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tonight, michael jackson's memorial service. los angeles is bracing for massive crowds and this message for those without tickets to stay home. plus, a powerful anesthetic is found inside his house. what was diprivan doing there? then, the people performing side by side with michael are here. was michael up to a gruelling
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tour or was he trying to get out of it? and we'll go back to neverland with jermaine jackson. >> michael, why did you go? >> and show you never before seen footage until now. next on "larry king live." good evening. we begin with details of jackson's public memorial. the site had half a billion hits today. here's susan roesgen in downtown los angeles at the staples center now with the latest. what are the details of this event on tuesday? >> reporter: we know that very few people will get in. that had that half a billion hits and the server was shut down today. if people want to go to this memorial service, they have to
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get online, register. the tickets are free and at 6:00 tomorrow night, there will be a drawing. a lucky 17,000 will get tickets. everyone running the staples center say please, please don't come down here. cops don't want anybody to come down because basically, they don't know if they can handle the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of fans and media that are going to be here. >> so 17,000 tickets available. others are going to have to watch it at home. do we know what the event is? are there celebrities there? will michael jackson's body be there. >> reporter: we know michael jackson's body won't be here. the promoters are still working out the details. we don't know the diana ross
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will be here or if the brothers will be here. so as you mentioned, a half a billion hits have been logged of people who want to come to this unknown memorial. >> is there a private service and also, any word on the burial? >> reporter: there is going to be a private memorial before this public memorial. even more interesting is that no one has said where or when michael jackson will be buried. maybe at the service on tuesday, but the family isn't saying. all we know is this public memorial at 10:00 a.m. on tuesday. >> more big news today came regarding the diprivan. it is a powerful anesthetic used in operating rooms. what do we know? >> we still are nowhere near
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knowing what caused his death, even with this. the news is that police found diprivan nd his home. what's missing is to what levels, was it in his body. also, the delivery. you have to have it intraserene yously. >> the idea that it's in his house is highly unusual. >> it is so unusual. we've been reporting all week, it's found in icu units, clin s clinics, where you have a doctor that's going to put you under. the only abuse we've found among this drug is among anesthesiologists themselves. >> what did the attorney for dr. murray say? >> they will not respond to any more rumors. they consider any unnamed sours as a rumor. >> they did respond about sources to demerol and oxy
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contin. >> they believe able to say my doctor did not give this to michael jackson. that was the early rumors. >> because dr. chopra said that a couple of years ago, michael jackson had asked him for the medication. >> that's right ft so do we read into it that he's not denying the fact that there was diprivan being used? is that something, or is he sticking to the original statement. >> two recent developments, one, the nurse who said that three months ago, jackson begged her for this and also that dr. sanjay gupta has found an anesthesiologist who was on tour with michael jackson in the mid-90s, who actually, according to sources that sanjay had,
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administered to him some sort of iv drugs to help him sleep. >> he said michael jackson did have a sleep disorder and i was treating him for that. he wouldn't talk about the medicine stuff. the nurse though said michael jackson asked for this by name and michael jackson describing what it felt like to have this drug and it's exactly the feeling that anesthesiologist say is what it feels like. it was that kind of pleasure or comatose state that he was seeking. it sounds like he knew about this drug and knew what it did from experience. >> and it has to be administered by a doctor and has to be monitored while the patient is under it because it can have
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lethal side effects and as soon as it stops the patient comes out of it. >> and michael jackson, on the night he died, he invited the doctor over. when he discussed it with cherilyn lee, he had her come over and watch him sleep. >> brian oxman was on is scene, jackson family spokeman, he said that this is, the story that the family has for months been trying to intervene and help out michael jackson in recording prescription drugs, that people around him were enabling him and that what happened to michael jackson makes the anna nicole smith story look small potatoes. not exactly his words, but did reference smith. is he still is family spokesman? >> he was the family spokesman a couple of years ago.
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he had a falling out during the trial when basically the attorney kicked him off the case. i don't know how close he has been to some of the jackson family members, but it doesn't appear that he is the family spokesman at this time or the recent past. but what he is describing is what other friends of jackson have told me. that michael jackson had a drug problem, that it was facilitated by these enablers around him who could not say no to michael jackson. >> drew griffin, appreciate be right back. it's the local pizza guy that needs to pay his supplier for the dough. during these times when you think most people would roll over, small business owners figure out a way to fight, and i just love being part of that kind of a team. we are able to provide customers with ways that they can keep their business running and profitable. and to really help them... help them get through this tough time. committing small business specialists like myself to the community,
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♪ >> larry: how does that make you feel? >> wow, he looks great. strong, very, very strong. >> larry: don't look bad to me. >> he looks incredible. he was really putting it on them. very strong. >> larry: so how does it hit you now, jermaine? >> it hits me very, very deep. very hurting and paining. the world is paining because he's gone too soon. >> larry: how did you find out your brother died? >> i was on the other side of town and i got a call from you guys on my wife's phone. >> larry: cnn? >> yes. they said did you know that your brother was rushed to the
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hospital. i said what? i called my mother and she said she was on her way. and so a little time went back and i spoke to janet and a few of the siblings and about 45 minutes later, and then i called my mother back and i hear the sound in her voice, saying he's dead. and just the feeling of emptness came before my body because to hear my mother say her child is dead and my brother's dead, i never thought that i would ever hear this from her lips. >> larry: did you go right over to the hospital? >> immediately. once i got close, i saw the helicopters in the sky and that brought a chill over my body. once i entered ucla i went
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straight to my mother. she was sitting there. she was there, but she wasn't there. i consoled her and hugged her and went to see my baby, michael. >> larry: where did you see him? >> i saw him laying in the room and he was lifeless, breathless. as if it was a shell and he was just there. >> larry: what do you do at a moment like that? do you say something? what do you do? >> i said, michael, why did you go? why did you leave? why did you leave me? what was going through my mind, larry, i wished it was me there instead of him. >> larry: really? >> yes, because i love michael so much. it's a different love. all my family, siblings, the world loves me. but i just felt a special connection with him. just going back memories when my father used to keep us in the
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same rooms because we were on tour because we were the lead singers and memories just came back to me. >> michael's three kids are being cared for by katherine. larry asked about the kids. >> larry: how are his kids? >> his kids are strong. they have a lot of love and care and they're playing with my kids and they're just being strong, but they're -- it's what it is. >> larry: one thing about katherine, your mother, do you think it's proper that she be responsible for the kids? >> yes, i think it's very proper because the way my mother raised us, the way we know how she's very just the love, the joy and making sure that they'll be okay. i thought it was the right
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choice. >> larry: age a hindrance? >> no, because she has a staff. she's always with all of our kids. >> larry: what do you make of the ex-wife possibly seeking custody? >> well, the well is what it is. it was written really well and it was executed by the executors and it is what it is. >> larry: so you don't think she was a shot? >> no, because this is what michael wanted. >> well, neverland was more than just michael jackson's home.
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at neverland ranch. >> karen, you guys got married here. this is the aisle. >> yes, this is where we walked. we walked up here into the gazebo. >> how do you feel coming back here without everything that was here and without michael jackson? >> it's different. it's hard. knowing that he's no longer here. because we've had several events here since our wedding. our wedding was the first event here, but we've had several and also, we've felt his presence. even though he's here in spirit, it's difficult. >> first time you talked to michael jackson, tell that story. >> well, mico and michael called me at work. mico said i have someone on the phone that wants to talk to you. he said, hi, karen.
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i said, hi. it was michael and he asked me if i wanted to get married here. i didn't say anything. i was thinking wow, where elizabeth taylor got married there. he said come up this weekend and if you like it, you can get married here. >> give us a sense of how beautiful, for people, it's hard to translate on television, but boy, it doesn't get much more beautiful than this. >> it was very beautiful. it's a very beautiful place. very peaceful place. you know, it's healing place. no one can come up here and not be happy and not heal their heart. >> sad? >> very sad to say, yes. >> because he's gone? >> i try to think that he's still here, he's still with us, but then when we talk about this and that because he is gone and we talk about the wedding and
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all the events we've had here, it makes me realize that he's gone and it's hard. it's just really hard because he was such a good person. >> that's really hard for all those who loved him. there's so much speculation about what kind of shape michael jackson was in before he died. people who might know the dancers are here, the co-creator of the show is here as well. see what they have to say, next. now the colors of life can last a lifetime. valspar -- the beauty goes on.
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joining us now, the people going on tour with michael jackson. kenny has been michael's partner for 28 years. orianthe, the lead guitarist. appreciate you being with us. we've seen the video and as we look at it, the final dress rehearsal, how was michael? >> he was up, happy, really invested in the night. he was wearing costumes and every once in a while would step off the stage and stand with me
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and look up at travis, actually, standing in for him and just smiling away and just socon tent. >> travis, you've been working with him for decades now. a 50-year-old dancer is not as in good shape as a 25-year-old dancer. >> this michael's case, he's even better. it was wonderful to see him transition and grow. >> had you worked with him before? >> no. >> we see you right there, playing guitar with him. you watch him your whole life, then all of a sudden, find yourself standing beside him. when i got the audition, i didn't think it was real. >> what was he like compared to what you thought he would be? >> he was exactly what i
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>> what was the show like? >> i'd like to say that seeing kenny and travis and michael create the show, they were pushing the limits of rock and roll and the limits of dance. michael himself had for any dance fans that know michael's movement, he had a completely new arsonal of movement? >> you guys were working on new moves? >> michael was a greatest improvisational dancer ever. it was like going into a trance. he didn't think. he just did. there were times when he was in rehearsal and really, we were awe struck. >> how would he come up with ideas for moves? >> started dancing with him in 1992 and then gt n ny was beasd se t n ny do 50 shows. do you believe he was fully committed to doing all 50 shows? >> i think he wanted to do them and more, many, many, many more. he talked about india with the biggest grin on his face.
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it was like a kid in a candy store, getting ready to get back out in the world and be back on that stage, back in the light. it took a lot out of michael to do one performance. he invested his full self. we were trying to make sure the tour was structured so michael wouldn't do more than two to three concerts a week and i think he was feeling good. >> were you nervous, being on stage with him? >> yeah, because we practiced so much. when he called me out, it was very easy to get. to play the parts. we knew the parts like the back of our hands. just being in his presence. i'm just so grateful that i had that time. >> misha, for you, this was a huge tonight. it's got to be just stunning to
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realize, you had the high of getting in the show and then you had this happen. >> it's been devastating. i'm trying to remember and realize the time i had with him and realize it's such a great opportunity rather than looking at the down of losing such an amazing person. trying to remember everything he did give me. sharing the stage with him. he gave any dancer that got on stage with him, when he gets on the stage, he just channels something nd of you. >> so he brings something out in zblou. >> absolutely. his energy on stage, especially
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tuesday. you're now going to be involved in it. what are the details that you can talk about? >> there was a hlot of here say this morning right up until the announcement. then i was called and asked if i would like to direct the program. of course i'm honored and privileged to be associated with the family. i don't know who i'm going to meet with, but i am going to be with aeg and other folks, but we are going to be guided by the family. >> would you all like to perform at the memorial if you could? >> more than anything. >> more than anything. the last minutes, what was the last thing you said to michael jackson? >> very last thing i said to michael jackson, i said, he asked me if i was happy. >> this is wednesday night.
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>> we always got together at the end of rehearsal. i helped him put his jacket on. he said are you happy. i said i'm happy and i'm so proud of you. these last few nights have given you so much confidence and strength. i said, how about you? he said i'm happy. any thoughts with the lighting, the staging, the choreography, the band. he said no. everything was good. it was a good night. >> the questions about drug use. diprivan was found. what do you make of that? is that anything you saw? >> no, no, no. i saw a man with the most gorgeous children who was the happiest dad and the proudest dad with this incredible rapport with these kids. he was so excited and sharing the ideas with his world. >> and there are some folks who
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watch that video and some say well, look, michael jackson looks like he's doing great. he's dancing, singing live. others say he looks thin, wasn't doing any significant dance moves. when people ask what shape he was in, what can you say? >> growing, building. becoming stronger every day. it had been 13 years. he was building himself. opening up his voice. building up his physical dynamic. but there was also this in ingenui ingenuity, this invention. he was alive and inspired and channelling and really present. >> travis, you worked with him intimately. >> we started each day together at his house. >> when you think of him, is there a memory you think of? >> so many. but i've learned so much from
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this gentleman over the years. he also encouraged me to believe this in my ideas. make sure you love it and they'll love it. made us work much harder than we thought we could. >> it's got to feel just completely surreal though. >> it was always about healing the planet. bringing an awareness to our human condition. >> and i think he's left us with a responsibility and i'm ready to accept it. i feel like i've been shot into outer space and sort of landed back down inside my body and there's this new place that i live in now. michael took us on this new journey, some of us for many, many years. we have the responsibility to
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welcome back to "larry king live." gotham chopra new michael jackson for years. here's larry's interview with gotham. >> larry: he was with us last night and we're continuing with gotham. worked with michael on a number of albums. of course the son of the famed deepak chopra. when something like this happens, is there any feeling of guilt or feelings that i should have done more? >> absolutely. and i think through the years, i tried my best and michael responded, sometimes angrily, sometimes in denial and sometimes in acceptance. he was great at isolating
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himself. you would go weeks or months without hearing from him. >> larry: was it frustrating? >> yes. i know i got angry certain times with him, but you know. >> larry: now you and your father said that he talked about dying. in what respects? >> there was certain people that he sort of looked up to from james dean to elvis presley to john lennon. i think that was something that he recognized and almost envied in a way. i think it changed a bit when he had children. he, as any parent, realizes now that you have something outside of yourself to live for. that changed him. but i still think that his creative endeavors might be immortalized by his death. >> larry: the video we were showing all day yesterday, how did it strike you to see him
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rehearsing and then 48 hours later, he's gone? >> i think the whole thing has been shocking. when i heard art it, i mean, that video, i think i look and see, michael took his performing very seriously. >> larry: and a perfectionist. >> he knew that this was going to be his last series of performances and for that reason, he really wanted to be the rock star again. >> larry: did he look okay to you? >> like i said rs he was always very then. but he didn't look frail to me. i've seen michael without the makeup. without all the being made up as elaborate as he was when he went out. he looked okay to me. but you know, i think i probably wanted to see him look well, so i did.
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>> larry: what are you thoughts about the will? >> you know, there's so much chaos that's going to ensue for the next few months if not years. >> larry: a challenge, maybe? >> maybe. i think ultimately, all of us who care, and i know the ex-wife and family all hope the children's interests are first and foremost. >> larry: what is it about michael jackson will you most remember? >> that was he was a friend. that's kind of my thinking, that i've lost a great friend. he was also a brilliant and iconic artist and his talent was root nd a lot of anguish and he talked about that. it was painful to watch, but partly also what has fired him. >> larry: what can top him? >> maybe his legacy. >> larry: which is?
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>> i think we'll remember him for being probably the greatest artist of this generation, perhaps the sench ru. >> larry: so the tapes, the videos will be shown forever. >> i think he will be immortalized by his performances. in the last week, who hasn't sat around and watched the "beat it" video or "thriller" video. >> jermaine jackson has some revealing things to say about michael and drug use. we'll have that in 60 seconds. the great american holiday is here. and here's something to celebrate - the pontiac 72-hour sale. you only have 72 hours to declare your independence from interest payments for 6 full years, with 0% apr financing for 72
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that way. >> larry: there was a second autopsy. do you know of anything? >> you know, i don't. but there's going to be all kind of speculation and things that are being said, but the most important thing is we have to look at who michael really is. >> the doctor is here next and we'll find out what a professional has to say about the death of michael jackson.
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she gave a long and strange press conference. we'll show it to you and you can judge it for yourself. we'll have analysis from our political team. that's coming up. drew pinsky joins us now. a lot of talk to you about. ap saying diprivan was found at michael jackson's home. what did you think about that? >> that is a bizarre, bizarre thing. i thought, oh, my goodness. never seen it outside of an intensive care unit. i've heard of an esthesiologist becoming addicted. it's really outlandish that that medicine be utilized out of the hospital or that the patient ask for that medicine by name, dose and route of administration.
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>> the fact that we have now learned dr. gupta tracked him down, on his history tour, michael jackson had a doctor along with another doctor on tour with him. what does that tell you? >> that a huge problem was underway. one of the problems with powerful celebrities is they tend to think they need special care. the reality is that the standard of care is the standard of care because it is the best. when a person starts demanding something special -- >> which is ironic. >> people with a lot of money and no money have a lot more in common in terms of the quality they get. the doctor sort of the gets s
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seduced by the celebrity. when that celebrity turns on them and says you're awful, you're not making a horrible doctor you are, it can become a powerful situation. >> at this point we don't have the toxicology reports. until we have that we won't know for sure what happened. you have dr. deepak chopra who said he asked for medications. this nurse said he asked for diprivan. what happened to jackson makes anna nicole smith look like nothing. what is the picture you see? >> if you add the data to the fact he had been admitted to chemical dependency programs for painkiller addiction. you have to meet a diagnosis. that is a life-long chronic
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disorder. if that person with that diagnosis is also using medication, asking for medication, getting extraordinary amounts and types of medication that means that addictive disease by definition is alive and well that person's life is in danger. >> michael jackson was using diprivan in order to sleep, it does not make you sleep. it is not giving you rem sleep. so your body is not recovering in the way people do if you sleep. >> that is exactly right. it is not as though that is in the paradigm of treatments for sleep disorders or insomnia. it isn't. the description we heard from the nurse, michael jackson suffering, and he really was suffering. sounds like a withdrawal state. my patients complain i can't sleep. you can't treat insomnia until you simplify the pharmacological situation. >> how much in patients you deal with, celebrities you deal with,
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is about the celebrity, the person and how much is enabled by people hanging around them? >> as i said, yes, my research has been clear. i have the only published literature on this topic. people seek to be celebrity tend to arrive with preexisting pathologies, among them narcissism. >> it is not normal to seek out fame in the public eye. i speak from experience as you do as well. >> if you do it because it is, hey, it is me. people tend to keep them around them feeling special, anybody who violates risks access to that person. >> michael jackson would make himself unavailable if you pushed him. >> deepak refused him and was dismissed from the inner circle. there is somebody lined up who will gratify them. it is a luring situation. i feel bad for the doctors who get themselves in this situation. you are well meaning, you want to help that person.
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they tell you what a great job you are doing. it feels good when a powerful person tells you you are doing good. that is a slippery seductive slope. don't attempt this alone. >> should these doctors be hanging out socially with these people? >> no. the big problem is the violation of boundaries. you have to maintain boundaries with people with certain pathological problems. you have to be available to them but do some things that are not so fun and pleasant. don't gratify them. that is something a lot of people are not equipped to do. >> so much to learn. again, it is up to the toxicology reports to get a sense. the information coming out is not good. >> it is extraordinary and it is sad. >> that is the bottom line. dr. drew pinsky, thank you. we go back to neverland, next. when we both decide. announcer: today, guys with erectile dysfunction can be
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♪ >> very few people have been granted access to neverland since michael jackson's death. here is never before seen footage. >> one of the lasting images people have is the amusement park rides. those are no longer here. when you look out here what goes through your mind? can you visualize what it used to like? >> yeah. we had the zipper over here, the slide here, the carousel here, the jumbotron here where he could show videos and movies day or night. you could see it on a huge screen. popcorn machines, snow cone
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machines all over. places for drinks and soda. the bumper cars over here the racetrack was over here. basketball court, everything was here for everyone to enjoy. >> you said the adults had just as much fun as the kids. >> the adults would be on the rides over and over and over with their kids, going from ride to ride to ride, enjoying the whole park, having a good time. the music would be blaring. it was fun, a lot of fun. >> you got here by the train, the tracks are just up there. this is the movie theater. let's go check that out. >> okay. >> inside the movie theater, miko, whatever you wanted, huh? >> he had stacked with candy, whatever you want. coming back for doubles, ice cream, popcorn, he had coffee, sodas, anything you wanted. >> doubles. kids usually don't get doubles.
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>> here they went wild. the mothers said, no, no, you d have one. he said let them have two. it's okay. >> this is the theater. before we go there we want to show you this, a dance studio, where michael jackson would rehere's. >> yes. his recording studio, his dance studio. he did all his work in here. this was his area and only his area. >> as you can see, a circle in the floor that's back in here. this is where -- this is for michael jackson's spinning? >> yeah. he would do his dance steps, he would have a mirror, the lights, everything set up to where he felt he was on stage and he could rehearse and practice. >> to the side there is a bathroom and the theater is right around the corner. check this out, obviously, spent a lot of time here.
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tell us about this room? >> this room for handicaps to watch movies with their assistants or nurses, enjoy the film and have their space. >> the sick kids that couldn't be out here with the others. >> weren't able to sit in the seats. >> this is where michael jackson sat? >> yeah. here or there. he would sit here and just control the movie, if the volume was too high or too low. he controlled the whole room right here. >> let's check out the stage. we'll walk through here. this is an incredible -- there's a trap door. tell us about michael's love of magic. >> he loved magic. he would have magic shows, performers, a trap door ove here as you see. he would just show magic shows to his family and friends. he loved magic. >> the trap door here and
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