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new tariffs? and how long could this chaos last? plus, a strike in court hearing today ends with the judge ordering the united states government to return a man who the government admits was mistakenly deported there on a strict deadline to make that happen. and tell us what you really think former president obama and former vice president harris, weighing in on trump's second term so far from the economy to immigration and the massive cuts to the federal government. bill lee. tonight, it's day two of global market chaos following the tariff announcement from president trump yesterday that sent stocks tumbling and nations scrambling with retaliation. now on the table, let's talk to jeff zeleny. jeff zeleny is in palm beach, west palm beach with the president. jeff. >> jake. president trump remained defiant throughout the day in the face. >> of global. >> turbulence, not only in the financial markets, but in conversations with foreign leaders as well. this, of course, was the worst economic

week, the series of a couple days since the pandemic, all in the wake of the president's tariff policy that he announced on wednesday. but the president began his day about 15 minutes after the markets opened here in the u.s., going to his golf course. he remained there for nearly six hours. he was doing a mix of working, i'm told, as well as golfing, talking to some foreign leaders, vietnam being one, signaling that negotiation trying to pressure the chairman of the federal reserve shortly before he was scheduled to speak, urging him to lower interest rates. let's take a look at one of these messages on truth social. the president said this. this would be a perfect time for fed chairman jerome powell to cut interest rates. the president said he is always late, but he could now change his image and quickly cut interest rates. jerome and stop playing politics. so you get the sense the president trying to force some blame there on the federal reserve. that had nothing to do with this tariff policy. but as powell spoke, he

said, this is indeed going to be inflationary. he said there is no doubt about that. but throughout the day, the white house officials we were speaking with said the president is a bit alarmed by the market, but he is not guided by the market. the question here, as this deadline begins to start on midnight, that's when the 10% tariffs are scheduled to go into effect, of course, followed by next wednesday. the higher tariffs for several other countries. is the president still open to negotiation? that remains a bit of a conflicted question. his advisers say no, he is not. but he has signaled that yes, he is. so, jake, as we begin the weekend here, certainly one of the worst weeks of the trump presidency in terms of the markets and the global economy. and one adviser i talked to said, look, this was not a caused by a pandemic or a terrorist attack. it was caused by a president's own policy. he was not out selling his ideas to the country. he was here on the golf course in florida. jake. >> all right. jeff zeleny in west palm beach with president

trump, republican senator markwayne mullin from the great state of oklahoma joins us. do you think just to pick up on what jeff said, do you think the president should be explaining this policy and out there selling it more? because, i mean, it is a big idea about remaking the american economy and bringing manufacturing jobs to the united states. and i don't know how long it's going to last. i don't know how turbulent it's going to get. i think there needs to be a little bit more, at the very least explanation, don't you? well, jake, he's been out there since he was campaigning. he was telling everybody exactly what he was going to do. in fact, if you want to, you can go all the way back to when he was in office the first time. this is just this is just picking up where he left off. he's made it very, very clear. we've got to reset the trade imbalance. >> that is happening. >> inside the united states. we've allowed countries to take advantage of our economy. they have become rich. they have sucked trillions of dollars out of our economy, and we've lost manufacturing jobs. we're no longer a leader in manufacturing anymore. we're allowing them to leave the country, set up manufacturing and manufacturing

companies in a different country, and then sell the product back to us. and truthfully, these countries, they need access to our economy more than we need access to theirs. you've already seen cambodia. you've already seen vietnam. you've already seen israel. and united kingdom now is saying they want to negotiate, and the president is open to making a deal. he is always been about reciprocal tariffs and equal access to the economy. israel dropped all tariffs on the united states before liberation day and still got slammed with, well, tariffs. but i said access to their economy, too. mind you, japan has 0% tariffs on united states automakers selling their products inside japan. but yet they can't actually sell because they don't have equal access to their economy. so israel they dropped the tariffs. but there is still a large barrier because of the way their government is set up and the way the regulations are set for us to actually be able to sell their

goods in there at a competitive price. so you said that president trump is trying to even the playing field. and obviously that's a great goal. level playing field. today, instead of removing its tariffs, china announced a 34% tariff increase on u.s. goods coming into china. that's matching what president trump calls reciprocal tariff. trump's 34%. isn't there also the risk that this is just going to make the playing field even more uneven? well, no. let's think about that. over 40% of the manufacturing goods that are produced in china are sold back to the united states. we're not even close to having the same amount. so they have 40% of their manufacturing jobs dependent on our economy. they need to sell their products inside the united states much more than we do. this is why they set up the belt and road initiative years ago, because they wanted to limit their. dependency on inside the united states. we can we can walk down the belt and road initiative forever and understand why

that's a hard line for china to even make. but the truth is, they need us more than we need them. listen to something. your republican colleague, senator ted cruz, from just down south of oklahoma and texas, they're still trying to figure out how to play football in texas. well, that's another day. this is. listen to what he posted today. >> if we're in a scenario 30 days from now, 60 days from now, 90 days from now, with massive american tariffs and massive tariffs on american goods and every other country on earth, that is a terrible outcome. >> so he's talking about one month, two months, three months. what do you think? do you agree? i don't think we're going to be one month, two months or three months down the road. i think we're experiencing a very short term pain for a long term gain. president trump is not interested in making political decisions. he's interested in understanding that we're wanting to set up our economy for the future. we have continued to to gain bigger deficits and trade deficits with different countries around the world. if we're ever going to right the ship, if we're ever going to

take care of it, this is the time to do it. and president trump is just the president to do it because he's a business guy leading from the oval office, not a politician. someone had to eventually take this bull by the horns and change the direction we're going. and president trump is willing to do that, and he's he's going to do that. we're not going to be talking about this in 90 days. what we're going to be talking about in 90 days is how many manufacturing jobs are coming back to the united states. we're going to be talking about access to new markets for manufacturers that are here. and we're going to talk about reciprocal fair and trade balancing balance with with our allies across the world in our economy. you know, it's not just democrats criticizing the president on this. it's not just economists. it's a lot of conservatives. take a listen to ben shapiro. >> it is a. >> tax paid for by americans. >> so this is a. >> massive tax increase on american consumers. that's what it is. and it is designed to be. >> so i mean i've heard it described by economists who generally support trump as the

biggest tax increase since 1968. well, if i'm going to be following somebody, i'm going to be following a guy that's been very successful in business and knows exactly what's going on. he's been talking about this since 2015, about the way that the the u.s. is unfairly treated and the way we allow people to take advantage of us. and he knows because he's been in business, he's been in the retail business. he understands the he understands terrorists better than any president we've ever had. and i would say any politician that we've ever had elected to office, this is the time and this is the place to figure this out and fix it. now, according to the oklahoma department of commerce, your state's top three export customers are canada, mexico and germany. that accounts for a combined total of more than $3 billion. and while most of us probably think of oklahoma maybe producing farm products nuclear reactors, industrial machinery and parts, among the state's top experts, i'm sure you have some nervous constituents calling you people who support president trump voted for president trump, but they're saying, oh, my god,

what's going on? what are you telling them? you'd be surprised. you remember, all 77 counties voted for president trump all three times. they support president trump. and they understand what a business investment is. when you invest in a business, sometimes you take it a little bit of gain and a little bit of risk to have long term success. we're willing to do that. now. have i heard from some people that just want to have clarity on what the end goal is? absolutely. have i had heard from business leaders around the state that are upset? absolutely not. they support what's trying to happen here. we're big in the aerospace industry. canada has been taken advantage of us. we have literally had businesses lose their business in oklahoma and have to go set up in canada because the trade differences have taken place. we're going to right the ship and bill lee allow those companies to come back to oklahoma and build their products. so the reason that we're lucky enough to have you here in studio on a friday is when you normally would be back in oklahoma. is the senate's working on a budget resolution? right. there are calls to use the $600 billion or so that the

trump team claims these tariffs will raise to generate every year. there are calls to use that $600 billion to to pay for more tax cuts. what do you say to that or is that. well, we're not looking at doing more tax cuts. we're looking at extending current policy, extending the trump tax cuts, current policy right now expires at the end of this year. and if it expires, jake, we're going to see a $4 trillion tax increase on every american, regardless of what tax bracket you're in on every american. what we're saying is let's extend the tax policy that president trump put in in 2018 and make it permanent. why would we want it to to expire right now? why would we want to increase taxes on american people right now? that is not the right plan, and we don't want to do that. and so the budget doesn't do that. the budget gives us an opportunity to get to reconciliation. that does make that happen. remember, this is a two step process, right? we got to pass a budget first before we can get to reconciliation to get the cuts that doge is doing to get the waste and fraud out of

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crisis. last time the market was going through this literally was when covid was hitting the united states. last night you talked to cnbc's jim cramer. >> yeah. >> and, you know, jim was. >> talking. >> about how. >> oops. >> how badly we've. >> been taken. >> advantage of. >> and i thought. >> they were going. >> to do something. >> and what. >> did they do? >> they cratered the stock market and gave us nothing. >> sorry we didn't cue you well enough on that, erin. >> no, that's okay, but jim, jim says it. i mean, look, he says he's talking about they did nothing. i mean, what they did is. >> you know, he. >> jim, was under. >> the belief that. >> they would do truly reciprocal tariffs, which. >> is something he. >> actually isn't against, even though. many economists are. >> jim said he would. >> have been okay. >> with that, but that's obviously not. >> what. >> they did. as you. >> know. >> jake, it's not what they did at all. >> the overall loss. >> in. >> the market, though, when you talk about. >> it. >> $6.6 trillion. >> over two days, jake. >> it's a 10% plunge.

>> it's a. >> stunning number. >> just to put it in context. >> obviously these are stocks. but that plunge in two. >> days, it is it. is greater. >> than the gdp. >> of france and the united kingdom combined. it is. it is. >> almost two times as big as the gdp. >> of germany. it is 25%. >> of the gdp of. >> the united. >> states of america. >> all that just wiped out in two days. you know, fareed. >> writing today. >> fareed zakaria. >> called this capricious, capricious. >> and dumb. >> were the words he used. >> i talking to traders. >> after. >> the close, jake. i mean, they're stunned. >> and i'm getting. >> these. >> uniform descriptions, whether. >> it's from traders or investors. how do they feel? dark. bad. there's no silver lining. ugly. grim. we're now hoping on judges to block this. that's where it is. and that's it is. i would say when you reference that back to covid times. >> that's. >> the feeling. >> a feeling of. completely being unmoored, of uncertainty. >> of fear. >> of not knowing where things are going. that's the feeling in the market. and that's. >> that's. >> what we're seeing. and it's also important to note, jake, the markets closed. >> at their lows. >> often when. >> you start to see people. >> feel better you'll see it bounce at.

>> the end. >> it will still end down but it will come back a little bit. you didn't see that today. >> and you didn't. >> see that yesterday. >> yeah. i don't know about you. i'm just not looking at my portfolio. i'm not looking at my 401(k). i'm just going to like, i'm i'm 56. i got a little time before they put me on the ice floe, so i'm just not looking. >> yeah, well, you know, and. you got jason furman out. you know, former obviously economist. >> he was saying, look, you've got to deal with. >> if this. >> continues, you could see a. >> real. >> crash. >> and think about. >> that, jake, to what. >> you just said the. >> past two days. >> not a crash but. that could be coming. >> erin burnett. thank you so much. of course. stick around. aaron will be on right after us. erin burnett outfront tonight at 7 p.m. that's just in 42 minutes. my political panel is here. so for president trump, this is promises made, promises kept. you heard senator markwayne mullin say this is what he said he was going to do on the campaign trail. but and even more so here's here's an interesting quote from the washington post. one white house official told the washington post, quote, he's at the peak of just not giving an f anymore bad news stories. doesn't give an f, he's going to do what he's going to do. he's going to do what he promised to do on the campaign trail. so, okay, he's

not up for reelection anymore. at least everybody continues to abide by the u.s. constitution. but do you really think he doesn't care? like he's not watching the market? he's not hearing any of the criticism from business leaders who love him generally. >> yeah. look. >> what i'm telling. >> people is, if i think there's. a vietnam type scenario where someone will come to him and say, let's make a deal. >> i think. >> he's open to that. >> he wants to cut a deal. >> but if. >> he was going to be spooked by the markets or spooked by republican members. >> of congress that. >> were getting shaky, the off ramp was a month or 2 or 2 ago or even a week or two ago. right? at this point, he is certainly not. >> going to turn. >> back now, right? he is going to be relentlessly stubborn about it. and i think that is what we're going to see. and i. >> would tell republican members. >> of congress, the same thing is that this is happening whether you're on board or not. and so, you know, you need to make a decision what's right for you and your district. but the idea that suddenly he's going to turn this around or that, you know, you can pass a bill that's going to turn it, it's just not reality. >> it's really it's not what conservatives or republicans have stood for in a long time. but he's just completely

changed the republican party. >> he's changed the republican party starting in 2017. and, you know, i keep telling people this number. >> which is. >> if you look at the members of. >> congress right now, republican members of congress, 70% of them have been. >> elected since. >> donald trump was elected in 2016. this congress is a trump congress. this party is a trump party. this is the. all of the things that he's doing right now are the things that he has been talking about, not just for the last four years, but since the 1980s. >> they did. >> believe they could change his opinion on something. >> even the economists in the last couple of days have said they didn't think he would go this far. right. he was talking about how many exit polls and polls did americans say, well, we don't think he's really. going to do it, or they didn't think he was going to do it in a way that might harm them. they didn't think he was going to do it in a way that when you then layer on doge and you then layer on tax cuts, we're going to completely obliterate their lives. and this is and by the way, it's all self-inflicted

trump inflicted pain. it's not covid, it's not a pandemic. it's something he is literally doing to us. >> so so i just want to roll some sound because we just heard the first comment first, first public comment in a while from both former president obama and former vice president harris, both of them talking about trump. take a listen. >> i'm not here to say i told you so. stay has a way of being contagious. preach. okay. when one person. has fear, it has a way of spreading to those around them. >> i think. people tend to think democracy. >> rule of law. >> independent judiciary. >> freedom of the press. >> that's all abstract stuff. >> because it's not. >> affecting the price of eggs. well, you know what. >> it's about to affect. >> the price of eggs. >> what do you make of the tone of their comments? >> i think both of them were

talking about both how to have courage in this moment. personally, i felt like she could have said, i'm not here to say i told you so, but i could. but she could have if she wanted to. well. >> i think. she was saying that. >> no. >> i somebody in the. >> audience anyway, more, more importantly, her point about courage, her point about and his point the other points that president obama talked about in terms of maybe universities could be banding together. some of these law firms could be banding together, because i do believe this is going to be a moment. 20 years from now, people will ask you, where were you? and as the daughter of somebody who risked his life to go do voter registration in mississippi in 1968, sometimes you got to take a risk. if you care about democracy and moving our country forward. >> speaking of law firms banding together, harris didn't mention it when she was talking about people caving to fear. but but trump stuck a $100 million pro bono deal with the law firm willkie, farr and gallagher. her her husband, doug emhoff, works for that. that firm. >> i mean. >> look, yeah, i'm curious. >> what he's going to do. i mean, would he stick around in that? i think that's a tough decision. but look, it's a lot of these, like, corporations and

law firms are having tough decisions he made. and it was it's the inverse of what we saw in 2020 when they were getting pressure from the left to do certain things for social justice movements one way or another. and they're getting pressure from their. own employees, as we're seeing it from as we're seeing it from. >> the the law. >> firms to they're getting a lot of upward. pressure from employees who want them to take it on, but it's going to hurt their bottom line. >> what do democrats think about harris and obama coming forward at a moment like this? >> well, i. >> will tell you, i've been listening in on some focus groups, some of them their mixed focus groups in terms of people who voted for trump and people voted for harris. but these were groups of men of color in both cases. and you know what? they still don't. the democracy argument is not what hits them. right. this idea of what's happening with the law firms and what's that is not the deal for them. what they are still talking about every day is stuff is too expensive. i was. >> told the stuff. >> was going to come down. i am scared that the cost of my rent, which i can barely pay, is going

to go up. that if you're democrats and you're leading with democracy, you're still not going to talk to the people who are. >> really what. >> they're really scared about is. >> their bottom line. >> the rent is too high party. we need to bring that guy back. karen finney and matt gorman. amy walter, thanks for all. thank you all for joining us. appreciate it. twist. today in a case involving a maryland father who was apparently mistakenly deported to el salvador. that story next. >> smells amazing. >> oh my god. >> that is so good. should we dig in? >> eva longoria. >> searching for spain. >> april 27th on cnn. >> for years, one. >> supplement claimed it improved memory. >> but the truth it can't support those claims. choose nariva plus, which supports six brain health indicators, including memory with clinically tested ingredients. >> it's time. >> to switch. >> to nariva. >> turbotax free edition.

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maryland father who was mistakenly deported to el salvador in one of these ice roundups in 2019, an immigration judge actually granted this man. kilmar armando abrego-garcia, a salvadoran national protected status, which would prohibit the federal government from sending him to el salvador. but that did not stop immigration officers from arresting abrego garcia last month, alleging that he had ties to the ms-13 gang abrego garcia. his attorneys denied those allegations. let's bring in cnn's priscilla alvarez, who attended today's hearing in maryland, as well as former federal prosecutor eliot. so, priscilla, the trump administration conceded this week, they admitted that they mistakenly deported him because of an administrative error, they said. did the justice department give any evidence in today's hearing over why he was arrested and deported in the first place? >> the short answer is no. and there were actually a few areas over the course of the hearing where the federal judge was asking for more evidence. one of those was on ms-13. of course, the trump administration has

maintained that he has. he has ties to this gang. but the federal judge said she had not seen any additional evidence to prove that beyond something that occurred back in 2019, that was part of his immigration proceedings, where again, i.c.e. was not able to shore that up. and she also noted there was no criminal proceedings, there was no indictment. so she sort of put that aside over the course of the hearing. but the second thing that she wanted the justice department to elaborate on was on what legal basis was he detained, and then also removed. and in her back and forth, she could not find what the legal basis was. was there a warrant out for him that he was detained last march, only days before being deported to el salvador? and if he was deported, was there any procedure that was done to remove this withholding of removal that we keep talking about, that granted him that protected status? and the justice department just couldn't give an answer. in fact, the doj attorney said this, quote, the government made a choice here to produce no evidence. the attorney also saying that it had frustrated

him that he didn't have more evidence to give her. that just wasn't enough for her. over the course of this hearing, as she was trying to figure out why they had deported him, and then also this idea that they couldn't bring him back, she raised, for example, that the administration has given $6 million to el salvador to detain migrants in this prison. so she said, if you're paying a government, how is it that you cannot call that government to return someone to you? there wasn't a sufficient answer to that either in her eyes. so she actually, as the hearing concluded. stepped away for about 30 minutes, came back and gave her oral order. >> yeah. when it comes to her frustrations about asking the administration for evidence and not getting any, i feel her pain. i mean, i feel like i've been going through that since this all started. you to elliott, i guess this rests on something that a confidential informant back in 2019 claimed about this individual, but there wasn't necessarily any more evident evidence behind that. a judge agreed with the immigration officials, but that's because i think it's law that they have to agree with immigration officials.

>> they defer. >> to the finding of the. >> immigration judge before. >> but the. >> standard for establishing. >> whether someone is in a gang doesn't exist. >> it's simply. >> if officers can. >> say that. >> or assert that. >> they. >> believe that someone has gang membership. >> that's really. >> as far as. >> it goes. now. >> the. >> broader question, jake, is there are still a lot of questions to be answered here, and the government has appealed. >> the the appeals court will probably send this. >> back down for simply more findings. >> you got. >> to. >> establish how you established who. >> this guy is. >> how. >> you know, these. >> questions about. >> where he went and how. >> and how he can come back and so on. >> and, priscilla, how is the family of abrego garcia reacting to the ruling? >> so his wife is a u.s. citizen. we heard from her twice today. she did talk about the tremendous impact this has had on her family. she has three children. all three of them have special needs. she shared a little bit about that earlier in the morning. >> on march 12th, 2025. my husband was abducted by the u.s. government in a blink of an eye. our three children's lost their

father and i lost the love of my life. >> so this ruling gives them some sense of relief. but she said after the hearing that the fight will continue. and as you mentioned there at the top, the government has appealed this. so the legal proceedings will continue and we'll see if the government does bring him back on monday. but certainly this has been a big stress for her family and those around them. >> and just just to reiterate this, he was in this country and the and the u.s. government had given him permission to be here because they were saying, we can't send him back to el salvador, right? >> it's called withholding of removal. now, to be clear, jake, this is someone who had entered the country unlawfully to begin with. however, he was given a reprieve, a legal reprieve from the government because the conditions in the place that they'd be sending him to were unsafe. so, yes, for that time, he was lawfully present in the country. because of that, what had been extended him by the judge. >> all right. elliot williams and priscilla alvarez, thank you so much to both of you. you're running out of time to make a

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called the next move, with garry kasparov. of course, former world chess champion. the next move a nod to that. garry, thanks for joining us. so you fled russia in 2013 fearing political persecution because unlike vladimir putin, you like democracy. you pay very close attention to putin. what do you think he plans to do when marco rubio says he doesn't know whether this is a delay tactic or not? do you think it's a delay tactic? >> i don't think. >> it's a delay tactics. putin, i think, demonstrated many. times that he had no interest in peace because war is the driving engine of putin's regime. now, everything in russia is is. for war. so the whole country, when you look. >> at the. >> top, you go to the bottom, you look at the economy, at social life, at propaganda, at even in the kindergartens. russia is in a giant war camp.

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with trump, musk had looked gloomy, and there was a weary tone in his voice when he talked about the subject. in the end, he said, quote, it's better to have voices of moderation in the room with the president. there are a lot of people, kind of the hard left, who essentially want to isolate and not have any voice. very unwise, unquote. that snapshot pretty amazing in retrospect. it's all part of dowd's new book, notorious portraits of stars from hollywood culture, fashion and tech. it is a great book. and maureen dowd joins us now. i can't tell you how much. i can't tell you how much i love. this is like my nighttime reading. so i avoid doomscrolling. and i just read these great profiles. i just i reread the paul newman one the other day, the other the other night. it's so good. did you get any indication at the time you were profiling elon musk that he would become what he has become, this kind of far right trump superfan? >> no, because he was anti-trump then. but the interesting thing is, at that point, when i profiled him in 2017, he was

fighting the existential threat of runaway a.i. he was going to be the one to protect humanity against runaway a.i. and then now he's turned into the existential threat of washington. he himself is the threat. >> it's so interesting reading this book. you say your most unpleasant encounter with anybody in here was with kevin costner. you interviewed him in 1991. he was a big star. he's only 36 years old. you write a group of sweet seniors shyly asked costner, costner to pose for a picture with them as he waited at a red light, tapping his cowboyoot iitation. okay, he snapped at the woman, but can't you see i'm being interviewed? it was like watching someone kick kittens. as we talked, he asked me with cocky assurance if i was going to play the tape of the interview for my girlfriends, i told him starkly. i interviewed paul newman and didn't play that tape for my girlfriend, so i think i can refrain from playing yours. do you think that that was just you just captured him at kind of a bad moment in

his fame, or is that him? >> well. >> all right. >> yellowstone fans, don't get mad at me because i still love to watch kevin costner on the screen. >> but we can all separate the artist from the art. >> yes, but that's why i wanted to do the book, because a lot of these people in the book are at the height of their fame, and i want to see in shakespearean terms, do they become their own worst enemy, or are they able to handle that crazy thing al pacino talked about becoming notorious after the godfather and succumbing to tranquilizers and alcohol and women and and sycophants, and he said his life became chaos. so i'm curious when someone has that magnetic ability to burn through the screen and they get power, how do they handle it? >> yeah. and you have example after example of it in the book. you, you often in your interviews do a lightning round called confirm or deny where you

tell them something you've heard and they confirm or deny what was this might be tough, but what was the most surprising answer you got on the confirm or deny? >> the most surprising was confirm or deny is a little dada and silly. and so you throw something at someone that isn't necessarily true. so i asked jane fonda if she had ever hooked up with che guevara, and she looked at me very seriously and she said, no, but i really wish i had hooked up with marvin gaye. she said he really wanted to have an affair with me, and i was married, and i've regretted it my whole life. >> oh my god. >> i was like, oh my gosh. >> that's a lot of information. right after the 2024 election, you wrote, some democrats are finally waking up and realizing that woke is broke. you argue democrats could never recover until they figure out why they turned off so many working class voters. we should note you are

the daughter of a police officer. so this is a world that you grew up in. even if you travel in fancy circles now. so. so what is. what do you think this is in some ways also applies to hollywood. the struggle to appeal to to working class folks. >> yes. i don't know. i always thought that washington and hollywood were kind of similar places based on illusion. and in hollywood, it's box office. in washington, it's approval ratings. and now silicon valley is also about illusion and clicks. so i think these three places kind of play off of each other. so they have similar problems. >> anyway, the book is fantastic, notorious by maureen dowd, portraits of stars from hollywood culture, fashion and tech. pick it up. read it. maureen, thank you so much. really appreciate it. we'll be right back.

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