don't necessarily want independence from denmark immediately. here's what voters are saying. >> we need that identity for our people in the arctic. >> there will be a new government, and it will put a tremendous pressure on the danish government to have a position, a real position in terms of if greenland wants independence, what will the cost be? >> so those are some greenlandic voters there. and greenland is really one of the most dynamic regions right now in the world, because of course, it's very high up in the arctic. there's a lot of ice up there, but that ice is melting very quickly. and underneath that ice is a lot of natural resources oil, gas, and of course rare earths as well. maybe one of the reasons why president trump has been talking about it so much, but also, of course, security as well as russia certainly appears a lot closer when you don't have that ice shield between the western hemisphere and russia. and so therefore there are geopolitical implications in this election.

nevertheless, mostly greenlanders and certainly all the parties in parliament are saying while they want independence, they don't want to become part of the u.s. kate. >> all right. fred pleitgen, great to see you, fred. thank you so much. a new hour of cnn news central starts now all eyes on the markets this morning after yesterday's tumble wiped out all gains made since donald trump became president. >> fears of recession and trump's trade wars are causing market chaos as the president refuses to rule out recession. and now economists are upping the odds that it could happen. a crucial meeting to try and stop the bloodshed in ukraine, u.s. secretary of state marco rubio telling ukraine it must cede territory for the war to end, giving russia a big win. but can ukraine accept this element of a deal? and southwest airlines making a big change to its baggage rule? you know that free checked luggage you like a lot? that's gone. we have the

details. i'm sarah sigmon with kate bolduan. john berman is out today. this is cnn news central. >> all right. new this morning. we are keeping a close eye on market futures right now as a three week sell off hit a whole new level of intensity yesterday over the president's words and actions. you could sum it up. u.s. stocks plunged monday with the dow falling nearly 900 points its worst day of the year. a source of this uncertainty. president trump's continued trade war and what he just said also about the possibility of a recession this year. are you expecting. >> a recession this. >> year? >> i hate to predict things like that. there is a period of transition because what we're doing is very big. we're bringing wealth back to america. that's a big thing. and there are always periods of it takes a

little time. >> a period of transition. we'll continue to see what exactly that means. futures right now, as we can see, they are up. cnn's alayna treene is at the white house starting us off this hour. what are you hearing from the white house on this today? what they're, i don't know, expecting or preparing for. >> well, what was so interesting yesterday, kate, was that we didn't hear from the president at all. it was a very rare day where you actually didn't hear public commentary from the president. he has largely spoke publicly every day since being in office thus far. so it was notable that that came really when we saw the stock markets and wall street have the worst day of the year yesterday, but we will hear from him today. he's going to be speaking to the business roundtable at 5 p.m. of course, i think the world will be watching. and really, i think the world is looking for some more reassurance. the global markets are looking for more reassurance, particularly as we continue to hear that

uncertainty, really from the president's own mouth. i would argue that, you know, the markets and the economy was in a fragile state before the president had made those comments. but really, we saw the stock market react you know, very quickly and plunging very quickly this week following those comments that the president made about not ruling out a recession now behind closed doors, we have heard the white house try to defend some of this. in a statement yesterday, a white house spokesperson had essentially said that the white house was crediting trump's policies with spurring investment in the united states. they also pointed to the president's first term to show that perhaps, you know, you really should stick with donald trump on this and see some growth moving forward. and that's what we're hearing as well from other officials. i spoke with kevin hassett briefly yesterday here at the white house, one of donald trump's top economic advisers. he was saying that, sure, we are seeing some uncertainty and perhaps some volatility in the markets because of the president's tariff policies, but that that should ultimately be offset by

some of the other things that he is doing, including tax policy and whatnot. so that is what they're saying behind closed doors, i think also watch very closely what karoline leavitt, the white house press secretary says at her 1 p.m. briefing. i know that reporters just like us here at cnn are going to be pressing her very closely on those comments that the president made and the specific reaction to what we're seeing happen in the stock market. >> absolutely. it's the beginning of a very big day. it's good to see elena. thank you so much. we're looking at futures right there. it's going to be really interesting to walk over to matt egan. he's been standing standing by looking at futures. and it's going to be really interesting to see what happens when markets open next hour. >> yeah. yes. there was a brutal day. unfortunately we're looking at kind of a weak rebound this morning. at least that's what the futures are signaling a 160 point gain in the futures. given the fact that the dow lost almost 900 points yesterday, this means clawing back just a small fraction of the losses from yesterday. and look, it is stunning how fast this happened. the market went from all time

highs to a recession scare in the span of three weeks. yesterday was the worst day for the nasdaq in two and a half years. the fear gauge surged. the dow down 1900 points so far in march. and i think this is just another reminder of how fragile confidence is, right. investors have lost some confidence in the health of the economy, and they've arguably lost some confidence in policy making out of washington. ed yardeni. he's a market veteran. he told me the stock market is losing confidence in the trump 2.0 policies. and we've seen the s&p 500 lose $4.5 trillion in market value since the election. i mean, we remember you can see it here. the market went basically straight up after the election. and that was because investors were pricing in basically all of the positives here. >> the tax cuts basically straight down. >> and right. the tax cuts, the deregulation and investors were kind of ignoring the risks that we knew were all along. i mean, the president always said he was

going to aggressively use tariffs. and i think investors were sort of caught off guard by how the early weeks of this administration have really focused on tariffs and not as much on those. >> how aggressive or aggressive really is, is. >> being aggressive, but also how chaotic. >> yeah, that's one thing when you when, when when tariffs are your policy, you put them in place and you keep them. and the back and forth has been exactly what we've been seeing. what are companies saying. how are they reacting to this. >> well we just heard another warning from a major company, delta airlines, last night came out, slashed its earnings outlook. and what's interesting is the company said that they're basically blaming weaker demand that's being caused by crumbling consumer and corporate confidence. and they cite an increased macro uncertainty. the stock plunged last night about 15%. it's actually clawed back some of those losses. but still it's down another 5%. another airline southwest airlines just

this morning came out slashed its outlook as well. blamed a number of factors including the wildfires in california. but what really stood out to me was southwest blamed again, weaker demand caused by uncertainty. also, they cited less government travel, which seems to be an allusion to the federal spending cuts. yeah, that's the first time i've heard that from one of the airlines. but i think this just shows how the loss of confidence can really translate to an actual impact in the real economy. and for the bottom line of companies. >> it bears out right now more evidence of exactly what you have been saying. and smart minds have been saying, which is uncertainty is the worst thing. and that's just like on all fronts, add it up together. delta is freaking out. southwest freaking out. customers are freaking out. the market's freaking out. like that's it. >> yeah. what i'm wondering about, though, kate, is whether any of this causes the president to reconsider some of his tariff plans. because remember, tomorrow, 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum are set to go into effect. does the market freak

out cause the president to push that back? we'll see. >> he doesn't watch the markets remember. >> i forgot. >> yeah you need to remember that. but we'll see what he says today. that will be important. you are right sarah. >> thanks. all right. thank you kate. joining me now is colby smith, federal reserve correspondent for the new york times. thank you so much for being here on what has been a rocky ride. is the market responding exactly how you would expect it to respond with all of the things that we know, with the president saying that he couldn't rule out a recession and then talking about trade wars and talking about inflation and all these different things, is this how you would expect the market to respond? >> well, it's certainly. >> an. >> extreme reaction, but i also think that there is real concern here about the outlook for the economy. and that's a big shift. i mean, going into this year and ahead of trump's return to the white house, there was a lot of optimism about what his policies were going to bring, whether it was tax cuts, whether it was deregulatory measures, things like that. and now what we're seeing here is that a lot of that, those positive tailwinds, perhaps, that people were expecting, those are

getting overshadowed by a lot of the uncertainty that we're seeing here with trade policy and investors. they're not liking the uncertainty. they're not liking the whiplash. and for economists, it's also become very worrisome, too, about the outlook. >> canada's incoming prime minister said, you know what? you can keep your watery beer. i mean, they are furious in canada, our natural ally and neighbor, mexico, also responding very negatively. trump has been promising some pain. i think he called it a little bit of pain and some disruptions before, as he puts it, america is going to get richer than it was ever before. is there anything historically that shows us that this is actually going to happen? because he's promising wealth while saying you're going to suffer a little bit in the beginning. >> so that's the real fear here. we don't know, you know, how much pain really is going to come from trade policies like this or policy u-turns, as we've seen. and once a recession gets going or a growth slowdown gets going, it's very hard to know

when it stops. and we've seen this with unemployment, for instance, when unemployment starts to rise, it's very often the case that it's a it's a step upward in unemployment. that's quite drastic. it's not something that happens gradually. so the fear here is that we're opening kind of pandora's box in terms of rattling a relatively strong economy at this point with with a lot of, you know, this policy uncertainty and the side effects of that are really unknown. and i think that's why investors and economists are really on edge at this point. >> is this a little bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy? i mean, a lot of people look at the markets and they go, how did one day and one comment caused this to tumble? there's a lot of emotion behind this. and once it starts, as you said, how do you get it back? so are we sort of seeing a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy here? >> yeah. and you see this with the sentiment figures, i mean, and it builds on one another. we saw this from the, you know, the delta earnings we heard on that call that they're worried about

consumer sentiment eventually feeding into lower spending. if people are nervous about the outlook, you're not going to go and book travel. you're not going to, you know do anything that really stretches the budget in any way, shape or form. if you're worried, on the one hand about a slowing economy and on the other hand about rising prices, inflation is still a problem here. and that's something that we can't forget. so the fact that these growth concerns are coming alongside remaining concerns about price pressures, it just means that the consumers are really under pressure. and in that kind of environment, you're not necessarily going to see businesses hiring, investing, doing all of these things that keep business activity humming. and i think you can very easily see how this snowballs into something bigger than it is right now. >> we will have to wait and see. but there is definitely a lot of concern and the uncertainty is driving the markets down. generally, we will see when the opening bell what happens today. colby smith, thank you so much. that was great. appreciate it kate. >> coming up for us. vice president jd vance heading to

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>> and you're. 100% right. >> the democrats don't have the power to. >> shut. >> the government down or keep it open. the republicans. >> have. >> the house, they have the senate. >> they have the presidency, and they have a plan that they're going to force down the throats of the democrats, but they don't need any democratic votes to achieve it. they haven't reached out to us to have any discussions. it's we should have passed this funding bill last year. we should have passed it in december. mike johnson pushed it to march 14th, and now they want to push it to the end of the year. this is just a surrender of the responsibilities of congress to the to president trump. we should be doing our job. we should be at the table talking. and that's why patty murray and rosa delauro offered a 30 day extension to continue to work, to pass a funding bill that reflects the priorities of the american people. >> are you planning on voting for this version of the stopgap bill? >> no, i'm not voting for this. this is a bill. as i said, it, it abandons congress's responsibility to to set their priorities. it lets down our veterans. it lets down seniors

and and students. it's our first responders. this is cutting where we shouldn't be cutting. it's not making decisions. it's not doing the responsibilities. congress was elected to do. and so this is is mike johnson surrendering to donald trump? >> i want to ask you about this because there is a schism here. you have tim kaine and yourself, tim kaine, whose district is filled with federal workers who would be deeply impacted by this and have also been certainly impacted by doge. but he's saying hell no to the bill. but you also have senator john fetterman, who says he will never vote for a government shutdown if you don't stick together. what power do the democrats have? >> let me be clear. we don't want a government shutdown. what i'm saying is that the congress, house and senate have a responsibility to pass funding bills, and we should be doing that. republicans are trying to forego that kick the can down the road, but out of the stadium. and we need to do our job and we don't have to. it's not a choice between funding the government until september

without doing the responsible things. we can extend it for two weeks, for four weeks, sit at the table and come up with actual spending bills that invest in the priorities of our country, invest in educating our children, keeping our community safe, invest in our economy to create quality jobs and opportunities for future generations. that's not what this bill does. this bill just basically says, whatever president trump, whatever his assistant or vice president elon musk wants to do, they're going to do. that's not what we should be doing. congress was elected to do a job. congress should do the job, and mike johnson should stop surrendering to president trump. >> and to be clear, the vice president is jd vance, who will be on capitol hill trying to push democrats. donald trump is already threatening one. sorry, trying to push republicans. donald trump is already threatening one republican saying if you don't do this, he might be primaried. let me ask you about this. republicans have been coming under fire in town halls recently for the doge cuts that are affecting their districts in big ways, and they're getting a lot of pushback. but democrats are

starting to face some backlash for not fighting hard enough against trump's policies. do you think democrats should be more like al green, who tried to shout down the president during his speech to congress, or more like senator slotkin, who gave a measured response to donald trump afterwards? >> i don't think it's a matter of measured or more aggressive democrats are standing up to the administration, standing up to republicans in congress. i chair the new democrat coalition. these are 110 moderate democrats who want to get work done. we put out a platform two weeks ago that talks about an economy that's creating opportunities and growing for the american people, healthy and safe communities, strong national security, national defense, a vision of how we move forward. and we should be talking about that. we have to stand up and protect the constitutional prerogatives of the congress. the founders were very wise in their decision to create checks and balances. three branches legislative, executive, and judiciary. president trump is trying to break that

constitution. we need to defend it. we need to fight for the people we represent, and we need to fight for the prerogatives of congress and introduce legislation, fund the government with the priorities of the people we represent. again, not surrender that to to a group of people in the white house. >> you mentioned elon musk. he has been under fire for the work that he and and the doge guys are doing, and he had something very nasty to say about one of your colleagues, senator mark kelly. after senator kelly posted on x about a trip that he made to ukraine over the weekend, musk commented, you are a traitor. this is a man working in the white house at the president's behest. what do you think of his comments to senator kelly? >> i think his comments are truly disgusting. mark kelly is an american hero. he has served our country in uniform. he is serving our country in the united states senate. i think senator kelly's response was exactly right. elon musk, who is not elected, is trying to run the government, trying to get

information about the american people to use for his own profit, is cavorting with dictators around the world. if anyone should be accused of turning their back on the priorities of the american people, turning their back on the interests of the american people, it's elon musk. he has done more to hurt this country. and, you know, look what's happening in our stock market, the economy, the cost of groceries, so many things are so much worse than they were even just five months ago. and i think you can point a finger at the actions of doge musk and his his handful of what they call doge bros or musketeers. whatever pejorative word you want to use, what they are doing, how they are doing it with utter disregard and disrespect for federal workers, for the american people. i think there's a lot to be said about elon musk, and elon musk should just shut his mouth when talking about senator kelly or anyone else in congress. >> congressman brad schneider, thank you so much for coming on. i know there's a lot of work to do there on capitol hill. we'll be checking back in with you in

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issues are front and center of today's talks. president trump's mineral deal. ukrainian president zelenskyy's push for security guarantees and the aid and intel sharing that has been paused since their oval office argument. and breaking in just the last few minutes, russia is now claiming it has retaken nearly 40mi÷ in the kursk region. this is the kremlin aims to force ukrainian forces out of russia. the development a major threat to kyiv's bargaining power, as russia also now accuses ukraine of launching a massive drone attack. this explosion that you're seeing there happening just south of moscow. that is the explosion. russia blaming that on drones from ukraine. let's bring in alex marquardt. he is in jeddah, saudi arabia, where these talks are happening at the moment. alex, what can you tell us right now? these talks are ongoing. what are you hearing? >> they are very much ongoing.

sarah, in this hotel in jeddah. they are now entering their fourth hour. we don't really have a sense of when they are going to wrap up. the u.s. and ukrainian delegations across from each other at a long wooden table. secretary of state marco rubio national security adviser mike waltz across from the ukrainian delegation, including president zelenskyy's chief of staff andre yermak. on the way into this meeting, we did hear rubio say that he would be in listening mode, that he's waiting to hear what difficult decisions, what concessions the ukrainians might be willing to make to get to an eventual peace deal with the russians. that is a question that some reporters and i put to yermak when we spoke with him in the lobby. he didn't talk specifically about what they may be willing to do. he said that the priority is to get these conversations going so that an eventual peace can be reached. here's a little bit more of what he had to say. >> now we think it's necessary to to discuss the the most

important how to start this process. and we very openly we're very open and we want to have very constructive deep friend partners conversations with our american partners. >> and sarah, what is certain to come up is that pause on military and intelligence sharing. secretary of state rubio saying that this meeting is key to see whether the u.s. would get that back online. of course, security guarantees are another thing that ukraine is almost certain to bring up. this meeting coming just hours after that astonishing drone strike by ukraine against russia, possibly the biggest since the war began. not just interesting, because they launched it on the same day as these talks, but also because ukraine is proposing a ceasefire, a partial ceasefire, in order to get to the next

stage in negotiations. that would be essentially, they say, a pause on aerial bombardments by both ukraine and russia against civilian and energy infrastructure, as well as a stop to the fighting in the black sea. and if the u.s. sees that as something that is serious enough, they could then take that to the russians. but very important to to to to state to note that the russians have not given any indications that they are willing to compromise or offer any concessions of their own. sarah. >> yeah. before that attack in moscow, there was the the bombardment of the kursk region by russia, as just before all this began. so we will see kind of what happens here in that meeting. but it going on for four hours now, i know you will get good reporting when it is over. alex marquardt, thank you so much for being there for us and being a fly on the wall, if you will, in jeddah, saudi arabia. kate. >> joining us right now is cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson and retired u.s. air force colonel, cnn military analyst colonel cedrick layton. gentlemen, good to see you.

colonel, let's jump in. where? what alex was talking about that astonishing attack overnight. you can add this now into the mix, which is russia saying it down more than 300 ukrainian drones and launched at its territory. if confirmed, this aerial attack would represent one of the largest on russia since its invasion of ukraine. what do you make of the message and the timing? >> yeah, i think it's very interesting. kate. good morning. there are a lot of aspects to this, but the ukrainians are clearly sending a message. their drone industry is alive and well, number one. number two, their targeting is pretty accurate. and it's designed to really send a message to the russians that not only is the front line at risk, but moscow itself is at risk. about 70 of those 300 plus drones made it to moscow city. 90 some were in the region of moscow, according to some of the reports. so if that

is all confirmed, that indicates a very serious and sustained barrage that attacked the russian infrastructure as well as possibly some critical plants for the war effort, as well. >> and nic, as alex was saying for hours in this meeting so far, you know, you wonder, is that good news? is that bad news? we'll find out what they say when they come out. but what do you see in this moment? marco rubio going in and saying, going in. he wants to find out what concessions ukraine is ready to make. how does that set the stage for what or what will or will not come out of this? >> yeah. i thought it was very interesting. i mean, look, four hours in compared to the 40 minutes of bombastic non non conversation, if you will, in the white house, oval office just a couple of weeks ago. so already they're in there in positive territory. right. this is going on for a while. marco rubio went in saying look this isn't going to get into detail. we're not going to be talking about maps. he also made the very interesting comment to the journalists on the plane before he landed saying, look, you're

veterans of negotiations like this. you know, that the real stuff happens behind closed doors, which which was a very interesting comment, you know, saying essentially real negotiations happen behind closed doors, which again, raises the question of what actually really was the intent and purpose of what actually transpired in the oval office. but the point of the conversation that they're having now, it does seem to be heading in a way that both sides are spending time listening to each other to to explore what the other has to say. and this is this is really high stakes for the ukrainians. if they don't get the messaging right to marco rubio and the others in that room, then the message that goes back to president trump will be, actually, these guys are not really serious. and that's the threshold. being serious is the threshold. quite what that looks like. and technically is the threshold for continuing to get or the restart of weapons from the united states, which is hugely important to ukrainians. and i thought it was very

interesting listening to zelenskyy's chief of staff there, talking about the start of a process. so he's talking about this is the start, not the end, not the middle. this is a process indicating something long that's not going to be over quickly. the ukrainians are trying to balance getting u.s. weapons supplies restarted with what they can count on for the europeans, which is looking better than it was two weeks ago. so for four hours, this is positive territory. but the result of it, we don't know yet. >> absolutely. and, colonel, how much room do you think there is to negotiate here? kind of in the lay of the land. what's happened with this war? i mean, what are you listening for coming out of this? >> you know, one of the things i'm interested in is how much intelligence support the ukrainians are going to be getting. in addition to the weapons that nick mentioned, the intelligence part is going to be critical for ukrainian targeting efforts and basically for early warning so that they can prevent attacks or at least casualties against civilian targets in in

ukraine itself. so that's one thing that i'm listening for. the other thing is what's the plan forward ukraine and u.s. negotiators should actually be allies. so this part shouldn't be the difficult part. the real difficult part is going to be with the russians, because the russians are looking at this and they're saying we've got some advantages on the battlefield, and we're going to exploit those advantages. and i think the plan going forward, which which should be a joint plan between ukraine and the u.s., should be one in which they deal with the russians in a in a serious way. but the russians may not want to play ball. and that's going to be, i think, the critical aspect of this. >> yeah, all the questions being to this point, what is ukraine willing to give up the serious questions of what russia is willing to give up not yet being posed at all on any front? it's great to see you guys. thank you so much, colonel nick, looking for your expertise and your guidance once this however many. our meeting wraps up today.

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stopgap spending bill. something needs to happen, no matter what, by friday, to avoid a government shutdown. and all eyes are on. republican house speaker mike johnson as he unveiled the stopgap measure. because with democrats planning to vote against the bill, speaker johnson has zero margin for error. they can only lose one republican vote and still get this through. given the margins. and already right there, you see the one republican, tom massie, has already announced that he is voting no. joining us right now is republican congressman mark alford of missouri. he sits on the critical house appropriations committee. congressman, thank you so much for going in. a lot can change over the course of the next few hours. with that caveat, i wanted to ask you. what are you expecting or hoping to hear from the vice president this morning? >> well, i think laying. >> out the president's. >> plan to get this. >> cr done. >> put america. >> first, making. >> sure that as many. >> republicans are on board. >> with this as possible. >> i know president trump has. >> personally reached out to.

individuals trying. >> to convince. >> them that this. >> cr is the is the. >> right way. >> to go. >> it is going. >> to make sure that our our. >> military gets a 20%. >> pay raise. it's going to freeze other spending. it's going to. >> allow the department of. >> defense to enter. >> into some new contracts. >> and most importantly, kate, i think it will allow. >> us to get. >> on with other. business that we. >> have. >> to do the reconciliation process. and also once we get the president's budget. i was talking with tom cole, the appropriations chair, last night. we're going to get to work on the 12 appropriation bills and getting them out of committee, just like we did last year. hopefully get them all across the house floor this year. >> and that would be that would be the actual business and job of congress. and that would be getting back to something that is very rare these days. do you think there are enough republican votes to get this passed without democrats? >> i think there are. you know, there are some very astute republican members of congress who have legitimate questions and concerns because they've been here some time and they

have seen the cr after cr after cr come about and leadership say, hey, this is going to happen again. mike johnson is doing the best he can to to turn this aircraft carrier around and get us back to regular order. it's not a ski boat. it's not going to turn on a dime. and so this is the first step to doing that. we've got to get another six months under our belt, get the reconciliation process done, get the tax cuts and jobs act renewed so we won't have the largest tax increase in u.s. history. >> tom massie is the one republican who has made clear he's a hard no right now. the president went after him overnight. as as i woke up, i saw the social media post saying that he wants to see tom massie voted out because of it, saying, i mean, he went on and on on his on his post, he said he should be primaried. i will lead the charge against him. he's just another grandstander who's too much trouble and not worth the fight. i mean, do you do you agree that massie should be

primaried? >> look, i don't believe anyone should be going after another republican to be primaried. that happened to some members of the freedom caucus last go around. i don't take part in that, but that's up to the president of the united states. i think it's his way of trying to apply a little pressure, maybe, and let others know what some of the possibilities may be. i love tom massie. thomas massie and i are friends. he's a principled man. i knew he was going to be knowing this, but he is a very consistent person and i like that. >> yeah, that consistent on this front is definitely something that tom massie is. democrats believe that what this cr does, and we just heard from a democrat earlier in the show, brad schneider, saying this is they believe that. why why they're voting against it. they say is that this cr would allow the white house to accelerate to go even further in dismantling agencies and programs that you have funded, which congress, which is congress's job giving

elon musk and donald trump more the ability to go further and faster with slashing the government. is that what this does? >> it is not that at all. i know, you know, i kind of feel for the democrats because really they have no leader, they have no message, and they have no vision right now. and they're flailing like a drowning victim out in the deep ocean. and i think the cr is a lifeline for the american people if they don't want to grab hold of it, i feel bad for them because this is going to get us to the next step. look, they want to stop doge. they want to stop elon musk. they want to stop the cuts and the savings on waste, abuse and fraud in the federal government. and so they're throwing nails out in the road, hoping to flatten the tires. and i get it. it's a point of desperation. they have said before that they would never vote for a government shutdown. and that's what they're going to be voting for. a democrat shutdown of the u.s. federal government.

>> well, i mean, democrats also have a legitimate point. they don't have the power to shut it down because they don't they don't have majorities in congress, though the margins are thin on this whole thing. part of the biggest part of this conversation that i want to make sure we hit on is the biggest source of government spending is on america's entitlement programs social security, medicare, medicaid. elon musk now says that is one of his targets. i want to play for you how he talked about this in a new interview. >> the reason for entitlement spending, which is all of the which is most of the federal spending, is entitlements. so that that's that's like the big one to eliminate, because that's the sort of half trillion, maybe 6 or 700 billion a year. >> that's the big one to eliminate. if he moves to largely eliminate entitlement programs. are you okay with it? >> look, elon musk is a brainiac with an iq that i cannot even fathom. he is not a master. of

artful language person like politicians and news anchors. i think when he talks about elimination, i think we're talking about eliminating the waste, abuse and fraud. and it is true that the medicare, medicaid and social security make up about 75% of our budget. it's mandatory spending. we've got to find the savings there. we will do that. the budget director was speaking to our whip team last night in a meeting. and and he pointed out that there are savings to be made in the medicaid program. look. >> i. had a democratic governor on i had the democratic governor of colorado on. he says there definitely are savings and efficiencies that can be found in entitlement programs, for sure. but on this and i hear you, that language matters. if elon musk wants to eliminate entitlements, i mean, he has called social security the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. so there is something there. if he moves to eliminate any of the entitlement programs, will you stop him or will you

applaud him? >> we are not going to eliminate social security, medicare and medicaid. that's sheer nonsense. president trump has said that from the very beginning, and he's the guy sitting behind the resolute desk. i applaud elon musk. i love that he's moving forward with with helping us rightsize our government and put america first. but elimination of programs is is not going to happen. it is true that medicaid has grown exponentially over the last couple of years. there could be as much as one quarter of the medicaid payments that are not going to people who really qualify for them, that that the people who are receiving those payments are not qualified. and that's one of the things we'll be looking at right now if you get on medicaid, you don't come up for review for your qualification for an entire year. if we cut that back to a review for every six months, we're going to save billions of dollars. and it's not just people who are, i don't think, just cheating the system, it's that the

government workers are not doing a good enough job of making sure people are qualified, and that's going to free up money for people who truly need it. >> well, the the line of what's waste, what's abuse, where efficiencies can be found is going to be very important for every member of congress, because the number of constituents that it impacts and every governor, because i've already talked to governors who do not want to see some of the cuts that they fear could be coming to medicaid, especially. congressman, thank you so much for coming on this morning. let's see what happens today. sarah. >> all right. thank you kate. a seismic shift at southwest. the airline is abandoning its bags. fly free policy and its rapid rewards points. not so rapid. now for certain flights, when you'll have to pay up also. plus, it's touched everything from politics to health to life itself. covid. five years later. doctor sanjay gupta is joining us next to talk about the lasting impacts of the pandemic.

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warped. >> i think for most people, that was one of the things that a lot of people experienced during the pandemic. and i think, you know, it's interesting when you reflect five years from now, there are people who are still still very traumatized by this. i think health care workers in particular, this is something that still comes up all the time when i'm in the hospital. and there's obviously a significant chunk of the population that is just moved on. and there's people sort of in between. but the images, you know, from, from, you know, the last several years are something that people have had a hard time getting out of their heads. paramedics rushing to homes to try and take care of people, you know, with masks on, grandmothers and grand and kids, you know, meeting for the first time after some time separated people separating out, you know, the social distancing. all of that was was real. and i think we still have sort of flickers of that that we see in society. but, you know, just to give you a little perspective in terms of where we are, if you look overall at the world in terms of how many people were infected, seven close to 800 million people, that's and that's people diagnosed cases.

>> 800 million. >> 800 million, more than 100 million of those in the united states. so, you know, we're 4% of the world's population had about a seventh of the cases. if you look at deaths, overall, about 7 million people died, which is hard to even say. you can't. people died. >> it's hard to think of how big that is. >> yeah. and this was a new disease, a new virus, a medical establishment around the world trying to grapple with something that was brand new, that sort of came on the scene, hadn't seen something like that in, you know, 100 years. so in terms of deaths, again, 7 million around the world, 1.2 of those here in the united states. and i think those are going to be some of the things that we still have to sort of figure out. why was the united states so affected by this? is it our overall level of health as a general rule? is it our crumbling public health infrastructure? even before this pandemic hit? these are things that we're still grappling with. >> yeah. it's also is it our tendency to do conspiracy theories and to to rage against the machine? and did the machine

work correctly? you know, the way in which this was sort of told to the public, was that the right way? and i know there's everybody's grappling that the cdc, nih, all of them, we have been asking people about their own personal reflections on the pandemic. and i want to get to priscilla, who wrote, my mother died from covid, and this is a year i can't get past. it seems i am still reliving it every day since then. we also got a message from sherry. it was utter devastation. within a month i lost two close coworkers to covid. one beloved e.r. doctor took his own life, and that's when i left. i never want to experience anything like that again. and lastly, we have susan in ocean pines, maryland. she shared this message with us. it prompted me to reevaluate my work life balance, and i made significant career changes to be able to enjoy days with life in the slow lane. i don't know whether i'd have come to this