jackson when you join don lemon in the cnn newsroom starting at 6:00 eastern time. thanks for joining me this sunday. i'm brook baldwin, fareed zakaria, "gps" is next. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. this week we're coming to you out of london with an in-depth conversation with david miliband, the 43-year-old prime minister of great britain. he's the odds-on favorite to be the next labor party leader and the next prime minister of the country. he has to confront the problem arrested nine iranians who worked in the british embassy. western countries face a difficult set of choices with iran. should they return to the negotiating arena with iran? wouldn't that mean glossing over the rigged election and accepting president mahmoud ahmadinejad as the head of its government? yes, but it isn't clear what the

alternative would be. the problem with iran's nuclear program remains, and we're negotiating with them to see if some agreement can be reached. that program continues to grow, and refusing to negotiate will not do anything to stop it. and, yet, it seems odd to act as if the extraordinary events of the past month simply didn't happen. so, here's one solution. do nothing. the five major powers on the u.n. security council, plus germany, have already given iran a very generous offer to restart the nuclear negotiations. iran has not responded. so, the ball is in tehran's court. until iran responds, the west should simply sit tight, build support for tougher sanctions and more isolation, if necessary. it might seem like the west has bad options right now, but iran has even fewer and worse ones. it's economy is doing very badly. the regime has faced its greatest challenge since its founding.

its proxies in lebanon, iraq and elsewhere are faring worse than expected and we now know the answer to a very big question, are there moderates in iran? yes. within iran, there are millions of people, including very powerful members of the establishment, who favor a less confrontational approach to the world. let the supreme leader and president ahmadinejad stew a bit and figure out what they should do first. time may not be on their side. now we'll hear from david miliband about whether africa gets too much foreign aid. let's get started. >> mr. foreign secretary, thank you for joining us. >> i'm delighted to be with you. >> first let's talk about iran,

the government officials who have been arrested by the iranian government. you unequivocally assert that none of these people were in any way involved in anything that could be regarded as instigating local demonstration. >> the head of the iranian intelligence service said the riots were organized from the british embassy. this is completely without foundation. anyone who managed to get interviews in the early days could see these were patriotic iranians arguing about the future of their country. there's no mobilization, instigation, organization of protests from the british embassy. these are hard-working diplomatic staff going about their business in a normal way. i think they would also say they are patriotic iranians and working for the british government that's wholly consistent with their diplomatic status. >> there's an article that perhaps britain was singled out by tehran because of barack obama. the logic goes that obama presented this much friendlier face of america, presented a kind of an offer of

negotiation and the iranians were left with no one to demonize, so they fell back on the little satan given that the great satan is smiling on them. >> i think there are reasons why britain is picked on. however, i think that we've been clear for some time that a policy of engagement from america to iran was much, much needed and the demonization that has happened for 30 years has been exacerbated by the fact that america was not present, in my view, in iran. barack obama has made it harder to demonize america. there is still some demonization of america going on, let's not kid ourselves, but he has made it that much harder. i think that there are millions of iranians who are proud they are an islamic republic, who want to live according to their own tradition and religion but they seek co-existence but that's what barack obama is appealing to. >> so at this moment with

british embassy staffers arrested by the iranian government, you still believe in engagement with this regime? >> yes. the government is still disputed by the iranian people. but from our point of view, cutting ourselves off from iran can only strengthen those who want to cut iran off from the rest of the world. and actually, that's not in our interest or in their interest. >> you're a student of history. does this moment in iran remind you of the general's crackdown in poland? does it remind you the brief flowering of freedom that takes place in various communist countries and then gets reversed? "it remind you of tiananmen square? what is happening right now in iran? >> i think all of those are interesting and suggestive examples, the echoes throughout history of governments which have tried to suppress

demonstrations or suppress the anger of their own people are legion. i think -- i add, though, that every country is unique, but almost iran is more unique than others. and i think one has to be quite careful, certainly if you're sitting in my shoes, in suggesting comparisons because i think can that can set off all sorts of processes. what's clear, though, is that there is, for significant sections of the iranian population, a crisis of credibility about the results that were announced, the 63% vote for president mahmoud ahmadinejad. i don't know how many votes he got, but a lot of iranians think he didn't get 63% of the vote on an 85% turnout. and that issue of legitimacy, i think, is very, very important now, because we've seen in many countries, including some of the ones that you mentioned, that legitimacy is an asset that's hard to build up. when it's built up, it's constructed over decades but can be destroyed quite fast.

in the modern age, in the twitter age, you're on permanent trial for your legitimacy. >> right now, the iranian regime is using nationalism which is familiar. the ayatollah came to power. using the shah as an american puppet. and over the last 10 or 15 years, they have portrayed themselves as under imminent threat of attack from george bush's administration or the americans or the israelis, and now they are trying it with the use of britain, also the united states. will it work? does -- nationalism is a pretty powerful force in some of these countries, particularly in iran. i wouldn't be surprised if many iranians do believe that there's a plot being hatched by washington and london to destabilize this regime. >> well, nationalism is a potent force, especially if you control the means of communication. but so is internationalism.

and i think that there is a growing global consciousness powered by the technology that does break down borders and barriers, that does get through, especially in a country with the high level of education and technology access that iran still has, despite the best efforts of the regime. in that sense, there are these contradictory forces. i think it's really important with countries like iran that we, perhaps, especially with our history which you referred to earlier, we and the united states, because of its power, respect is an important word, respect for a people, for its way of life, for its history, you can't buy respect, but you can show respect. and i think that's something we probably haven't been good enough about in the past, something we got to do better with i think a lot of countries in the islamic world.

one thing i feel very, very strongly is that we talk about islamic countries, islamic people, islamic leaders as either moderates or extremists. it's almost like there's only two categories of muslims. and actually, that doesn't show respect, it shows a lack of understanding of the diversity of muslim thought, shows a lack of understanding of muslim countries. from indonesia through turkey, islamic country, a democracy too, to other countries, the sunnis, shias, et cetera. i think that our growing understanding of those, that diversity of islamic force, is vital for a simple reason. the problems that the world faces, from nuclear proliferation to climate change, can't be tackled by the west alone. they need a coalition not of just west and east, they need a coalition of christian, jew and muslim, and you can't solve the problem unless the muslim countries are part of the answer.

we saw that at the g-20. indonesia was here for the g-20 economic meeting but we also see that on the nuclear file. >> do you think that in a few months we'll be back to negotiating with the iranians on the nuclear issue? >> in a way, i hope so. in fact, it's too late in many ways, because in this building a year ago, the e-3, the three european countries plus russia, china and the u.s. met under the previous u.s. administration, but together we presented a very clear offer to iran which is that it could have its rights to civilian nuclear power respected as long as there was confidence there wasn't leakage from that civilian program into a military program. we can't have that confidence at the moment because of the pre-2003 secret programs and because of the refusal to cooperate properly with the international atomic energy commission. >> could you live with a program in iran, in which iranians would enrich uranium on their soil but with international inspectors? >> there's only one condition

that we, and not just britain, but all six countries placed on an iranian nuclear program, and that there's full confidence in the international community that there isn't leakage into a nuclear weapons program. that's the only red line that we have, all of us, all six countries, put because the truth is that an iranian nuclear weapons program is a huge danger, not just to the middle east, but the wider world. if threatens to blow a hole in the nonproliferation treaty. >> but to be clear, so that viewers understand what that does suggest is that there is a potential compromise here because the iranians have said that they might accept a system in which they are allowed to have an enrichment facility but it has to be in iran and has to be iranians involved. what you're saying is if you can have confidence that that civilian program were not leaking into a weapons program, that would be fine with the west?

>> we've, all of us, never ruled anything in. we've always been clear what we rule out. what we rule out is a situation where there's a fear, a justified fear that an iranian civilian nuclear power program, which is a right is leaking into a nuclear weapons program which is prohibited. and we said very clearly we want to open negotiations. your first question is do i hope that the iranians take up this offer of negotiations. the answer is yes. we're waiting for them. we've been waiting for them since last year. and part of this is an argument that needs to happen in iran and also around the world because i think what's important is that while iran may try to present itself as a victim of western aggression, whether in respect to its demonstrations or nuclear program, the truth is iran's leaders are making choices every day in how they engage with the outside world, whether in respect to diplomas sorry the nuclear issue and we

need a much more positive kind of engagement from iran. >> i think it's problematic that we have gotten the culture that celebrities have become the face of africa. my problem is that a lot of the celebrity platform is cause of negativity.

you gave a speech about britain and the wider islamic world, a very intelligent speech a few weeks before barack obama gave his speech in cairo.

do you believe that right now, relations between the west and the world of islam, if one can characterize it as such, are improving? >> i think they've gone backwards since 2001, but i think that the drive by president obama, starting with a simple statement, we are not at war with islam, and it's shocking in a way that that statement should be seen as such a step forward, but in many muslim majority countries, it was. and i think he set off a very interesting debate and a very important conversation. so, i think that the approach that the obama administration has started offers huge potential benefits and is immensely necessary. does that mean it will be plain sailing? obviously not. >> you and britain have a particular problem because one of the things that has puzzled many people is after the london bombs in the subway, people looked at london and britain and

thought, wait a minute, these people can't be upset because they don't have democracy. they live in one of the world's most established democracies. they can't be upset because they are poor, they are not poor. so, why does britain have some part of its muslim population that is radicalized, alienated and subject to terror? >> that's a good question. britain is a country of successful muslim business people, teachers and educators, journalists. so we have to say very strongly that the 2 million plus muslims in britain, the vast bulk of them, makes a huge contribution to our society and makes it a vibrant society. there's a radicalization that has happened. the detailed work on that suggests that a combination of exclusion, anger, not simply poverty, income levels, speaks to that. also, there's no question that there are leaks back to pakistan

for 70%-plus of our terrorism problems. and i think that that is a big challenge, obviously, because you're right, it's not a simple, simple answer -- socio economic answer. it's a mix of social exclusion, ideological anger, falling into the wrong company. some of the most interesting books written in britain are written by former radicals that have seen the dangers of what they were being sold. the lesson is you have to build a genuinely inclusive society in all of its dimensions. and the truth is those who are terrorists only have to succeed once and those of us who are trying to build an inclusive society has to succeed every time. i think the wrong lesson is to pull up the draw bridge. pulling up the draw bridge is no strategy for the modern world. you have to combine a sense of

internationalism with a sense of rootedness and inclusion and that's on the basis of very, and that's a very clear understanding of what you sign up to when you come to britain as a citizen or as a resident. one of the things i think we haven't been good enough here in this country, we worked hard in the last 20, 30 years to promote respect for ethnic minority group. i think we haven't had a sense of british credo, the integrative part of the multicultural society isn't being built up strongly enough. that's why the prime minister puts strong emphasis on citizenship. that's why we take more seriously, perhaps learning from america, about the preparation for citizenship and the obligations of citizenship. >> let's talk about pakistan, the country that you said 70% of britain's terrorism suspects come from originally and often had some contact with. why is it that despite all the efforts, the united states and britain have not been able to really make much of a dent in the radicalization that is going

on in pakistan? many people believe it is because the pakistani military continues to play a game of the one hand encouraging these forces because they can be effectively deployed against india or afghanistan when the military wants, and then occasionally clamping down on them when those same forces or associated groups seem to threaten the pakistani state. is this a cycle that can be stopped? >> well, i think it's a cycle that has to be stopped because it's a threat to pakistan. the enemy pakistan faces, the domestic terrorist enemy, not a large and successful neighbor, india which has far better things to do in world of commerce and politics ends up in a standoff with pakistan. >> do you feel when you talk to the pakistani military they get that? >> that's what i'm coming on to. there has been a change.

i think since the assassination of benazir bhutto, and if you remember six or seven weeks ago, the headlines across the world and across the pakistani press, the taliban 70 kilometers from islamabad. that was a pivotal moment because you could feel the middle classes in pakistan asking, "are we safe?" what you've seen is unity across the political spectrum and critically unity between politicians and the military in pursuing a very difficult campaign in the swat valley. remember, the pakistani military lost 2,000 of its own soldiers in the frontier corp in the last 18 months or so. you've seen unity and a sigh of relief from large parts of pakistani society suggesting leaders will get a grip. pakistan is -- you asked at the beginning of your question, whether britain's or america's fault, we haven't run pakistan for 60 years now. >> you drew the boundary between pakistan and india which caused -- >> we did. we have to recognize our own

history. 61 years, india is the world's largest and most successful -- largest democracy and a success story of the region. pakistan, 31 years of military rule, two-thirds of its boundary contested. communities split by lines between countries and the bangladesh experience of the early 1970s. pakistan has been a society deeply challenged, socioeconomically, politically, geographically over the last 60 years. and i think what is important is that countries like britain and america engage in the right way. we have to support credible, strong government in pakistan that is able to come to grips with its own problems, because it's a mortal threat that their own society faces that is the greatest threat to us. >> would you scene more troops into afghanistan if president obama asked you to? >> we will decide on our troop

deployment according to the need on the ground. we have 9,000 troops in helmand province now or 6,000 helmand, 3,000 elsewhere in the country. the british commitment is very substantial, 12% of the total before the american surge. but the biggest increase in troops, and i think people forget this in the next few years, will not be brits or americans. it will be afghans. >> this sounds like you are saying no. >> no one should say, given the level of sacrifice of british soldiers, 169 british soldiers have died in afghanistan, we've increased our numbers from four to five to six, to 8, 300 now to 9,000. >> but now no more? >> we always judge according to conditions on the ground. we agreed to put in an extra 700 because of the elections in august. this is a major contribution by the british army. we've done it because it's the right thing to do, backing up a credible strategy. it is making a difference. we know if there weren't british and american and danish and

other troops and canadian troops in afghanistan, the afghan security forces don't yet have the ability to withstand the insurgency. but with our support and with our training, they have the chance to build up that capacity. that's why we're there. we're not there to create another british colony. we're there to build up a society that's able to defend itself. tums goes to work in seconds. tums, bring it on.

do you find it difficult to speak about matters of religion and faith? you have been described as an atheist. you have a jewish background. does this whole world of religion puzzle and bother you? >> i'm british, so by definition, i don't like talking about myself. but i think that it doesn't -- people of faith -- i have huge respect for people of all faiths, but i have to be honest about where i'm coming from. my parents and grandparents, all of them jews, went through huge trauma. they went through the trauma of the holocaust. i don't know if it's for that reason that by 1965 when i was

born, my grandparents who were alive and my parents were secular, but i've grown up in a secular way. i've thought about this and i'm an atheist. i say that. i'm not a person of faith myself. and i think that one has got to be able to say that, in that sense that's not a problem or difficulty, but equally it's not something i go around broadcasting. >> the hardest part of the job is two little kids both under 5? >> yeah. we shouldn't complain about our lives because they are a great privilege, but the people who suffer are your family, because they don't have as much of you as they like. you have a 4 1/2-year-old and 1 1/2-year-old who are changing every weekend when you're away. they change by the time you come back. that's the toughest thing, i think, because, you know, they are only children once. and so, you don't want to miss any of that. >> what do you do? >> you have to switch off the blackberry.

the thing i've learned in the last four and a half years, since the first one was born, is you can't multitask when it comes to your children. if you have limited time with them, you got to be with them. you can't be half on the blackberry. and so that's a hard thing to do sometimes. they are the sharpest cookies. they pick up if you're actually focused on what's on the blackberry rather than what's on their minds. that's what i learned the most. i'm a recovering addict on the blackberry front. i'm not sort of completely sorted on it. that's the most important thing. still not enough. that's the biggest dilemma that any of us face. >> david miliband. >> pleasure. >> thank you very much. the debate is being stuck between aid and no aid, versus what are the opportune it's that the historic moment? models. including impala. with an epa estimated 29 mpg highway. that's better than toyota avalon.

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every year, the united states and many other governments sends many, many billions of dollars in aid to alleviate the desperate parts in poverty. who could argue with that? one of my next guests. i recently spoke to two women in our studios in new york who make strong arguments for and against foreign aid or for two different approaches to foreign aid. take a look and listen. you are originally from zambia. you've written a book called "dead aid" in which she said foreign aid to africa has led to a culture of corruption and dependence that has led to nothing and celebrities haven't helped. also, the founder and ceo of acumen fund which uses highly innovative entrepreneurial approaches in solving worldwide problems. she again her career in banking with chase manhattan bank. and she has a new book out

called? >> the "blue sweater." >> "the blue sweater." wonderful book. so reading your book. i'm thinking to myself why are your so angry with these people? you look at somebody like bono. he's spending an enormous amount of time traveling in africa, trying to learn about the conditions, talking about programs that work, dealing with some macoeconomic issues like debt relief, which seem to make sense with the debt burden for these african countries are extraordinary, but you really have it in for him. >> my biggest problem is a lot of the celebrity platform is couched in negativity on africa. in the book i call it the four horsemen of africa's apocalypse. the focus on corruption, poverty, disease and sort of, ongoing wars is not helpful. >> jacqueline, you let people know, acumen basically tries to find entrepreneurs and then fund them.

it becomes a self-fulfilling process. but you also worked a lot with aid agencies. what is your experience with these aid agencies that get government money and are trying to alleviate poverty? >> there's a real opportunity to work with some of the government agencies like unicef and the global fund that has done tremendous things for malaria and hiv/aids. we have one example where acumen fund which uses this concept of patient capital, recognizing that we need to invest in entrepreneurs but take below market returns and leave it in for a long time. when the global funding aids decided they wanted to find a way to get bed nets to all africans and over the last few years distributed 70 million nets that is a a lot of nets, a company in japan was the major producer. all of those nets were being produced in east asia. so, they said isn't there an opportunity to find an african entrepreneur to produce these nets? we came in to help identify that entrepreneur as well as provide

this patient capital, a loan back in 2003. and today, eight of the textile mills in arusha, tanzania, employ 7,000 women making 20 million bed nets per year which provides coverage for 40 million. there are opportunities for us to innovate around the aid establishment by recognizing what it's good at and finding ways to support entrepreneurship and private sector development, particularly for the poor, because the markets alone won't do it and traditional aid won't do it. >> you don't like the whole bed nets thing. somewhere in here you say -- tell us what your gripe with the the bed nets is. just to make sure people understand. bed nets is what helps people survive, prevents malaria particularly if they are sprayed and people sleep under them, incidents of malaria go down.

but you don't like them? >> i don't like the fact that very often western, the western debate focus on making the donations of mosquito nets, bed nets, the same thing. what i propose in the book is exactly what jacqueline described. rather than dumping 10,000 nets into a country which kills off the domestic producer of those nets, why not invest with those, with the domestic bed net producer so they can expand their production, employ people, so people can get -- you get job creation. >> it's not the market doing. she's doing it as a charitable function. >> in fact, when we started i was much more, none of these nets should be given away, we should sell the nets. what's been a real learning for me is that 95% of the nets are given away through the global fund. and there are cases when it makes sense to give away these

nets. and, in fact, i was visiting this man four years in a row and i've watched him go from skin and bones, $6 a month, endemic and perennial malaria to malaria-free where he's growing this maize. the last time i visited him for the first time he had a mattress. "how old are you?" sleeping forever on a mud floor. and he said, "i'm 66 years old." first time in your life. that's where -- that's where these issues are complex, because he was given a net, he knew how to use it, his life was changed. there's room for innovation, experimentation with what it would take to sell the nets to a certain percentage of the population while recognizing giving away is also -- can work. the issue for me is can you move those aid flows to invest in africa entrepreneurs but then build the solutions themselves? >> that's not a private sector

solution. that's using a lot of government money. the big picture here what we're saying, is there a role for aid? not can it be, you know, because what jacqueline is saying we can do it in a more innovative way, but we still need western cash. are you comfortable with that? >> what i'm comfortable with is a society where government are primarily responsible for providing health care, education, infrastructure and security to the people in a very comfortable basis. >> we don't have that world. >> we do. if we did, you wouldn't have these problems. >> in an aid-based model, where governments don't need to listen to domestic citizenry rather than courting donors, the government will start to provide innovative solutions. to me, it's rather temporary and

perhaps even foolhardy for us to grow an economy based on external interventions. >> we're not that far apart in that this is the moment for reinvention and that the private sector and private innovation can lead the way to public change. >> i won't sit here and dispute the fact that some international organizations, arguably few international organizations have actually gone into africa and meaningfully to transform people's lives. it's in a very narrow context. i'm here to argue we need a much more aggressive innovative system to actually transform the economy of africa from where it is today into something where it is much more, greater participator in the global economy. africa is shearing off and the rest of the world is going in one direction and africa is going in another direction. it's not surprising in 1970s only 10% of the population was

living under a dollar a day. that number is over 70%. as i said earlier with populations, over 60% of the population under age 24 we should be concerned that we are not creating jobs enough -- enough jobs fast enough to ensure that africans ultimately are the ones who will be providing health care and governments are held to task. they are responsible, ultimately not the gates foundation not charities. they are ultimately responsible to the african government. >> don't you think -- to me, the debate shouldn't be aid or no aid. to me, the debate should be we've got a broken system. our financial system. the international aid complex. that if we -- if we really believe that human beings are fundamentally equal, you take that principle and we think about how do we extend that to every person on the planet? there are also some problems that we have as a world that are

truly global, that are not for a government and if you look at small pox as another example, 500 million people died in the 20th century due to small pox. 2 million people a year were dying until 1980. 1 billion housecalls were made to the private sector and government because of w.h.o., because of this worldwide moral vision to eradicate small pox. wouldn't you say there was room, where we agree, systems are broken, we need more innovation, more private sector market development? and we need to be clear what's the role of government? what's the role of aid? what's the role of private sector? what's the role of charity that we actually could make progress on this? but i worry that the debate is being stuck between aid versus no aide rather than what are the opportunities we have with this extraordinary historic moment. >> i am very confident that the

model can work. the aid model has not delivered jobs and that's what africans need. yes, we can quibble whether it's a five-year program or a ten-year program. what we need to focus on is it cannot be an open-ended program. we need to be more focused on doing what we know works and moving ourselves away from things that we know don't work. there are no countries that have achieved long-term economic growth and reduced poverty as dramatically as we've seen in china and india in recent years that have been dependent on an aid system. the aid model is couched in an attitude of pity. we need more businesses to come into africa. governments need to be held accountable. they need to start looking for more accountable types and transparent types of capital which is not aid, unfortunately. >> on that note, thank you very much. fascinating conversation. we'll be right back. g world.

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i'm don lemon live to los angeles. we return to fareed zakaria in a moment. national police classified former nfl quarterback steve mcnair's death as a homicide but

they are not ready to say it was a murder/suicide. mcnair's body was discovered in a downtown nashville condominium yesterday along with the body of a woman described as someone mcnair was dating for several months. both died of gunshot wounds. >> while it is clear that m steve mcnair's death is a homicide as a result of being shot four times, the police department is not yet class fig ms. kazemi's death. she does have a single gunshot wound to the side of the head, but there is more investigation required. we are going to be interviewing persons throughout the day today and probably for the next several days. i would expect that it will be a number of days before the classification is placed on ms. kazemi's death. . kazemi was a waitress at a local restaurant. workers say mcnair and his family were frequent customers. the monorail trains at florida's disney world normally carry about 150,000 riders daily

but they are idle today after a 2 a.m. crash killed a train operator. he is identified as 21-year-old austin juanenburg. brook baldwin spoke to a witness to who wants to remain anonymous, he said a moving monorail train ran into the back of a stationary train. >> we immediately tried to gain access into the -- where the driver would be. gain access into the rear part of the red one and that is the park and there was no one inside there the blue one was mangled up but couldn't get access to that tried to tear apart the doors and there was no way we could get in there once fire rescue and the police showed up, they made us step back. >> authorities say one operator was pronounced dead at the scene. they say the operator of the train, the other train, was unhurt, but shaken up emotionally. there are no reports of serious injuries to any of the passengers. a serial people has people in gaffney, south carolina, so

scared, even a minister is keeping a gun in his church office. five people have been killed in the past week. a massivest search is under with a i do find out who he is. iran's disputed election is now drawing fire from some of the country's top religious leaders. the guam clergy seen as a backbone of the nation's religious establishment released a statement sake the election was skewed. here is part of what the statement said. "how can can one accept the legitimacy of the election just because the guardian council says so? can one say the government born out of infringement is a legitimate one?" it prompted a controversial recount in two weeks of protests. a developing story out of honduras. the ousted president there says he is returning to his country today, but the military-backed government which took him out of power vows his plane will not be allowed to land. fareed zakaria gps returns in a moment. i'm not waiting until my cholesterol is an emergency.

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now for our what in the world segment. here's what caught my eye this week. vladimir putin has a plan to end the recession in his country. no summer vacations for bankers. he asked russian state-owned banks to help its country pull itself out of the steep decline by loaning out a cash. he set a target of $16 billion and asked the heads of banks scrap their plans for summer vacations until they've implemented the plans. the russian economy is in free

fall and contracted by 10% in the first half of this year and for h for the whole of 2009 it's expected to go back down twice as badly as the world bank thought. this is happening despite the fact that oil prices have actually risen over the past few months. outside of oil and other natural resources, russia has no economy. its efforts to create a legal and political structure to encourage real business activity have been a near complete failure. the stimulus plan was too little too late. president obama should keep in this mind as he meets with russia's leader. unlike the other emerging market countries like china and india, russia is a declining power. it has an unimpressive economy, a shrinking population, a bloated, inefficient army and fronts an array of problems along its borders. the kremlin might dream of

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now for our question of the week. last week i asked you whether you thought you were getting an accurate picture of what's happening in iran. reporters have not been allowed to cover the story, so our only source is people, the internet and twitter. most did not feel you were getting the whole story. one particularly astute e-mailer said the problem with getting iran news via twitter is it's like watching a sporting event by focusing on only one player. it's a close-up. no wider view or perspective. i agree, and highway patrol

that -- i hope that's what we offer each week. in the coming days i'll interview the secretary of treasury, tim geithner. he had a bit of a rocky start and has stabilized. i want to ask you, do you think he's doing better? do you approve of the moves he's making? let me know what you think of tim geithner. on this anniversary of america's declaration of independence, i'd like to recommend a book called american creation. it's by a pulitzer prize winning american historian who has been a guest of this program, joseph ellis. it tells a terrific tale of the america's founding, from the shots fired in lexington and concord in 1775 to thomas jefferson's louisiana purchase in 1803. ever wondered how america got saddled with an electoral college. lots of insights. you can follow us on twiter and facebook. go to our website