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following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central. >> happening now. we're standing by for a live update from the ntsb on that deadly crash in january involving an american airlines jet and a military helicopter. remember, all 67 people on board? both aircraft were killed in that mid-air collision that happened over the potomac river near reagan national airport. it is now the country's deadliest aviation accident in almost two decades, and at any moment, investigators are expected to release their preliminary report on the crash. cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean is covering the press conference for us. he will join us later with details. brianna. >> we do have some more breaking news now. u.s. markets taking a tumble again today after president trump threatened to escalate his trade war against

canada. and this time, he's vowing to double the levy on canadian steel and aluminum to 50%. the new policy, set to go into effect at midnight tonight. trump saying it's in response to the province of ontario issuing a retaliatory 25% surcharge on power to three u.s. states and warning canada will, quote, pay a financial price so big that it will be read about in history books for many years to come. ontario's premier says trump's trade chaos will only hurt americans. >> there was an unprovoked attack on canada, on families, on jobs, on businesses. for what reason? you know, the market is speaking loud and clear. consumer confidence is down. the market is tumbling. you know there's going to be plants closed in the u.s., assembly plants will shut down because they won't have the aluminum, or they'll be paying twice or three times as much. this is this is absolute chaos created by one person.

>> and we have been keeping an eye on wall street. right now stocks they are down looking at the dow down 515 points. down more than 500. still at this point. anxiety of course uncertainty rattling the markets. let's turn now to jeff stein, white house economic reporter for the washington post. jeff, just these this new tariff, the doubled tariff on aluminum and steel. what is that going to mean for everyday americans i mean, i think it's worth taking a step back and saying exactly where we are right now. >> the trump administration has moved forward with tariffs on roughly $1 trillion worth of goods. but as you're alluding to today, they announced a doubling of steel and aluminum, which is from canada, which is, you know, a small part of our overall import picture, but comes as the administration is looking to impose tariffs on an additional $2 trillion or so in goods. i think what trump is indicating

here is that this could still be the very early innings. you know, we're only a few weeks potentially into this trade war, which has already far surpassed the entirety of the trade war that trump waged during his first term. so we could see higher prices, obviously, for imports, for u.s. steel and aluminum. the steel and aluminum makers in the u.s. are happy with this. they think that this could help them, you know, sell domestically, raise their prices. that's why they're happy about it. but but, you know, it really reinforces that there are that for all the disruption, all the market declines, we've seen all the investor uncertainty. this could just be sort of like an entree, an appetizer for a much bigger fight to come. >> okay. so let's if that is an if this is an appetizer let's talk about that. so just let's talk about what actually a tariff is because listening to the white house press briefing, there seem to be disagreement. you talk to economists. they say this is something that gets passed on to consumers. that is

not how trump seems to see it we heard karoline leavitt stressing that tariffs are a tax hike on a foreign country. they are a tax cut for the american people. can you fact check that? >> yeah, i mean a tax cut for the american people. i mean, the trump administration has had this somewhat convoluted argument that if they raise prices, you know, on foreign imports through tariffs, putting aside the reality of that, which is that, you know, it disproportionately hurts low income people who are disproportionately dependent on imports for food and other cheap commodities relative to to wealthier people, that they could use that as the basis for a cut to the income tax. that's the argument in its most sort of generous form that you could articulate. but the idea that the tariffs themselves are a tax cut, as opposed to a potential

precondition for separate tax or the basis for revenue by which other taxes could be cut, is just not true. so so i think you're seeing as, as trump gets increasingly serious and as it becomes increasingly clear, much to the shock and dismay of investors and allies and many people in the business community, that this is not an idle threat or a negotiating tool, but that trump actually believes that tariffs will unlock this new golden age for america, despite their potential effect on manufacturing, as that that hardens as that coarsens as that reality appears more and more real. the white house has had to adjust its sort of linguistic verbiage and say more and more that tariffs themselves are an unalloyed good, and that, you know, really stretches the bounds of what reporters can go without fact checking. because even if you want to take seriously the arguments that, you know, many democrats have made, too, that tariffs can be a useful tool to to change trade practices or to protect certain

critical domestic industries, even if we want to recognize the validity of that, it calls into question whether we can we can continue to extend that sort of, you know, fair debate when they're using sort of language in ways that that defy all understanding of economists and nonpartisan experts and what people have been saying. >> and then just real quick, jeff, before we go. she also cited a canadian tariff on american cheese and butter that isn't actually in effect. this is sort of a a tariff that would be triggered if american exports hit a certain point. but they're far from that. this particular one on cheese and butter. but in any dairy category, we don't see that being hit. what do you make of them citing a tariff that, you know, it's like hypothetically it's almost 300%, but it's not actually in effect, people aren't paying it yeah. >> the trump administration and the economists close to trump have been arguing and correctly to some degree, that there are imbalances in the global trade

system and more particularly, that the u.s. export markets, you know, the u.s. exporters are tariffed more heavily than we tariff imports into our markets. and that was a choice that's been made for the last 20 or 30 years, the wto that that was a choice that the u.s. made. and while there is some reality to that one, that decision was made with upsides as well for us consumers who wanted cheap imports. but also, while it is true that the u.s. has lower imports relative to other countries on ours, for for for a country of our size, it's not really the case that that's that's true for developed countries. when you look at all countries, a lot of sort of poorer developing countries, low income countries have higher tariffs at that stage of development, which is frankly also what we had sort of in the era that trump likes to talk about the late 19th century or the middle of the 19th century, when we were growing and trying to incubate domestic industries. but now that we are sort of an advanced domestic, you know, modern first world country, our tariffs have come down much as

they have in other parts of the developed world. so comparing us now to where we were 150 years ago, or where many other countries are today, is not sort of capturing the full story of this imbalance that they want to present between the u.s. and other countries, sort of tariff policies. >> jeff, thank you so much for taking us through that. we appreciate it. >> hey. my pleasure. thanks for having me on. >> boris. >> canada's next prime minister, mark carney, is denouncing president trump's latest trade threat in a post on social media. carney wrote in part that trump's tariffs are, quote, an attack on canadian workers, families and businesses. he adds, my government will ensure our response has maximum impact in the u.s. and minimal impact here in canada, while supporting the workers impacted. with us now is yvonne baker, a member of canada's parliament. yvonne, thank you so much for being with us. i want to start with your reaction to the press secretary at the white house saying that trump's tariffs are a response,

to, quote, the fact that canada has been ripping off the united states of america's hard working americans for decades. do you believe that's the case? >> that's absolutely untrue. let's be frank here. the relationship between canada and the united states, both economically and militarily, has been one of the most successful in history for both americans and for canadians. so what donald trump is doing in terms of threatening to annex canada, starting this tariff war, is violating that partnership, and it's going to harm canadians, but it's also going to harm americans. and this is completely unprovoked. it's really important for your viewers to understand that the the retaliatory measures that our government is taking is only in retaliation. it's only in response to the tariffs that the trump administration has imposed on us. and i think i need to be clear here with your american viewers that, look, canada is a smaller country economically, by population in the united states, but we are just as proud of our country as you are of yours, and we are just as prepared to do

what it takes to protect it. and so the measures that canada is taking in response to the unprovoked tariffs that donald trump has imposed on us are meant to do just that, to protect our sovereignty, to protect our economy. >> so you believe that premier doug ford made the right move by putting 25% tariffs on energy imports to those three u.s. states? >> i do. i believe that this began when donald trump, after his election, but before his inauguration, announced that he was going to impose 25% tariffs on all canadian goods and has followed through on that and has announced additional tariffs since then, but has also said that canada should become the 51st state, which it will never happen. he's also said that canadians want to join the united states. that will never happen. and so canadians are standing up for themselves. but i think it's also important for for viewers, especially in the united states, to understand that trade between canada and the united states is governed by what's called the usmca, the

free trade agreement. >> i'm so sorry to interrupt. we actually have to take you to saudi arabia now because the national security advisor and the secretary of state are giving comments after their meeting with ukrainian leaders. let's listen. >> number one, interest is ending this war once and for all. today we made an offer that the ukrainians have accepted, which is to enter into a ceasefire and into immediate negotiations to end this conflict in a way that's enduring and sustainable and accounts for their interests, their security, their ability to prosper as a nation. i want to personally thank we both want to thank the kingdom of saudi arabia's majesty for hosting us, for making this possible. they've been instrumental in this process, and we're very grateful to them for hosting us here today. and, you know, hopefully we'll we'll take this offer now to the russians. and we hope that they'll say yes. they'll say yes to peace. the ball is now in their court. and but again, the president's objective here is number one above everything else. he wants the war to end. and i think today ukraine has taken a concrete step in that regard. we hope the russians will reciprocate. well.

>> just to add to the the secretary's comments, the ukrainian delegation today made something very clear that they share president trump's vision for peace. they share his determination to end the fighting, to end the killing, to end the the tragic kind of meat grinder of of of people and national treasure that's happening on the front in, in in ukraine. number one, number two they made concrete steps and concrete proposals not only accepting our proposal for a full cease which you can see, the details of which are in our joint statement that we released together. but we also got into substantive details on how this war is going to permanently end. what type of guarantees they're going to have for their long term security and prosperity,

but also, really looking at what it's going to take to finally end this, the horrific fighting. the other piece that i just want to make very clear is president trump started this diplomatic effort in the oval office talking to both leaders, both president putin and president zelenskyy, back to back. and now that shuttle diplomacy continues, we have a named delegation in terms of next steps from the russian side, we have a named delegation in terms of next steps from the ukrainian side. i will talk to my russian counterpart in the coming days. secretary rubio will be with g7 foreign ministers in in the next couple of days. we have the nato secretary general in the white house on thursday and will take

will take the process forward from there. so, as a result of that, and i think as a result of of this positive step forward, the president has decided to lift the pause on aid and on our security assistance to ukraine going forward. and that's effective immediately. >> all right. your colleagues have chosen three questioners. let's start with alex marquardt of cnn. >> thank you. several questions on the ceasefire. we understood that coming into this. this was a ukrainian proposal for a partial ceasefire. how did this become an american proposal for an immediate 30 day ceasefire? and to be clear, you're talking about a complete ceasefire across the front line, not just the aerial and maritime ceasefire that the ukrainians proposed. and then finally, how do you expect to take this to the russians? is it, mr. wittkopf, who we understand is heading to moscow later this week? will he deliver that to putin? will it be president trump to president putin? and will it be you and your counterparts? how will that actually happen and when? >> well, on the first point,

your question is, yes, it's it's that's the offer. the offer is to stop the shooting. the the goal here is the only way out to end this war is to negotiate out of it. there's no military solution to this war. the solution to this war and the way to end it and to achieve the the president's objective of peace is to negotiate. but before you can negotiate, you have to stop shooting at each other. and that's what the president has wanted to see. and that's what that's the commitment we got today from the ukrainian side. their willingness to do that, obviously now that will be delivered to the russians, it will be delivered to them directly through multiple channels, meaning not only will they obviously see it, we've you know, it will be communicated to them through our diplomatic channels, through conversations and other methods. but there will obviously be well aware, and our hope is that the russians will say yes, that they will also agree. so the shooting will stop, the killing will stop, the dying will stop. and the talks can begin about how to end this war permanently in a way that's acceptable and enduring for both sides. >> there's been all kinds of of discussions in terms of different types of ceasefires.

you know, there was there was the deal in terms of grain moving years ago. there's been discussion of halting aerial attacks on each other's infrastructure. the president has made it clear and and certainly made it clear to us that all fighting needs to stop. and the ukrainians have agreed to that proposal. they're ready for peace. and now we'll take that to the russians and get their response. >> all right. next. jennifer jacobs cbs. >> great. hi. are you expecting any goodwill gestures from russia? do you have a deadline in mind for when you're hoping for them to reciprocate on that? those two things. >> well, on. we're going to take the offer to them. we're going to tell them this is what's on the table. ukraine is ready to stop shooting and start talking, and now it'll be up to them to say yes or no. i hope they're going to say yes. and if they do, then i think we've made great progress. if they say no, then we'll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here. but the president's been abundantly clear. he wants

the shooting to stop. he wants the warfare to stop. he wants the dying and the suffering to stop. and he believes, and rightfully so, that the only way to end this war is to negotiate an end to it. and we think that it's always easier to negotiate an end to the war when people aren't shooting at each other. that's how the president believes. that's what we hope to achieve. the ukrainians today have expressed their willingness and readiness to do so immediately. we hope the russians answer to that will also be yes. >> but no deadline set, sir. >> well, the deadline is we hope to do this as soon as possible. every day that goes by that this war continues. people die, people are bombed. people are hurt. on both sides of this conflict. the president wanted this war to end yesterday and the day before. the president's been clear. he wants peace. and so we want to see it as soon as possible. so our hope is that the russians will answer yes as quickly as possible, so we can get to the second phase of this, which is real negotiations, not never ending dialog, you know, talk forever, but real negotiations to end this conflict in a way that's acceptable to both sides. sustainable. and that ensures the stability and security of ukraine for the long term. >> the goodwill gesture. is there anything like the return

of the stolen children or anything that you're expecting in return? >> look, we've discussed a number of things. prisoner exchanges, you know, folks that were detained and what have you. but the fighting has to stop. i mean, that's what we agreed today. and just think about it. we've gone from if the war is going to end to now, how the war is going to end. and this was this was an important first step. and that was under president trump's leadership. he has literally moved the entire global conversation to where we had a very senior ukrainian delegation with us today. we've had engagements with our russian counterparts, and now it's how the war is going to end. and that's under president trump's leadership. >> just to answer your question one more time, the goal here is peace. that's the president's goal. the number, the best goodwill gesture the russians can provide is to say yes, to say yes to the offer that the ukrainians have made to stop the shooting, to stop the fighting and get to the table. if they do that, that's the best goodwill

sign we could see. obviously, as part of that negotiation, as we're talking about how to end this conflict, there will be a lot of issues to unravel among them, not the least of which is the humanitarian concerns, the children, the prisoners of war, all the things that sadly come with these conflicts. but the number one goodwill gesture we could see from the russians is to see the ukrainian offer and reciprocate it with a yes. >> and next for reuters, daphne psaledakis. >> thank you so much. could you clarify what security assistance will be resumed? does this include the pdas and why wasn't the minerals deal signed today? what are the outstanding issues there? and if i may, is the relationship with ukrainian president zelenskyy back on track? do you back him? >> well, let me answer the second or the third. you had two and then i'll let the security advisor talk about the defense and security assistance. on the second question, let me answer first on the minerals deal. as part of our communication today, you know, that is something that was negotiated through our treasury. and his counterpart on the ukrainian side. and so the president and you see that

expressed both presidents will instruct the appropriate members of our government to bring to finality the signature of the deal and the signature of this agreement, so that that is communicated today. and that's going to happen. that was not the subject of our talks today. i thought i made you know, i expressed that on our way in, we were here in pursuit of peace. that doesn't mean the minerals deal is not very important. it most certainly is. and we expressed that today in the statements we put out jointly that the president, our respective presidents have instructed the appropriate members of their governments to bring this to finality and to conclusion. the second part of your question was. >> the does the security assistance include. >> no, there was one after that. >> there we go. >> yeah. what's back on track here hopefully, is peace. that's what matters the most. i know everyone is looking for who likes this is this is serious stuff, okay? we're not this is not mean, girls. this is not some episode of some television show. this is very serious. people are going to today. people will die in this war. they died yesterday. and sadly, unless there's a cease fire tonight, they will die tomorrow. the president wants that to stop. that's what he's interested in here. and that's why we came here. that's why

we're grateful for the kingdom of saudi arabia hosting us here. and what we leave here with today is a commitment that the ukrainians are ready to stop fighting. they're ready to stop the shooting so that they can get to the table and bring about peace for their country and for the world. on the security. >> well, i mean, i just can't echo enough president trump's president of peace. that's what he's demanding. and he's willing to take tough measures on on all sides to to drive that home. and in terms of the security assistance, it's the current presidential drawdown authority. i'll refer to the defense department on the issues of what munition was where in the process. but it's the current pda that will that will proceed to the ukrainians. >> all right, everyone, thank you. thank you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> effective immediately. >> yeah, yeah. thanks for your patience. you guys are all. >> solong. >> very big news coming out of these negotiations between ukrainian officials and american officials in saudi arabia. if it proceeds to the next phase. but we just heard from the secretary of state and the national

security adviser there saying ukraine has accepted what they are characterizing as a u.s. proposal for an immediate 30 day ceasefire. the offer, rubio said, is that ukraine is ready to stop shooting and to start talking. he said they're going to take that to the russians. if the russians essentially balk, is how he described it. that's my word, balk. but he said, we will know what the impediment to peace is. >> yeah. rubio there saying that the ball is now in russia's court. he was asked specifically whether there was a deadline for russia to accept. he said, we want them to answer as soon as possible. he alluded to people dying tonight and likely tomorrow if the ceasefire is not signed. the national security advisor there, mike waltz, saying that all fighting needs to stop for this to move forward. also, we heard from rubio talking about the minerals deal, saying that essentially all that needs to happen is for donald trump and volodymyr zelenskyy to sign off on it, to finalize it. i found it very interesting that when the secretary of state was asked about the relationship with

president zelenskyy after that explosive oval office meeting several weeks ago, he didn't specifically answer whether things were back on track. that's the way that the reporter phrased it. he said that this is not mean girls. this is not some tv show. people are dying. it's notable that he didn't specifically cite how the relationship with zelenskyy was. when there are people within the trump administration calling for the ukrainian president to step aside. and also he's not there in saudi arabia. >> that's certainly right. what's clear is that this process is meant to insulate the process from the interpersonal animus, right, that we see between zelenskyy and trump. let's bring in ian bremmer, who is the founder and president of eurasia group and gzero media, to talk about this. we also should note, ian, that military aid and intelligence sharing, which had been paused from the u.s. to ukraine, is now being reinstated. it sounds like, as it was before. what do you make

of this development? of course, with the understanding russia has a big say here well, irrespective of how the russians respond, this has changed the dynamic. >> i wouldn't say this puts zelenskyy back in trump's good graces. that's an exaggeration, but it certainly means that the ukrainians have some initiative, that they have been prepared to accept the terms as offered by the united states to stop the fighting for 30 days, and they're prepared to do that right now. and given that trump's election campaign promise for months is i'm going to end this war and the american people, whether you're democrat or republican, you'd like to see this war over. you'd like to see the fighting stop. you'd like to see the money stop. you'd like to see the killing. stop. so now zelenskyy can say i've approved that, and the europeans can stand up for it. and i suspect they will in very short order. we haven't heard that yet. but over the coming

hours, i suspect you'll see lots of europeans saying, yes, we're in favor of this. what about putin? and, you know, putin hasn't taken back all of the territory that ukraine occupies right now in kursk, in russian territory. he certainly wants to do that. he has acted correctly, in my view, as if time is on his side that he can outlast the ukrainians. so he has much less interest in in accepting these terms, certainly not by themselves. i mean, his interest in talking to trump has been all about a broader deal between russia and the united states, not focused on the ukrainian ceasefire. ukraine as just a piece of that, and probably not the first piece from from the kremlin's perspective. so clearly, i think at the very least, i can't imagine that putin is going to suddenly accept these terms in the next 24 hours. i suspect he's going to want to get a meeting directly with trump as

soon as possible, face to face, where he can talk about if i'm going to end this war and give you something you really want, what are all of the other things that we could and should be doing together? and by the way, let's keep the europeans out of that conversation. that's where i think putin's head is right now. >> to that point, ian, how significant was it? is it that to this point, the united states has not explicitly said what concessions it wants to see from the kremlin, because we've heard them sort of delineate what ukraine should be prepared to do. but they haven't said much about what they're anticipating. putin might give up well, first of all, they want putin to give up the offensive. >> putin is right now the side that has more momentum, the side that can effectively outlast, credibly outlast the ukrainians in terms of the fighting. and the americans are asking the russians to stop that, so that

let's be very clear, that may not sound like a concession because the russians started the war, they invaded. they killed all these innocent ukrainians. but from putin's perspective, that is a concession. so let's just stipulate that to have this conversation trump has also at least alluded to the fact that there will be consequences for russia if they're not prepared to accept that. so that's i don't know if i'd call that a concession, but it's certainly not a carrot. it's a stick. now, beyond that, the russians are very far from where the americans are right now. the russians want more territory than they presently have. they presently occupy they they want to have all the territory that they have. according to them, legally annexed. they also want guarantees that ukraine will never join nato. they want to ensure there aren't any european boots on the ground in terms of security guarantees. they want the removal of zelenskyy, who

they consider to be illegitimate. there are a lot of russian demands that would need to go by the wayside for them to simply accept a 30 day cease fire, no strings attached. so we are right now, we are very far for the bid offer, right? i mean, what what trump and zelenskyy have just said that they've essentially agreed to through marco rubio and mike wallace and through zelenskyy's advisers, that's very far from what we've heard from putin, by the way. a very important thing will be for trump to very quickly say or post that he completely accepts everything that just came out of riyadh that everything rubio and waltz just said. he stands 100% behind because you don't want wiggle room for putin to be able to say, well, sure, i get you want these 30 days. but of course, we've got this bigger conversation that we're having

with trump. you don't want trump to give putin that option. you want trump to say, no, no, no. we can talk about the broader relationship. but right now, what i'm demanding is 30 days, we're going to see a cease fire. and we've got to see how putin responds to that. assuming that trump stands up behind what we just heard from his cabinet members. >> all right, ian, if you can stand by for us as we are following this developing news, this breaking news marco rubio secretary of state saying in saudi arabia, the ball is now in russia's court as u.s. and ukrainian officials have come to an agreement on a 30 day cease fire. they're going to put before russia. let's go to alex marquardt. he's there in saudi arabia. alex, we heard you asked that first question during the availability. i'm not sure you got a straightforward answer to your question, but just take us through what has happened there today. it's a big day. >> it certainly is. and the expectation, the way that rubio had framed it on the way in, was that this was going to be a

listening session, that the u.s. side was going to be listening to the american side to eventually sort of come up with some positions that they could then take back to the russians. this, brianna, is a lot more concrete. this shows that not only is this u.s., ukraine relationship essentially back on track, but they are moving forward in tandem. one of the things that we thought would be discussed today was a ukrainian proposal for a partial cease fire. instead, what we're learning now is essentially that the u.s. took that and ran with it, and they are now saying that this is a u.s. proposal, not for a partial, but for a full cease fire for at least 30 days immediately. that could then be extended. so this goes well beyond what the ukrainians were imagining and putting forward. and so when i asked rubio for specifics, he made clear this isn't just about the end of aerial bombardment and the end of the fighting in the black sea

that the ukrainians talked about. he wants the u.s. wants all of the guns to fall silent. and he says that the ukrainians have agreed to this. and now it goes to the russians at multiple levels, he says, because we know that that steve witkoff, the special envoy, is going to be in in russia later this week, but this is going to be communicated, we're told, to the russians at several levels. and if the russians don't accept it, rudy rubio said, we will then know who the impediment to peace is. and of course, he's referring to the russians. there. the other big part of this is that military and intelligence assistance that had notably been paused, that severely damaged the ukrainians in the wake of that disastrous white house meeting that is now immediately being lifted. that pause, it will immediately go back into effect. we heard the national security adviser, mike waltz, saying it will go back to the normal stream of things, if you will. the presidential drawdown authority, as it's known. so two major wins for the

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weighing in, saying that musk was taken out of context. so let's play what musk said so folks can hear it for themselves. >> i mean, the way support in entitlement spending, which is all of the which is most of the federal spending, is entitlements. so that that's that's like the big one to eliminate, because that's the sort of half trillion, maybe 6 or 700 billion a year. the president's gone through a long list of absurd things. why are there 20 million people who are definitely dead, marked as alive in the social security database? why were hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars of small business administration loans were given out to people aged 11 and under? according to the according to the social security? >> that's musk in his own words. so let's fact check those claims. cnn's senior reporter, daniel dale is here. daniel, a lot of claims about fraud. take us through them.

>> a lot of claims. so let's start with the social security one, because i think it's a good example of how these very large number that mr. musk and president trump are using in terms of waste and fraud in the federal government are based on what we can generously call misunderstandings. maybe you could use a harsher word. so we do know there is a well known issue documented by the federal government of people being listed as alive in a social security database, even though they are deceased. but what they don't mention is that this does not mean all of those people, or even many of those people, are actually receiving social security benefits. so, for example, the social security inspector general looked into this, for a 2022 2023 report, found that about 19 million people aged 100 or older were listed as not being dead. so way too many, but critically, only 44,000 of those people were actually getting social security checks. so suddenly you go from, oh, maybe we got billions, tens of billions in fraud here to a much, much smaller number. now, this claim about 11 year olds or children receiving these small business loans, i don't know

what's going on there, but based on the track record from mr. musk, i wouldn't be surprised if this was, again, some sort of administrative issue. yes. sloppiness? yes. errors, but not evidence of mass fraud. we'll wait and see. but that's what keeps happening with these claims. >> and the white house is pushing back. this is their response. it's titled fact check. president trump will always protect social security, medicare. and it goes on to say in part, quote, the trump administration will not cut social security, medicare or medicaid benefits. president trump himself has said it over and over and over again. you know, what do you think about that? but also, experts say, in order to do these kinds of cuts, you just have to be honest and say, you're going to have to tinkle, tinkle, not tinkle. >> some of us may have to. >> tinkle, some may. it is a three hour show. >> tinker to. >> tinker with entitlements, but that's like a third rail. and you say that and voters understandably get very nervous. >> yeah. so here's what we know. about 60% of federal spending is these entitlements.

it is mandatory spending medicare, medicaid, social security. so if you say you're not going to touch that stuff, you got 40% left, but 10% is interest payments. you can't you can't mess with those. then you got 30%, but half of that 30%. so another 15 is defense spending, which president trump said the other day he doesn't want to cut, at least right now. so then, if you're not touching any of those things, you got this 15% left of outlays, which is other discretionary spending. basically, you have to get rid of all of it, which you're not going to do. so i will note that in that white house so-called fact check, they said he won't cut medicare, medicaid, social security benefits, benefits. so i think that leaves them some vocabulary kind of wiggle room to say, oh, we did make some tweaks. we achieved some savings. we're not cutting word games you see often from f often from people of both parties. >> yeah. and republicans that we've spoken to specifically have suggested that there might be some tweaks to work requirements and that sort of thing. so it leaves the space open when they say benefits for that kind of discussion. i do wonder, because we've had multiple folks that have been defending doge on lately.

they've made all sorts of claims about the amount of money that is saved, and we've pointed out multiple times that on their wall of receipts on their website, that's been adjusted. i mean, a dozen times. >> perhaps so many. i don't know how many, but but many. you guys have done great fact checking on that. so they claim on this website, they claim they've saved $105 billion. they have not corroborated anywhere close to that amount. and that so-called wallet receipts repeatedly stuffed, deleted, changed. so they claim that they saved $8 billion by cutting what was actually an 8 billion, 8 million contract. they claim that they saved money by canceling contracts that actually ended under the bush administration, under the biden administration. some of them, they're double counting, triple counting, making various errors so that 105 billion number still not even close to the trillion. they want to cut a trillion plus. but even that 105 billion number has not come close to being corroborated. >> all right, daniel dale, thank you so much. always appreciate the fact check. thank you. and next we do have some new numbers

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those patients, about 78%, are kids. also affected are the unvaccinated and those with an unknown vaccine status. just five cases, around 2% are people who say they've received at least one dose of the mmr vaccine. >> and it was five years ago today that another unchecked virus brought most of the world to a halt. five years ago today, if you can imagine that the covid 19 outbreak declared a pandemic by the world health organization, doctor paul offit is co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, which the cdc recommends for universal use in infants. is with us now. doctor offit vaccines slowed covid all but eliminated the measles from this country. how are you thinking about that today well, i mean, you're right. >> we when we had our second dose recommendation for a measles vaccine in 1989, within ten years we had eliminated measles from this country. and even though measles comes into

this country from other countries, because we had a high vaccination rate, high population immunity, it never spread from american child to american child. but over the last 25 years, there's been an erosion in vaccine confidence. there's been fear of vaccine safety. and probably most importantly, i think not only have we largely eliminated measles, we've eliminated the memory of measles. and i think that's part of the problem. >> to that point, these 225 or so cases in west texas, another 30 in new mexico. how far do you think this outbreak could spread? >> well, it certainly before there was a vaccine, we'd have 3 to 4 million cases a year, 50,000 hospitalizations and 500 deaths. i mean, you're seeing now that a susceptible community is being infected with a virus that's highly contagious, and there are many communities, like the mennonite community, where immunization rates around 80%. you know, i was in philadelphia in 1991 where we had 1400 cases and nine deaths, again centering on two religious groups that

were under-vaccinated. we had an outbreak in brooklyn in 2018, 2019. there was again an under-vaccinated community. there were 650 cases in california in 2014, 2015. an under-vaccinated community in southern california, it spread to seven states, spread to canada, spread to mexico. so it's a highly contagious virus. it's the most contagious virus. and i think when you're unvaccinated, it's a problem. the other thing that's interesting, you're actually better off being unvaccinated, living in a highly vaccinated community than being vaccinated, living in a highly unvaccinated community. so when you say that there are a handful of people who, despite being vaccinated, are or have become infected, that's because no vaccine is 100% effective. and when you have a highly unvaccinated community like this one, then you're more likely to be exposed and more likely to get sick. >> yeah, that's a really interesting point. and also brings into relief something else we wanted to check in with you about, which is that last month, the fda canceled a meeting to discuss the composition of flu vaccines for

this fall's flu season. they're always kind of gaming out. what what should it be so that we can try to have maximum protection for the next flu vaccine? you were supposed to be there. do you have any update on that? >> well, i think that meeting was canceled. i think the fda is just going to take this in-house and make the decision without the transparency of an external advisory committee. i mean, the good thing about having a group of 12 or so experts who are independent of the government, independent of pharmaceutical companies, is we can then hold that the sort of science behind a policy to a high standard, and it's open to the public. so it's transparent. and i think you lose that. and i think when you lose the transparency, i think the public, if anything, becomes more distrustful. there was also an advisory committee of immunization practices to the cdc meeting that was canceled. and i just worry that this is suggesting something bigger. >> to that point. there's this axios-ipsos american health index that shows that trust and

public health institutions and leaders remains divided. it either declined or never fully recovered as a result of covid. i wonder what reflections you might have over the last five years and what could have been done differently, whether these lasting impacts might provide lessons not only on public health messaging, but any steps from here forward with outbreaks like this measles, one. >> well, you're certainly right. i think that during the last five years of this pandemic, especially the first two years of the pandemic, i think we lost the public's trust, which is ironic in the sense that we had a vaccine that clearly saved about 3 million american lives, and there were at least 250,000 people who, by choosing not to get a vaccine, lost their lives. but i think the communication, i think, probably could have been done a little more out in the open in terms of how policy decisions were being made. i think we had to be humble right from the beginning because you learn as you go, and i don't think we adequately showed how. we really did need to learn as we go.

we're building the airplane while it's in the air. maybe our statements were a little too definitive, and i think that put people off so that right now we, i think, have probably at the lowest level of vaccine confidence, certainly in my lifetime. >> and we do want to note now we just got this in doctor offit that the measles outbreak has expanded to 258 cases. so it's up over 250. and there are now new cases in oklahoma. so this has gone from west texas to new mexico. now in oklahoma, i know that you were probably not particularly surprised by that. >> no, i mean, two years ago we had 58 cases. last year we had 285 cases. this year we're already at 258 cases. and it's february. i mean, or i'm sorry, it's march. this is a virus that will spread certainly through at least mid-may. so we have a couple more months of this. and i think we are certainly going to exceed last year's levels massively.

>> doctor paul offit appreciate the expertise and the conversation. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> so today, saudi arabia and qatar are condemning israel's decision to cut off electricity to the gaza strip, calling the move a violation of international humanitarian law. >> this comes after israel said it cut the flow of electricity to the last facility in gaza that was still receiving power from the israel electric corporation. cnn's jeremy diamond is in jerusalem with more. >> well, brianna, another manmade humanitarian crisis is brewing inside the gaza strip. israel has now cut off electricity to the last remaining water plant inside of gaza that was still receiving israeli electricity. a desalination plant there will have to switch fully to generator power, which, according to the mayor of gaza city, will reduce that. water treatment facilities output of clean drinking water by some 70%, but the electricity cut off to gaza is actually not the

biggest problem inside the gaza strip. the biggest problem is that for the last ten days, nothing has gotten into gaza. no food, no humanitarian supplies, and critically, no fuel has gotten into gaza either. and why is the fuel so critical? because without electricity, much of gaza is currently powered by solar power and by diesel powered generators. everything from hospitals to water treatment facilities, sewage facilities inside the gaza strip, all of that relying on the entry of diesel fuel and for the last ten days, nothing has gotten in and there's no sign of israel easing up on that blockade. human rights organizations and the united nations have accused israel of violating international law by carrying out this effective siege of the gaza strip. and today, we've also now heard from saudi arabia and qatar, who are condemning israel, with the saudis accusing israel of,

quote, collective punishment, while the qataris said that israel is trying to starve the people of gaza. israel, for its part, says that it is using all of this as a negotiating tactic, as a way to pressure hamas as it reengages in those ceasefire negotiations. indeed, today, an israeli and a hamas delegation are both in doha, qatar, and the u.s. special envoy steve witkoff also set to arrive in the qatari capital to see whether or not they can actually iron out a new deal to release more hostages from the gaza strip and extend that ceasefire inside of gaza. the israelis have shown very little interest in moving forward with phases two and three of the cease fire agreement, which would lead to an end of the war in gaza and the withdrawal of israeli troops. instead, it seems that what is on the table is perhaps a deal to extend that ceasefire by a limited amount of time and get maybe as many as half of the remaining hostages in gaza. out. brianna. >> jeremy diamond, thank you for

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