if it was a slow news day, we would have had amber on. because that's how we roll. >> indeed. >> you can see more of amber on our website at ac360.com. at the top of the hour the that does it for 360. larry king starts right now. we'll see you for "360" tomorrow night. >> larry: tonight, it's countdown to michael jackson memorial madness. the formal good-bye just hours away. crowds gathering now to say farewell. there's room for thousands. will millions descend on downtown l.a. for an all-star service? and the private plans. something's happening early tomorrow morning, but what? will michael jackson finally be laid to rest? next -- on "larry king live."

>> larry: good evening. big news regarding control of michael jackson's estate tonight and the memorial service just hours away. plus there may be a funeral tomorrow morning at forest lawn in los angeles. susan roesgen is there with the latest on that. first, we go to ted rowlands who is at the staples center in downtown los angeles. are people gathering already, ted? >> yes, larry, people have been gathering here throughout the day outside staples center. after midnight tonight this area's going to be cordoned off. right now, they are letting the public up and down here. they've put up some murals. hundreds of people have been coming here waiting for upwards of one to two hours for a chance just to walk into this gated-off area and sign one of these three panels that's been put up which has michael jackson pictures on it. and people are just basically writing little notes to add to it. like i said, they've been

waiting literally hours to do that. >> how are they going to handle, ted, now the circus comes right in after that, right? >> reporter: yeah, and they're really concerned about bringing people down here, having people come down that don't have tickets. the problem is, you have people that have literally come here from across the country hoping they could get tickets and now they don't have tickets and where, of course, do they go? well, they come down here. here's a case right here, linda and jenny came out from baltimore. first of all, quickly, why come all the way out here? >> well, we were hoping we would get tickets and we had already booked our flight and everything before we knew and before we knew they were going to block it off and they weren't going to allow fans to come down. >> reporter: you don't have tickets, will you come down here tomorrow just to be close? >> yes. >> reporter: exactly what the lapd doesn't want you to do. what did you write on the wall? >> that i -- i love muk cal jackson. that i -- i love michael jackson.

he's been in our family for 26 years. we've been big fans for a long time. >> reporter: all right. this is a classic example, larry, of really what they're afraid of, and that is people without the tickets are going to come down here anyway. lapd has a system in place at 12:01 tomorrow morning, they're going to block off a couple block area here and force people out. and the hope is that people will just stay away. >> i know the l.a. police are asking people -- if you don't have tickets, you're just going to create a double problem for everybody concerned. it's wise to watch it on television. you can see it a lot better there anyway. let's go out to the forest lawn cemetery. susan roesgen is standing by. our cnn correspondent. now, are there burial plans tomorrow? is the body there? >> reporter: boy, larry, we wish we knew. we have not confirmed when or where michael jackson will actually be buried. as you know, this is forest lawn cemetery. the celebrity cemetery where bette davis is buried, lucille ball, ed mcmahon just last week. this could be where michael jackson is buried. we know tomorrow cnn has learned there will be a gathering of the jackson family here at 8:00

local time, two hours before the public memorial. but that is all that we can confirm at this moment. there's going to be a gathering. and yet, larry, you may be able to see over my shoulder, there are security guards here, they've been barricading the entrance. even some michael jackson fans who have come out. they seem to think there's something going to happen here. we don't know whether or not michael jackson's body will come here or whether he'll be buried here. but we do know there's going to be some kind of gathering here, larry, so i think people have to put two and two together. we'll see what comes out of it. >> larry: susan, is a gathering a funeral? >> reporter: we have not been told that word. we've just been told, larry, a gathering. so it would be wonderful if we could say yes, there's going to be a private funeral here and michael jackson will be buried here, but we don't have that confirmed. only that it's going to be a family gathering. >> larry: they would like neverland of course. but the law in california says you can't be buried on private property, right?

>> reporter: that's true, larry. they would have had to go through all kinds of hoops. to do that there. and as you know, it's way up in santa barbara county. whereas this place with its acres of rolling hills. and the fountains and the statues. you know, people, larry, can go into any bookstore and go in the travel section and find whole books devoted to this cemetery and the paths you can take to try to find some of the stars you want to see. their burial sites. in fact, there's an information booth. this place is open to the public from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. every day of the week. so they know that people will be here. larry this is what i think i find most ironic, is if -- "if" michael jackson is buried here, he'll be surrounded by tourists in the afterlife just as he was in life. >> larry: ted, quickly, who are some of the people -- some of the stars definitely coming? >> reporter: well, it runs the gamut through the entertainment world. including people like mariah carey, usher, stevie wonder. people you might expect, smokey robinson.

also some sports stars as well, magic johnson and kobe bryant. a long list of people. one person not coming, elizabeth taylor. she said she didn't want to put herself into what she called the hoop la. >> larry: well stated. thank you, both, ted rowlands, always atop the scene. we'll be there tomorrow morning. we'll attend the service. we'll do a special show tomorrow night following it. more on the jackson estate news. we'll talk to the attorney for the executors, howard weitzman. that exclusive when we come back.

>> larry: judge decided today who should control michael jackson's assets. the attorney who represents those who will be controlling jackson's estates for now is with us, old friend howard weitman. the court ruled who is granted control of the assets. what happens then to the mother? >> the mother as designated by michael jackson who was never to be the special administrator. that was done by the court because a petition was filed declaring michael did not have a will he died intestate. the reality there was a will. it named john mcclane and john branca as the two executors. and in the court proceeding today the judge affirmed -- >> larry: the children are with her. >> the children are with her. >> larry: why did the executors need a lawyer? >> the executors needed a lawyer because we had to go before a judge. we had to create pleas. you know, law stuff. and make an appeal to the judge

to follow michael's wishes. >> larry: what do you make of the objections raised to the brother by mr. branca being involved? >> well, i'm not sure the objections were raised by the mother. but i think the judge listened to what they had to say. and found the objections were not well taken and appointed the two people that michael wanted. >> larry: executors are supposed to be -- executors are supposed to be objective, right? >> yes. >> larry: you choose executors who are not involved in family so they can make decisions for the best of all, is that true? >> that's the theory. here, michael designated who he wanted. they are objective. they are experienced. john branca was his lawyer since 1980. john branca really was responsible for most of michael's wealth, guiding him. and advising him. john mcclane was a boyhood friend of michael's. >> larry: the son-in-law -- the nephew of ralph branca, the famed former pitcher of the dodgers. who -- what happens august 3rd, at that hearing?

>> august 3rd, we hope and expect the judge will appoint john branca and john mcclane the executors of the estate. >> larry: does katharine have a say at that hearing? >> katherine can have a say at that hearing -- she doesn't necessarily have to but she can appear and she can express her opinions and her desires. >> larry: executors of an estate are usually professionals at it? >> no, i don't think that's necessarily true. i think family members many times are executors, some times, business advisers, lawyers, accountants. in this situation though, michael was clear what he wanted. and he surrounded himself with john branca, joe katz, an attorney who has taken over most of the music work, and john mcclane. michael knew what he wanted. in terms of who would run his business. >> larry: he was a pretty smart guy, right? >> i thought he was very smart. my experience with him, he could be focused. he was intelligent. he was someone who understood what was going on in the legal proceedings. so i always enjoyed a good relationship with michael.

>> larry: the company, the people running the company operating neverland told me he was a rather brilliant businessman. >> he was very astute. he knew what he wanted. what i always liked about michael is he tried to find people who would understand what he wanted and help achieve that goal. and, again, what was good about john branca is that he took what michael wanted and he created it, polished it and made it bigger and larger. >> larry: what can you tell us, if anything, about the assets? what do we have? cash, holdings? >> we think the assets are very great. whether it's in the publishing, whether it's the song, the catalog. some of the other assets, art. but we're doing a complete inventory to find everything there. >> larry: how big is the debt? >> the debt is reported to be around $400 million. not that that's an insignificant sum. the revenues that can be generated from michael jackson's outlets we think will greatly outweigh that debt.

>> larry: in fact there are revenues being generated now, correct? >> that's correct. >> larry: and since he's gone, he's not spending it? >> that's correct. >> larry: income without out-go? >> that's one of the reasons why we were so adamant about hoping the judge would appoint us today so we can begin to capitalize on those opportunities for michael's wishes, to benefit his mother, to benefit his children, and to benefit children's charities. >> larry: in your experience, if there's another will out there that would replace this one, would it have come forward? >> yes. yes. i do not think there's any other will. >> larry: what do you remember most about michael? >> what i remember most about michael is he was a playful person in life. he always seemed to look at the good side of things. again, in my experience, because i dealt with him in legal issues, i always found him focused, intelligent, and directed in what he wanted to do. >> larry: gather, also, you didn't believe the charges against him? >> the molestation charges? >> larry: yeah. >> i never believed them. personally, i didn't believe and

didn't accept them. >> larry: this going to get more and more before it gets less and less? this story? >> i don't think so. >> larry: think it might fade away for a while? >> you mean the estate story? >> larry: the story, the whole story. >> no. i think the michael jackson story goes on for years. i think he truly was one of a kind, literally. he was creative. he was an icon in the literal sense of the word. i don't think there were -- there are any other michael jackson's out there. >> larry: always good seeing you. pleasure talking. howard weitzman, former attorney for michael jackson. what's going on with debbie rowe? michael jackson's former wife and mother of his two children. find out from somebody who knows. to roll over my old 401(k) into a fidelity ira. man: okay, no problem. it's easy to get started. i can help you with the paperwork. um... this green line just appeared on my floor. that's guidance from fidelity. it's the route to your financial goals. could you hold on a second? whatever your destination, fidelity has the people, guidance and investments to help you find your way.

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just grief-stricken, heart-broken. debbie was a woman that cared very deeply for michael and loved him very deeply through -- through all of it. >> larry: why are you the former attorney? >> i moved to the desert in 2006. and it just became too much. but i've been debbie's friend for decades. >> larry: you stay in touch? >> oh, absolutely. >> larry: i want you to look at this. debbie's under a lot of pressure from the press. watch what happened here. look. >> debbie, debbie, are you ready to fight for your kids, debbie? are you ready to fight for your children? >> do not touch me! >> nobody touched you. >> you just did! don't. >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> are you ready to get your butt kicked? don't [ bleep ] me! >> debbie, are you willing to take a cash settlement for the kids? how important are the kids to you, debbie? are you ready to fight for your kids, debbie? do you think she's ready to fight?

>> larry: think in this case we can understand how debbie reacted there. that was rather rude, wasn't it? >> yes. and, you know, debbie is the kind of person, larry, that really avoided the press as much as possible. and i think that's something that really attracted michael to her. that she was a very private, private person. >> larry: do they think she was going to stop and explain -- that's always funny to me. >> no, i'm sure they didn't. i'm sure they just wanted to get a shot of her. >> larry: is she going to pursue custody? >> i believe that she wants the children. i believe that she -- i know that she loves those children very much. i brought you a little present. a little picture. i wanted to show you. this is a picture that one of the children drew for her. i don't know whether it was -- i don't know where i should put this picture. >> larry: right there is fine. you mean one of michael's children drew this? >> yes. >> larry: when? >> i believe this was done about four years ago.

>> larry: of their dad? >> yes. there's other pictures too. but i just thought this one was cute. a nice picture. >> larry: you know california law. michael doesn't -- specifically leaves her out of the will. >> yes, which isn't unusual for divorced people to do that. >> larry: can -- is that -- canny fight on the grounds that california is a -- they're not married so they're not a 50/50 state if they're not married, right? >> they were married at one time and there was already a judgment that disposed of any community property. >> larry: which case does she have? >> she has no case to contest the will in terms of any moneys that were left -- >> larry: what about getting custody of the children? >> that's a different story. that's a different story. because in california, the children's best interest always prevails. she's the biological mother. which is a very strong factor in the law. >> larry: and have a strong chance against a 79-year-old grandmother? would that be the case?

>> yes, i believe so. there's a lot of factors that the court will look towards. if there is a fight. i've always thought perhaps there wouldn't be a fight. >> larry: settle something? >> i think so. >> larry: you going to get involved? >> i hope not. >> larry: why not? come from the desert and help your friend? >> i help my friend in other ways. i support her in anything she does. and, really that tape of her is so not debbie. it just shows me that she really cherishes -- >> larry: stressed? >> yeah, stressed. cherishes her privacy. >> larry: thank you for the picture too. nice to get us up to date. iris finsilver. the former attorney for debbie rowe. celebrity quotient is going to be very high. i ask them flat out. is there anything that the bank can do for you? customers are stressed. so that's why, you know we've adjusted a lot of the different processes we have in place such as rolling out more innovative products to really meet the needs of the customers. we actually move with the economic times.

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>> larry: elizabeth taylor was very close to michael jackson. for that reason, she won't be at the service tomorrow. declined an invitation to take part, saying i just don't think michael would want me to share my grief with millions of others. "extra's" carlos diaz joins us to talk about who will be there tomorrow. and an old friend is with us, tim is ceo of aeg, the company who owns the staples center. we'll check with tim in a moment. who's coming, carlos? >> you got a laundry list of great celebrities. kobe bryant, magic johnson from the sports side of it. jennifer hudson. john mayer. smoky robinson. will all be there. it's a situation where you have people like mariah carey and usher who's based -- they've

covered michael jackson's songs. you see the influence michael jackson's had on these people. to me it's going to be less a downtrodden memorial and more of a concert. kind of a celebration of his life. >> larry: going to be performances? >> exactly. >> larry: scheduled for an hour? >> yes. >> larry: speaking of an hour, tim leweke, the president and ceo of aeg, has done a great job here in three days. when does the circus come in? >> the circus seems to have been here for about three or four days, larry. >> larry: when does one circus go to the other circus? >> actually, we're walking the elephants in this morning, early on tuesday morning, we're walk the elephants down. so ken feld and the guys at the circus were kind enough to give us the building back for one extra day, as long as i made sure i got the elephants in safe storage for the afternoon. >> larry: all right. what do you expect tomorrow? the ticket allocations, how are they going? >> everything is great.

in fact, it's amazing. we got everybody in. we extended -- the dodgers have been fantastic so we extended the drop-off for a couple of hours because people are flying in. i just met a couple who came in from london. that came in all sweaty because they rushed from the airport. so we are going to get everybody their tickets. we're going to have an unbelievable ceremony and celebration tomorrow. i saw some of the rehearsals starting up this afternoon. i really compliment the family on the way they've done this. this will not be something where we all mourn. i think it will be an opportunity for us to celebrate one of the great unique lives in the history of our industry and certainly in the history of music. >> larry: carlos is going to show us one of the tickets, his ticket. >> this is the -- it's really great what they did. they have the tickets right here. then you also have to have a wrist band that you also have to have to get into the event, the gold wrist band gets you in. the blue wrist band is for media. they're being very, very thorough. >> larry: i want to understand something.

i know i'm invited. i don't know why i was invited. frankly, proud to be invited, look forward to going. i don't have a wrist band. they just said, you need this ticket. >> i think you'll be fine, larry. >> larry: i don't have a wrist band. >> we'll get you a wrist band. that's the thing, it's not just the ticket. >> let's talk to tim. tim, can we get larry in, will that be okay? >> larry is the wrist band of the world. i think we know who he is. >> larry: hey, tim, what about the -- the police are saying please don't come if you don't have tickets. are you a little concerned about what might happen outside staples center? >> not at all. the lapd has done a great job. by the way, we're estimating the pool feed will be seen by almost 1 billion people worldwide so this show will be better seen at home unless you have a ticket and wrist band and we're encouraging everybody to stay at home because the show, truly remarkable, produced by ken ehrlich and kenny ortega. i think people will be surprised about the upbeat note this program will set tomorrow.

about michael's life. >> larry: tim -- i mean, carlos, do you have any idea why people -- are you fearful you're going to have 1 million people trying to go downtown? >> that's something i think that the lapd's done a great job of saying please don't come down. these fans -- they're rabid. it's unbelievable. >> larry: will it work? >> it's unbelievable. michael jackson fans are like no other fans in the world. >> larry: they're going to come down -- >> they're creating a perimeter -- >> larry: but they're not going t see the show. >> exactly. and that's the thing. they need to know they cannot get anywhere near the staples center without a wristband and a ticket. i think the point's been made perfectly clear. but if you really -- if you're a fan, the place to be tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. is the forest lawn cemetery because if there's some kind of -- there will be some kind of to-do there. if you want to see michael's family, you'll see them there. >> larry: one would think. see it on cnn. i mean watch -- turn on the tv. >> i'm watching on cnn.

>> people talk about the fact when you go to a sporting event, you see a better show on tv, you know? >> larry: absolutely. thank you, both, very much. carlos diaz, tim liewiki. we'll see you both tomorrow. >> see you. >> larry: donald trump knew michael jackson. he'll john us next with the business spin on the pop star's passing next. the desk where kevin took advantage of the free internet... and where he grabbed a free hot breakfast to start his morning. so where's kevin? he's out treating his customers to lunch with the money he didn't spend back at his hotel. spacious rooms. free breakfast. free internet. and now when kevin stays three times, he gets a free $50 cash card. and so can you. choice hotels are everywhere, with the best value anywhere.

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>> larry: joining us now on the phone, donald trump, old friend,

real estate mogul, star of "celebrity apprentice." how well did you know michael? >> well, larry, as you know, i knew him very well. he was a great guy. he was actually a very smart business man. he was somebody that was very special. he lived in trump tower for an extended period of time in new york, right next to me actually. so i got to know him very well. he would go down to palm beach a lot. in fact, that's where he was with lisa marie presley when it first came out. and he was there for a very long period of time. but he would go down often. >> larry: when was the last time you spoke with him? >> probably a year ago. michael was a much different guy in the last seven years. maybe ten years than he was -- i always view it as two michael jacksons. >> larry: how do you mean? >> well, you had michael from let ae say up to around the age of 35 and that was somebody -- the greatest entertainer i've ever seen. and then you had the later version of michael, who was much more reticent. he was much shyer. i mean, he was just a little bit of a different guy.

and i really knew both michaels. he was a terrific guy. he was a wonderful guy. but he lost a certain amount of confidence in the last ten years. i mean, he went through a lot. including some very, very bad doctors. >> larry: what about the business aspect of this? is he going to be worth a lot more gone than here? >> well, he's going to be worth a lot of money. he's got all of his albums are number one now. i mean he is -- probably they've never seen anything like it. i guess the debt will be paid off pretty quickly. he really was. he was a great businessman. and i talked to him -- he'd come into my apartment, we'd talk a lot about business. as an example, he met with paul mccartney. paul mccartney was telling him -- and this is a well-known story. michael told it to me. paul mccartney mentioned he was going to try to buy back the other half of the beatles music. michael then went out and bought it. you could say it's not very nice. i've heard paul has always been very angry at michael for doing that. perhaps paul shouldn't have

mentioned it. perhaps that's just business and the way it is. but he really was a very, very good businessman. very smart guy. >> larry: you're a sharp realtor guy and you know southern california. i was up at neverland. we did a whole show from there thursday. i never saw a property as beautiful as that. 3,000 acres. what would you do with it? >> i'm not sure exactly who owns it. a very good friend of mine, tom barrick, is very much involved -- >> larry: he was there. their company apparently pretty much owns it. >> yeah, tom is a brilliant guy. wonderful friend. and he was actually somebody who helped michael jackson a lot over the last couple of years. but i think tom has that. i'm just not sure what you can do from a zoning standpoint. >> larry: could you envision a graceland? >> well, i could, but it's a difficult area. you have to go through this town. as you know, they drove him crazy. you know, the interesting thing is i've known michael from many different standpoints. and michael would spend a lot of time with my kids. i have beautiful kids. and at the time, the kids were

very young. michael would come, play with the kids, he just loved children. he was not a child molester. and i am certain of that. he loved children. he'd play with my son eric and my son donald. and he'd just play with them forever. he loved children. he was not a child molester. you know that whole final saga of neverland and the police and what they did was, i think, a very, very -- a very, very bad part of michael's life. >> larry: are you coming out for the service? >> they invited me today and they've called me so many times it i'd love to do it. i just won't be able to be there. i'd love to be there. i'd love to be with the family. but i just won the be able to be there. >> larry: what do you make of this whole thing, this billions of people going to watch this on television? >> well he was a unique guy, you know? i first met him years ago when he did a concert in madison square garden. and i was backstage.

and i just spoke to him for a little while. and you know he was sort of low key. even in those days, and that was the "thriller" days when he had great, great success. it was amazing. and i would talk to him and i would say, there's no way this guy is going out to that stage to perform. then you'd see him moonwalk across the stage and the place would go crazy. you know, i've had every entertainer working for me more or less. and i've just -- sort of know them all. i knew pavarotti, i knew all the great entertainers. i think the greatest entertainer that i've ever seen was michael jackson. there has never been anyone like him. i guess elvis was like him and the beatles. there were a few every generation. >> larry: sinatra. >> sinatra was great. but, there are very few. these people you can count them on their hands. michael was one of them. just a great guy. he took tremendous -- i mean, he's just had tremendous -- really difficult last ten years. his last ten years, he's been living in hell. >> larry: donald, thanks so much for sharing these moments with us.

>> thank you very much, larry. >> larry: donald trump. miko brando, mark geragos, all have something to say about this and they're next. you have questions. who can give you the financial advice you need? where will you find the stability and resources to keep you ahead of this rapidly evolving world? these are tough questions. that's why we brought together two of the most powerful names in the industry. introducing morgan stanley smith barney. here to rethink wealth management. here to answer... your questions. morgan stanley smith barney. a new wealth management firm with over 130 years of experience.

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forest lawn. apparently, the reports are that many police cars are on their way up to forest lawn. we welcome mark geragos, the former attorney for michael jackson. robin freeman, senior correspondent for 411.com. and mikko brando, who's been a kind of co-host with us on all of these shows. friend, longtime employee, best man at his wedding. was, michael jackson. mikko is the son of the great marlon brando. what's happening tomorrow at forest lawn? >> as far as i know, they were supposed to all meet there tomorrow morning at forest lawn, the family. but no confirmed -- >> larry: is there a funeral? >> that's a $10,000 question, isn't it? >> larry: where's the body? >> wish i knew. >> larry: you don't know? >> no. >> larry: as close a friend as you were -- if there's no body, no funeral, what are they going to do at forest lawn? >> if they're going to do something there at all. >> larry: you're not even sure they're going to forest lawn? >> correct. >> larry: why are all the police cars going? what do you know, roger? you always know something. >> well, i thought maybe they were doing something today.

sort of an end-run around the press and the public, which would be a smart thing to do. and they may have actually -- may have actually happened already today. these people need to grieve in private a little bit. so i think it's -- it's more than likely it's happened today. there's something going on today. >> larry: all those police are there for nothing? >> no, i think it's happening now -- or it's happening now. and it would be hard to do -- i mean, they may be gathering at 8:00 tomorrow morning. but at 10:00, they've got to be at the staples center so it's tough to do that. >> larry: do you think the public will listen to the police begging them not to come tomorrow if they don't have tickets? >> i couldn't believe, the guy was nice that was here before -- to say if you want to go see something you should go to the cemetery tomorrow seemed ridiculous. let these people alone. >> larry: if you don't have a ticket, what are you going to do at staples? >> at staples, they're just going to be -- you know, mark started the trial. miko was there all the time. i was at the santa marita trial. for five months.

>> larry: i was there. >> you were there. obviously. the fans would come, five or six deep. >> larry: but -- >> they rarely saw him. they rarely heard anything from him. they were just there. and they were at neverland every day. >> i think the fans just want to be around michael. >> larry: even if they're around the building? >> even if they're around the building. they're fans. >> larry: mark what do you -- what's your legal thought? >> my office is five blocks away from there, right smack dab on figaroa. i will predict that it's going to be a zoo tomorrow. not just because they're doing the elephant walk down figaroa at 3:30 in the morning. it is -- there is already throngs of people down there in front of our office today walking down figaroa. >> larry: they'll be created -- creating complications right? >> they're trying to block it off right there at eighth and fig, about three or four blocks away. they've set up a perimeter. but i don't think there's anyway they're going to be able to do it. >> larry: what, show a ticket to the cop? >> show the ticket to the cop to get past but that's never going to work. because -- i think they grossly underestimate the numbers of people that will be down there.

>> larry: do you think -- certainly won't start at 10:00 a.m. >> larry: do you think we might well have, frankly, a calamity? >> i think it will be the largest gathering i think in los angeles. anywhere -- >> larry: could that be a calamity? >> no it will be great. bill bradley is a great guy. it's going to be a -- it's going to be fine. >> larry: he's a great police chief. how do you plan for something that's never happened? >> it's going to be orderly. they're not going to be out of -- there will be people dressed as michael jackson. they're going to be moonwalking. they're going to be -- you'll be able to see the whole thing. >> i don't think it's a situation where people are going to be fired up to do damage, property crimes or anything like that. i think people want to pay their respects. they want to be part of it. i mean, the idea that there was over 1.5 million hits for roughly 11,000 seats, tells you the level of interest. when you combine that with the fact that they're announcing today what the guest list is, it's a happening. you can't blame people for wanting to be there. >> larry: you would think if you want to see it, you would see it on cnn or other outlets. >> same reason, you go to the

rose bowl or super bowl and you see people hang out tailgating and never get inside the super bowl. >> larry: not 1 million of them. >> it's not michael jackson. >> exactly. the super bowl happens every year. >> larry: boy, we'll be right back with more. taking its rightful place in a long line of amazing performance machines. this is the new e-coupe. this is mercedes-benz. but we missed the first half trying to download the docs. which turned out to be the old-new docs... rather than the new-new docs. then bob dialed in from home and his... dog starts barking.

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the clip itself has received millions -- let me say that again, larry, millions of hits on the web. not only has the video itself been viewed millions of times, but it is the story of it is being covered now internationally on tv. we're going to show you a clip. this is from united kingdom's itn. >> fans are convinced the film captured during cnn program "inside neverland" showed michael jackson's ghost. >> this is one of the -- it appears to show the silhouette of a man crossing the corridor left to right before disappearing into the wall. the cnn footage was shot during a tour of jackson's neverland home a week after the 50-year-old died. although no one appeared to notice it at the time. it adds another layer to the

mystery surrounding the singer who's perhaps seeking to offer a few more thrills even after his death. >> now, larry, we posted this video on our blog, cnn.com/larry king. as always, look for that blog link and you'll be directed right to the video. you can take a closer look at it. we're going to show you video again as shot from the show that we did the other day. what you're looking at in this video is cnn correspondent ted rowlands touring michael jackson's bedroom at neverland ranch. in the distance, when the camera aims down a hallway into the foyer and the dining room further in the distance, you'll see a shadowy figure move across the back wall. larry, you were in the house. i was in the mansion. several other staffers were in the mansion. none of us, we can report, experienced, sensed, felt, saw, any ghostly figures at all within neverland mansion, ranch, anywhere on the property. in fact, what you see in this

viral video making its way around the web is a shadow from either one of the people working in the house or from another network crew walking in front of a lighting fixture that had been set up earlier. we tell you again, the video itself is on cnn.com/larry king. it's on our blog. go to the blog. you can see the video for yourself. larry. >> larry: thanks, david. we left miko out of that. miko was conducting the tour. did you see anything? >> i do now, after seeing the playback. i wish it was him. would be great. >> larry: back when "larry king live" returns. (announcer) we speak car.

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>> larry: want to ask mark geragos about debbie rowe. her former attorney says she might have a claim for the

children. here's how she was treated by on-the-street reporters. watch. >> are you ready to fight for your kids, debbie? are you ready to fight for your children? are you ready to fight for your children? >> do not touch me! >> nobody touched you. >> you just did! don't! >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> are you ready to get your butt kicked? >> are you willing to take a cash settlement for the kids? >> larry: that's the tease. we get mark geragos reaction. whether she had a shot. first, on the roof, anderson cooper with a preview of tonight's "a.c. 360." what's tonight, anderson? >> well, larry, like you were covering the latest on michael jackson. >> on the eve of michael jackson's star-studded memorial tribute, a judge giving control xu jack -- of jackson's estate. xu the executors. also preparation for tomorrow's memorial. police believed they stop a serial killer before he could kill again.

suspect killed in a shoot-out with police. in south carolina where a town is still recovering. sarah palin, the fallout. from her bombshell announcement she is stepping down. people close to palin say they picked the july 4th weekend by design, her way to declare her independence from politics as usual. we have the raw politics on that tonight. i'll talk to "vanity fair's" todd purham. who spoke to the mccain campaign insiders about palin. that's ahead, larry on "360." >> larry: good get. todd purham. in "vanity fair." at the top of the hour. mark, does she have a shot at the children knowing california law? >> california law, she's got the presumption because she's the biological mother. she's got a very good lawyer in eric george who will advise her as to whether or not she wants to. that having been said, when i represented michael during the child protective services investigation which turned out to be unfounded back a number of years ago, i can tell you that those kids love and -- at least the older two, who i spent a lot of time with, love and adore

katherine. had a real bond with grace who has been around for years. >> larry: the nanny. >> well, i call her a caregiver. she's a lot more than a nanny. if grace and katherine are involved, that's where those kids belong in my opinion. >> larry: if you were a judge, that's what you'd do? >> that having been said, she does have as the biological mother, you get a presumption. but it's obviously a presumption that can be rebutted. >> larry: would you give debbie rowe visitation? >> i don't think that there's any judge who would not give her visitation. >> larry: roger? >> first of all that tape is so unfortunate. because, i've known debbie for a long time. >> it's unfair? >> she is a terrific person. very strong willed. she doesn't take anything from any one. she really said. we said this last week. when i tacked to her last week. she said initially. she stuck with this. she wanted to wait until after the funeral. until she did anything. she didn't want to scare the kids. she is very fond of katherine jackson. i think there will be somekind of deal they come up with, something they come up with not

a court thing. >> larry: did michael ever talk about her much? >> i think she is a strong person. i mean, he obviously, yeah, liked her. and i think she is a strong person. i think if she wants the kids, she'll ask for them. but right now i think they're in good hand with michael's mother and grace. they're doing a good job with the kids. so we'll see what happens later. >> larry: you think she should have the right to see them, though? >> sure if she wants. absolutely. they're her kids. >> larry: more with our guests after the break. ng new tums dual action. this tums goes to work in seconds and lasts for hours. all day or night. new tums dual action. bring it on.

>> larry: before we wind things up with our panel, let's get one

more check with ted rolland at staples on the eve of the memorial. ted, what's happening? >> reporter: the folks on figaroa, there are a lot of them. we showed you the mural people were signing. this is the line to go and sign that mural. there are literally hundreds of people gathered. a lot of folks here -- most of them don't have tickets. in fact, the vast majority don't have tickets. a lot of them came from somewhere else like darcella and christina, they came from new jersey. why come all this way? you don't have a ticket to the show? >> i'm a michael jackson fan since 1969 since they debuted on the "ed sullivan show." >> reporter: you just got up, left new jersey, came out to l.a. someone might be out there saying, those guys are a little whacko for doing this. what is your connection to michael jackson? why come out? >> to me, michael jackson means music. there wouldn't be top 40, pop, no anything without michael jackson. so i had to be here. >> reporter: perfect. thank you, ladies.

larry, two stories of very many out here in line to sign the mural outside the staples center. of course where the public memorial takes place tomorrow. >> larry: ted rowlands, thanks. madonna paid tribute to michael jackson at her concert in london over the weekend with an impersonator doing michael jackson's moves to "billy jean." >> all right, people, let's give it up to one of the greatest artists the world has ever known. michael jackson! long live the king! ♪ >> larry: your background, opinion and logic. what is going to happen tomorrow, mark? >> i think you are just seeing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the number of people that are going to be down there. i have a sneaking suspicion even with the area blocked off you are going to have a crowd that

exceeds what anyone can imagine? >> larry: it won't happen but what if it rains? they'll still come? >> it never rains. >> larry: what do you think is going to happen? >> it is going to be a great show. it is going to be a great tribute to michael. his brother, jermaine is going to sing -- yes, he is supposed to sing charlie chaplain's "smile." which i think will bring the whole place down. >> larry: one of the greatest songs ever written. mariah carey, jennifer hudson, stevie wonder, smokey robinson. you will see a lot of motown people there. it is going to be a celebration of michael. >> larry: what is the time of the program? >> it is supposed to start at 10:00 a.m. but -- you know, it will start some time tomorrow morning. >> larry: how long will the show run? miko, what do you know? >> 1:15, is what i heard last. knowing how big the show is going to be it is going to probably go on. >> kenny ehrlich is doing it who does the grammy awards. that's all life. a lot of unpredictable things happen.

he is a great producer. he is going to put on a great tv show for the world. >> larry: is someone going to be the host, miko? is some one going to come on stage and produce everybody? >> i think there are different segments of the show. there are different people that are introduced the artist and the guest speakers. yes. >> al sharpton is speaking. >> al sharpton. >> i think jesse jackson is speaking. >> larry: did you watch any of the rehearsal? today? >> yes, i did. i watched a little bit this afternoon. i'm going back afterwards, after your show to look at the rest. >> larry: who did you see today? >> the brothers were up there rehearsing. they walked to the stage. went to their -- yeah. they're rehearsing. >> larry: going to be difficult for them, isn't it? >> yeah. i think so. of course it will be. >> larry: when was the last -- have they sung together, it's been a long time? >> the last time they sung was at michael's concert in new york. >> september, 2001. >> september 10th. >> larry: the day before 9/11? >> yeah. the day before 9/11. at madison square garden. >> were you there? >> yes, i was. >> were you part of the escape. >> i was there with my father. >> right, his father came on

stage during the show. it was terrific. >> september 11 michael got a bus. and drove back across the country. he wouldn't fly. >> no one would fly. >> he got a big bus. were you on the bus? >> i stayed back. >> larry: mark, how long are the legal entanglements going to go on? >> it is going to be a while. i don't know about the child custody but clearly the estate and the wrangling over the estate, it is not going to be a simple task. it will die down. >> larry: what can you tell us about ralph branca's nephew? >> branca is a very accomplish ed entertainment lawyer. he's responsible for the -- putting together the deal for the sony catalog. >> the beatles catalog. >> he administered the my jack catalog. >> larry: a sharp guy? >> he is a sharp guy. >> he is devoted to michael. he has always been devoted to michael jackson. michael was