, that trump was watching the back and forth between, say, musk and rubio, kind of like a tennis match. did it surprise you that he was willing to have

this discussion happen between these two? >> no, not at all. i mean, let me tell you a tale as old as time. senior white house officials having adult conversations with members of the cabinet. i mean, look, all these people have responsibility, and all of them have the confidence and the pleasure of the president. these cabinet secretaries were hired by donald trump and confirmed by the senate to do a job. and elon musk has been brought in to do a job. and i think donald trump pulled everybody together to say, hey, i need you all to work together. this push and pull between agencies and the white house is perfectly normal. and then when you layer on top of it, the fact that what the trump administration is apparently trying to do is slightly shrink the size of government, that does add a little bit of strain and tension, but again, totally normal. and i think what elon musk has accomplished so far is starting a big conversation in this country about why the government is so large and why it costs so much money to operate. as long as those cabinet secretaries keep that in mind, that the american people want this conversation to go on, i think it's going to be just fine. so i have no concerns about this, and i'm not really

surprised at all that the white house and the cabinet secretaries are having adult conversations with each other. >> gosh, i guess i take issue with the words slightly and normal. neither seem to be apropos these days. you're talking about how things go, keith, but let me ask you this, keith, at this point, duffy calling out doge for trying to cut air traffic controllers, which, as you know, are already in short supply. the fact that there is this, as scott is calling these normal interactions and discussions, perhaps, but the idea of trying to cut into the bone when there have been so many obvious statements about the haphazard nature of these cuts, what is your concern? >> well, you know, laura, you're not supposed to be asking that question. you're only talking about fifa today. that's what. sorry. as donald trump would say. you know, i don't know why scott thinks this is totally normal. we've never had an unelected billionaire, the richest man in the world, and cabinet meetings with the president of united states. before, we've never had a guy

who has $38 billion in government funding dictating to people who are actually cabinet leaders, telling them how to spend their money, whom to cut in their own agencies and departments. it's no wonder marco and and sean duffy and other members of the cabinet are fighting back against this, because they feel like they have no agency over their own departments. so no, it's not normal. and i think elon musk needs to spend more time worrying about the rockets that are falling out of the sky and worried about the tesla. stock price has plummeted 30% this year. and stop trying to follow. and the federal government, the things he doesn't know anything about and things for which he actually has a conflict of interest. it's no wonder the american people are upset about this because they don't like the idea of not not only of having this unelected billionaire running our government, but having him actually making self-dealing decisions while he's receiving government contracts. and trump is allowing this. this is not normal. this is outrageous. and the american people are are concerned about it and will continue to be

concerned because of this. >> scott, what's your response? >> and. >> well, number one, the american people are giving donald trump a net positive job approval right now. number two, according to reporting from our own harry enten at cnn, the american people also appreciate and want this effort by doge. so the idea that there's some mass uprising about the concept of, hey, let's look in and find the waste, fraud and abuse is totally false. and number three, it is completely normal for the president of united states of any time, of any party to hire advisors, to work with his government to meet the president's objectives. one of the president's objectives is, hey, can we operate the government a little more efficiently, maybe make it a little smaller? i mean, look what's happened in the last five years. in 2019, we spent about 4.5 trillion. today we're spending about 6.5 trillion. the government is much more expensive and much more expansive than it was just five years ago. and it's probably due in some regard to covid, but it costs a lot of money to operate. and the question all

republicans have is, does it have to be this big, and does it have to cost this much money? it's a legitimate question, and i'm glad trump and elon and the cabinet secretaries are talking about it. >> tara. tara, i cut you off. what was your comment? i'll get right back to you. >> okay. elon musk yeah, elon musk is not the only unelected billionaire with kind of superseding powers over cabinet members. right now. you've got steve witkoff, donald trump's best friend, a billionaire real estate developer who seems to have an expansive portfolio from the middle east now to solving the war in ukraine. he also has, you know, done deals with qatar, sold the park lane hotel that he owned to qatar, and with the uae. and he's another one. you have mark burnett, you know, the apprentice producer who's a special envoy. there's a whole other fiefdom in state of trump's friends, very wealthy friends who are also controlling cabinet members. so i can kind of understand why marco rubio had this sort of reaction, because he's been in a bit of a

power struggle already, having, you know, special envoys sort of in oversight over him. >> keith yeah. >> i just want to say, in terms of what scott was saying about waste, fraud and abuse, i live here in los angeles, in california, and just today, new reporting came out that the u.s. army corps of engineers wasted 2.5 billion gallons of water so trump could stage a photo op long after the california wildfires had already been contained, just so he could post it on his social media. donald trump's cuts to usaid meant that half $1 billion of food was spoiled on docks and warehouses, because there was the abrupt, abrupt cut, didn't allow that food to get transferred to where it needed to go because of donald trump. they spent $200 million to the department of homeland security just to thank this guy, just to thank donald trump at his orders. that's waste, fraud and abuse. not to mention the $400 million going to elon musk for his cybertruck. this is the waste, fraud and abuse in america. it's not

because of of the federal workers doing their jobs. it's because donald trump is self-dealing. >> scott is rolling his eyes. >> why can i answer that? yeah, i just i just wanted to answer the criticisms. number one, the cybertruck deal you mentioned was made under joe biden and canceled by donald trump. number two, if i may comment on the los angeles situation. >> not that., because this hasn't this this hasn't been this hasn't been covered. >> i wrote about it for the los angeles times this week, actually, the trump administration and the state of california are working incredibly closely together. and the epa under donald trump has completed the phase one cleanup in the wildfire zone in los angeles in a record 29 days. the estimates were it was going to take 18 months. but this is the cleanup of the hazardous material that you have to do in order to start rebuilding 29 days. so all this idea that there's photo ops and waste and fraud and whatever, and that donald trump was going to abandon california and l.a. >> respond to. >> the epa under donald. >> trump, 29 days. >> so actually, there's quite a bit of confidence in the government working out because donald. >> trump's now water that he

wasted. you didn't respond to the 2.5 billion gallons. >> of think. i don't i don't think. >> i don't think. >> i don't think you're i don't think you're right about it. i don't think you're right about it. that's what i think. >> well. >> it's in your los angeles times, dot. >> well, here in los angeles, i want to say this, though, and. >> i don't want to cut you off, keith, but this point, scott, can you reconcile what i think is the larger issue that keith and tara are raising, as many others have as well? can you reconcile the idea of the premise of trying to stop waste, fraud, and abuse as a goal, which i think is universally lauded and the means by which you do so? do you see a disconnect between the methodology and the ends trying to justify the means? >> it's universally lauded, but then when you try to do it, it's universally opposed by every democrat and every, you know, person that's got a specific republicans have. >> taken issue with. >> how we see i mean, everybody, everybody, everybody says, oh, i want to do this. and then when it comes down to actually doing

it, nobody actually wants to do it. so they show up and say, no, no, we're going to actually do it. the american people want them to do it, and they are finding things and they need to do it. and the other thing they need to do, honestly, is build a presentation and go to capitol hill and talk to the congress about what they're doing and get buy in from the congress. and also tell the american people that would be the the next evolution of this. so no, i don't see any disconnect here. the disconnect is all politicians say they want to do it. only donald trump and elon musk are trying to do it. and that's why everybody in washington is up in arms. >> oh, if only we gave. >> a for effort. these are. >> for trying to do it. by the way cnn did report on the doge actually using that water in the way that keith has reported. what is your point, keith no, but, laura, these are not democrats who are saying these are trump's cabinet officials who are arguing with elon musk in the cabinet room. >> it's not keith boykin in the cabinet room. this is marco rubio and sean duffy and other officials in the trump cabinet who were saying, we don't like what you're doing. you're

overdoing it. we have good people who are working for the federal government who don't need to be demonized, who need to be inspired to continue to do their work. and yes, if there are cuts to be made, we can make them, but we don't need some unelected, unelected outsider coming and telling us how to run our departments. every american should be upset by this. elon musk was not on the ballot last year. in fact, they ran. they ran. pretending that he was not was not even involved with this. >> it was a pleasure. well, joe biden was on the ballot. >> at one time, and he never and i don't think he ever ran the country for one single day. keith. so, you know, i. >> knew that. >> was collected. people running the country. let me let me introduce you to the biden-harris administration. >> well, allow me to reintroduce myself. i'm the host. thank you for joining everyone. nice talking to you. happy friday. up next, what ronald reagan once said about tariffs that's making the rounds in the c-suite. could it lead some business leaders to speak up against trump? we'll ask anthony scaramucci that and much more next. and later, all the gene hackman conspiracy theories are debunked as the new mexico medical examiner reveals

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>> on twitter. breaking the bird premieres sunday at ten on cnn. >> well, president trump's economic agenda and his erratic tariff policy sent markets plummeting this week and left business leaders blind at the wheel. today, the s&p rebounded slightly, but ended the week down 3.1%. that's the sharpest weekly decline since before the 2024 election. and the tariffs seesaw continues, with trump threatening reciprocal tariffs today on dairy and lumber from canada. that's just one day after he delayed tariffs on the country until april. the turmoil, frankly, has many c-suites recalling these

cautionary words from president ronald reagan back in 1987. >> high tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars. the result is more and more tariffs, higher and higher trade barriers, and less and less competition. so soon because of the prices made artificially high by tariffs that subsidize inefficiency and poor management, people stop buying. then the worst happens. markets shrink and collapse, businesses and industries shut down, and millions of people lose their jobs. >> joining us now is anthony scaramucci. he's a former white house communications director and author of the book from wall street to the white house and back. he's also the founder and managing partner for skybridge capital. anthony, good to see you. i mean, you've seen this week markets plunging the on again off again tariffs. and you've got trump with russia and sympathizing with them. i mean how are business leaders feeling right now.

>> well i think it's the business leaders that are circulating the ronald reagan clip. i think people have to remember the history of this, though, during that presidency, donald trump took out a full page ad in the new york times, 1987, decrying our trade policies. and unfortunately for donald trump, he's back 38 years. in the ensuing 38 years. laura, we fully integrated our economy with mexico and canada and other parts of the world. and so the tariffs would probably sounded very good to him. in 1987. didn't sound good to ronald reagan at all, are not suitable for the current global economy. i just want to give one quick example. we have lobster farmers that send for processing their lobster to canada. that's a 25% tariff. on the way back. it's another 25% tariff. and if donald trump escalates that, you could have a 75% increase in the price of lobster. there are so many examples like that. our refineries are set up for alberta crude. it's sort of a

heavier crude. and so if they start shipping that away, we're going to have to retool our refineries at great capital cost. so so i just wish somebody reasonable would get to the president and say, yes, your idea was possibly sound and debatable. in 1987, but it's going to hurt everybody here in 2025. >> i mean, that time machine is a powerful reminder, as are the markets on a daily basis this week. you know, trump, you worked in his first administration. how much is his back and forth a reaction to those markets as opposed to something else. >> yeah, i would say markets plus business leadership. i think the executives in the automobile companies got to him lobbying people, got to his staff. people are in his ear telling him it's going to cost $12,000 more to make an automobile. here in the united states, if you have this aluminum war going on with canada, remember, they're also selling electricity now into southern california because of what happened with the brush

fires. you don't want a full on trade war where there's bellicosity of rhetoric and then there's aggressive trade action, the type of stuff that donald trump, trump is capable of. but ronald reagan wasn't. and so again, we got to get somebody in there to just explain to the president the economy is completely different. you can't pull on a string of tariffs on one side. and not to expect to unravel the stock market, unravel the gdp and hurt lower and middle income workers. well. >> who is that person that could give that insight? i mean. >> i was hoping i was hoping it'd be howard, i hope i was hoping it'd be howard lutnick. howard knows scott scott bessent secretary bessent knows he wrote an article 6 or 8 months ago. you could find it online talking about the dangers of the tariffs. what happens is you want to talk about a time machine. they go into the trump hot tub and they sit in the hot tub with him. you know, like the hot tub time machine. and they're passing cigars to each other and laughing. and they're sitting there agreeing with the president where they should be saying to him, no, you're back

in 1987. it's possibly a good year for you, but ronald reagan is correct. and we made a decision, whether you like it or not, to go forward with reagan's strategy. and these pieces, this global economy is fully integrated. you start this trade war. you're going to be very, very sorry. you're going to get crushed in the midterms. you're going to slip the economy into a recession. and so why not play nice to use a donald trump expression and see if you can get everybody at the table and calm down. and by the way, he negotiated these deals, laura, the usmca was negotiated by donald trump. he put a tweet out six years ago saying it was the best trade deal that's ever been negotiated. now he's pulling the rug on that trade deal, not helping us, creating a lot of unpredictability in the markets. and it's a bad setup for forward capital deployment for the nation's businesses, large and small. >> we'll see who will be that voice of reason and if the

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play. with me now, joseph scott morgan, a former medical examiner in atlanta and distinguished scholar of applied forensics at jacksonville state university. professor, thank you for being here. i mean, these details devastating to hear. a lot of questions can be raised. of course, you initially said their deaths didn't seem to make any sense. what do you make of what we've learned tonight? >> yeah. it's heartbreaking. thanks for having me back. yeah. you know, i had contemplated this scenario, and there have been cases similar to this over the years where you have an individual that is suffering from dementia and they have a caretaker at home. the caretaker passes on. and many times it's catastrophic. you can have the patient themself that will eventually succumb. and sometimes there have been cases where they've just been found wandering about. and i thought that maybe that was the case early on. and it's horrible to

contemplate that. but it was you know, i appreciate their candor today. at the presser, because there were a lot of questions, i think probably roughly about 95% of all of the data that we needed was provided. we still don't know a lot about miss arakawa's previous medical history because, yeah, she had been diagnosed with hantavirus at autopsy. >> and what exactly is that, by the way? i mean, i had never heard of this before. and a correlation to rodents. what is it and how does it spread? >> yeah, it is correlated to rodents and specifically new mexico is now known by some sources as a hotbed for it. and it's particularly as it applies to what are referred to as deer mice, which they have quite the population there. and so this particular virus can only be passed from the rodent to a human, and it's not passed, contrary to what people might think from rodent to dog. the upside is that what we

understand is it can't go from human to human. so it's not something that she would have passed along to. mr. gene hackman. but if she had any kind of underlying heart condition or anything like that, they didn't really talk about that. she would have been greatly compromised by this virus. it would have essentially pushed her over the edge because it initially presents as a flu, and it can take up 1 to 8 weeks to really present. and she would have had a fever initially lethargy, this sort of thing. and then it gets into the lungs. this is where this pulmonary syndrome comes in. and it's not necessarily like a pneumonia, but her lungs would have been very heavy. it would have been a real struggle. but you know, what's amazing is that she's last known alive on the 11th. remember, she used her card key to get into the neighborhood. she had been seen at cvs. she had been seen at the farmer's market. she had even been to the pet store, and. but she was masked up while she was, while she was out and about. and, of

course, mr. hackman was probably at home by himself. and the last recorded activity they have on the pacemaker, of course, is the 17th, you know, and so we're looking at maybe 5 to 6 days, perhaps, that she had been down and he may have been in that house by himself. >> to hear the stories and to think about what, by all accounts, was a great love story between the two. very heartbreaking. but the family certainly. yes it is. i wish them peace and having some semblance of answers tonight. joseph scott morgan, thank you so much. >> thank you ma'am. >> still ahead, should america be spending taxpayer dollars to study something that's already been researched at length before? well, tonight hhs says. yep. take you inside the new controversial order that has rfk jr.. s critics pouncing. plus, lebron james, stephen a smith and the heated debate taking over the sports world. >> this is one of the most ridiculous controversies in the

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january. >> if the data is brought to you, and these studies that have been out there for quite some time and they've been peer reviewed, and it shows that these two vaccines are not associated with autism, will you ask? no, i need even more. or will you say, no, this, this, this i see this. it's stood the test of time. and i unequivocally and without qualification say that this does not cause autism. >> not only will i do that, but i will apologize for any statements that misled people otherwise. >> mm. >> well, joining me now, doctor deborah burke. she is the former coronavirus response coordinator for the trump white house. doctor burke, thank you for being here. i my initial question is who who would have made this kind of directive? would it have come from the hhs secretary or something else? >> i'm hoping what it means, because remember, just a few days ago, he put out a really critical statement saying measles is very serious. please get vaccinated, protect yourself, protect your children, protect the community. i thought

that was terrific. i think many people didn't expect that he would do that. i think it had a huge impact. it had a huge impact on those who were hesitant and vaccine rates, and they're doing great vaccination. and hhs is giving them funding to expand vaccination all through the counties that are most likely impacted. i'm hoping this means that he just wants a summary of all the work that has been done to date, that has proven that there is not a link. >> are you being too optimistic in that summary? >> because i'm optimistic after what he just put out about saying, please get vaccinated. >> let me ask. i mean, he's the cdc has already published multiple studies that show no link between autism and vaccines. and so would a summary even be worth taxpayer dollars? or is the point to try to dispel sort of finally, and once and for all, this notion? >> i'm hoping that it's the second part you just articulated so well. i'm really hoping that this means just asked to be put

out. this statement about measles and vaccination and importance of childhood vaccines. i'm hoping that at this moment, he will be able to say, and i looked into the autism piece. i had our top public health agency summarize and do a meta analysis of all the studies to date, and i'm convinced that there's not a link. but i'm also committed to parents that will find out what is associated with autism, because it's really important with the rates that you're seeing. and every parent knows a child now that has autism in their group, in their school. and that's very different than 20 years ago. i'm hoping they use this opportunity to try to figure out why has this rate of autism increase? it's not just increased diagnosis. >> we had on the screen just now that some of those rates that have been talked about, i mean, and just i looked at it in autism, 1 in 36 children were shown to be on the spectrum in 2020. that's up from 150 back in 2000. so there is a concern that people have as to explaining why and why specifically. so what else would

need to be studied to find out that? why? >> i think the way you just stated that is the critical point, because autism rates are increasing, but childhood vaccines, the ones we're using today, my children got and i'm not exactly young anymore. so, you know, so. >> these vaccines. >> have been used for 30 or 40 years when the autism rates were pretty steady. and now autism has increased. so being able to show very clearly that there is not only not a causal relationship, but autism has been increasing despite the fact that our childhood vaccines have remained very consistent. the key ones for the viruses that we have added components to the vaccines. but we have to remember that's really to protect them. their child, particularly like h flu and pneumovax that's to decrease their rate of otitis media and try to decrease the issues that come with learning from having constant otitis media. and it's worked. so, you know, and there's no link of those

vaccines to autism. and so the fact that we've given these vaccines for decades and we've just seen over the last couple of decades an increase really to me is a red alert that we really have to look at this. and the same thing about cancer starting to increase in 30 to 40 year olds. we have to figure this out so we can protect the american people. >> speaking of protection, i mean, this measles outbreak, i know you've been studying it. you've been working in a lot of rural communities as well. doctor birx, how concerned are you about this measles outbreak? is it going to be confined to particular areas, or is there the potential that it could run rampant? >> well, we always have measles introduced over the last many years, and our vaccination rates have been extraordinarily high. they have been decreasing since covid. it's our largest decline has occurred in the last four years since covid. and i think that's because there's confusion between how childhood vaccines work and create long term herd immunity and the covid vaccine. that was a very short term protection. and trying to really

explain that to people, it's very, very different. and i think that caused confusion. i think explaining it clearly that childhood vaccines protect your child for years and years, maybe decades, is really critically important. so you're protecting them for today and tomorrow. the outbreak is primarily out of the 222 cases that cdc just put up on their website today, because they refresh it every friday. so i'm. they did it at noon. so i always like checking. checking. they have 222 cases, 198 are in gaines county. and the counties immediately next door. okay. and it looks like in my eyes that we've plateaued, which is very good sign. now, i don't know how many other counties have been seated due to local travel, and we'll be tracking that very closely. but this outbreak looks like it's finally at its peak in those counties. now, the question will be as it's moved into new mexico because they've gone from 30 cases, ten cases to

30 cases just in the last week, they may just be starting. and i have to look at what their vaccination rates are. and so there's still time no matter where you live in the united states, please go back and check. i think a lot of children did miss. remember, this is the children that covid hit, right? and so they turned one when covid 2020. and so they would just be in preschool and kindergarten now. and so maybe some of them only got one shot. and you can see from the early data that's coming out from this particular outbreak that children who got one shot are at risk. so check. >> important so important to keep track of that for your children. thank you so much, doctor birx. >> great being with you. >> i certainly hope the plateau sustains. absolutely. still ahead, we've got more on this courtside confrontation seeing around the sports world. lebron james seemingly chewing out stephen a smith for talking about his son bronny. what stephen a out of bounds. or was lebron got cory champion and

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parent. that was a father. he clearly took exception to some of the things that he heard me say, and he confronted me about it. >> stephen a has been critical of bronny james performance in the nba. he's repeatedly expressed that he, quote, isn't ready. who's right here? >> you know what? if i'm honest with you, laura, i think they're both right. i think that as a father, lebron is like, you can't talk about my son that way. outside of the fact that, yes, i know that he is a rookie in this business. and yes, i know that i have a lot to do with him being drafted, but he is still my son first and foremost before the title, before an nba player. on the other hand, stephen a is paid to do exactly that, which is why he received that huge contract. he is paid to make critiques. he is an analyst as we are, and he he calls it like he sees it. however, stephen a said that he has never said anything bad

about bronny. his main issue was about why would lebron put his son in this position, and that also is inaccurate. so if i'm looking at outside looking in, they both have very, very, very legitimate reasons for why they feel as if they could say what they want to say. but lebron is a father first, and so i can empathize with the parents protecting their son. that's his first thing. my wife is looking at me crazy. people are talking to me like, why is he? why are you letting this man talk about your son that way? he wanted to protect him. it's very fair. >> well, scott, you have, i think, 37 kids. i'm only kidding. we joke around, but you have many kids, scott. but i want to play for you what stephen has. >> i'm not saying no. no. >> go ahead. >> i'm not at elon. i'm not. i'm not at elon level yet. i knew. >> that was coming. i knew it, i knew it. i was wondering if you were going to say it. i was. i led you in that bait. that hook. it's in your cheek, my friend. listen to what stephen had to say about bronny, though. >> as a.

>> father. >> stop this. stop this. we all know that bronny james is in the nba because of his dad. there are millions of kids out there starving to play in an nba game that are more qualified than his stats show. >> scott, is it appropriate for lebron to have confronted him? >> look, lebron is a huge baby. the only reason that his son is in this position right now is because his dad demanded that he be put in the league. he's not ready to be in the league, and that's just a fact. i mean, anybody can watch the game and know that that's number one. number two. stephen a smith is well within his rights to criticize this. number three. and i just want to make a political point. if stephen a smith expects to be the president of the united states, which it sounds like he does expect to be, that someday he's going to have to tighten up and toughen up a little bit. when i heard him talk about this this morning, i heard someone who had been backed down a little bit, who had been sort of cowed a little bit by lebron james

brother. if you run for president or become the president, you're going to have a lot tougher conversations with a lot more important people. so toughen up and stand by your criticism. but i think in this case, lebron james huge baby, huge baby. >> carrie. he's not a baby. he is a father. and that was his reaction as a father. scott, i'd like to see if any of your kids ever make it to any type of professional level of sport, and they are being criticized. you would feel a way. that's just a fact. you can't deny that. secondly, stephen isn't a baby. i'm not defending stephen a but what he's saying is i have empathy, i understand, i have i'm a father of two girls. i understand what it feels like to want to protect your children. it wasn't about toughening up. it was like, okay, maybe let me take a pause. and when you talk about qualified politically, scott, this is not a time or a space for you to talk about people not being qualified for positions that they are given because they are friendly with people. you. well, you know, as i know, there are positions that are being handed out right now to people who are in this current administration who are

not qualified. this is not this is not. >> to say i mean, maybe it's the mommy and me, but i think about bronny as well. i mean, i know he's coming as the father, and stephen has his own angle. of course, as a commentator and talking about it. but, i mean, if you're if you're bronny, you want to play and this is this is the cloud under which you are playing. >> that's why you don't see a lot of that. you don't see many nba players having sons. if you have a success like michael jordan's son didn't play, i think of magic johnson's son. i think of these players who were who, who belong on mount rushmore of basketball. their sons didn't play. it's very rare what we see with dell curry and steph curry. dell curry wasn't as great as his son. so you don't have this cloud under you. this has never been done before. and i have no problem with nepotism because we see it all the time. so it's okay. his son is in the g league. he's filling it out. it's okay. i'm okay with it. in this instance. scott. >> are you okay with it? scott scott's arms are crossed. >> yeah.

>> look, scott, i feel bad for the kid because. because i feel bad for the kid. because his dad makes the lakers put him in the league. he's clearly not ready for it. and then his dad's mad that everybody happened to notice the kid's been put in a bad spot. but lebron james my gosh, look around brother. you're one of the you know you're the third or fourth greatest nba player of all time. you know he's not ready. you know he's not ready. >> well goodness i would love to see scott jennings try to take on any part of bronny james i'm now i'm intrigued by what this would look like and see who's ready. but you know what i don't want? i'm not going to start arguing. >> i'm not arguing. i'm a great basketball player. i'm a commentator just like everybody else. >> well, i'm a great basketball player. i don't don't speak for me and what i can do on a court. scott jennings, we don't know what laura coates can do on a court. we don't know what five, three and a half looks like in shorts. thank you very much. >> more plays point. and i