we see is up 6% in the quarter three then up 2% then down 13% in 2025. quarter one. you don't have to be a genius to know that. that trend line is pretty bad. in fact, this past quarter for tesla was the worst quarterly drop compared to the year prior. on record on record for tesla. >> i'm going to apologize because i had an i had an old copy and i went with the wrong question. and i'm like, well, you clearly don't want to talk about his popularity yet, so let's hold it off. yes. okay. tesla. so he trump says that he wants musk to stay in the administration as long as he humanly can. but you know, this whole special purpose government employee limits you to a certain number of days, whatever. however they're going to count that, the public does not necessarily agree, though, with trump's desire to keep musk in the house. >> no, i don't think so. i mean, take a look at musk's net approval rate now. we'll get to his popularity. take a look. here it is. net approval rating in terms of administration. look at this drop from december of 2024. it was minus three points. people are giving musk the benefit of the doubt right. look at where it dropped to now. -18 points. that is a 15 point drop

over just a few months. the more people get to know about musk and the job he's doing, the less they like it. they want musk. adios, amigos. >> so how does he stack up against other trump officials? >> yeah, let me tell. >> you something i don't. >> i you took the words right out of my mouth. i'll tell you something you don't know. let's display them all up on the screen. and what do we see? he is the least popular out of any of the major figures in the trump white house. rubio is right there at the even mark. trump was minus two in the latest fox news poll. how about vance might say, look where musk is all the way down at -18 points. he is by far the least liked person in the trump white house. he is a drag on donald trump. and the question is how many more scaramucci can he last there? >> incredible. thanks so much to you, harry, and thanks to all of you for watching. the source starts now. >> straight from the source tonight. president trump shrugs as the stock market plunges and the dollar weakens amid warnings that his tariffs could throw the united states into a recession.

the president likened it to a surgical procedure. plus, the president confirms and defends the firing of those several national security staffers. today, my latest reporting on who convinced him to do it, not his national security adviser, but a far right activist who once said that 9/11 was an inside job. and the white house declared it was case closed on the signal scandal. but the pentagon's watchdog just opened it back up, launching a brand new investigation. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. tonight, heads of state, business leaders and hundreds of millions of consumers are all anxiously watching the trade war that is now engulfing the planet, stunned by what they saw on wall street today. but over at the white house just a short time ago, we heard from the vice president, jd vance, who actually said he thought it was going to be much worse. >> we're feeling good.

>> look. >> i frankly thought in some ways it could be worse in the markets because this is a big transition. you saw the president said earlier today, it's like a patient who was very sick. we did the operation and now it's time to make the patient better. and that's exactly what we're doing. look, one bad day in the stock market compared to what president trump said earlier today. and i think he's right about this. we're going to have a booming stock market for a long time. >> here's what vice president vance likened to one bad day in the stock market. trillions of dollars in value for american companies vanished as u.s. stocks suffered their worst day in years, making it the biggest one day wipeout since 2020. those numbers, of course, mean a huge difference in the lives of millions of americans because with shoes and clothes mostly made overseas, companies like nike under armor, ralph lauren and levi all down double digits. the stores where you probably shop for your family amazon, target, best buy, kohl's, all down. restaurants concerned about people eating out less also took hits across the board,

and airlines went from high hopes of strong profits to new concerns about people canceling their upcoming trips. even investors in your bank are worried about the threat of a recession. but one person who says today that he is not worried the president. he shrugged off the market turmoil today and predicted an eventual rebound as he left washington. >> it's to be expected where this is a patient that was very sick. we inherited it. we really inherited a terrible economy. as you know, it was a sick patient. it went through an operation on liberation day. and it's going to be a it's going to be a booming country. >> not exactly the boom that economists have been talking about, because as for other countries responding, despite what you heard from the treasury secretary scott bessent here last night urging countries to sit back, take a deep breath, don't immediately retaliate. as he said, this is what we heard from them today.

>> they are all unjustified. unwarranted and in our judgment, misguided. >> i believe the latest decision on tariffs by the u.s. president are fundamentally wrong. >> it's a very. >> bad idea because we have a strength. it's a market of 450. >> million residents. that's europe. >> we are. >> extremely disappointed and regret. that such measures have been implemented. >> we will take. >> all appropriate measures. >> to defend our companies. >> and. >> our brazilian. >> workers. >> now, the first major response came out of canada today, announcing a 25% tariff on cars that are imported from the united states that are not compliant with that trade deal that the president negotiated during his first term in office. other nations are waiting to see whether the president sees these cuts as permanent. some of them say, or maybe as a way to negotiate. despite the president's aides insisting that it is the former. he

contradicted them today when he argued maybe it's the latter. >> i don't think there's any chance they're going to that president trump's going to back off his tariffs. >> this is. >> not a negotiation, jesse. >> this is a. >> national emergency. >> the tariffs give us great power to negotiate. always have. >> asked if he was willing to make a deal with other countries, the president told reporters, quote, it depends. my top economic and political sources are here tonight. and jennifer, when you look at this and you hear the vice president say, it's just one bad day in the stock market, is it that or is this something that we're going to continue to see? >> well, again, i think we have to reflect on the fact that this is the largest tax increase that we've had in more than 50 years. it's taking tariffs up to the highest level they have been since the 1930s. so i don't think it's going to be a quick flash in the pan. these are very very dramatic tariffs and a huge increase from everywhere that we have been. again for for more than for more than 50 years. >> marc short, you were there

the first time that president trump was in office. we keep hearing aid, say economists were wrong when trump did this before and he implemented tariffs and they predicted madness and it didn't happen. it's not going to happen now. but the scope is so much bigger this time around. >> yeah. >> he never. >> did this. >> before caitlin. >> the reality. >> is that there were very targeted terrorists. >> toward china in the first administration, and some steel and aluminum. the reality is, i think markets rallied between election day and inauguration because there was an expectation he would continue his deregulatory agenda and tax relief agenda. i think as the markets begun to digest how, in fact, wild this is and how economically illiterate it is, they've obviously taken a different approach. and for the notion that we're going to be helping to save manufacturing jobs, you've seen whirlpool announced layoffs. you've seen cleveland-cliffs, the biggest steel manufacturer in america, announced layoffs. if they thought this would be working, they would not be announcing layoffs. it's hurting the economy. and there's even a national security component, caitlin. because when we're able

to isolate china in the first administration, we had trade deals with other nations by basically assessing tariffs across the entire globe. you're now pushing those countries into china's hands. and so it's not just an economic catastrophe. it's a national security problem, too. >> what are you hearing from white house officials in terms of is this the response that they predicted here? i mean, i see i've seen a lot of them saying blaming the media or saying that this isn't you know, this is exaggerated compared to what they think is ultimately they believe going to be successful here. >> yeah. >> i mean, i think what you. >> hear from when. >> i talk to white house sources is basically they figured that this reaction was kind of baked in. they thought that the markets would react kind of wonky because they do not want these tariffs, but that eventually they would get to a point where they'd be okay. just like you heard president trump say, i think one thing is like just interesting being a white house reporter right now, which is that you can go through the whole day where white house aides are basically saying, this is not a negotiation, this is an emergency. and then five hours later, you hear from the president who says, yeah, this is a good tool for negotiation. it's just such a fascinating

thing. but i'll tell you, i asked karoline leavitt earlier this week what market indicators they were looking at when trying to assess whether or not these tariffs would be successful. and she basically shrugged off the the stock market. she said that's not real america. and and the stock market will be fine. but i think if people are looking at their 401 s, which are real americans, i think when people are looking at all these other indicators, they don't feel fine right now. the question is, is whether or not they feel fine in a week or in a year. as president trump said, that's how long it may take for manufacturing to come back online. >> you mentioned what the president's top aides are saying. we heard from the commerce secretary. howard lutnick earlier, essentially saying trust trump. >> let donald trump run the global economy. he knows what he's doing. he's been talking about it for 35 years. you got to trust donald trump in the white house. that's why they put him there. let him fix it. i understand it's broken. let him

fix it. >> no one makes a deal like donald. >> trump, right? >> i think i mean, for for them. obviously they have faith in their. >> boss. >> donald trump has had almost a religious belief that tariffs are a good thing going back. >> to 1987. >> if you remember that newspaper ad he took out in the new york times and the washington post calling for tariffs against japan at the time, that was our big foreign. >> we played the comments of him last night telling oprah that, you know, japan was treating the united states so unfairly. it is a long, long, deeply held belief. >> as a. >> political matter. >> that's become a winning message. you had obama talking about needing to rebuild american manufacturing and the damage of nafta. you had biden doing a whole bunch of things during his time in office to try and rebuild american manufacturing and. and even during the last campaign, the harris campaign, internally, they would advisers would say, we can't really talk about tariffs because tariffs are actually kind of popular politically. >> and now. >> the rubber is meeting the road. and you know it i think america is going about to be educated about what this really means. if the economists are right. we're headed towards a towards a pretty rough road. and i think the politics of this issue are going to flip very quickly. >> well, and we know why now

they're arguing it's a national emergency. but on the how of how they calculated all of this. people were trying to crack the code of this last night. i believe we have the equation that we can show you that was published with the white house today. basically someone this is what it looked like on the ustr website, which is, you know, the treasury secretary last night, last night told me when i asked him how they calculated it, that they've got loads of data. they looked at it, but a reporter looked at it. and essentially it's taking a country's trade deficit, dividing it by its exports to the united states and multiplying that by half is that is that. >> the reporter. >> is correct. >> that is. exactly what they did. and again, it has nothing to do with the reality of what they were suggesting. what they said is, again, you remember the president saying, if they charge us, we'll charge them. so the theory behind this was we were going to impose so-called reciprocal tariffs. we were going to put on tariffs at the level of what the other countries were charging us, and then look at what they did. for example, korea has ended up with a 26% tariff. and yet what do we have with korea? a free trade

agreement. so what was korea charging for u.s. exports zero zero duties. and yet they're ending up with this reciprocal tariff of 26%. >> so you don't think it's. >> technically not calculated on the basis of how much another country is actually imposing on the united states? it is exactly as you describe it. how much was the trade deficit that we ran with that country divided by their exports divided by two? and that's the number that we should. >> be calling it. a reciprocal tariff. >> is what you're saying is not a reciprocal tariff. >> well, look, i think that the. >> president can i just say what the vice president said about this last night, who you used to obviously work for? he called it the largest peacetime tax in united states history. the white house and howard lutnick, the commerce secretary, responded by calling him bitter. and basically saying he didn't know what he was talking about. >> well, they're obviously not responding on the facts. the reality is this is an enormous tax hike. and the reality is, i think that the president is committed to this is what he's always believed as michael said, that there's many things he's been flexible on. he's always been consistent on the

protectionism, but he doesn't like the notion of being laughed at. and i think that when you see this comedic sort of formula that's so sophomoric and you see them rolling out, you know, tariffs on small islands that have much larger penguin populations than they actually do people. those things are not going to sit well with the president. maybe we're not appreciating the amount of fentanyl that the penguins are swimming in. but i do think that those sorts of stories are going to bother him the long term, that that could actually be what causes him to actually have some changes. >> you know, republicans defend the white house over pretty much everything. i mean, you know, that from working there in the first term, it's so interesting to see what republican lawmakers are saying now. >> tariffs are a tax. >> on consumers. and i'm not a fan of jacking up taxes on american consumers. >> sometimes in business you have to have short term short term pain to have long term gain. >> it's very damaging. steel and aluminum is. also a significant component of what we manufacture, including ag equipment in kansas. and so the

prices go up. >> there's always. >> short term blowback. but we're looking. >> at the long haul here. >> anyone who says there may be a little bit of pain before we get things right, need to talk to my farmers, who are one crop away from bankruptcy. they don't have time. >> i mean, it's interesting to see how they're they're responding to this. >> yeah. i mean, i think what has been true is that, reporters, democrats have been maybe even a little bit surprised at the fact that republicans haven't been willing to buck president trump on basically anything for the last two months. but now you're starting to see some cracks. i think republicans are kind of divided into two camps right now. there's one camp with markwayne mullin inside of that one basically saying, let's see how it goes. let's give him a little bit of breathing room so he can prove his case. and there's another case moving to try to curtail the executive of what power the executive branch has when it comes to putting in tariffs. and so i think it's going to be interesting to see how this goes. but the reality is, is that these lawmakers are going to have to go home over easter, and they're going to

have to talk to people who are experiencing their 401(k)'s being wiped out. they're going to have to talk to people who may not be happy with this. and then then what do they say? because we know that that's when folks express a lot of anger. >> there's a scenario where the backlash grows very quickly. the stock market continues to deteriorate. you're going to have republicans joining together in the senate objecting to this. trump has it out here and that's that he can he doesn't mind reversing himself entirely. he's done it before many times. and he's already set the predicate here. he said, look, i brought back trillions of dollars of investment. he'll just pick a number and could maybe in a month start pulling these things back. >> we'll see what that looks like. thanks everyone for being here and mark for your humor tonight. those tariffs are already triggering hundreds of layoffs, i should note, and very serious matter at five u.s. auto plants today. what does this mean for those workers? my next source is the head of one of the biggest auto unions in the country. we'll get his thoughts.

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to have you here. mr. fain, you have praised the auto tariffs here, 25% that went into effect last night. what's your response to to what stellantis did today? >> hey, thanks for having me, kaitlin. look, it's more of the same from stellantis, unfortunately. you know, it's interesting. you know, the administration has been very clear that these these tariffs are coming. they backed off twice now. and now that it's time to to be implemented. you know, ford you know obviously has been proactive. they dropped the price of vehicles. they're extending discounts to to consumers. gm announced they're going to bring some work back. and meanwhile stellantis has had several months to prepare, announces that they're going to use employees as collateral damage. it's more the same. so, you know, and that's the thing. you know, there's i heard a lot of talk today about, you know, takes two and a half years and three years to build a plant. there's all this talking heads talking about that and all this fear mongering. you know, there

is excess capacity all over this country right now. and stellantis has excess capacity right in warren, michigan, where they're laying people off again. they can move ram truck production there in very short order, be producing ram trucks. i'm here in chattanooga, tennessee right now. at volkswagen. volkswagen produces 75% of their vehicles in mexico. and you know, there's excess capacity right here at this plant. so lordstown, ohio, lordstown assembly plant i mean, there's plenty of capacity in this country. people forget about the arsenal of democracy and how excess capacity in this country was used to support the war effort and delivered a victory in world war ii for america. and so we really have to look at reality and quit using fear tactics and scare tactics and talking about this. >> now, obviously it's a question for those those workers how what temporary means to them. but i'm glad you brought up, you know, how long it would take to ramp up manufacturing because this has been a real question just in terms of what that looks like. they can't turn on a dime, as you know. and the president was asked this today.

here's what he had to say. >> well, let's say it's a two year process. they start a plant and they're big plants. we're giving them approval to also, in many cases to build the electric facility with it. so you have electric generation and the plant and they're big plants. now the good news is a lot of money for them. and they can build them fast. but they're still very big plants. so i'd always say it would take a year and a half to two years. >> would it take a year and a half to two years? >> well, i mean, look, i think it's a two pronged attack here. i mean, look, these companies can can build new plants, but but the thing they need to do in the immediate to address this crisis in this country is, is use the excess capacity that they already have. like i said, you know, we could be producing ram trucks right back at warren truck where they've been producing them for 80 years, within a month. it's a choice the companies making, and it's a choice that companies are making to sacrifice employees today

versus doing the right thing. you know, so there's a lot of opportunity. and, you know, and this goes back just to a bigger issue. i mean, working class people in this country have been left behind for decades by a broken trade system. tariffs aren't the solution to everything. tariffs are. a r a r a r a tool in the toolbox. but ultimately we've got to fix the broken trade system. and that's the part. unfortunately when we hear all these talking heads talk about the crisis with the stock market dropping. where was the cry out of the crisis when millions of jobs were leaving this country over the last 20 or 30 years? >> well, on that point, when you say tariffs are a tool, i mean, what happens when it's a 10% baseline across the board than 2 or 3 times that on on some of the biggest u.s. allies and biggest u.s. trading partners? i mean, your auto workers, maybe they're happy with the auto tariffs. we saw some of them in the rose garden yesterday cheering the president's moves. but what about when they're paying more for food and clothes and electronics. are they worried about that tonight. >> well i mean i think everyone's worried about it.

but let's let's talk about the real problem here. the real problem isn't these tariffs. the real problem here is corporate greed. i mean, let's talk about the auto industry. the from 2020 to 2023 when they jacked up the price of vehicles 35%, it wasn't because wages went up. it wasn't because of tariffs. people were manipulating and price gouging consumers because of a pandemic that was in place. so, you know, it's a choice. and, you know, we heard the same thing. you know, when we were bargaining our contracts in the big three that if we bargain these great conditions for workers and these record contracts, it was going to be into the world. the companies wouldn't be able to survive. guess what happened? we got record contracts. the companies still paid out billions of dollars in dividends and buybacks to shareholders, and they still made billions of dollars in profit. so, you know, we need to be real and start talking about facts when we talk about these things. and and you know, i keep hearing the i've heard this crying all day about the stock market. you know, a majority of americans don't own stock. working class people, you know, 60% don't have any

retirement savings. that's the crisis in this country. that's what we need to be talking about. and how do we how do we make the trade laws and make these things fair and bring work back to puts people to work where they can, where they can have a decent quality of life? >> yeah. and, you know, on that retirement comment, that's something senator bernie sanders would agree with you on. but i think some people in the audience watching who've seen you on the show before heard you talk, especially during the campaign at the democratic convention and whatnot. they might be surprised to hear you saying no, i agree with what president trump is doing on this front. the vice president was actually asked about this earlier tonight, and this was his response to your comments. >> how funny is it? watching shawn fain. >> the auto worker, the auto workers union guy who, by the. >> way, picked. >> like the. >> guy who. >> tracked the worst horse ever. i mean, like, you picked kamala. over trump and now he's praising the president. i bet you he's got to be embarrassed by his choice in this last election. >> well. >> he trashed. >> us, but we're welcome to have everybody on the team. and shawn fain recognizes what so many auto workers recognize, which is that president trump's

policies are great. and yes, there is some transition that's going to come along with this, but you're already seeing the evidence that things are getting better. >> what do you make of that? >> well, i mean, you know, i mean, let's be blunt about it. there's a lot of things we disagree with this administration on, like eliminating contracts for, you know, hundreds of thousands of federal workers, you know, attacking a lot of the foundational things that support organized labor in this country, like the nlrb and the department of labor and and osha and, you know, free speech rights for people who, you know, are exercising, you know, the right to protest or sit in. but on this issue, we agree on tariffs. and this is what's wrong. this is the biggest this is the problem of what's wrong in america right now. this is why half of americans don't vote, because one party gets in power and the other party blocks everything. the other party gets in power, and the other party tries to block everything. and what happens in that process is the people get left behind. so, leaders, it's time for leaders to step up and lead. and just

because donald trump supports tariffs and we didn't support donald trump in the election doesn't doesn't mean we're going to say, well, because donald trump supports it now. we're going to we're going to say they're bad. we believe this is the right thing to do at this time, especially for the auto industry. and regardless of political party, we've been clear about this. you know, we don't care what party people come from. our mission doesn't change. we expect workers rights to be taken care of. we expect our leaders of this country to look after working class people in this country, and that's what we stand for. there's no flip flopping. there's no 180. it's just doing. it's having integrity. and that's something that's missing in the political system in this country. >> shawn fain great to have you, as always. thank you. >> hey, thanks for having me. >> up next, i'll take you inside a wild meeting inside the oval office that the president had with the far right activist laura loomer that you see here leaving the west wing. it resulted today in the firings of several national security staffers. more ahead. >> united states of scandal with

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dozen staffers and argued that they weren't loyal to his agenda and advocated for them to be fired. i'm told that the national security advisor, mike wallace, had just finished his own meeting with the president. he was in the oval office for part of this meeting with laura loomer, as she pushed to fire several of the senior directors on his team. he defended them, but given the fallout from his role in that signal group chat controversy, he doesn't really have much sway or standing to urge the president to keep them. that much was proven today when we were told that at least four people were fired, with more expected. the president defended the firings, and loomer, who once claimed that nine over 11 was an inside job on air force one. >> i saw her yesterday for a little while. she has. she makes recommendations of things and people, and sometimes i listen to those recommendations like i do with everybody. i listen to everybody, and then i make a decision. always we're going to let go of people. people that we

don't like or people that we don't think can do the job, or people that may have loyalties to somebody else. >> now, this all comes as the pentagon's top watchdog launched a review of the defense secretary pete hegseth use of signal to talk about those military strikes in yemen and whether or not he complied with classification and records retention requirements. my source tonight sits on the senate intelligence select committee. the democratic senator from colorado, michael bennett. and it's great to have you. obviously, you questioned some of the top officials, the cia director, the dni director, on that signal group chat fallout when it comes to this watchdog investigation from the pentagon. do you have confidence that it will be a thorough, substantive investigation? >> i think it will. >> be thorough. >> i think it will be substantive. >> it's amazing that there is an acting. >> ig and the defense. >> department because, as you. >> know, the president fired 17. >> inspectors general across the agencies just to prevent this kind. >> of thing.

>> from happening. but what you're seeing is. there's there's pushback to what donald. >> trump is doing. >> as. president from. >> even a. guy who's just the acting inspector general, who's. taking a job. >> that somebody. >> else was. >> fired from because donald trump. >> was worried. >> that he wasn't. >> as loyal. >> to him as. >> let's say, laura loomer. >> might be. and what kind of questions do you want this investigation to answer? >> i think it's. >> important for them to answer why the top. >> national security. >> officials in the. >> in our. >> government were using signal to to have a discussion about the pending military action in yemen. it's important. for us to understand whether there was classified information. >> although. >> i will tell you, based on what i've seen, there's literally nothing i've seen more classified than what. pete hegseth put on that chat. as a member of the intelligence committee. so i know that will be the determination and and whether they were using official phones. i mean, there are all

kinds of things that people in the pentagon have to do every day to comply and protect the secrets of the united states of america. we want to know if the leadership is doing that to. >> the vice president was asked about the firings of these national security council staffers tonight, which is separate from that. i want you to listen to to what he said about it. >> the president just decided those folks there, you know, they can be good people, but that they weren't helping his agenda. so he's going to hire the people who do. it's very simple. this is so different from the biden administration, where the biden administration would not get rid of anybody. they would not force anyone to suffer any consequences. all the president is saying is, i want my own team and i want the right team around me. >> what does it say to you that the staffers who were fired today were not fired because of the signal controversy? and he was essentially saying there that the biden administration didn't take efforts to or steps to fire people when when it warranted being fired. >> i think what it says to me is

that donald trump wants loyalty to himself, not to the united states of america. you know, he had six secretaries of defense, i think, in his first term as president, because nobody could stay in the job, because nobody could find a way to stay in the job and be loyal to the constitution, not just loyal to donald trump. so it's not surprising that he would put somebody like pete hegseth in as secretary of defense force. my colleagues in the senate to walk the plank to approve his nomination, just to show who's in charge at this moment of the republican party and and what kind of loyalty he's demanding from other people. >> but what does it say that a 9/11 truther, she posted a video that said 9/11 was an inside job. seems to have more sway over who is staffing the national security council than the national security advisor. >> it's fairly staggering, but when it's three weeks of people using signal to reveal classified information about

bombings in yemen. laura loomer might turn out to be the least of our problems. you know, it is a pattern that is disgraceful. and and the problem is that it's poorly serving our national our national security. it's poorly serving the people that serve in our department of defense and our intelligence agencies. and the american people deserve a lot better than this. >> senator bennett, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> up next here, we're going to have more of our reporting on that white house meeting and a reminder who is laura loomer. what has she said before? that's right. after a quick break. >> i get chills. >> just thinking about it. >> come on. >> poisoned. >> seriously? >> at the ups store, we offer a life because running a small business takes a lot. that's why we're the help protect your privacy store and the give your business a real street address store. so while you're juggling

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security council staffers after she argued they were not sufficiently loyal to his agenda. >> so laura loomer is a very good patriot. she is a very strong person. >> now, this revelation that loomer is clearly more influential over who staffs the national security council than the actual national security advisor is, comes, as loomer herself has complained publicly about not getting access to the white house and staff blocking or limiting her access to the president himself. a look at her past comments may show why she once said that if kamala harris wins, the white house will, quote, smell like curry comments that congresswoman marjorie taylor greene condemned. loomer also once said the fbi allows shootings to take place as a way to help the democrat party push for gun control in election years. she called supreme court justice amy coney barrett, a d-i appointee, showing a family photo with barrett's two adopted haitian children. just to be clear, we are blurring out the

faces of her children. loomer did not. she also shared a video claiming that nine over 11 was an inside job. none of that stopped her rise within the president's orbit or his praise for her. >> you've been really very special. >> you work hard and you are. you are a very opinionated lady, i have to tell you that. and in my opinion, i like that a friend of all of ours. and woman. this woman is amazing. laura loomer, where is. >> she? >> where is laura? she is amazing. and a person who's really taken the country by storm. very powerful person, very strong person, very courageous person. a warrior. laura. loomer. laura, where are you? thank you. laura. great job. you did. >> a team of national security and white house insiders joins me now. marc short as someone who is the former vice president's chief of staff, what do you make of loomer's access to the white house? but clearly, also, i think people might see this comment and say,

you know, she's this far right activist that she does have sway with the president, though obviously. >> i think. >> she does. i do think the president, as he said, listens to a lot of people. i'm not sure that's always bad, caitlin, but i also think that mike waltz is one of the stronger people inside the white house. i think it's an incredibly important role. and if you're in a position like that, that basically you're not getting an opportunity to make your own personnel decisions. i think you have to ask, how much longer are you going to serve in that role? and and so i hope he continues, because i think that he's a great voice inside that white house. but if you're not being allowed to make your own personnel decisions, and i think there's basically a signal that's being sent to you from above. >> chris, is that how you see it in terms of obviously, the national security adviser typically does pick those senior director roles, gets to to have them there. obviously the president makes the ultimate decision here, but they work directly underneath the nsa. >> yeah. >> and they're obviously entitled to people that they want to be working in those positions. but there are.

>> just so. >> many questions. about this one. what is laura? putting together this random list of nsc staffers for exactly what is laura loomer right wing conspiracy theorist? as you pointed out, with plenty of examples. what is she doing anywhere near the white house. let alone inside the oval office meeting with the president of the united states? and on top of that, the president taking her advice over mike waltz, the national security advisor on personnel decisions. you know, if he's going to be if the president is going to be accepting random lists of people who he should be considering firing, i would submit pete hegseth and mike waltz themselves for signal gate for putting classified information in an unclassified space that endanger our troops. >> one person she did advocate for the firing of, i was told, was alex wong, who is mike waltz principal deputy, his main deputy. he, as of what we know right now, is still on the job.

he was not fired today. what does that say to you? >> yeah. i mean, i think that it seems like they don't want anybody fired that was anywhere close to signal gate, because at the end of the day, what is true is that donald trump does not want to give the atlantic a scalp. now, let's see how long he lasts. right? is he gone in two weeks? three weeks a month? does he go along with mike waltz? if he leaves pretty soon? i think the reality here, though, and this is what one source said to me, is that even though susie wiles and other folks who really tried to make a more professional oval office white house function, they couldn't keep laura loomer out for the simple fact that donald trump likes her. not only does he listen to her, but he likes her. he enjoys her. he likes the things that she has to say, and he takes some of them into consideration. and so, you know, i know that you said that, you know, up to four people. i've heard as many as six people so far have been let go. and so the reality is, is that she's basically gotten more scalps than all of the reporting has so far. and let's see who else falls in the domino effect. but i think that it is true that donald trump likes her and likes

what she says. and there are people within his orbit who listen to the things that he said that she says. >> i don't think we're done with this story. i think loomer is going to continue to look at other departments. i was told today that the president has asked for information about people at the state department. this goes back to the campaign when charlie spies a very well respected republican lawyer, was brought in to advise donald trump. a group of outside maga loyalists came to trump around susie wiles, and the leadership of the campaign said, don't trust him. here's some things he once said spies was eventually pushed out of that campaign. that's going to, i think, continue this entire entire presidency. >> but you know what? what to in the terms of them not being sufficiently loyal to to the president. you saw mike waltz getting on the air on marine one with trump today, and also sergio gor, who is the head of personnel for trump, who led this entire vetting process over the last few months, including loyalty questions. i mean, this wasn't just, okay, chris, you're in. they grilled these people if they worked for vice

president pence, if they worked for nikki haley, if they worked for anyone like that. >> i don't. >> think this is about loyalty or signal gate. i think it's about what the worldview is. and mike waltz comes from a position of believing that america's role in the world, we should have a strong influence. and i think there are people within that white house, including the ppo, who don't want that. they want america to be retreating and have a more isolationist approach. >> all right. we'll see if this story continues from here. thanks, everyone. and also, he was just sworn in as one of the newest members of the house of representatives. speaker mike johnson is very happy about this. the trump backed candidate, republican congressman randy fine, is here after pulling off a closer than expected special election win in florida. plus, the president tonight talking about ellen's role and his future inside the white house and washington. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you? news saturday on cnn. scout is protected by simparica trio, and. >> he's in it to. >> win it. >> simparica trio is the first to with triple protection. o fleas and ticks. intestinal

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congressman, obviously, speaker mike johnson wanted you sworn in as soon as possible, but this was kind of our first taste to a degree of what voters were thinking about. elon musk i know his superpac was sending out messages on your behalf praising you. how much of a factor do you think he played in the minds of voters in your district. >> president trump or elon. >> musk, elon musk? >> it's hard to tell. i mean, because they got merged together. what i will tell you. >> in my district is we. >> saw that democrats. >> were angry. >> and they turned out because every time president trump wins, they lose. >> they don't. >> believe in president trump's agenda. >> but we. >> also saw. >> republicans who support. president trump. >> turn out in record. >> numbers for a. >> special election. >> the lines were. >> longer on election day than they were last november. >> for voters. >> and they were so long they went beyond the zone where you could actually talk to people. >> as i. >> talked to dozens of voters on election day, the ones who supported me said, tell president trump we're still with them. >> but on the elon musk of it all. did you hear that from voters when you were talking to them during the campaign, or was that not really something that

came up? >> no, i hear the opposite. i mean, voters are angry about the kinds of things that elon musk is finding, whether it's the condom boxes, 300 year olds on social security. i mean, and by the way, voters are grateful. elon musk is the wealthiest guy in the world. he doesn't need to do any of this. he doesn't benefit from any of it. in fact, it hurts his companies. and i think people are grateful. >> you know, you just mentioned turnout and excitement. republicans were sweating your race near the end of it. i'm sure you heard this from republican. republican leaders. what did you hear? i mean, we had reporting that they had said the campaign needed to get it stuffed together, but they used an expletive. what was the feedback you got? >> well, look. >> we were always working hard. our polling showed that 50% of republicans plan to vote on election day. that's unique to florida. our voters still vote on election day. so as the democrats were turning out, people freaked out, but then they showed up on election day. i won by 14 points. cook rates. my district is plus 14. when ron desantis ran the first time for congress, he won by 14. so the result was completely normal. i think a lot of the concern was unneeded. >> well, and they were looking

back at how much president trump won the district by in the fall, 30 points and saying that margin was too close for comfort for them. but i'm glad you brought up governor desantis, because he was saying that the argument, the results in those numbers was about you essentially. >> i think you have. >> a candidate in randy fine who won. >> he's a squish, okay? >> he repels people. >> i think. >> the election day. >> turnout was. >> really good. >> for. >> special election for republicans in. >> the. >> district. and i attribute that to president trump's intervention. i think these are voters who didn't like randy fine, but who basically are like, you know what? we're going to take one for the team. president needs another vote up there. and so we're going to do it. so i do i would not read into the underperformance that this is somehow a referendum on, on, on maga or trump. i think it was a unique issue with this particular candidate. >> i'm going to guess you two aren't very close. >> no, i think i'm ronald. ron desantis is repelled by me. i think that much is shown. but look, ron has never forgiven me

for endorsing president trump in 2023. i was the first legislator to switch from him to president trump. and i'm the only jewish republican in the florida legislature. it was a big deal, but i'm not interested in trying to set petty political scores. my focus is how i run up the score for my district. he's looking in the past, i'm looking to the future. >> and he didn't endorse you or your opponent, who is also running in the other district where it was a special election. didn't really do a lot. he was actually pretty critical of you as a candidate when it was the crescendo of republican panic over your race. what does that say to you about governor desantis view of keeping republicans in the house and keeping that majority? >> well, look, it was disappointing. i think he should have. however he feels about me, he should have said what matters is the team. and look, had he beaten president trump, i'd have been all in for him. despite our real personal issues. it was disappointing. but look, it's his right to do that. i don't think it will be remembered well. but now we move forward and we figure out how to improve the country. >> well, you're ready for washington at least. congressman randy. fine. great to have you.

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