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what's happening right now on cnn this morning. >> near term, we've got a biden economy. >> you can't disregard the damage that the biden administration did. >> stocks plunged, sparking fears of a recession that trump administration blames biden. do the voters buy that? plus, this. >> you're not going to get a ceasefire in an end of this war unless both sides make concessions. >> u.s. and ukraine holding crucial peace talks right now about ending russia's war. what concessions will ukraine have to make? then later., we are going on the presumption that she's still alive. >> we want to make sure that that we're exhausting every possible lead that we can. >> a desperate search for a missing american in the dominican republic. new, new details about the last time she was seen. and later, the menendez brothers bid for freedom. hits a roadblock. why?

a top prosecutor says they should stay in prison. it's 6 a.m. here on the east coast. a live look at the city that never sleeps new york. good morning. also, all eyes on wall street there before the opening bell. good morning, i'm audie cornish. i want to thank you for waking up with me. we're going to talk this morning about tariff threats, recession fears, mounting layoffs and falling consumer confidence. stay with me. we're talking about how all of this fuels economic uncertainty. and we've seen that now in a sell off in u.s. stocks. here's a look at u.s. futures for today. so here we are just a few hours away from the new york stock exchange opening. the markets were basically hit with really heavy losses on monday. the dow and and the s&p 500 both posted their worst days of the year.

and the nasdaq saw its biggest single day decline since 2022. now this selloff was met largely with silence from the white house. president trump stayed out of sight on monday. members of his administration say that they do think there's someone to blame. >> near term, we've got a biden economy that still most of the biden policies are in place. if you look at the atlanta fed gdp now number, it's showing negative first quarter, which is kind of, if you like, a metric of the inheritance of president biden. >> individual companies are also feeling the squeeze. delta slashed its earnings forecast in half on monday over what the airline calls quote, a recent reduction in consumer and corporate confidence, a loss in confidence which could have wider consequences, according to former treasury secretary larry summers. >> on january 1st, no one thought that a recession was a

substantial likelihood, and today market prices and consensus opinions of economists suggest a very real risk of recession. >> joining me now to talk about all of this. jackie kucinich, cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief for the washington for the boston globe. chuck rocha, former senior advisor for bernie sanders presidential campaigns. and ashley davis, former white house official under george w. bush. i want to bring it to the group chat now because and maybe start with you, ashley, welcome to the table. thank you. can you have and complain about biden nomics without biden? >> i don't think this ever works. first of all, good morning and thanks for having me on your show. and your voice is so calming. i don't think that blaming a prior administration is ever a good idea, because you're automatically looking like you're on the defense. >> yeah, also checks notes. it's march. like it is not a

january conversation. >> exactly, but it is 50 days in. however, this is this is around trump's neck right now. and obviously what the markets like. we are still in a bull market, which i think is very important. however, i think that what markets obviously love is certainty and stability. and that is not what these what trump's doing in regards to tariffs is really what's happening and showing them, you know, the stability that they need. so i think we're going to continue to see this for a while. on the tariffs i think. >> well hold on one second. i want to stay with the market for one second, because we all thought that that was a barometer, that donald trump was happy about. you're calling it a bear market. but here's what trump had to say when he was asked about people having an eye on the stocks. >> what i have to do is build a strong country. you can't really watch the stock market. if you look at china, they have a 100 year perspective. we have a quarter. we go by quarters. that's true. and you can't go by that. you have to do what's

right. >> it sounds like someone who's looking at a stock market that's not doing too great, because we know that president trump watches the stock market. it's one of the only things that causes him to change course. it's likely why we've kind of seen this back and forth and back and forth with the tariffs. so it that's fine what you said there. but i think in reality we know this is someone he brags about it cares about it. he cares about it. >> very much. i'll say that i'm one of these people that's like the stock market is not the economy. they are not the exact same thing. however, they are a vote, right? like, and when trump came into office, the markets were like, we're into this deregulation. it was a party and now you're seeing them in real time. basically decide actually one to many markets don't know what's going to happen next. and that's bad. >> it's really bad. and it's bad for folks that are out there. like we voted for something different. we thought joe biden was old and weak or feeble, whatever they thought they wanted to go or take a chance with donald trump for one

reason and in focus group after focus group all around the country was about the economy and what we've talked about on this program, which was affordability, regular folks, to your point about i don't care what the stock market is doing, eggs are this price. gas is this price that hits them in the face every day. during the last speech to the joint sessions, he mentioned biden over 20 times, and now he's mentioning biden again. that only goes so far. but donald trump is really good at blaming somebody and going after him being the victim. but that time is running out. >> let me show you grocery prices right now, because there have been some monthly increases over december. i think eggs are up 19%, coffee is up 4%. shout out to my husband, who's probably panicking when he sees that cookies are up. shout out to my kids who are not going to like that. bacon and flour. these are small increases now, but for people who are already price sensitive, which i'm under the impression voters were the last two years, aren't they going to feel it? >> yesterday? i'll put on my twitter in case. for those of you following my twitter, that in florida at my favorite mexican restaurant, they put a

note on the door that there's no more free chips and salsa because of the price of terrorists and the things that are going on with mexico and canada right now. and that's where real people start feeling when they're used to getting free chips and. >> salsa on the salsa index. >> you're exactly right on that one. as i ate mexican last night. but i do. more importantly, the reason biden was not popular at the end. i mean, there's obviously many reasons, but one of the main is exactly what you said the markets were good, but you weren't feeling it on main street. and this is actually what's happened now, even though we're all watching what's happening in the markets, i don't know if everyday americans are watching the markets as close as we are, but the egg prices and some of these prices that people are going to the grocery store can't afford x, y and z is what's really going to impact them. and trump said he could change it on day one. obviously, that's part of his bravado, but that's what everyone's going to watch and measure. >> all right, i want you guys to stick around because we have a lot more to talk about this hour. this is a great, fun group, so i'm loving the energy coming up on cnn this morning,

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72% of u.s. adults said covid did more to drive the country apart than to bring it together. now, because with the pandemic came this mountain of misinformation that also triggered distrust in u.s. institutions. >> many people argue that this pandemic was a pandemic, that it was planned from the outset, that it's part of a sinister scheme. i can't tell you the answer to that. i don't have enough evidence. a lot of it feels very bland to me. >> the pandemic has changed so many dynamics here, whether we're talking about schools, public health and just office culture, not to mention our politics. so i want to start with the group chat. i know where i was in march 2029 months pregnant and wondering if i had to tie a handkerchief on my face on the way to the hospital. chuck, i want to start with you. what do you think has changed when you think about impact? >> i remember where i was two, i had to shut down a presidential

campaign. it was march of a presidential year. what we don't think about. and it was the end of that primary for the democrats in 2020. and i remember getting the call of because i helped run the office here, shut everything down. >> which candidate, again. bernie sanders. okay. but i mentioned because an older candidate, right in a moment that people started to be concerned about. >> about that we were talking off air and i was like, oh, i remember where i was, because it was very moving that i had to let a thousand people go over 30 days, and i couldn't look eye to eye with. it was very it was something that really made me very sad because we'd spent so much time together. and what's changed now with this is the way we looked at it then, and the way we look at it now. i would remind everybody that donald trump just signed an executive order for every military person who refused to take the test to reinstate them. that's how far we've come on this disease. >> ashley. >> yeah, it's a very complicated topic. i was actually still in washington at my office. i told my team that i was going to close down the office as the. speaking of the stock market, remember how that was free falling that week? and then i said, don't worry, guys, we'll be back in the office on monday.

>> spoiler alert they would not be back on monday. that is not. but that. >> brings us. >> to a big change for office culture. when you think about so many offices and retail spaces and downtowns around the country, that fundamentally suffered economically and how much that drove voter anger. >> and and also, if you even look what mayor bowser is doing here in washington, d.c., she is begging people, the federal government to come back to work, because my office was at 12th and pennsylvania. so around all those offices that just all the restaurants around were just completely closed. but i do have to say one thing that i wish would go back is why can't we go back to regular phone calls? everyone still wants to have a zoom. >> plea from gen x asking for the phone calls. jackie kucinich. >> well, no, it's funny, not funny. but chuck mentioned shutting down the campaign. i had reporters in the field, and they were. and one of them actually sent me his story from

trying to go to the bernie sanders rally and that he said, happy anniversary. this is when everything shut down and getting them home, trying to figure out how to cover a presidential campaign during a pandemic, which is very different than trying to run one, was also a challenge because i feel like when you're thinking about coverage, you kind of harken to the past. and we were in completely uncharted territory at that point. >> i don't know about you, but you know, you heard the health and human services secretary sort of being like, is it planned? who among us do your research, which i feel like is one of the mantras that came out of that. i also think about maybe the i hesitate to use this word, but kind of radicalization of, say, parents, right? people who were really upset about those school closures and were struggling at home, struggling to be heard. they became a voting bloc. >> exposed a lot of weakness in our society because we weren't prepared for that. and now you skip forward to today. what's happening five years later is you have a measles outbreak in

texas because folks don't trust vaccines because of things that are spread on the internet. that's where you see from the beginning of this, have shut everything down to at the end, where we're having to live through something else happening in texas. >> yeah. >> but the other consequence, probably because of that, i mean, i'm old enough to remember when the current president was really trying to get a vaccine as fast as humanly possible in order to send get people back to work, to get back to normalcy. and you don't hear him or any of the advisers talk about that now. >> and in fact, i think the federal government is no longer offering free vaccines. >> i don't think they are definitely not tests. i think that ended, too. but from my homeland security background, especially after 9/11, knowing where people, bad people around the world watch. here's my thought on this. you watched how the world shut down over this virus. and so if you ever think of biological warfare as a weapon, like they did in regards to planes, to us in 2001, the society around the world shut

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in just a few hours. that's according to a source. the meeting comes ahead of an expected vote this afternoon on the house gop funding plan. and in just a few hours, we're going to see how the stock market responds to the dive that stocks took yesterday. the nasdaq had its biggest single day loss since 2022. those market sell offs, just part of a broader economic picture, worrying some economists. the on again, off again tariffs are also fueling uncertainty with one of america's largest trading partners. some canadian provinces firing back by pulling u.s. alcohol products from liquor stores. canadian politicians also taking a stand against the threats of tariffs from the trump administration. >> if the president is so interested in canadian. >> water. >> then we're going to help him out by letting him keep his watery beer. the feeling that many british columbians have now, when we look at american products, we don't even want to see them on the shelf anymore.

>> joining me now to talk about this is roben farzad, host of full disclosure podcast on npr one. and we just heard the premier of british columbia saying, canadians don't even want to see u.s. products on the shelves. so this is escalating. and i recall warren buffett saying that tariffs are kind of a war tool. can you talk about what it means to see it escalate abroad? >> you play funky new games. you win funky new prizes. >> that's not how the quote goes. yeah. >> no, but you know, it's. >> yeah. >> we're an nc 17 program. but i got to tell you, that's the thing. markets. if put all this stuff aside earnings price to earnings ratio inflation the fed that's a headache unto itself. and then you throw in this kind of you know by choice. we try to slap our allies in these borders with massive tariffs. and you see the back and forth back and forth. the retrenchment every day wall street and mom and pop and small and medium businesses

and liquor stores even have to calculate the repercussions. you're going to sell stocks. you're not going to want to be in that uncertainty. i mean, the world was far less uncertain before this. tariffs regime. >> another canadian premier, outspoken, saying that i think it's doug ford saying on monday, this about the u.s. >> if necessary. if the united states escalates, i will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. believe me when i say i do not want to do this. i feel terrible for the american people because it's not the american people who started this trade war. it's one person who's responsible. that's president trump. >> i want to play one more quote for you, because i did not expect to put these two things together. senator john kennedy, a republican from louisiana. >> i think the real reason that the market had such an ugly day, and it was ugly was was concern

about president trump's tariffs. and i'll be glad to talk about that. but i wouldn't trade the american economy for any other economy in the world right now. >> can you give me the reaction to talking about trump specifically? right from every direction people are saying it's not like broader risks, other things. it's like one person. >> you have to show fealty here in the united states. i mean, you have very back in the day, you have old chamber of commerce republicans who are in private kind of voicing concerns about this, but overwhelmingly, my sources in the gop on the hill are saying that this is medicine, that the u.s. economy has to take to inoculate itself from foreign raids, the likes of which mexico and, you know, trump was talking about japan in the 1980s this way. so even the friendliest i mean, you talk about taking for granted the

fact that we have electricity fungible across the border. you do not have to irritate that. but the republicans and especially the white house are saying we have to set these things into place to make a level playing field for the new global trade order and the markets and their political capital can take the hit for the time being. he's still above water. >> roben farzad, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> my pleasure. thank you audie. >> back to secretary of state marco rubio talks with ukrainian officials in saudi arabia. that meeting got underway about an hour ago. >> right now, we're really in listening mode. we may have suggestions if they ask, but we really want to sort of ascertain where they stand on this and what they're willing to do in order to achieve peace. it may be incompatible with what the russians are willing to do. that's what we need to find out. >> rubio also says this meeting will be key to ending the u.s. pause on military aid to ukraine. i got the group chat back. ashley from the bush era

bush administration, when people talked about democracy being in of itself, a good in which the u.s. had to pursue, promote, sometimes using military support. can you talk to me about what it is you see as trying to be done here, in terms of bringing russia to the table? >> yes. well, first of all, you have to remember, under bush, he always made a very big effort to get along with putin as well. remember, he looked through his eyes at his soul. i don't know if you guys remember. >> yeah. you're taking it back. yeah. yeah, yeah. >> i'm showing how old i am. >> no, no, no, it's a good quote. >> but i do think that there has to be some sort of engagement. listen, i'm a hawk, however, and i support the ukrainian war. and what we did. however, there needs to become an end to this conflict in some way, and i think. >> can i ask? and i don't mean to interrupt, but there is something i think you're uniquely positioned to talk about. the concern is if you don't stop russia in a meaningful way and make them feel as though there's a boundary here, they will be

back. that is the argument from ukraine. that is the argument from baltic states. that is the argument from nato. >> and the same thing with china. and i agree with that 100%. i think what trump's trying to do is make sure that other countries are stepping up as well. the u.s. is always the one that comes in as the biggest economy and the best military in the world. however, i think that there were several frustrations from my understand that biden had, as well as president trump has in regards to how zelenskyy was selling, using our money, using our using our military things. so i think that there's a big difference, but we have to come to some conclusion. >> i was thinking about this as you were talking. all donald trump cares about is ending the war. he wants to be able to say at all. >> costs. >> i know that and i love that, but he cares at all costs, no matter what it costs the ukrainian people, no matter what it looks like. if russia can beat their chest and say, now that we're a global leader world, whatever, he just wants to be able to listen to political consultant. he just

wants to be able to look in the camera and say, i fixed this. i told you, i can't. just like, i'll fix that stock market if you give me a couple of years. >> a couple of years. jack, i want to ask you, i don't know what your reporters are hearing from lawmakers or even out of the white house about, like, how do you talk about this? you know, is our sanctions done? is funding over for ukraine? like, where's the action behind trump's rhetoric? >> well, i think in the trump era, you get very used to lawmakers who don't want to talk about it, saying, i haven't seen that fair. >> fair. >> but but i do think i mean, there is still among some republicans support for ukraine. and you saw that after that disastrous white house meeting, the kind of the cringe from that side. but i think there's a reason that marco rubio had so many votes in the senate. and i think a lot of them. >> trust him. >> i think i think there's still a lot of trust, and the fact that he is, you know, has been empowered as far as we know.

>> in a way, are people looking at marco rubio performance in the state department, or is it just driven by trump? and he's kind of a side person. >> it's still run by the president, and it always will be. the personalities just too big. but i do think that that senator rubio, now secretary rubio is a good person and good representative. >> of our country, has been through a lot of state, you know, secretaries of state. right. when you think back to the first term. >> can i hit on something real quick that i've heard over and over again from this administration? off the record, and that this is one move in a chess game of a, of a bigger chess. this is one move in a bigger chess game. there's my quote. yeah. because in the end game is china having putin more of our ally helps us. at the end of the day, fight china. and so i'm not saying right or wrong, i do understand that that's what bush did. and i think that there is a bigger play here. >> for rubio. i heard all i needed to hear at the at the speech, at the joint session is when he said, look, we love marco, but if anything goes

wrong, it's his fault. >> oh, okay. and in the meantime, playing chess with putin, i don't know, like a question mark there. and i think that's what a lot of european allies are asking. >> and you bring your enemies close. i don't know, i mean, we'll see how this plays out. >> okay. you guys stay with me. we have more to discuss coming up after the break. concerns mounting that the u.s. might be on the brink of a recession. we're going to talk to a republican congressman ryan zinke, live about that and more. plus, what elon musk says about juggling his multiple businesses with everything that he's doing in d.c. and more from the group chat after this. >> maybe if he hadn't been such a, he would have gotten away with it. i'm still not sure that you're repentant. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at 9:00 on cnn. over half. >> a million. >> people with. afib have left blood thinners behind., with

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>> okay, right now we're all waiting to see how the markets respond to stocks taking a nosedive yesterday. here's what president trump had to say about the economy over the weekend. >> what i have to do is build a strong country. you can't really watch the stock market if you look at china. they have a 100 year perspective. we have a quarter. we go by quarters. that's true. and you can't go by that. you have to do what's right. >> joining me now to discuss montana's republican congressman ryan zinke. welcome to the program. good morning. >> great to be with you. >> okay. can your constituents afford to do the long the long game or quarter by quarter? are they going to start feeling this? >> well, quarter by quarter is not really a great way to run a railroad. and what trump is saying is, look, we have some fundamental changes that we need to be done in our economy. we can't be reliant on foreign entities for energy. we can't be reliant on foreign entities for

critical minerals. and the trade between canada and the united states is important, although we have to make sure that trade is a fair trade. yeah, what we're seeing in the market is some uncertainty on tariffs and the market likes, you know, steady as they go. no no changes. and president trump enjoys the terrorists because their personal power to negotiate and. >> meaning he is in control of them. >> absolutely 100%. he's in control. >> we were talking off the break about i mean, my thesis is that if you think tariffs are a negotiating tool, when you negotiate with a country, as they claim about drug, the drug war, you want uncertainty. you want the other people on the other side of the table to not be sure what you're going to do. the collateral damage of this right now, arguably, are voters wallets. >> well, in short term, you look at the tariffs, for instance, on mexico, there wouldn't be 10,000 troops patrolling our southern border had there not been tariffs. it wasn't policy. it took a president similarly on the northern border, which i think will work out. you know, canada's been a long friend.

we'll work. >> it out. i should say montana exported $869 million in goods. we looked that up to canada in 2021. >> by the way, in the country, 86% and mostly it's petroleum. >> 6% of your state's total good export. did you feel like you were in an unfair exchange with canada? like, is this working for you? >> well, canada and the united states has had a long relationship. even the first special forces service, the green berets. >> was hostile. i don't know if you've seen how many maple leaf flags are going up. it's actually sort of driven a nationalist fervor in canada against the u.s. >> we see that. but but also, i think everyone understands that how important canada and the u.s. is. but they got it. they got to tighten up on their drugs coming across the the northern border ten times, ten times more people on the terrorist watch list come from the northern border than they do in the southern border. so let's seal the border off, make sure that we work together. and i think the tariffs will relax. >> i want to talk a little bit more about the sort of leading the charge. i think the

president has been talking about the cr, sort of how the house is going to govern its spending next. that's the continuing resolution. and he was talking about your fellow congressman, thomas massie of kentucky, who has been pretty consistent in general about doctor. no. yeah. well, doctor, no, but someone concerned about budgets, he's talking about him being primaried. but i get the sense he might not be the only one who will vote no against this. what's your sense? will other republicans. divert? and will you be able to bring over any democrats? >> well, first of all, a continuing resolution. what it is is it continues the same bill that was put in place, signed by president biden, negotiated by president. >> it's basically everyone holding pattern until we figure out our spending. >> same thing. there are some anomalies. they call them anomalies. there are some additions on it. obviously, defense needed some flexibility because when you put a cr, no new programs and you can't. >> you're arguing me. you got to argue some, right? some

democrats. right. like what do you think there's going to be some people who cross over in either direction? >> i think there are. i think we'll get through it. there are some good things in it. there's some increase in military pay which is which is needed. overall spending is about the same as defense goes up slightly. domestic spending goes down slightly, but more or less it's the same. >> something that can be overcome. >> yeah, but but this is not the right way to run a railroad or a country. typically you do what's called appropriations. and on the house side, we got all 12 appropriations through. >> that's the way congress says this is how you should spend. although we're in an. >> era. >> it's in the constitution. >> but when you think about right now the way the trump administration is, for instance, halting funding for various things, right? what's the point of congress if the purse strings are actually held by it in the white house? >> well, when you look at the abuse, i mean, we can you and i can debate. >> no, there's abuse. but i'm just saying, like we're talking about your power. are you guys giving away your power?

>> no, i don't think so. i think we're in the exposing phase. the amount of fraud was so great. well, i've been a former secretary and in congress. that's why i asked. i've asked the questions. i couldn't read the files. you know, i could i could look at i know that there's something that's not right inside the files, but i couldn't read the lines. mr. musk and his people were able. which are which are employees of the u.s. government? they are they have treasury. they've been the whole thing. they were able to go through and look at individual files and find the abuse. and that's the problem is the scale of. >> fraud, waste. that's why, congressmen, their lawmakers are okay with this. republican lawmakers are like, sure. and halt what you want, impound what you want as long as you find abuse. >> i think there's branches of government now. we have our responsibility to we're not a rubber stamp. so we look at it. but we were unable. the congress was. and the secretary previous to this was unable to disclose how much fraud, waste and abuse there might be a trillion with a

t. >> you said. >> fraud. >> waste might. >> right now we're in the exposing phase, right? that's expose it. then you got to confirm it. and you got to confirm that there actually is fraud. when you say the person has a social security number who is 130 years old, is he getting a. >> check is not how much damage can be done. in the meantime. >> i think it's good to look. but again, you have to confirm. and once you confirm, then you can take action in the congress on the budget. but i don't think we should take action over, over exposure without, without, without looking at confirmation and confirming that there actually is a savings. >> well, looking forward to the outcome of this vote today. thank you so much for coming in. having some breakfast with us. >> it's going to be exciting day. >> yeah, exactly. it's now 51 minutes past the hour. i want to give you a morning roundup of some of the stories you need to get your day going. this image just in to cnn. it's believed to be the last time the university of pittsburgh student was seen with her friends before she vanished in the dominican

republic. so she was actually leaving a lobby hotel lobby heading towards the beach. police. at this point, they're using dogs and drones to help search for the 20 year old, who disappeared last thursday. former philippines president rodrigo duterte detained for alleged crimes against humanity after the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant. the icc is investigating him for a brutal anti-drug crackdown during his time in office that killed thousands of people, and utah plans to ban fluoride in public drinking water. the associated press reports the governor says he's going to sign legislation that would prevent cities from deciding whether to add fluoride to the water system, dentists and health organizations are against the move, and elon musk, speaking out about juggling his new job in the white house along with his old jobs at his companies. >> how are. >> you running your other

businesses? >> i, with great difficulty. you're going to go another year. yeah, i think so. >> elon musk companies have had some difficulties. on monday, x, for example, crashed for a period of time because of what he said was a cyberattack. and tesla's stock plunged amid protests at the automaker's dealerships. earlier this morning, president trump claimed people were, quote, illegally, illegally and collusively boycotting tesla. anyone here have a tesla? i don't just want to expose any biases. no monster truck. okay, well, i'm going to want to see a picture of that. i want to talk about one more thing. the trump administration's attempt to deport a palestinian activist at columbia university. it's actually being blocked this morning by a federal judge. mahmoud khalil was arrested saturday night by ice agents for helping to lead columbia's student protest movement in support of palestinians in gaza, according to his attorney.

authorities said they were acting on a state department order to revoke his green card. there's a court hearing on wednesday. so hundreds of protesters, they're marching through lower manhattan demanding authorities immediately release him. but president trump appears determined to keep his campaign promise. >> when i'm president, we will not allow our colleges to be taken over by violent radicals. and if you come here from another country and try to bring jihadism or anti-americanism or anti-semitism to our campuses, we will immediately deport you. you'll be out of that school. >> all right. so we want to talk about this as a potential free speech issue. what do you guys expect from this hearing? i don't know, jackie, if your team's reporting on it. >> so i think just looking at this from stepping back and this is something that he did talk about on the campaign trail.

this was a promise. >> of the activism of that moment in particular. >> and i think this is going to be a test case for them. if they can do if they can, if they can deport this individual, it could definitely have a chilling effect on free speech on college campuses and frankly, elsewhere. >> yeah. i want to bring in to this side of the table because people come to this country, in fact, fleeing regimes where there is not free speech. so i do wonder about this having your green card revoked while you're here for exercising this, right. ashley, you look like you're not sure. >> no, no, no, i'm i'm actually supportive. it's. i think the rhetoric and the anti-semitic message that he has is not good. and we have the ability to revoke the green card. i understand the free speech issue. yeah, because. >> it's an executive order. like free speech is a thing. >> i thought. >> with the trump administration. >> this is a i think that i'm like 100% comfortable with this, to be honest. >> i think that we have a i think we have a problem of the test case. i think there's this individual thing to its side. i

don't put it to the side like it's not important. but what green card, who may or may not, somebody could say they did something that they didn't do, and all of a sudden it gets taken away from them. as somebody who works heavily in the immigrant community, both my business partners at my firm are immigrants. went through the process. daca recipients, tps recipients. there's a lot of anxiety out there of folks who are playing by the rules every day, and that this could happen >> yeah, it'll be interesting to see. there'tslo of concerns about free speech going forward, because again, if you haven't committed a crime, what is allowed? that's why this test case is important. i want you guys to stay with me for just a moment, because we're going to be talking about what we're keeping an eye on. and i'd like to turn to this because, you know, i don't have my arms around everything that's happening. and you guys do. so, jackie, let me start with you. what's something that you're watching this week that the rest of us should be? >> so the cdc director's confirmation hearing, dave weldon, is this week, given everything that's going on in

the health sphere, you would imagine we just. >> talked about the pandemic. i can't think of an institution more damaged in the legacy of the pandemic than the cdc. >> and you have to imagine he's going to get some pretty pointed questions from the likes of bill cassidy, given some of the other things that are going on with hhs and nih should be a hearing to watch on thursday. >> just can i ask one more question? where is he on some of these issues? vaccines, public health? do you have a sense he. >> has a view. so he has been he has in terms of covid. he's had some skepticism there, but i haven't delved into his entire. >> why we're going to listen to. >> the hearing. that's why we're going. >> to listen to the hearing. chuck, what about you? what are you keeping an eye on. >> in the next hour? i'm looking at the stock market futures. in the next 24 hours. i'm looking at does the congress actually shut down this government by friday? and in the next week or two, i just noticed that aoc is going to join bernie sanders out on his roadshow going around the country. keep your eye on that. >> and we were talking about that because that quote, unquote, road show, senator sanders has been going around the country and drawing pretty large crowds, talking about, i

think, speaking out against the trump administration and oligarchs. >> right. you're going to see more people join that, what i call jolly parade around the country, exposing trump and other things. >> okay, ashley, what about you? >> good combo. mine is this new app, that which was an old app that was announced yesterday. the former cbp one app that people were a million people came over in regards to when they were seeking asylum. and here temporarily, the trump administration did the cbp home app yesterday, which means that you can lawfully leave the country now through this app. the app is legally. >> like a digital application for asylum, and they're like tap, tap, tap. now it's a home. i can tell you if i'm going home through this app instead. >> and so i just want to see if it actually works, how many people take advantage of it. because what they're saying is go use this and go back and have no consequences. but if you stay, there will be consequences. >> oh, underscore that no

consequences if you. >> do it. if you use it, yes. that was the big interesting. so is this do ten people use this app? i mean this is more of a six month. >> yeah. but even the concept of self-deportation often was used in air quotes or scare quotes, depending on your politics, about whether that was something people would do or. yeah, exactly. >> i can't get people to show up at my house one time with my apps. i don't know how this is actually going to. >> work. okay. we are we're in the app economy. all right. yet another legacy of the pandemic, right? another legacy. us all doing everything. >> on our phones up. no shutdown. i don't know about aoc and sanders is good. >> we will see. >> i will never bet on markets. ashley, you are braver than me. you are braver than me. i'll just be checking my 401(k), like, okay, i want to thank you guys for waking up with me for this chat. we talked a lot today. we talked about a lot of things. i'm audie cornish. i want you to stay with us because cnn news central starts right now.