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from attorney general pam bondi about the status of kilmar abrego garcia, the late reporting just coming in to the situation room. >> plus, fiery town halls. >> are you really doing this? stop! are you really doing this? really? >> lawmakers getting more than an earful from constituents. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer with pamela brown, and you're in the situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we begin with breaking news. the white house underscoring its defiance of the latest court ruling over kilmar abrego garcia, the attorney general of the united states, pam bondi, saying just moments ago, the maryland father, who was mistakenly deported to his native el salvador is, quote, not coming back to our country.

those very strong words coming just hours after a federal judge gave the trump administration two weeks. quote, two weeks to prove that it's working to bring him home. abrego garcia is now housed in a notorious mega prison in el salvador. his case is a flashpoint in president trump's aggressive campaign to round up and deport immigrants. it's a test of presidential power that has many families wondering if their loved one could be next. right now, a democratic lawmaker is traveling to el salvador to call for the release of abrego garcia senator chris van hollen of maryland says he also wants to confirm his well-being. >> he's never been convicted of a criminal case. so when the vice president tweets out he's been convicted. that's just not true. i mean, you saw lie after lie after lie coming out of the white house. they're gaslighting the american people on this case so they can say what they want. but in the united states of

america, at least so far, we respect the rule of law. >> let's go live now to cnn national security correspondent kylie atwood. she's over at the state department for us. kylie, what kind of communication is going on between the two countries? >> well, listen, what we saw unfold earlier this week, wolf, was a very public demonstration of the conversation that we understand the two countries are having. president trump met with the president of el salvador in the oval office. and during that meeting, the president of el salvador very clearly stated that he had no intention to work with the united states to bring garcia back to the united states, saying that his country is not fond of releasing terrorists, saying that he would stay in that mega prison. of course, we should note, just for context here, that trump administration officials have said that garcia is a member of the ms-13 gang, though garcia's attorneys have said that he is not. so that is the political

conversation. the public conversation between the two countries unfolding. but we also have to key in on the actual judicial conversation that is happening between the trump administration and a d.c. district court with the federal judge saying just yesterday that she is now going to be giving the administration two weeks to prove that they are actually taking action to abide by her earlier court orders, stating that the administration had to work to facilitate the return of garcia from el salvador to the to the united states. she said yesterday that at this point, the record shows nothing has been done by the administration to do that. so what we're really watching for here is the communication between that federal judge and the trump administration over the course of the next few weeks to see how this plays out legally, because el salvador has made the case that they have no intention of returning garcia. but now this is really a focus point between the trump administration and a

federal judge, wolf. >> all right. kylie atwood at the state department for us, kylie, thank you very much, pamela. >> all right. wolf, new this morning, a showdown between maine and the justice department. you may recall that testy exchange between the governor of maine and president trump at the white house, the state previously refused to adhere to the federal government's demands to ban transgender athletes from girls sports. and in response, attorney general pam bondi announced actions against maine for, as she said, violating title nine. >> the department of justice is announcing a civil lawsuit against the maine department of education. the state of maine is discriminating against women by failing to protect women in women's sports. >> all right, let's go live now to cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid. paula, how do we expect maine to respond to this lawsuit? >> well, so far, the governor of maine has made it clear she does not intend to comply with

president trump's order to ban transgender athletes in girls sports. so it is unlikely that this lawsuit is going to change her mind. now, following that highly publicized confrontation between the governor of maine and president trump back in february, where she made it clear she was not going to abide by this executive order and told him, i'll see you in court. she has faced a barrage of federal retaliation from various agencies targeting federal funding. and back in february, the attorney general sent the state a letter saying that it has to comply with this administration's interpretation of title nine, that federal anti-discrimination law. the state of maine, though, has made it clear they are not going to do that. so that has set off litigation, including today's lawsuit. but the state of maine has noted that there are only two transgender athletes participating in girls sports in the state. so there have been questions about why so much federal energy and resources have been poured into this specific issue. but as we know, this is an issue that played out

in the election. it's been playing out in states across the country. and today the attorney general said that she is thinking of suing other states that don't comply. >> all right, paula reid, thank you so much. wolf. >> happening now, a key hearing is getting underway that could have big implications for the controversial data sharing deal allowing the irs, the internal revenue service, to give taxpayer data to immigration agencies, a move critics say violates federal privacy laws. >> cnn crime and justice correspondent katelyn polantz joins us now. so, caitlin, what are we expecting from this hearing today? well, pamela and wolf, what we. are watching for is if this judge dabney. >> friedrich, in the. >> federal court in washington, d.c., if she's going to do anything about this, this is a case about privacy, but it's also about the enforcement of immigration law that the administration is so aggressively pursuing right now. and in this case, there's a lawsuit from immigrant immigrant rights groups saying that the irs shouldn't be able to give

the department of homeland security any taxpayer information about people that they want to investigate and potentially deport immigrants who may be in the country illegally. now step back for a second. immigrants who may be in the country illegally or unlawfully, they still pay federal taxes. so the irs has a lot of data about them. but there are a lot of laws governing the privacy and the confidentiality of irs taxpayer information. the judge in this case, she previously looked at this and said, there's no need for me to step in. so we're back in court again today where they're asking her again, could you step in? could you please? as of right now, what we have, though on the books is the justice department and the dhs saying that they aren't requesting information about taxpayers from the irs about since about ten days ago, and that there is an understanding agreement that is lawfully respecting the privacy of this taxpayer information. so we'll see what happens. we'll see. i know you're going to be

tracking all of it. thank you so much, caitlin. >> good report. thank you very much from me as well. also happening today. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are hosting more town halls across the country. to hear what voters are saying about the state of the nation. >> hands up. hands behind your back. >> three people were arrested at republican marjorie taylor greene's town hall in georgia last night. two of them were actually subdued with a stun gun. greene didn't take live questions. instead, she read them from a screen. >> what is that? >> why is mtg supporting musk and doge in the slashing of medicaid, social security offices, libraries, and more? this is outrageous. from sarah. well, sarah, unfortunately, you're being brainwashed by the news that you're watching. and, you know, a lot of democrats pride themselves on being educated, and i suggest they educate themselves better.

>> joining us now, cnn's brian todd. he's here with us in the situation room. these town halls are showing just how angry and frustrated so many folks out there are. >> they really are, wolf. and, pamela, there's a clear, discernible pattern on the republican side, but also on the democratic side. i've covered a few of these town halls now in trump's first 100 days. last night we had a democratic town hall in annapolis, maryland. this young congresswoman, sarah elfreth, 36 years old, only 102 days into her first term. now 103. she holds this town hall in annapolis, maryland, and for more than an hour is mostly friendly rapport. but then a very familiar refrain cropped up in democratic town halls. she was asked a question and again, very familiar criticism leveled at her at this town hall last night. take a listen. >> i want to know what you're going to do to meet the moment. because tonight i have learned you're not being milquetoast and milquetoast and not inspiring people to believe that you can change something for

them. won't inspire them to vote. >> if you have the. >> chance to get to know me. that's not how i fight for you in a milquetoast fashion. i meant that. i'm using every tool that i have available to me. and again, i apologize if those tools aren't going to result in the things that this group wants. >> so congresswoman elfreth and other democrats continually on the defensive in these town halls earlier this week, guys, we had congresswoman laura friedman, a democrat from california. she here's in a town hall from an attendee there, quote, i don't believe you have pushed hard enough. i don't believe that you have fought large enough. another congresswoman, chellie pingree, a democrat from maine, here's in a town hall this week. quote, i'm not seeing any democratic planning for the future. what is the vision? what is the mission? it is a common refrain. and it's three themes that democratic voters are hitting at their congresspeople in these town halls. you're not fighting hard enough. you don't have a plan, and your messaging stinks. we heard it again last night. it

is a real pattern. now, at least in the democratic side. >> these town halls all across the country are getting very, very lively indeed. yes. all right, brian todd, thank you very, very much, pamela. >> all right. well, president trump is doubling down on his latest controversial deportation comments and reiterating his desire to send, quote, home grown american criminals to el salvador. >> could we use it for violent criminals, our own violent criminals? >> i call them homegrown criminals. i mean, the home grown. >> homegrown. >> the ones that grew up and something went wrong and they hit people over the head with a baseball bat. we have and pushed people into subways just before the train gets there. like you see happening sometimes. we are looking into it and we want to do it. i would love to do. that. >> all right, let's go live now to cnn white house reporter elena. elena, what is the reaction in washington this morning? >> well, look, i think one of the key questions now, of course, is do they actually have the legal authority to do that?

now, we heard the president himself say he was directing his top officials to look into it, including attorney general pam bondi. but we also heard white house press secretary caroline leavitt say yesterday that they are looking into this. and i think the key thing here is that the president has now said this a few times. he had floated it earlier this year, but no one really took it seriously then. what is clear this week is that the president is seriously considering this idea of trying to deport u.s. citizens who have committed crimes to that notoriously brutal prison in el salvador. and also, of course, he brought it up and spoke about it with el salvadoran president nayib bukele earlier this week. again, just i think, showing how serious this is. now, the key question and what we're hearing from legal experts is, is the legality of this. a lot of legal experts argue it is unconstitutional that united states citizens, whether they commit crimes or not, must stay in the united states if they are going to be detained. they need to be detained in america. but again, this is something that the president clearly has shown that he wants to do, and now is trying to figure out if he's

able to do that. but one of the things i think that's really important to keep in mind as well here, pamela and wolf, is that part of the reason? i think there is so much concern and so much talk around this issue is because what we're seeing them do in the broader case regarding kilmar abrego garcia, and really it's the closest we've seen the trump administration come to defying the supreme court. that's really why i think there's so much attention being paid to these remarks, pamela. >> right. and just what it means for the executive branch power and as it pertains to immigration policy and really testing those bounds. alayna treene, thank you so much, wolf. >> all right, pamela, there's more news coming in. this morning, joe biden is back and he's calling out donald trump for the first time since leaving the white house. in a speech to disability rights advocates yesterday. the former president slammed the trump administration for taking it. i'm quoting him now. a hatchet to social security. >> fewer than 100 days. this new

administration has made so much, so much damage and so much destruction. it's kind of breathtaking. it could happen that soon. >> cnn's arlette saenz is joining us right now for more. arlette, update our viewers. >> well, president, former president joe biden really offered his first public critique of president donald trump's second term, specifically zeroing in on social security, painting his administration's work as destructive. now, biden never named president trump or elon musk by name, but he did criticize their approach to the social security administration, which has undergone this massive reorganization due to doj's cuts and also prompted concerns from americans about the benefits that they could receive. take a listen. >> got to ask yourself, why is this happening? why are these guys taking aim at social security now? well, they're following that old line from tech startups. the quote is move

fast, break things. well, they're certainly breaking things. they're shooting first and aiming later. and as a result, the result is a lot of needless pain and sleepless nights. >> now biden here is offering a message, a preview of messaging the democrats could potentially use heading into the midterms. and he's really become the latest in a string of high profile democrats to start to speak out about trump. we have heard in recent weeks from former president barack obama, as well as vice president kamala harris. but biden, of course, is in a very unique position. he's the only man to have beaten trump. then he was replaced by him in the white house. and he's still navigating what exactly his post-presidency will look like in the months and years to come. >> we'll see how this all unfolds in the coming weeks and indeed months. arlette, thank you very, very much. >> all right. still ahead, they are at the two words that are at the center of kilmar abrego garcia case. we're going to ask our legal experts about the difference between facilitate and effectuate.

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attorney general saying he's in el salvador. he's not coming back to this country. is the administration now openly defying the supreme court order, in your view? >> well, not yet, pam, because the supreme court's order is not actually governing here. the supreme court just ordered that the district court make clearer what it >> last two weeks, and we should learn more about what's been happening. >> but we're getting towards the quite there yet. >> let me get seth into this

conversation. seth, how do you see it? is. the trump administration using the supreme court's relatively vague language to try to dodge its order? >> i don't think so. i don't think that we're swimming in crisis waters just yet. it's important to zoom out a little bit and look at the perspective of this, because essentially this is a case involving an apparent error of process. the supreme court a few days ago approved of the president's ability under the alien enemies act to do group deportations with respect to this individual. there was never a ruling that he was immune from deportation. there was a so-called withholding order a couple of years ago that said that he couldn't be deported to el salvador. so when the administration talks about administrative error, it's a matter of process and location. it's not about deportation itself. as was correctly noted. we're going to be in a two week period of expedited discovery. what will probably happen consistent with the supreme court? it certainly could happen is if they bring him back, it might be for a day or so for a so-called habeas hearing. but i do think that the administration's long term position will probably come to bear, that he's not going to exactly be coming back to maryland to live back. >> in that court order, said he

shouldn't be deported to el salvador because his life there could be endangered. >> because he said that he was being threatened and his family was being threatened by a rival gang. that was alleged in 2011. there was a question about that gang still exists, but you're right. so it's really an element of location and process rather than substance. >> yeah. and just to help help us better understand this, jennifer, because the administration is saying we would send him right back to el salvador despite that court order, and they're making the claim that he is a member of ms-13, but it has not provided that evidence. right. and in 2019, when that protective order was granted, the judge did review evidence in that case and he was not convicted of anything and was still given that protective order. so what has changed since then to now, where the administration is saying that doesn't matter. we can still send him there. >> well, we don't know, pam. that's kind of the problem. i mean, if he were given the appropriate process, if he were here and going through the immigration court proceedings,

perhaps the government would put forward sufficient evidence to demonstrate that he's a member of the gang or is in some other way a danger? that's what we don't know. that's the process that he deserves and has not been given. perhaps they do have that evidence. and if they bring him back, as they are supposed to do, and put him through those proceedings, perhaps they'll be able to prove it to the satisfaction of an immigration judge, at which time they can deport him wherever they want. the problem is that that process hasn't been given, and so we don't know if they do it the right way. sure. perhaps he'll go back to el salvador, but that's the steps they need to go through. >> seth, as you know, president trump has now openly talked about the possibility of deporting u.s. citizens, u.s. citizens to el salvador or potentially to other countries, u.s. citizens who have committed crimes. is there any circumstance under which that would be legal or constitutional? >> i don't think that has any legs. i think that was a little bit of a throwaway line. president trump. >> he's done it twice now. >> well, he has, and he'll probably do it a third time later today. but i don't think that has any legs. that's a little bit of a throwaway line.

but but just to go back a little bit to what was noted just a few seconds ago this individual that we're talking about this morning has had process in front of an immigration judge. he had a trial. he had an appeal. he's now had his case in front of the united states supreme court. i think that in terms of the question is what's changed? one of the biggest things that's changed, that's caused this is the change of political will. we have a situation right now where the white house is taking a fundamental approach to law and order at the border, and i don't want to lean too forward into politics. but the reality is that we've had these gang members that have been taking over apartment buildings. we have tapes of buildings in aurora, colorado, that have literally been taken over by gangs. the supreme court has said that the alien enemies act is permitted, and right now they're following the process. we've got an important two weeks ahead, so we'll see what happens. but i don't think we're in a crisis. >> and just just to follow up on that, and there is no doubt that, you know americans made it clear they want more done at the border, and they're concerned about safety and gang members. no one wants that. i think the

bigger issue here is the constitutional issue of, you know, this is someone that did go before a judge in 2019, and there was evidence presented to that judge of from a confidential informant that he could be a member of a of the ms-13 gang. another judge cast doubt on that evidence, but he was given this protective order. and then just recently, he was rounded up, plucked off the street, sent to this mega prison in el salvador, known for human rights abuses, without going to see a judge who could decipher. is this actually a member of ms-13? he didn't get to file a habeas complaint. is that acceptable to you under the constitution? >> no it's not. he's entitled to a habeas complaint. and the supreme court said in the alien enemies act ruling a few days ago that someone gets a habeas hearing. it's basically a one day process. so i agree with you, and i think the administration has admitted we have an error of process here. so there's some cleanup to do. it's a problem. there's a process. we have a two week expedited discovery window. so there's a lot happening. but i think it's important to also

zoom out on the process and understand he was not given deportation immunity. he was given a withholding order to not be deported to that location. >> that's true. but i think also there's a difference between being deported to a mega prison and el salvador with human rights, known for human rights issues and all kinds of things, and being deported elsewhere where you can, you know, have more rights and liberties and that kind of thing. so i think it does raise those interesting questions and we'll continue to cover it. >> absolutely. in the next two weeks we'll move fast. >> right. >> okay. and we and again, we, we want the administration to provide more transparency and information. we don't know. we don't know what evidence they have to back up the claim. perhaps they have it. they just haven't shown it. >> yeah. we're journalists. we love transparency. jennifer rodgers and seth rosen. barron sweig, thanks to both of you very, very much. >> and up next, we're going to speak to republican congressman rich mccormick to get his take on president trump's suggestion to deport u.s. citizens who have committed violent crimes. >> my happy place premieres

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executive branch. when you hear the president and his top officials suggest that they could simply ignore the court orders here from this federal judge, do you think that is an example of the executive branch overstepping its authority? >> no. in this case, i think it's been very clear. there has been a process. you can say it's not due process, but actually he has appealed his deportation. he lost that appeal. he was going to be deported. whether he should have gone to el salvador or not is really the one question. it also begs the question when anybody says that they request asylum because their life is threatened and they have this due process. the question is, how are you going to deport them to that country of origin? if he belongs to a, let's say it's ms13 or whatever, there's a rival gang that doesn't like him. are we going to have this hold up our deportation of criminal elements here in the united states? but when it comes to the the due process, he did have due process and he appealed it and he still lost that he was deported, perhaps to el salvador by

mistake. >> by right. he didn't have due process. >> what do you. consider due process? >> well, he didn't go before a judge before he was taken off the street and then sent to a mega prison in el salvador. and so the question that's raised here is, are you okay. >> with a judge? twice. actually, he lost his first case for deportation. he appealed it. he was again ordered to be deported, whether he had habeas because he was under distress due to life threats from another rival gang is a separate issue from the due process question that you're calling to question. >> okay. so so the bottom line is, are you okay with people being taken off the street and sent to a notorious foreign prison without going to see a judge to determine whether this person is a gang member or not? are we supposed to just blindly trust the government using. >> the due process here? >> hold on, hold on. let me just finish. are we supposed to blindly trust the government when it alleges gang ties without providing the evidence

to back it up again? no, we don't know. maybe he is, maybe he isn't. but the administration hasn't provided that. that evidence. >> so realize that he was deported because he's here illegally. he he said i don't want to be deported because i'm afraid of going back to my country of origin. he was given that due process. the question is, can he be sent to el salvador because of life threats, has nothing to do with being part of ms-13. in and of itself, the ms 13 issue is another issue. and there is evidence, from what i understand that will be presented. he may come back for a day for habeas, but he's not going to stay in the united states. he's here illegally. end of story. >> and you're right. he was given a protected and he's. had that due. process on that. that doesn't mean he couldn't be deported elsewhere. but do you agree, congressman, that there's a difference between being deported to a mega prison under the premise that this is a ms 13 gang member, which there hasn't been evidence to prove that and being deported to another country where, you know,

you can you still have your liberty intact versus this mega prison that is known. >> so now you beg another question. now, now let's say you're going to go to deport somebody to venezuela. let's say he's a gang member. let's say it's somebody horrible and you deport them there. they're going to go to a bad jail. i promise you, venezuelan jails are not good places. matter of fact, we know for a fact that venezuela has cleared some of their jail people and sent them here. do we say, oh, we can't send them back to venezuela because their jails are too bad? we should keep those criminal elements here in our jails. i don't think that's what the american people want to hear. i don't think with our legal system was designed for i think it's a false claim to try to make president trump look bad, but i don't think it resonates with the people. i think the democrats are barking up the wrong tree as well as the media. when you say that you can't be sent back to venezuela or el salvador or some country that has bad jails because they should they might have really bad things from the country they came from, even though they may be part of a criminal element. that's a false, false resonating message, whether it come from the media or the far left. i don't think the american people are buying that.

>> this isn't a message. we're just asking the important questions based on facts and based on the fact the administration itself, under penalty of. >> perjury, said. you asked a very specific question, though. >> that this was a question. >> was this you said, should we send them back to a mega prison if that's what we're going to do? because they can have bad treatment? mike, my question is if they are somebody who's here illegally and they've broken the law, they're going to be sent back to that country. that country will determine their fate at that point. >> that wasn't proven in this case. >> and it's a sovereign nation. if you. >> said the administration. >> these are. >> the facts. >> i'm asking. >> you the facts. listen. and i'm also talking about the facts here. if the administration is so confident in what it has done and that this is actually that this person is a member of ms 13, why isn't it proving this in court? it's had ample opportunity before this district judge, but instead this district judge just said yesterday that the administration has done nothing to show what it is doing here, despite the court order asking it to do so. >> the the supreme court said it's going to be pushed back

for further clarification from the lower court on what they exactly want done. now, i know for a fact when we have congressional inquiries or when we ask for the government to do something more, they can they can say, hey, this is what we're doing. but in this case, you have the president of one country agreeing with the president of another country. that individual should stay there at this point. now, he may come back for a day of habeas, but he's not going to stay here either way. but you have two presidents who have decided that that they've agreed that this person is somebody of consequence, somebody who is of the criminal element, somebody who doesn't belong in the united states, somebody who came here illegally. and you're saying that a appointee from the obama era can order the judge that can say the president is not doing enough? well, prove what you think is enough. that's what's going to be determined in court. >> well, it will be in the supreme court. did weigh in and say that that it agreed with the with that it agreed with the district judge saying that the u.s. administration. >> no, it did not. it did not. >> that's false. let me finish

my sentence. congressman. i know you're trying to create a moment. i understand you're trying to create a moment right now to try to get pick up. and that's that's self-serving. that's not serving our. >> viewers, trying to commit the moment here. we know that. >> no, what i am laying out here is facts. the supreme court, the four page opinion agreed with the lower court judge that it should the administration should, quote, unquote, facilitate his return. now, in terms of effectuate it, left it to the lower court, not to clarify. and it said that the. >> president facts. >> everyone can read it. it's online. and it said that the president does have foreign affairs protections and that the district court judge should take that into account when providing that clarification. that's exactly what was said. it was not a forceful opinion. it was not. it was it certainly had ambiguity. but that's what the supreme court said. the

president also says he is looking into deporting u.s. citizens who have committed violent crimes. many legal experts say that's just flatly unconstitutional. do you agree with the president on this case, or do you think he should back off this threat? >> i didn't hear what he said specifically. i'm not sure what the context is. so i'm not going to comment on what the context of that comment was, because i don't think the president would be inferring that he's going to break the constitutionality of due process for citizens of the united states. i think that's absurd. >> all right, congressman rich mccormick, thank you for your time. >> absolutely. >> we'll be right back. >> five good things. listen, wherever you get your podcasts. >> you make me feel so miserable. >> flonase relieves your worst allergy symptoms so you can start feeling better the same day and save your relationship with nature. flonase.

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ahead of the tariffs that were looming. but economists predict maybe in the summer months as this trade war extends and goes on, that's when consumers will likely start to pull back and you will see those retailer retail numbers, wolf, start to tick down again. >> excellent analysis. vanessa yurkovich in new york for us. thank you very much, pamela. >> all right. coming up, two stories about something your child may be using right now. the raising safety concerns. i know that my baby is using it. i'll speak with an expert about the possible health risks of certain bedding and mattresses, and which ones you should look out for. up next. >> the source with kaitlan collins tonight at nine on cnn. >> you know, sometimes my life can be a little crazy. that's why when you find stability, you got to grab it and hold on to it. like how verizon just lets you lock in a low price for three years, even if you're already a customer. is that even real? that's not just for me. and they give you a free phone on any plan. who's doing that? nobody. come on. what's better

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but we're told that they were well known. lower cost mattresses found at major retail stores. joining us now is jane monka, the managing director and chief scientific officer at the food packaging forum. and she studies how plastics impact our health. and i got to be honest, after reading this about these studies, jane, i went and i checked my baby's mattress. he's 14 months old and i thought, oh my gosh, you know, is this safe? is this emitting chemicals? i mean, it really is worrisome reading about this. what are the key takeaways from these studies and how credible are these studies? >> hi, pamela, it's good to be with you today. yeah, i share your worry. these studies are very credible. they've been done by. well recognized researchers at the university of toronto and colleagues, and they're very concerning because chemicals that are hazardous to health should not be in children's bedrooms, and there shouldn't actually be in our

daily lives either. unfortunately, there is quite a big discrepancy between, what the regulators consider safe and what you and i would consider safe. and that's what we're seeing here with this study. >> so tell us more about what kind of health problems are potentially linked to these kinds of toxic chemicals. and what do you know about the regulation of these chemicals in the united states? because i know in this some of these studies that were done in canada, but they had u.s. parts as well. yeah. >> so these chemicals can interfere with the hormone system, and that's why they're called endocrine disruptors. that's a big word. but basically what they do is they can mimic the way that natural hormones signal in the body, and that can lead to all kinds of different effects. because the hormone system is responsible for so many different aspects of health and development. so we're thinking here of impacts on

brain, neurological development, but also things like allergies diseases that are connected to the immune system, health can be affected. and then also of course reproductive health. so some of the chemicals that are found at quite high levels are the phthalates. and those are known to be linked, for example, to declining sperm count and so on. >> so what are we supposed to do about it as parents? like what am i supposed to do for my 14 month old who has to sleep in a crib? >> yes. so i think the first point is don't panic. it is a concerning situation, and it's really also annoying that our regulators do not have our backs because most of these chemicals are present at levels where they are legally allowed to be there, even though we know that they are not not safe in the sense of they don't cause disease. i think educate yourself. there's great resources out there. there's some great organizations

out there, like the environmental working group, for example, or healthy babies, bright futures. what a great name that also is. there's lots of resources from these independent organizations that are evidence based, that are science based, and that will help you do your own research and find products that are safer. in general, i think less is more, to be honest. when i had my children, i tried to get products that were. second hand. just simply because a lot of the volatile chemicals will have gassed out by then, but also for environmental considerations. try to use natural materials like cotton wool. a lot of textiles these days on furniture, clothing and so on are made with polyester, which is plastic and even worse. oftentimes it will be recycled polyester, and recycled plastic contains even higher levels of hazardous chemicals. and then in

the kitchen, try not to put hot food into plastic. don't have a plastic water kettle? don't heat food in the microwave in a plastic container. those are sort of the easy things that you can. >> that's enough to digest for now. i think. sorry. quickly. go ahead. we're running out of time. >> importantly, i think we can vote with our wallets, and we need to demand change. so we should let our favorite brands know that we don't want hazardous chemicals in our products. and there's also some great action going on at state level in the u.s. so you can reach out to your elected state officials and let them know that you're worried about toxics. >> jane, thank you so much. >> and coming up, a new cdc report shows that autism rates are rising here in the united states. we'll take a closer look at the numbers and what they mean. all that and a lot more coming up right here in the situation room. >> my happy.

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