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treatment, he was stronger and faster than ever, starting a winning streak and leaving his previous failed attempts in the dust. armstrong had taken over as lead cyclist on the most famous american cycling team. >> so american sports. you often have a star of the team, right? but it's still a team that either wins or loses. whereas in cycling you have an individual that's trying to win and you have a team that's helping them. and so the dynamic is different, right? >> so the whole team is there to support lance. >> right. >> like, what are you doing exactly? >> one is spending as little energy as possible until the end. and because of the speed you're going, the wind is the main resistance. and so you have people right around him that provide a draft for him. and then you also bring him, you know, water and food from the car because the races are long. and so the team is critical. it would be practically impossible to win the tour de france without a team taking care of you. but he wins the race, not

the team. >> so you joined the u.s. postal team in 2002, and what was he like? >> oh, he's intense. everything needs to be focused on him at all times. and sometimes he didn't like when other guys on his own team did. well. >> can you give me an example? >> so at one point he decided during the race that he needed to change his seat height. the group of riders, the peloton is long. he had me go back to the car and then pass them all again to bring him a tool, and then we stopped while he moved his seat. it must have been a millimeter. and then he had me pull him back up to the front of the race, and then go back again to give the tool back to the car. so this was three times. now i had to go back and forth. it was pretty clear that he was just trying to see if i would do it. >> and put you in your place. >> yeah. and then at the end, of course, i didn't do very well. and when he got back to the bus, he started complaining about where was floyd at the last ten kilometers? i was like, i don't know. i was getting tools in the

car. i didn't know what to say. you can't say, no, i'm not going to do that. >> supporting the leader at all costs had always involved certain moral compromises. >> in relation to the whole question of doping. cycling had a particular problem from the beginning. >> cycling takes longer, races take longer than most sports, and so it's hours and hours each day. >> the riders that started riding the tour de france in 1903, they thought, how do i get through this? well, alcohol would help and from alcohol it went to amphetamines. anything that would get you through famously, fausto coppi, one of the great legends of cycling, was once explaining the need for doping. and he said, well, i only dope on a kind of a needs basis, but every time i race, i need it. >> the widespread nature of doping is part of the ugly

reality of the lance armstrong story. and since lance's return to cycling in 1999, doping had become a bit more sophisticated. >> epo, human growth hormone, testosterone, cortisone they were the staple diet of these guys. >> what would have happened if you'd said, no, i'm not going to do that. >> i would have not made the the tour de france team. but it's not i wouldn't put that on him. i mean, that would be the case on any team that was that was trying to win big races. but if you're not willing to do that on his team, then you're not willing to do it on the team you would otherwise have gone to. and so that's pretty much the end of your career. >> lance has described the need to dope as going from knives to guns. >> yeah, that's kind of a metaphor he like to use. i mean, it's it's actually kind of telling because everything to him is a fight, right? yeah. >> and lance soon had a challenger to battle. journalist david walsh continued to find lance's dramatic improvement.

post cancer improbable. >> i'm looking at this and saying, come on guys, we all need to keep our eyes open here. >> but at this point, lance is beloved by fans and sponsors alike. >> did nike kind of think does this idiot journalist at the sunday times who keeps implying that lance is a cheat? let's speak to him and find out what he's got, if anything. no, no, of course they didn't. >> and why should they? or any of his sponsors for that matter? lance had the perfect defense. there was no hard evidence for now. these were just rumors. and let's be honest, in addition to all the money being made, who in the public wanted lance's story to be a lie? >> saying in a statement, i have passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed, one. >> they could point to. but we have all these anti-doping agencies that test everybody. and what are you talking about? we have these stopgaps to make sure it doesn't happen. >> yeah, it was a great talking point, but the fact is that the tests don't work all that well.

>> years later, affidavits in a u.s. anti-doping agency investigation gave us insights into the techniques lance and his team used to pass drug tests, such as infusing large doses of saline before a blood test. their main technique was no complex operation. they would just pretend to not be home. when testers arrived at the door. that's right, our best athletes were acting like kids, not wanting to be picked up from a playdate. the more problematic than doping and dodging tests was how lance responded when he could not just hide behind the closed door. lance had never failed a test, had he? >> well, technically he did. the first year he won the tour de france, he failed a test for corticosteroids for that particular corticosteroid, you're allowed to have an exemption for certain uses. that's not how he was using it. >> what happens when the sport's greatest star does something wrong? he had this global appeal. the rules need not necessarily apply. >> lance was granted the exemption, claiming the steroid

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and even dating superstar sheryl crow. - he was on a whole different level as a celebrity, but also financially and how much he was paid. probably the best cyclists at the time were making maybe a million dollars a year. i was making, i think, $60,000 or something. and he was probably making tens of millions of dollars or somewhere in that neighborhood. - mainly from sponsorships, like from nike or whatever. - right. he had big corporate sponsors. - from trek bikes to nike shoes to nike cycling gear. radioshack had sponsored him at one point. so he was just a juggernaut. and so once the story took off, it was almost too big to fail. - athlete endorsements are a multibillion dollar industry, and the king of sponsorships is nike. michael jordan's $2.5 million nike deal in 1984 grew to a $500 million paycheck in 2023. it's estimated that nike paid serena williams more than $100 million and tiger woods more than $500 million

over the course of 27 years. lance signed with nike in 1996, reportedly earning around $40 million through the partnership. while that money was impressive, it was the launch of his cancer foundation, livestrong, that truly propelled him into the global spotlight, turning him into a household name far beyond the world of sports. - there are some amazing cancer organizations out there. and a lot of them are focused on the cure. but there was nobody focusing on quality of life. - this is not a national problem. this is a global problem. - and who better to lead a global fight than america's superman? - nike had an idea of putting a wristband on lance as a symbol of hope. and sheryl crow put it on, and we saw robin williams and tom hanks. and then what happens? lance goes on "oprah," and she challenges

everybody to see if they can sell more in one day. it's $1, people. it's $1 for cancer. so... [cheers and applause] let's break the record. - it quite literally broke our e-commerce store. - in the last four years, we've sold 70 million of them. - 70 million. - and raised-- - total money raised at the foundation is about 300 now. - nike didn't stop at the bracelets. they launched a full line of livestrong-branded products. it was a genius move to make money and build customer loyalty by tying the brand to a worthy cause. - in relation to the work that lance was doing for the cancer community, i always believed that in his interactions with cancer patients, especially kids, he was wholly genuine. but i also believe that the livestrong foundation was a shield that he used to protect him from scrutiny. - a guy who comes back from, arguably, you know,

a death sentence, why would i then enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again? that's crazy. i would never do that. - and that shield worked for a while. but lance had a large team who knew the inner workings of the sport. it was only a matter of time before someone spilled the tea. and emma o'reilly had enough tea to fill a harbor in boston. - i was a soigneur/carer for the u.s. postal team. my job was everything from they've fallen off their bikes, their basic first aid, to their nutrition. and then you do the massage. we looked after the rider. - and emma had been looking after him for years when a skeleton slipped out of the closet. - lance armstrong's lab tests from six years ago found an illegal substance in his urine. - we found out about the test from the head medical commissar for the tour de france. - emma was used to cleaning up the team's messes, from massaging injuries to logistics. so when the truth needed massaging,

lance thought she'd be on board. - lance must have had the cortisone in his system, which i think we'd said it was going to be for his saddle sore. [dinging] so they just had to go and get our doctor to backdate a prescription. - when lance's team presented the fake backdated prescription for cortisone to the union cycliste internationale, they took the prescription at face value and cleared lance's name immediately. - and then lance, kind of by getting through that, keeps his yellow jersey. - but emma was uncomfortable about the lies and concerned about the future of the sport. and here is where our story really comes full circle. while experiencing unease about the doping lies, emma o'reilly received an email from a journalist aware that skepticism of "too good to be true" stories is a journalist's stock in trade-- david walsh. walsh was reaching out to those in lance's orbit in hopes of confirming his suspicion. - i blew the whistle because the right thing isn't always the easiest thing. - david co-authored a book about lance's doping,

"l.a. confidential," in 2004. and reporting from the book appeared in "the sunday times." the doping story was out, and there was no denying it. so lance had no choice but to do the honorable thing and come clean. - we have nothing to say. we have nothing to hide. - i'm kidding, of course. he lied his ass off. - i have never doped. he's got no proof. it's his word versus ours. that's ludicrous. there's no way you can do that. - lance had a very aggressive attitude towards defending himself. - at one time, i had a french teammate. and he says, "look, lance, forget about it. they don't like the winners." - despite lance's vehement denials, in june 2004, the u.s. postal service formally notified armstrong's team that they would not renew their sponsorship. but they were in the minority. from finance to pharmaceuticals to sports, as many as 16 other corporate giants supported lance. and as controversy swirled around the doping allegations, nike would even double down, releasing this ad.

- everybody wants to know what i'm on. what am i on? i'm on my bike six hours a day. what are you on? - the mythos of lance armstrong led me to react to accusations of him doping in the same way that he did. i thought they were hating on our guy, lance. - i think it seemed like a witch hunt to me. - i stand behind lance armstrong. i believe in him as a person. i believe in what he has done for the sport of cycling. - and the battle between david walsh and lance was feeling more like david and goliath, only this goliath had a legal team to sue the pants off of david. - lance sued "the sunday times," emma o'reilly, and he sued myself. i had truth and honesty on my side. he had hundreds of millions of dollars. we settled with armstrong, where we had to give him 250,000 pounds towards his legal costs.

- so you're kind of going, beyond a cockroach, do you know? survives everything, you know? - and it used to drive me crazy because we lost. lance won.

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- [speaking french] - we were hopeful he'd win his sixth. but starting the tour, who knew? so it's gone well for lance fans. - in 2004, lance armstrong seemed untouchable. even after emma o'reilly tried to whistleblow about doping on the team to journalist david walsh, the media, the public, and even the lawsuit against "the sunday times" all went lance's way. - he could say whatever he wanted. and he had his doctors vouch for him. he also had his sponsors who stood by him. - it's odd, but people compare cycling to the mafia in some ways. and they talk about "omerta," which is keeping your mouth shut, basically. tell me about that. - everybody has this unspoken understanding that, yeah, this is part of the game. - and lance did not take kindly to those who broke the law of omerta. - do you have any other evidence to suggest that ms. o'reilly was making up this? - afraid that we were going to out her as a-- in all these things she said, as a whore or whatever. i don't know.

- i was really, really surprised at the ferocity of it and just the sheer nastiness of it and the lack of conscience about it. - [speaking french] - in 2005, lance armstrong won the tour de france for the seventh time in a row. - lance armstrong! - the longest winning streak in history came with a $5 million bonus. - we had an agreement to pay him prize money if he won. - it should have been a time for celebration. but here's the catch. the company that would pay the prize thought they shouldn't have to pay out the money, given the swirling cheating allegations from david walsh's book. so lance sued. - do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give to this cause will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? - yeah. - thank you. - under oath, lance denied taking performance-enhancing drugs. - well, if it can't be any clearer than i've never taken drugs, then how clear is that? - as the legal proceedings continued, others were subpoenaed, including lance's former

teammate and best friend, frankie andreu, and his wife, betsy. - we had to testify against him. everything changed. lance hadn't talked to frankie in 2 1/2 years. and then out of the blue, he's calling him to say, "i'm just telling you, everybody's saying the hospital incident didn't happen." and frankie said, "but, lance, it did happen." - on the stand, betsy and frankie told the story of the conversation they had heard all those years earlier in lance's hospital room. but in the court of public opinion, lance would control the narrative. - lance was brutal in a different way towards betsy, you know. at one time, openly questioned how frankie, betsy's husband, could stay with her. - she's a crazy, fat bitch. she's lying. don't trust her. have you seen her? - and, you know, the people who supported him, a lot of them would have admired that gung-ho, "hit them back with all you've got" lance. they like that. - as far as friends, i learned i really didn't have any.

it was awful. it was awful. everybody was on his side. - lance couldn't let the truth have its day. if he's just human, then he stops being superman. and i don't think he feels like he's anything if he's not superman. - for now, that defiance still worked, winning him the prize money in the lawsuit. but it also led him to lie under oath, which is, of course, a crime, if it can be proven. you described your relationship with lance as fraught and kind of deteriorating. was there actually, like, a falling out? - yeah. what happened was, in 2004, i was at least as strong as him in the tour. i was by far the strongest teammate. he was bitter. i mean, he just didn't talk to me most of that year. - really? - by this time, the last thing i wanted to do was be on a team with lance. - so after three years of hauling lance up those mountains to bring him victory, floyd had enough. he quit the lance mafia to ride for his own team.

- to him, leaving the team is betrayal. - you wrote, "for lance, riding was basically a war. and sometimes it wasn't even a war to win. it was a war to inflict suffering." - everyone he disliked gets berated. their team spent much of 2005, i would say, just trying to make sure i didn't win any races. - you know, we have a friend, a family friend, who's a large-animal veterinarian. and there was a famous horse that she was taking care of. and i asked her what the horse was like. and she said, "he's an asshole." and it made me think about champion athletes. like, often, the reason they're champions is because something in their brain is different-- not necessarily good different. - to be that good and to be that motivated, it comes with a real social cost, i think. there's no margin for error. because if you don't stay at the top, then nobody likes you. but if you stay up there, they all pretend to like you. and so, yeah, i think--

i think you're right on that. - to this point, lance defeated any enemies, rumors, and now lawsuits. with the world on his side and more tour de france wins than anyone in history, lance retired at the top of his game, with nike and other sponsors still by his side and continuing to pay the big bucks. - i will cut right to the chase and say that after a lot of thought, the tour de france will be my last race as a professional cyclist. - the first year after he retired was 2006. and that was the year that i won the race. - it must have been immensely satisfying to win, right? i mean, he finally retires, and you win. - no, it was great. - and once he was free from the lance mafia, floyd was free to win for himself. but like any good consiglieri, he'd still have a weapon to defend himself, if need be. - i don't feel that lance understood people as well as lance thought he did.

floyd had something major over lance.

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the next armstrong. - in 2006, with lance armstrong in retirement, floyd landis was finally, himself, the star of the tour de france. for so long, the systems intended to keep cycling clean had failed. doping was rampant, and lance armstrong was the king. but just four days into floyd's new regime, the rusty old oversight machine started to finally rev up. - three or four days after the final stage, the team manager, he called me up. there had been a positive test. i just-- i've not been the same since. i was in shock. it was a nightmare. - you have this contentious relationship with lance armstrong. he's, like, the most infamous doper in the history of cycling. and the first year you win, you get hit. it never happened to him. - i was utterly unprepared to deal with it. like, i did not know what to do or say.

lance had this huge pr team. and i didn't have any of this, right? it's just me. - floyd did what he saw lance do-- deny, deny, deny. - i didn't do what i'm-- what i'm accused of doing. i get a call from lance. he said, "man, you're not doing this right. "this is not how you do it. "when they ask you if you've ever doped, "you have to say, 'absolutely not.' like, you're not being clear enough." and i said, "ok." - and how did the next few years go? you just couldn't cycle? - well, i got suspended for 2 1/2 years. - hey, everybody. - but meanwhile, in 2008, lance made a surprise announcement. - i have decided to return to professional cycling in 2009. - so he returned to the tour de france in 2009 and 2010. at 38 years of age, he was more than a decade older than the younger cyclists. and for the first time in 10 years, lance failed to win, coming in third. - floyd tried to come back after his suspension

and join the team again and was treated like a pariah. - still searching for somewhere to race, floyd was accepted into the tour of california, an event that was gaining major traction, largely because lance himself was out there competing. - and word got back to me that lance had told the tour of california that he didn't want to show up if i was going to be there. so they basically just said, "no, you can't come." then it was personal. this whole omerta idea, you guys seem to misunderstand it. the way this works is, if you go to prison and then you get out, they take care of you, and they take care of your family. they don't stab you in the back. - lance was kind of saying, "floyd, you got caught, "and therefore, you have to take the rap for the entire sport." and floyd landis, in that moment, became a very dangerous enemy to lance. - i mean, that was kind of the final straw, right? - yeah, that was the final straw. i knew my career was over. it was more just personal. like, what are you doing, man? why? - right.

- in 2010, floyd emailed the president of usa cycling with a list of allegations of how they had doped over the years on the u.s. postal service team. he also filed a whistleblower case against lance armstrong with the federal government. - did you see lance armstrong using other performance-enhancing drugs? - at times, yeah, at different training camps. - you're saying lance armstrong is a liar? - yes. i suppose if that■s the question, yes. - although carer emma o'reilly and betsy and frankie andreu had spoken out, floyd was the first to file a whistleblower case with the u.s. government, providing confidentiality, protection from retaliation, and potentially a financial reward. - the u.s. anti-doping agency alleges armstrong and former members of his cycling team engaged in a doping conspiracy. - but to lance, his old playbook had always worked. but that playbook was when he was untouchable. now he was just another rider on the peloton.

and this time, his teammates were ready to break the omerta. - several former teammates, found guilty of doping themselves, have pointed the finger at armstrong. - by that time, he had upset so many people. - maybe if he hadn't been such a dick, he would have gotten away with it. - yeah. i don't think it was the doping as much as the other kind of behavior. - lance felt attacked. but he had the opportunity to come in, sit down, tell usada everything that they wanted to know, and then he would get a more lenient penalty. but instead, he was the only one who refused. so everyone else got a year or two and smaller penalties, and lance is banned for life. - today, usada banned armstrong from sport and began the process of stripping armstrong of his cycling titles, including his record seven tour de france victories. - lance armstrong has no place in cycling. - and soon, lance's stripped collection of titles would be replaced by perjury allegations and millions in lawsuits.

[dramatic music] - for years, rumors had swirled and then insiders had come forward about a widespread doping culture in cycling, in which lance armstrong took part. and comedians loved it. - turns out lance armstrong and i have a lot in common. as of this weekend, we both have the exact same amount of tour de france titles.

- whoa! - but it wasn't until floyd landis's 2010 confession that there were any serious consequences. so there were other whistleblowers too, though, right? i mean, why--just because you were on his team? - i mean, people were intimidated by him. not afraid of him, necessarily, but, like, afraid of the people that were financing him, you know, nike, all these other things. - there was just so much money involved in it. what does betsy offer? eh, she's just a stay-at-home mom. what does lance offer? gazillions of dollars. ok, we'll go with lance. - but after retirement, he didn't have that same army. - the truth is, if lance hadn't made his comeback after three years out of the sport, i don't believe he would ever have been caught. he came back, and he opened himself up to scrutiny at a time when he was no longer able to win. and people who don't win get scrutinized more robustly. - lance armstrong always had nike on his side.

but it seems this relationship has run its course. nike said, "due to the seemingly unsurmountable "evidence that lance armstrong participated in doping "and misled nike for more than a decade, "it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him." - lance armstrong has been dropped by another major sponsor, anheuser-busch. ♪ ♪ - with the majority of lance's sponsors immediately cutting ties with the cyclist it's estimated he lost $75 million from that revenue. it seemed that every enemy lance stepped over through his rise was waiting right there during his fall. - london's "sunday times" wants the $1.6 million it paid armstrong to settle a libel suit. - a dallas-based insurance company is demanding that armstrong pay back almost $15 million in bonus money. - thank you. - he even lost the cancer organization he built. - so in 2012, livestrong and lance armstrong

got a divorce. he got the bike, and we kept the house. - hemorrhaging money and sponsors, lance's hail mary to resurrect his image was to confess everything to oprah. - were you a bully? - [chuckling] uh... yeah, yeah, i was a bully. - lance thought, if i give oprah all of this, at the end of the show, i'm going to be in tears, and she's going to soften my fall. that didn't happen. - did you not think that you would be found out at some point, especially since so many people knew? - um, well... - if you've wronged somebody, there are three a's. you want to acknowledge what you did, you want to apologize for what you did, and you want to make amends. and lance didn't do that. and he's incapable. - as his fall continued, he faced accusations of perjury for when he lied under oath while suing for the prize money.

- well, if it can't be any clearer than i've never taken drugs, then incidents like that could never have happened. - he was never criminally charged with perjury, but he had to repay all of the prize money he had won, including that bonus he had sued for. and he still had an ongoing whistleblower case that floyd had filed. - lance ended up having to pay about $5 million, $1.1 of which went to floyd as the whistleblower. - and then landis donated everything above his legal fees to charitable organizations, including livestrong. to lance, he was still enemy number one. - i could be floyd landis. - what, living in leadville? - waking up a piece of [...] every day. - [laughs] - what did you think when you heard that? - it's pretty good. well, it sounds like lance. but in his mind, i'm the precise reason why he's here. - though banned for life in a sport he helped define, lance and his story have actually helped clean up the pervasive doping in cycling. testing techniques have been advancing.

the union cycliste internationale works closely with the world doping agency and u.s. anti-doping agency to strengthen governance and have stricter penalties for doping offenses. - i would never say cycling is completely clean. i wouldn't say that about any sport. but i do believe that cycling is much cleaner now than it was back then. - as for betsy andreu, she's moved on. - i'm in a much better place. i hate that i had to spend so much time defending myself. i hope that people see the truth matters. - for her part, emma o'reilly reconciled with lance in 2013. as for lance, these days, he's been keeping himself busy hosting two podcasts. - hey, everybody, welcome back to "themove podcast." sir charles, thanks for doing this. - no problem, my brother. - lance armstrong, he'll never not be newsworthy. he will be newsworthy from now until the day he dies. - society can't let go of lance because

we were fed the lie for so long. - what was at the base of lance armstrong, just paralyzing narcissism. this lex luthor-like, otherworldly, villainous self-centeredness that he had. i'm glad that this guy didn't decide to become a politician. i'm glad that it was just biking. because if he would have really wanted to do some real damage, with that focus and that delusion, he could have been a lot more destructive. - lance is not the first athlete to think the rules don't apply to him. behind lance were organizations and brands that helped bolster his image and shield him by association. today, lance might not be untouchable, but the money and partnerships are bigger than ever. in 1999, when lance became a superstar,