>> michael jackson at the staple center in los angeles on june 23rd. that's it for us. for campbell brown, i'm john roberts. thank you very much for being with us. "larry king live" from neverland with jermaine jackson starts right now. >> larry: tonight, a primetime exclusive. go inside the gates of neverland. see where michael jackson lived and danced. raised his children. his brother jermaine and long-time friends tell us about michael before the money problems, the marriages and scandals. now ex-wife debbie rowe may fight for the kids. michael wanted his mom to raise them. will she win? and one of michael's final rehearsals caught on tape. you're looking at michael two days before he died. just released footage reveals an active, energetic superstar in

the very arena that will host his memorial service. all next on a very special edition of "larry king live" on location from neverland. good evening, on a spectacularly beautiful night in central california. we're at the neverland valley ranch, formerly known as the sycamore valley ranch, covers 2,800 acres, about 150 miles northwest of los angeles. michael purchased this property in 1988, renamed it neverland after the fantasy island in "peter pan." we'll see lots of it tonight as this is a primetime exclusive for "larry king live." and with jermaine jackson, one of michael's older brothers. jermaine sang the co-lead with michael for a number of years. before we talk about this place,

thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> larry: thank you for flying up with me. you were a nice companion. we seen this today and yesterday, but jermaine has not. so we want you to look at this tape of your late brother in his last rehearsal 48 hours before he died. watch. ♪ ♪ >> larry: how does that make you feel? >> wow. he looks great. strong, very, very strong.

>> larry: when you see reports of him looking bad, he don't look bad to me. >> he looks incredible. he was going to put it on them. very strong man. >> larry: how does it hit you now, jermaine? >> it hits me very, very deep. very deep and in shock. very hurting, because he's gone too soon, too soon. >> larry: what's it like to be here? >> it's wonderful to be here. >> larry: explain. >> this is his creation. this is his -- like i said, this is the ultimate serenity at its highest level. this is his joy, his happiness, his peace. and i feel him everywhere. i feel him all around here. it's like he has never left. >> larry: the thing that hit me the most, others may have told you this, is i expected to see

some kind of, for want to be a better tell, a honky tonk atmosphere. >> what do you think? >> larry: beauty, serenity, calmness. this is just relaxing. we're going to take a walk later over to the tree. i am totally taken aback by it. in a plus way. >> tell me this, with all the negative things that they tried to say, that they said about this place, do you feel that it was representative of what you said? >> larry: if there was negativity, i don't see it here now. >> thank you. >> larry: this is really a beautiful, beautiful place. how did you find out your brother died? >> i was on the other side of town, and i got a call from you guys on my wife's phone. >> larry: cnn? >> yes. and they said did you know that your brother was rushed to the hospital? i said what? so i called my mother immediately and she said she was

on her way. so a little time went by and i spoke to janet and i spoke to a few of the siblings. then about 45 minutes later, then i called my mother back and i hear this sound in her voice saying that he's dead. just the feeling of emptiness came before my body, because to hear my mother say her child is dead and my brother is dead, i've never ever thought that i would ever hear this from her lips. >> larry: did you go right over to the hospital? >> immediately, larry. i had to go a different route, and once i got closer to where he was, i could see the helicopters in the sky and that really brought just a chill over my whole body. once i entered into ucla, i went straight for my mother to see how she was. and she was sitting there and i guess she was there but she wasn't there.

and i consoled her and hugged her, and i went to see my brother michael, i went to look for him. >> larry: where did you see him? >> i saw him laying in the room and he was lifeless, breathless. and he just, as if it was a shell and he wasn't there. >> larry: what do you do at a moment like that? do you say something? what do you do? >> i said, michael, why did you go? why did you leave? why did you leave me? what was going through my mind, larry, i wish it was me there instead of him. >> larry: really? >> yes, because i loved michael so much. it's a different love. all my family, the world loves him. but i just felt a special connection with him because just going back over memories how my father used to keep us in the same rooms because we were on tour, so we were the lead

singers and just memories all came back to me, everything. >> larry: are you wondering why it happened, how it happened? >> i was most concerned about that, but i was also concerned about the fact that he wasn't here anymore. what was i going to do, because i felt like a major part of me just disappeared. >> larry: so you say coming back here is okay for you? not hard for you? >> not at all, larry. because this is his creation. this is his joy. this is his fantasy land. whatever he called it. but it's neverland. this is the ultimate happiness. >> larry: how are your children taking it? they were very close to him. >> yes. it's unreal. the children, they loved uncle michael, because he played with them. he would come over and play hide and seek in the house, because we grew up doing this.

>> larry: and he was always a man child. >> yes, i'm the same way. >> larry: how are his kids? >> his kids are strong. they have a lot of love and care and they're playing with my kids, and they are just being strong. but it's what it is. >> larry: from beautiful neverland, never, neverland with this, i call it never neverland because when you come here you call it never, never, neverland. >> you never want to leave. >> larry: you're not kidding. we'll be right back. ♪ you and i must make a pact we must bring salvation back ♪ thank you so much. constipation's uncomfortable enough, so why take a harsh laxative? phillips' caplets work naturally with your colon... for overnight relief without cramps. phillips' caplets.

♪ i'll be there >> larry: we're at the neverland ranch, north of santa barbara, the home of, hard to say, late michael jackson. this is an exclusive primetime special for "larry king live" on cnn. and we're spending time with jermaine jackson, we'll check in with ted rolands in a moment. one thing about catherine, your mother, do you think it's proper that she be responsible for the kids? >> yes, i think it's very proper, because the way my mother raised us, the way we

know how she's very -- just the love, the joy, and making sure that they'll be okay. i thought it was the right choice. >> larry: age any hindrance, her age? >> no, because she has a staff and she's always with all of our kids. there's 23 grandchildren. >> larry: what do you make of the ex-wife possibly seeking custody? >> we'll see, larry. the will is what it is. and the will was really written well and it was executed by the executors and they did a great job. it's what it is. >> larry: so you don't think she has a shot? >> well, no, no. because this is what michael wanted. it's all about michael. this is what he wanted. >> larry: michael had a great friend in miko brando, michael was best friend at his wedding, and ted rowlands is with miko. ted? >> reporter: we're at the train station, one of the most memorable images of neverland ranch, if you've seen video out

of here, it's sort of like the disneyland train station in that they have the flowers and the clock and there's really a gorgeous part of the neverland ranch compound. and miko, you've spent a lot of time up here. this place is so big. obviously this isn't just for decoration, this train station was a real train station with a real train. >> steam engine train, large one. he used it for years to get from the residence up to the theater and the zoo. >> above this fireplace, miko, was a tribute to catherine. >> there was a plaque there that he had made for his mother, because he named the train after his mother. >> so the train was called catherine? >> yeah. >> a lot of people would come up here just to hang out because, of course, there was, as there around the entire compound -- >> before you reached the train, you would stop here and have

your cappuccino, ice cream, candy, candy apples, all the candy you could think of before you would ride the train over to the theater. >> reporter: and people would hang out and sit here and watch these monitors. michael would put on videos on each of these monitors. >> right. he would put videos, whoever wanted to sit here and watch them on all these screens, sit here and eat your candy, all the sweets that you would want. and the kids would hang out and watch the videos all night long. >> reporter: this is just a minuscule part, obviously, of the compound here. one small portion of it where people would come and hang out. the outside, here is where the train would come through and the marks, you say, show how much it was used. >> correct. that shows you how much steam went through underneath there. every time you would blow the whistle, that would have the effect on the brick like that. >> reporter: you say michael

used to -- >> blow the whistle right there and make it loud. you could hear it over the whole property once that whistle went, you knew the train was here. >> reporter: for you coming back here, what are you feeling? >> numb, numb. i wish he was here. just numb. >> reporter: all right. larry, this is the train station. we'll be here for the hour showing you much more of neverland ranch. larry? >> larry: thank you, thank you miko. did you ride that train a lot? >> many times, many times. it left from the train station to go to the theater, down to the theme park. >> larry: was this things that michael probably dreamed about as a child? >> this is what he was about, just the joy. he started out as a young kid on stage and never having a childhood. and this is -- this was the

ultimate play ground. >> larry: this was the childhood relived? >> yes, exactly. we would come here and relive our dreams and our kids would come and parties and birthdays and just, you never wanted to leave. >> larry: remember, they're only using 37 acres out of almost 3,000. when we come back, you're going to see part of those 3,000 acres. wait till you see what's coming. don't go away. we've made a great product even better. now every drop of shell gasolines... ♪ contain a nitrogen-enriched cleaning system... that seeks and destroys engine gunk... left by lower-quality gasoline. it protects engines from performance-robbing gunk. try new nitrogen-enriched shell gasolines. the clock is ticking. the 72 hour sale is on. with zero percent apr for 72 months on select '09 chevy models. including silverado xfe.

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>> the ultimate peace. this is neverland. >> larry: this is one small part of this whole picture, right? >> yes, this is one small part. there are other valleys beyond these hills that are just flat surfaces. there's mt. catherine around here. >> larry: is that it up there? >> yes, the part that's shaved off there. it's just a place where we would come with all the children, on birthdays and fun, and then the times that we wanted to get out here, you would look for bus loads of kids who were dying of this and that, and in wheelchairs and the theme park was this way and it's wheelchair ramps and just gives kids that happiness.

underprivileged, poor, and they would have a wonderful time. >> larry: what's that way? >> that way is just where we used to go around and act crazy and ride horses and stuff. it's just so much land to still develop. but here's where he considered his happiness. this is what he felt -- >> larry: did he see this first? how did he pick this place? >> well, i understand when they did the video, my sister la toya was here and michael and paul mccartney and he really liked it. i had a ranch in hidden valley, and michael would come over and he loved what i had out there because i had swans and everything. he said i'm going to buy a beautiful ranch one day because he loved the ranch. and this is -- i think that's what inspired him to do this. >> larry: you spent a lot of time here in the heyday? >> a lot of time. >> larry: i don't think the general public would have any

concept of what neverland is. i think that thought would be to his rides and games and toys. but this is so much more. >> with our family, larry, we traveled so much. and i can see different pieces of different parts of the world here. that's what's great about it. >> larry: you see europe here? >> oh, yeah. you see all types of things. that's what michael enjoys. >> larry: what is it like for you to stand here now at this place that he loved so much and know he's gone? >> larry, it's so hard. but at the same time, i feel him. >> larry: you do? >> yes, i feel his presence, because this is his creation. this is his idea. to come here and to feel him here, i'm happy. and i really felt -- feel this is where he should be rested because it's him. listen, it's serene.

>> larry: do you need the state to change that? >> anything can be done. >> larry: the law says you have to be buried in a cemetery. >> they can change it. >> larry: this is obvious, would be a magnificent burial places of the world. >> tell me what impression you had when you first came in? >> larry: i couldn't believe it. >> same impression i had the first time i came. it's the kind of place when it's time to go you don't want to leave. you want to hide, you want to chain yourself to a tree. you don't want to leave. there's so much joy and happiness and at the same time to think about that certain people tried to turn this into a negative place, for him to bring kids here, for the wrong reason. that disturbs us the most. >> larry: that hurt him, didn't it? >> it hurt him tremendously. not only him but our entire family. our kids come out here, there's

candy, and right in that space right there where you see the little kids sitting on the moon there, that's the grand station for the steam train to go from there to the theater down that way. and he got the only steam operator in the nation to come here and work this steam train. >> larry: thank you for showing us this. i never expected it, nor have i ever seen anything quite like it. >> thank you so much, larry. it means a lot to all of us. announcer: what are you waiting for?

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>> larry: well, we have moved from our position back over there to one over here.

kind of dramatic, beautiful place, but also with a story to tell, jermaine, where are we? >> well, we're right as you come in, and this is a very special tree here, because this tree was the tree that he would climb in and think and write songs. >> larry: write songs? >> yeah, "we are the world," "dangerous." this was his childhood theme. >> larry: let's walk over here. explain to me what he would do, he would climb -- he would start from where? >> right from here, he would climb up here. >> larry: climb up here? go. don't kill yourself. >> go here. >> larry: handles on the tree. >> yeah, and he would go all the way up and find a place to sit up there. >> larry: up there?

>> right up there. and he would sit there -- >> larry: up there? >> yes, up there, and he would sit there and write songs. it's peaceful, larry. do you hear this? listen. >> larry: okay. it's peaceful but scary. >> no, because it's that childhood thing. you're never afraid when you're a child to do things. >> larry: so he would write the words there and musical notes? >> exactly. just lyrics and melodies and ideas. >> larry: let's take "we are the world," would he come down then and sing it to you? >> he would come down and take the ideas and go to the studio, implement that and put it on the -- put it into motion. >> larry: did he ever tell you how he got the idea to write in a tree? >> larry, you can write anywhere. you can write while you're driving. >> larry: i know, but why in a tree? >> because you're up high, it's

god's creation. it's a tree. it's peaceful, it's green. it's by the fountain, and it's very peaceful. >> larry: it's also one darn beautiful tree. >> yes. it looks like it's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old. an oak tree. >> larry: this is some place, you know? i got to tell you. >> thank you. >> larry: i could live here. >> i would love to live here too. >> larry: we'll be right back. don't go away. ♪ ♪ i'll be there ( thump ) yes. ( thump ) yes.

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♪ you and i must make a pact we must bring salvation back ♪ ♪ where there is love i'll be there ♪ ♪ i'll be there >> larry: i keep thinking, jermaine, about double emotions. i mean, there's a lot of plus emotions. there's got to be a lot of sad emotions. >> yeah, but it's -- it's a joy here. and i really feel my mother should come back here and the rest of my brothers and sisters, and just feel his presence. feel what he's created, because it will never leave. it will never die. he's here.

>> larry: they have not been here since? >> no. jackie has been here, tito has been here. >> larry: kath rip hasn't, your dad hasn't? >> they're coming, i'm pretty sure. >> larry: what can you tell us about the plans for tuesday? >> well, the plans for tuesday is fine. we were just delegating certain things to certain family members. but we've always been focused and -- >> larry: is it 10:00 a.m. tuesday morning? >> 10:00 a.m. tuesday morning. >> larry: staple center downtown. >> staple center, downtown. the hardest thing is where do you rest michael jackson? where do you -- it's like everything he did was so over the top, and there are people coming from all over the world in groups of 20s and hundreds of thousands. >> larry: staples holds 18,000. did you ask about dodger stadium? >> we worked with the city authorities and they're trying their best. and with the time frame we have,

we're hoping that everybody is safe and things are going to be locked down pretty much. >> larry: and burial now, the california law says you have to bury them in a cemetery, right? >> that's pretty much yes. but as you know, the ones who make the laws can also change them too. i would love to see him here. >> larry: do you have a place for him here? >> yes, there's a special place right over near the train station, right over there. >> larry: that we saw before? >> yes. it's hard, larry, to point where your brother is going to be -- it's tough. >> larry: what kind of service will it be? >> larry, we -- we want the world to take part in this event, but at the same time we're mourning. we're mourning because this is the most incredible human being there will ever be.

and i'll tell you why, because i'll quote something to you. i'm starting with "the man in the mirror, i'm asking him to change his ways, and no message could have been clearer. if you want to make the world a better place, you have to look at yourself to make a change. i'll see that again, if you want to make the world a better place, you have to look at yourself and make a change. when you listen to the content of songs, the melodies, the messages, the concerts, that's who he was. that's who he is. >> larry: how early did you sense that in him? >> we were all raised like this, larry. >> larry: did you know it when he was 12, 13, that he was special? >> yeah, because michael was so young, he was doing -- he could see something and do it.

if he wanted to be a tennis player, he would have been a tennis player. he does everything at the highest level. he's gifted and he was a gift from allah and i really feel his time on this earth that he was here, certain people tried to create animosity about him and things that just wasn't important. look at the man who he is. >> reporter: will it be -- well said. will it be a religious ceremony? >> listen, we were all raised -- we were raised as jehovah's witnesses to tell you the truth. >> larry: uh-huh. >> as we started traveling, we started embracing different religions. but the most important thing my mother and father instilled the right morals and principles in us, which is allah, jehovah. >> larry: and all-faith, kind

of? do you know what the ceremony will entail? >> no, it's going to be -- we want a lot of the industry to be there as much as possible. but larry, there's no place even big enough. we talked about the washington monument, the coliseum, we talked about a lot of places. larry, thousands are coming just from the uk. 20,000 people -- >> larry: i've been to staples. i don't know how they're going to hold it. >> i said the same thing. but we have to -- >> larry: obviously. we'll be right back. don't go away. ♪ i'll be there to comfort you

♪ i'll help you in all you do >> larry: we over at neverland ranch. looking right forward the main house. beautiful place by the way. magnificent kitchen here. by the way, jermaine just told me there will be a private ceremony tuesday morning, family only. >> and some special guests. >> larry: and then the 10:00 will be the large memorial service. and there will be many others, right? >> singers and -- >> larry: in other parts of the country? >> yes, exactly. >> larry: so tuesday is just the start of what will be a series of memorials.

now out to ted rowlands. >> reporter: this is a good indication of what the entire house of 13,000 square foot plus house is like, a lot of wood, just absolutely gorgeous. and miko, our tour guide here, one of the things you see is the sycamore logo. michael jackson bought this pretty much in tact in terms of the main house. >> correct, yeah, this was the logo of the previous owner, called the sycamore valley ranch. so all over the property you see these little sycamore trees. >> reporter: you say michael first stayed here when he was working on a video with paul mccartney. he was basically put here and you say he couldn't get it out of his mind. >> he stayed here while doing a video. he enjoyed it, he liked it and wanted to buy the property. he went on tour and during our tour in '88, he had bought the property. he said miko, i got the ranch.

>> reporter: this room is what? >> this is the living room. a piano used to be here, a castle he had built sitting over here, living room chairs, furniture, sofa, the tv on the wall. he had a beautiful marble front here in front of the fireplace. he had an oscar in the fireplace. >> reporter: that he paid $1 million for. here we're going to the kitchen. you say this is a spot like any family, this is the spot where you hung out. >> yeah, this was the focal point of the house, i think. we would all meet here, my father would eat here, michael would eat here. we would watch tv with the fireplace here. sit here on the bar stool here with a kitchen full of food, video games here on the table.

flat screen tv here on the wall. we had nice furniture. everything was really warm. >> reporter: so your father, you and michael used to sit at the table over there for hours. >> there was a round table with i think eight chairs. we would have our meals here, most of our meals here, breakfast, lunch and dinner. if we changed it, we would eat somewhere on the property. this is basically where we would all meet and talk about our day here at neverland. >> reporter: larry, we'll be back in a bit. looking at michael jackson's room and more parts of this fabulous estate. >> larry: thanks, ted. before we go to break, what do you make of diana ross being named? >> i think it's very interesting. there's been a long, close relationship with michael and diana for many, many years. and i think it's great.

>> larry: so she would be a proper person to handle in case something happened to your mother? >> i think it's okay, really. right now my mother has the children. >> larry: right back with more with jermaine jackson and neverland. don't go away. ♪ i'll help you in all you do ♪ just call my name and i'll be there ♪ re,speak hybrid? yes, we do. and we can say 700 miles on a single tank and epa estimated 41 mpg city and all the words stick because they're true. we speak the most fuel-efficient midsize sedan in america. we speak the all-new 2010 ford fusion hybrid. get in... and drive one. we speak the all-new 2010 ford fusion hybrid.

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valspar -- the beauty goes on. >> larry: anderson cooper, "ac 360" at the top of the hour. what's up. >> a story you're only going to see here on "ac 360" about michael jackson's past use of powerful sleep drugs. we've uncovered accounts of a doctor administering anesthetics to michael jackson while on tour over the years. the result of an exclusive "360" investigation. doesn't get us any closer to knowing what happened to the final hours of michael jackson's life. we won't know that until the

toxicology reports out. also, the guardianship hearing for jackson's kits has been delayed at the request of lawyers of debbie rowe and jackson's mother. does rowe want custody of jackson's two oldest kids? also ahead tonight, the video of jackson's full rehearsal. you've been showing it, larry. some extraordinary documents taken on tuesday night before he died. and officials from aeg, the show's co-creator and musical director. they were there the night before he died. the last to see him the night before he died. we'll tell you what they said. and the mysteries of air france flight 447. new details of what happened to the flight. all that ahead. >> larry: thanks, anderson cooper at the top of the hour at 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. a couple more things, jermaine, on the will. are you surprised that none of the siblings and your father isn't mentioned? >> no, i'm not surprised.

what makes me angry, larry, is the will is exactly michael's wishes. and they should be carried out exactly the way michael wanted them. anybody that tried to contest this will is not following michael's wishes. >> larry: it doesn't bother you that your father isn't mentioned? >> it doesn't bother me. but most important, it's not about money, larry, it's not about property. we're a family. we're a family. we don't let that get in the way. that's not important to us. that's not important. >> larry: did you hear any of the results from any other autopsies, do you know anything more? >> no. when it comes to these things that they're saying, excuse me, but i'm very uneducated when it comes to drugs and i want to be that way. >> larry: but there was a second autopsy. do you know anything? >> no, i don't. but i'm pretty sure there's going to be all kinds of speculations of things being said. but the most important thing is

we have to look at who michael really is. >> larry: you've been saying that. >> that's so important, because he g because he gave his all to try to change his will to make this world a better place. all this other stuff, it's not important, larry. >> larry: you're doing your best to change that. i have to ask the questions, jermaine. you've done a fine job here. thank you. thanks for being with us. the public is very interested in your brother. >> thank you. thank you. >> larry: ted roland stands by. ted? >> reporter: we're inside michael jackson's bedroom suite with mikko brando, our tour guide. privacy was key in this room, obviously. >> when the doors were open, it was okay but when he looked it, he wanted his privacy. >> reporter: this is one of the bathrooms. there are two bathrooms in this suite. this is the area that michael jackson slept sometimes.

there's staircases up there, a small bedroom up there. he slept on both levels? >> he felt whenever he felt like sleeping. he had a choice of two. >> reporter: this is a massive bedroom suite. let's get to all of it. out here is the view. it's gorgeous. you were married out there. obviously, it doesn't get much better than that for a few outside your room. >> no. there was a gazebo out there by the tree. we got married there. everyone was out. it was beautiful, the flowers, the grass, everything was immaculate. >> reporter: the house now sun furnished, obviously. give us a sense of how different it was fully furnished. >> it was the place. i've seen a lot of houses in my life but this was the house. >> reporter: you could see here are the other bathroom and the big tub. real quickly before we go, there's been talk about this closet. it is massive. in the corner of it is a secret area. you said this was a safe room just in case. >> this was some place in case

something ever happened. it would be where he'd go. >> reporter: thanks, mikko. larry, back to you. >> larry: thanks, ted. we have a moment left with jermaine. you realize the public is interested in all these questions. we had a beautiful day here at neverland. as you expressed it, he changed the world. there's interest in him, his will, how his family's affected. you do understand that, right? >> here's a man who gave his life to humanity. he actually gave his life. >> larry: you don't think there's an interest in him? >> yes, there's a tremendous around the world. my brother is the king. he's the king. he broken records, even to this day. the billboard charts, this and that. all these things are material. we can't take these things with us. all we take is the good deeds that we've done this time that we were on this earth. i do feel that he was given to us specially and he's taken him back.

and those who have tried to ridicule him, to make a mochrie of him, they realize. >> larry: knowing what the will says is not a mockery. >> if michael makes a will, no one should contest it. no one. >> larry: we'll do lots more with you. >> thank you. >> larry: jermaine jackson. >> larry: the son of deepok chopra is next. ♪ that's all i'm after %%%%%

>> larry: we continue our primetime exclusive at neverland

ranch with a close friend of michael jackson. he worked with michael on "dangerous" and his father, deepok. this is not your first visit here. how does it feel to be here without him? >> you know, i was not sure how it was going to feel. it kind of feels nice, actually. certainly not without him. but the last fee years michael had said this had turned into a house for him, it was not a home. now there's tranquillity back to him, now that we're celebrating him again. >> larry: it's an extraordinary place. >> i was interested to get your reaction. >> larry: i'm flabbergasted in a positive, beautiful -- isn't serenity a good word? >> serenity, tran quality. what's missing is the monkeys running around with the trainers. we haven't had a water balloon fight as of yet.

>> larry: flamingos. >> certainly we've come in some sort of mourning but that's what was here before. >> larry: has the loss sunk in, gotham? >> i don't think so. i was overseas when it first happened. i was shocked, not entirely surprised of, frankly, because of knowing michael and the things he talked about. i'm starting to feel more sadness, actually, as time goes by. >> larry: when was the last time you saw him? >> i saw him a few months ago. i spoke to him a few weeks ago. >> larry: did he look well? >> to me, it's subjective, yeah, he looked -- michael was always -- he was always delicate and small and thin. but he look no different than he had for years to me. >> larry: did you meet him through your father? >> originally, yes. i've known him for 20 years. >> larry: how old are you? >> i'm 34. >> larry: you were a kid? did you stay here as a kid. >> the guest house, which is right over there. that was where i stayed the

first time i came here with my father. we ate in the main house over there, which is the first time i met michael. i grew up with michael jackson as an idol. i have the silver glove. i bought a red leather jacket and cut it up so it looked like it was from "thriller," much to my parents' horror. when i met him it was a dream come true. >> larry: this had to be an adventure yore kuo. you were 14. what was it like? >> it was like a fairy tale, the fun, the elegance, the carnival ride. i subsequently came here through the years, brought my cousins, brought my friends and michael just loved having people. it was great here. >> larry: did you ever buy any of the stories, the molestation stories, all that? >> i felt conflicted. obviously. i can only speak to my experience. coming here as a 14-year-old for the first time, spending all this time with michael and never

feeling uncomfortable in his presence. >> larry: first time you met him, what was your impression? >> i was in awe, obviously. i was speechless. he immediately put me at ease. the first batman movie was coming out. he asked me, do you want to see -- he had a movie theater here. he said do you want to go to a private screening, just you, me and my dad? i said, yeah, absolutely. i saw it like a month before it came out. it's amazing. he immediately put me at ease. i felt comfortable. he felt in some ways, he was probably 30 years old at the time, he felt like a kid himself. >> larry: you don't feel sadness here? >> i do. >> larry: you feel both, though? >> yes. i feel both. i mean, look, i think it's great we're celebrating him and everybody who is here feels him here. which is great. it's great to see his family, jermaine here. >> larry: part one. there will be