>> you miss being in the studio. >> i have. "larry king live" starts right now. >> larry: tonight, a prime time exclusive. michael jackson's doctor breaks his silence, answering the questions everyone wants answered. is dr. arnie klein the father of the pop star's children? and what does he have to say about drugs? his former employee debbie rowe and the singer's every-changing face. and then the bombshells that dropped today. shocking details about michael's body at the time of his death. dr. arnie klein on the friendship of almost 25 years. and the loss that has left him devastated next on "larry king live."

>> larry: good evening. the saga the death of michael jackson continues. and we welcome a very special guest tonight. dr. arnie klein who is called the dermatologist to the stars, easily the best known dermatologist in southern california, maybe elsewhere. he's michael jackson's long-term dermatologist, friend and professor of medicine and dermatology at ucla. doctor, how did you first meet michael? >> i met michael because somebody brought him into my office. they walked into the room with michael. i took one look at him and i said, you have lupus -- this is a long word. >> lupus? >> yeah, a butterfly rash and severe crusting on the portion of his scalp. i'm also very visual. i'm a person that would not look at the smile of mona lisa, i would look at the lips.

>> larry: was he there because of that condition? >> he was there because a very close friend told him to come see me. he had severe acne. >> larry: oh, he did? >> he did. many people made fun of him. many people remember him trying to clean it off. it hurt him very much. he was extremely sensitive to pain. he walked to my office. had several things wrong with his skin. i said, you have thick crusting of your scalp and hair loss. he said, how do you know this? it's the natural course of lupus. i then did a biopsy. i diagnosed lupus and our relationship went from there. >> larry: grew from there. fast forward. you saw him the monday before he died? >> absolutely, yes, sir. >> larry: what was the purpose of the visit. >> i was rebuilding his face. he had severe acne scarring. he had scarring from cosmetic surgery. my patients are my treasures and

i was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. contrary to what people said he could not take off his nose, his nose was attached. it looked too small. i was trying to get him ready to do the concert because the way he looked, in his face, he wanted to be absolutely as perfect as it could be. >> larry: did he consult you when he was doing his plastic surgery? >> no. i mean, i came on to the scene long after he had begun plastic surgery. in fact, what i wanted to do was stop it, because i felt that we were losing body parts in some situations. >> larry: do you know why, he was such a gooding looking young man, why he even started with plastic surgery? >> i don't know. people made fun of, family members, made fun of the size of his nose. he's very sensitive to that. so then he started doing cosmetic surgery. remember totti fields. she lost her leg. >> larry: we knew her well. >> if you want it done, there's

someone who will do it. >> larry: correct. how do you find the right one? i'll get to that in a while. how would you describe michael's medical, physical condition on that monday? >> he was dancing in the office so it was hard to say. he was in good physical condition. he was dancing for my patients. he was very mentally aware when i saw him. he was in a very good mood. was very happy. >> larry: looked good? >> he was a very, very happy mood. >> larry: therefore, you had to be shocked when he died. >> i remember when i found out. i sat at my desk for about five hours. i couldn't move. i was very close to him. not just because he's michael jackson, probably the most talented performer of our age, i mean, when i lose anyone that i know, i go -- having lost my brother and father in medical school, i don't do well with death. >> larry: a doctor should feel that way, right? >> i've taken care of many good friends. i have to tell you one thing, i give my life to my work. i have nothing else. >> larry: was michael in any

kind of pain when you saw him? >> none whatsoever. >> larry: there are reports, doctor, his body was riddled with needle marks when he died. did you see any evidence of needle marks? >> i didn't examine his entire body. >> larry: had you seen any in prior exams? >> no, i never saw needle marks on his body. i never saw them that i could tell you. i didn't see a riddling of anything. people said, described it like there were holes in him. there weren't anything things like that. >> larry: people said he looked emaciated. >> i have worked with dancers. he was very thin. making sure he was eating and exercise. some dance eers will overdance get their weight down. >> larry: would you call him a good patient? >> i thought he was a great patient. i don't have any bad patients.

>> larry: well some patients are not as cooperative as others? >> absolutely. >> larry: what about pain-killing medication, did you describe any? >> i used some sedatives when he had medical procedures that were immense. don't forget, he had the burn when he was burned on the pepsi commercial. and severe hair loss when he contracted lupus also. when you have to fix these areas you have to sedate it. when you took the pills i gave him in the last year at once, it wouldn't do anything to you. >> larry: what was the strongest medication you gave him? >> i occasionally gave him demerol to sedate him. that was about the strongest medicine i've ever used. >> larry: you've worked with addicts, have you not? >> i wrote a book on heroin addiction. you have all of these drugs now that they're being prescribed the pills, oxycontin, available at high school campuses, i think we have to do something about

the readily availability of these drugs. >> larry: we'll get to that. did michael have an addiction that you were aware of? >> michael at one time had an addiction. he went to england and withdrew that addiction in a secure setting where he went off drugs altogether. what i told michael when i met him in his present situation when i was seeing him, that i had to keep reducing the dosage that he was on. he came to me with a huge tolerance level. when you take drugs repeatedly, unless you have something like your kidneys don't work, you may require a larger dose than normal. the other thing that you have to remember, when using certain drugs you have active intermediate, what these are, it takes a long time for the body to have adjustment. there are certain drugs like diprivan -- >> larry: i need to get a break. we'll come back. >> sure. >> larry: i want to talk about diprivan. did dr. klein father any children? he's not exactly denying or admitting. that's later. next, diprivan. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with dr. arnie klein. small world. dr. klein went to the same high school as my son andy, north miami high. where steve carlton pitched. he's in the hall of fame and you're in the dematology hall of fame. >> diprivan. >> larry: i had cataract surgery. they knock you out for a little while, you wake up and you're fine.

they gave me diprivan. it's used by anesthesiologists. >> right, it's a short-acting drug. it's metabolized very quickly. and goes from the body very quickly. >> larry: what would it be doing in someone's house? >> i have no idea. that doesn't make sense to me. it's like anything, the danger of all of these substances are available that people can get because the very rich and very poor, the rich and the famous can buy anything they want. >> larry: how would you buy diprivan? >> you can get it through an anesthesiologist. >> larry: he'd have to come to your house. would you do it in your house? >> no, not unless you had an anesthesiologist administer it to you. there's certain things that you have to not do. the one thing you have to know is what you're doing with medication. medicine is not something casual. i developed certain things in my life. not a lot. besides using botox on certain enjektible fillers. that's my life. you see people giving botox parties and things like this. this makes no sense.

it's medicine. >> larry: i won't talk about that. did michael tell you he used diprivan? >> i knew at one point that he was using diprivan when he was on tour in germany, he was using it to go to sleep at night. i told him he was absolutely insane. i said you have to quit it. this drug, you can't repeatedly take. what happens with narcotics, you build a tolerance to them. >> larry: how could a reasonable anesthesiologist give that to someone other than prior to surgery? >> because, i have to tell you, there are certain people in this world who are not reasonable. you know, integrity in medicine -- >> larry: can you lose a license if you were giving it for other than -- >> anesthesiology? people have used it for everything -- let's not get -- don't get me into the topic of integrity of medicine now because i mean that's what's happening in the fda and all the recommendations with drugs. >> larry: are you surprised that diprivan was found in his home, supposedly? >> i'm very shocked by it. i have to tell you it's not

something that would be unheard of because i told him this drug was very dangerous to use on a regular basis. >> larry: what did he say when you told him? >> he listened to me. you can't be absolutely sure that you're enforcing it. i spent half a year living with heroin addicts and writing a book about my experience. that's when i was in medical school. i went to england after the death of my father and brother. what i learned from experience is that you couldn't really ever be assured that you're getting honest information from someone who's an addict. >> larry: because they lie. >> because they lie. >> larry: did you ever see any iv type equipment in his house? >> never. >> larry: did you ever see diprivan in his home? >> no. >> larry: did you ever see it anywhere? >> no. and i also told him specifically the dangers of diprivan. the dangers of it being used by someone who was not an anesthesiologist. >> larry: did he have an insomnia problem? >> not that i knew of except once we were on tour with him,

we were in hawaii. he couldn't get to sleep. the whole office went to sleep with him. i never knew he had a problem with sleep until this problem with sleep at that time. i did know, certainly, under local anesthesia. this is not something that we discussed repeatedly. i was shocked. he assured me he'd stop. >> larry: and he never asked you to administer it? >> no. >> larry: and you wouldn't, i guess? >> that's not what i do. i'm a doctor. a dermatologist. >> larry: there are at least five doctors reportedly under investigation. have you been contacted by any authorities? >> the only thing i've done, i turned my records over to the medical examiner. i've not been contacted. >> larry: nothing in regards to this? >> no. >> larry: do you know anything about these doctors, supposedly? >> i know there are supposed doctors that went on tour with him. i know there were a few doctors. i don't remember their names. i think they're going to review the records and go over specifically what happened. but you have to go back historically.

what happened to kanye west's mom? his mother, she died during surgery. how many people really have this problem when they die from surgery? whatever the reason is, whether or not they have liposuction. >> larry: are there a lot of doctors practicing who shouldn't? >> i don't know. >> larry: would you guess? >> i would say there's a large number of people. i don't think it's huge. i'd say a significant number of doctors, you really have to wonder what they're doing. because a lot of people have come into my field, which is basicalically aesthetic, because that is the only place they belong for untold reasons. >> larry: i'll ask you about michael and his looks when we come back. active crystals dissolve quickly on your tongue. with an extra pain relieving booster, it's ready to go to work faster than caplets or tablets. it's a whole new way from bayer to dissolve pain...

fast. new bayer quick release crystals. in a bold citrus taste. expect relief fast. >> larry: we're back with the famed dermatologist dr. arnie klein in a nighttime, prime time exclusive on "larry king live." what is vitiligo? >> it's a loss of pigment cells. for every 36 normal cells in your body, you have one pigment

cell pumping pigment into them. unfortunately, it's an auto immune disease. and lupus is an autoimmune disease. you make antibodies against your pigment cells. >> larry: and michael had it? >> absolutely. >> larry: do black people have it more than white people? >> no, it's just more visible on black people. because they have the dark skin. the other thing is, it certainly occurs with a family history. i believe one of michael's relatives in fact had vitiligo. >> larry: how bad was his? >> his was bad because he began to get a speckled look over his body. >> larry: all over his body? >> all over his body, on his face, significantly on his hands, which is very difficult to treat. >> larry: let's clear up something. he was not someone desirous of being white? >> no. michael was black. was very proud of his black heritage. he changed the world for black people. >> larry: how do you treat vitiligo? >> there's certain treatments.

you have one choice of ultraviolet light treatments that you can use certain drugs to try to make the white spots turn dark. or his became so severe, that the easier way is to use certain creams that will make the dark spots turn light. >> larry: so the decision was, he would go light? >> that's ultimately what the decision had to be because there was too much vitiligo to deal with. >> larry: otherwise, he would have looked ridiculous? >> he would have to wear heavy, heavy makeup on stage which would be ridiculous. he couldn't go out in public without looking terribly peculiar. >> larry: more with dr. arnie klein after this.

>> larry: we're back with dr. arnie klein. how did you treat the vitiligo? >> well you basically use cream that would even out the same color, and we destroyed the remaining pigment cells.

>> larry: and did his color change a lot over the years? >> no, because once we got more uniform, it remained stable. but you still had to treat it once in a while. and he had to be extraordinary careful with sun exposure. that's why he had the umbrellas all the time. >> larry: so when you have vitiligo, you have it all your life? >> usually. almost uniformly. you just don't have a little bit of it. it's most disconcerting, not in white people but black people. you begin to look like a leopard. >> larry: did he have blotches? >> he had blotches. he was very, very devoted to treating it. he wanted to look well for one group of people, his fans. he wanted to embrace and love his fans, more than any performer i'd ever known. >> larry: did he have hair? >> he had lost a great deal of it. >> larry: with the pepsi fire? >> yeah, but then what happened was he used tissue expanders in

his scalp which are balloons that blow up the scalp and what they do, they try to cut out the scar. because he had lupus, every time they would do it, the bald spot would keep enlarging. he went through a lot of painful procedures with these tissue expanders until i put a stop it it. i said, no more tissue expanders. he had to wear a hat all the time. it was painful for him. >> larry: without the hat, what would he look like? >> a big raised ball on top of his head from the expand of tissue that was cut out. you get too much strek back with the scar. >> larry: did you see him one time without his hat? >> of course, i did. he would have a scratch in the back of the scar. the scar would get worse. i had to put a stop to it. i told michael, we have to stop this. that's when i fired this plastic surgeon altogether. i said i can't deal with this anymore. we're going to deal with me as your doctor or you're going to have to find another doctor if you're going to work with him. >> larry: what you can tell me about the changing face?

>> well, i didn't know a whole lot about the changing face. i told you when i met him, he had done a decent amount of surgery by then. >> larry: was it done poorly? >> well, it was not done poorly. i think there's a time -- the magic is not knowing when to begin. the secret is knowing when to end it. i think he believed his face was a work of art, which is fine with me. but i think at one point i wanted to stop the doctor from continuing it. it wasn't michael, i think, that wanted all of these things. it was the surgeon that kept doing it. so i got rid of the surgeon. >> larry: you got him to do it? >> no, he did some of it himself. the surgeon did not know when to stop doing it. the judgment call was -- >> larry: did you ever say to michael, we're going too far? >> i stopped him from going to the surgeon. i said this isn't working anymore. you have to stop it. what i spent the last part of the year doing was rebuilding a lot of things that i thought were done poorly.

to him, his faces with a work of art. you want to talk about andy warhol's work of art, there are women and men who do, they implant things under their skins. >> larry: there are plastic surgeon addicts, right? >> yes, it's a disorder where you don't like the way you look, which represents 1 % of patients i've seen. >> larry: you may be beautiful but look in the mirror and not think you're beautiful. do doctors take advantage of that? >> i don't take advantage of it. >> larry: do some doctors? >> i believe some doctors do. just go around and look at the lips that you see around this city. when you go out for dinner, you see these women that create these lips. when i invented lip augmentation in 1984, i had no idea what i was doing. when i see these people walking around with lips that look more like something that belongs below the waist -- >> larry: they look ridiculous.

>> it's ridiculous. you have to restore the face. >> larry: why did he wear the mask? >> he wore the mask because it sort of became like the white glove. >> larry: it was a gimmick. >> a gimmick. he had no reason other than wearing the mask. >> larry: he also had the children wear a mask? >> no, he didn't have them. that goes to the brashear interview. >> larry: the what? >> the martin brashear interview. he got paid $200,000 for that interview. uri geller. in that interview, michael was assured that he painted him as a normal person. well, he painted him as a strange person. i think in that interview they had, the kids walking down the street with masks on. the only time with masks -- they used to come to my house. they loved my dogs. i used to go to their house. i've never seen the children wear those strange masks he had

them walking down the street with, ever. >> larry: when we come back, i want to talk about the nose. i want some of the things you're angry about and want changed. >> okay. >> larry: and what was riz relationship with other members of the family? was there a relationship. and coming up, with the dr. kennedy issue and how he's handling all the beleaguers he's getting with all of this. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with the famed dermatologist. the subject is michael jackson. the changes to his nose. why did he do that? and is it true that he wanted to look like peter pan? >> i don't think he wanted to look like peter pan. i didn't see him implanting wings on the back of his back. >> larry: what about the nose? >> the nose was a very special thing. because his father and his

brothers, supposedly, what i read, made fun of his nose all the time. he was sensitive about his nose. >> larry: what was wrong with his nose? >> i didn't originally think there was anything wrong with his nose. i thought he had a nice nose. it was never able to come off his body. but it got to the point where it didn't look natural. >> larry: now, you helped him rebuild it? >> yes. >> larry: how? >> i used fillers and hydronic acids. i'm telling, he was beginning to look like the nose was normal again. it was total collapse of the cartilage. >> larry: in the last photos we've seen, his nose has been built up, right, he's looking better? >> yes. >> larry: was he still working at that?

>> no, because i think we got to the point where he was very happy with the way he looked. filled in the cheeks a little bit. what i do with an individual patient is what i do. and what i do is just restoration work. i don't think people should look like, again, anything that's been altered. >> larry: you're not a plastic surgeon, so are you extending yourself when you do things like this? >> no, i invented injectable aesthetics. for better or worse, it's what i've been doing since 1979. i'm not extending myself. yes, plastic surgeons invented everything including the wheel. >> larry: are you on the war about injectables? >> the fda, they've gotten it approved without knowing what happens once they're injected under the skin. when you inject something synthetic under your skin, whether plexiglas, your body will react against it. you'll get a foreign body reaction. >> larry: i thought the fda is tough on drugs?

>> no. the fda is run more or less by the drug companies. when you look at toxins now. if you read the faa warning, the warning in canada is the patients, they're given that. the warning in germany also. but the warnings here are only to the doctors who don't know what they're doing to begin with. what doctor is injecting a toxin. i think what we have to adequately do is teach doctors how to do it. how can you trust the status? some of the status has been altered. i'm working with a congressman and with a member of the house of representatives, as well as the fbi and justice department to change this from happening. i think the most important thing is patients. >> larry: is it ignorance or do the doctors know they're doing wrong? >> doctors are ignorant because you can't believe everything you

read. that's what's happening in medical literature. it's turned into reading a mystery novel. pain medication -- >> larry: you have a lot of clout, don't you? >> i don't have much clout, but i know people who have clout. >> larry: keep us posted on the war. >> i will. >> larry: was michael happy with the way he looked? >> absolutely. michael, they painted him as a very sad creature like charlie chaplain or something. >> larry: he loved chaplain. >> we once went to disneyland. it was disneyland paris. at night he brought michael chapman. he took a cane and starts imitating the way michael chaplain walks. every time michael would turn around, michael jackson would hide the cane. he's very funny like that. the kids wanted to meet princess laya. that's all they wanted. he was a person who was both the father and he loved them here dearly.

>> larry: we want to talk about debbie rowe in a moment. i want to ask, is it true how bright he was? >> michael? michael was probably one of the most talented people. there are producers who he gave ideas to who told me if only they had listened to him. but he wasn't educated in the way -- >> larry: but he was intelligent? >> oh, beyond. fred astaire told me he was the greatest dancer of our time. >> larry: astaire said that? >> yes, to hear that from astaire, who else are you going to hear it from? >> larry: more about michael's life, after this. husband: or start a business? advisor: yep. wife: or take some classes? sure. or find the best cheeseburger? the line isn't for everything. whatever your destination, fidelity has the people, guidance and investments to help you find your way.

>> larry: now, the debbie rowe part of the story. she was your nurse, right? >> yes. >> larry: they met in your office? >> yes. >> larry: was it a real love affair? >> i don't know what love is. i think that she loves him very much. she admired him very much. but if you think they're riding off in a horse-drawn carriage, i mean, we have to put what is a real relationship. we have to go back to what barnheart said to danny kaye. and she didn't even know who danny kaye was. which means who of us is normal. i'll tell you, was that a love affair, you want to know. i think she really cared about his welfare. >> larry: it was not a sexual relationship? >> i think they did have sex. >> larry: you do?

>> yes. i can't guarantee that. >> larry: you think michael had sex to father the children? >> i don't know that answer, i think it's possible that he did. i can't guarantee that. you can only guarantee things you see. i don't want to make any suppositions about anything in this interview, because i want this to be as truthful as possible. >> larry: now, what about all the rumors about you and the fathering of those children? >> here's the most important thing. michael loved those children as a father. those children loved him as a father. as far as i know, that's the most important grouping that is. >> larry: that's not answering the question. >> no, because i'm not going to answer it the way you want me to answer. >> larry: well, you can say no. >> i will say no if that's what you want to hear. >> larry: i want to hear what you know. >> the most important thing with the father is the father is who the children want their father to be. i will tell you this, i will say, no, because the most important person for these

children is how michael loved them. and how he loved his children and how they loved him. he would never pass him without saying, i love you, daddy. he would say, i love you. >> larry: earlier today, you said you couldn't answer that one way or the other. >> i still can't answer it absolutely one way or another. >> larry: that means you donated sperm. >> i once donated sperm. >> larry: you donated to him. >> oh, absolutely not. once to a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal affairs. i think to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father. this discussion, however, is between michael's children and this person. it's not to be discussed who the father is over national television. >> larry: it's nobody's business. >> it's no one's business. >> larry: except he's become the public's business. isn't this a fact of life? >> let me tell you something, there's something called private lives. can't we leave this alone? can't we leave these children alone? these are brilliant, talented

children. forget this, understand, this man loved these children. these children loved him. his children loved him. >> larry: you're not saying you won't take a dna test? >> if they want a dna test, i will take a dna test. i don't care at this point. >> larry: your concern is the kids. >> my concern are the kids. they're the brightest children i've ever met. they come over to my house, they behave wonderfully. i know how deeply he loved them and how deeply they loved him. i don't want to destroy this relationship in any way, shape or form. i'll tell you this, no matter what, i will protect these children. >> larry: how are you personally, arnie klein, dealing with all of this surrounding you? paparazzi following you? >> i ignore it all. because you know what -- >> larry: stories that you're the father. i mean, come on, you can't put it away. >> you have to understand, i've been through a few things in my life. i've been through debbie rowe marrying michael.

i've been through the pregnancy. the botox. understand? this is just another episode. this is a little bigger because they're following me for a change but i think it's sensationalism, but it's happening to the world. we should more worry about what's happening at the fda and drugs existing all over the playgrounds at high schools than what's happening to me. >> larry: you once told me about michael and ryan white dying of aids. >> michael wanted to bring ryan white to neverland. and his plastic surgeon said you can't bring him in the jacuzzi because you might catch aids. >> larry: you're kidding? >> honest to god. michael called me, will i catch aids if i go in the jacuzzi with ryan white. i said, no way. he was very good friends with ryan white until he died. that's what people don't know. >> larry: did he go in the jacuzzi? >> absolutely. he really cared. i have a brother who's learning

disabled. he asks me every time he seen me, how is steven doing? this is a person who really cared about other people. he's unlike any person i ever met. >> larry: did you go to the memorial service? >> i couldn't. i watched it on television and it was still too emotional for me. i understand who he was. i thought it was a very beautiful service. i know you were there, you know, services like that, father's a rabbi and i do not do well at memorial services. >> larry: i don't either. what is michael jackson's legacy? you can go to cnn.com/larry king, read our blog. cnn.com/larryking. check it out. back in 60 seconds. dr. arnie klein. look -- we're number one in motorcycle insurance, a leader in boat and rv, and -- oh, wait, let me guess. you're the number-one truck insurer. wow, first guess! nailed it. oh, you're psychic!

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>> larry: a gut-wrenching moment at the memorial came at the end when michael's 11-year-old daughter paris talked through her tears. we've seen it many times. we want to get arnie's reaction, watch. >> ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. and i just wanted to say i love him so much. >> larry: what do you feel when you look at that? >> i can't, it's difficult to look at that. because here's a man who changed the world. he enabled black people to do things they've never done before. we have a black caucus, we have

a black president. he enabled so many things. he gave so many gifts to the world. he's the finest entertainer what he ever had. unlike what they did to this sarah burnhard. she died painless, yet they had a big found ral for her. now everybody wants the gossip. we lost one of the greatest people of our life. the most generous and with a bigger heart than anyone i've ever known. he's produced three incredible children. >> larry: about the children, this is hypothetical. if you were the parent, this is hypothetical, would you go and talk to them and do something about it or let it ride? >> if i was the parent, i'd spend every moment of the day with the children. >> larry: you'd become their father? >> absolutely. >> larry: we'll be back right after this. i think i'll go with the preferred package.

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>> larry: before we get back to dr. klein, let's check in with anderson cooper host of "ac 360." back in new york city. what's up tonight, anderson? tonight we continue as you are following the breaking news into the investigation of michael jackson's death, randi kaye is learning more about the investigators and the police. we'll have the latest on that. and sarah palin she says she's quitting because she's being forced to waste time and money fighting ethics accusations. and new details on the murder of steve mcnair. new details about the double life he was leading and the chilling 911 tapes from the night he was killed. those stories and more. >> larry: anderson cooper, 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. we're back with dr. arnie klein.

how did the story, you think, surface about you and fatherhood? where did that come from? >> i don't have any idea. where are it came from debbie rowe, i have no idea. >> larry: could it have come from debbie rowe? >> absolutely. my greatest concern was what was going to happen to the children. i told her i didn't want to see the children wasting away. these children are bright. they've gone to film school. >> larry: do you think she said something about it? >> i don't know that. all i told her was this, i want her to get active and be the mother of these churn. >> larry: do you think that she has custody? >> i don't know if she has custody. i think i'm very worried that the custody -- the woman who was hernany was incredible, she should remain the nanny and help raise the children. i worry about the jackson family only because i worry about the father. >> larry: in what way? >> he was very difficult to deal with with michael. they announced his new record

label at the memorial. as you remember. and he seems more interested in making money than dealing with the -- >> larry: what do you think of the rest of the family? >> i think janet is wonderful who i happen to know. i know randy. he seems nice to me. i think they're going to put a performance on again. what they want to do is perform. >> larry: they're performers. >> yeah, they're performers. but you heard speeches yesterday from very controversial speakers. i think the most wonderful speech was the person who i thought would be the least was al sharpton when he talked about michael. he spoke really eloquently yesterday. i just want to assure that debbie rowe or someone take good care of these gifts from god. >> larry: is katherine the stronghold of the family? >> i think she is. how would old she now? >> larry: 79. >> do you think it's difficult for a 79-year-old to raise adolescent children?

that would be my question. also, debbie rowe has gained her rights back to the children. now, you may not think she's the best person in the world, having worked with her for 25 years, as a nurse, she can be a very loving person. if she's combined with grace, it could be a wonderful combination. i can't make these decisions, nor do i want to. >> larry: have you gone to see the family? >> i have not gone to see the family. i didn't want to see the family, i have difficulty with jesse jackson who i didn't know very well. reverend sharpton who i didn't know very well. once the family invites me to visit them, because i'd love to see the children. i have to get invited to visit. >> larry: what do you think will happen to michael's body? >> burial. >> larry: neverland? >> wherever they want to put the body. i believe firmly that he should be buried. i'm an orthodox jew, once you've died the body is just a body.

it belongs in the ground. >> larry: orthodox bury the next day. >> i know. in my view he should have been buried already. they want to keep him stored in neverland until they bury it. i think you have to put an end to the carnival atmosphere. i think it's time to put the body in the ground and get on with the rest of the world and get on with the great things that he's done. remember how he changed the world in such a positive manner. >> larry: will you come back? >> absolutely. >> larry: i'd like to look into your mind on lots of things, including treatment with drugs. we have panel shows coming up. >> i'm only an expert on injectables. >> larry: appreciate it. we want to thank the millions of you who watch cnn here in the united states and around the world yesterday. we appreciate the online viewers, too. thanks to everyone out there for making cnn number one. when we come back, the little

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>> larry: extraordinary young man joins us now, shaheen jafargholi. he was a finalist on "britain's got talent." he was on this program at that time. he performed at yesterday's michael jackson memorial. michael had invited shaheen to london for his upcoming tour. shaheen was a big hit tuesday. let's take a look at him singing michael's song "who's loving you." ♪ i want to make it, all my

life ♪ ♪ all my life ♪ now come on ♪ come on and take it girl come on and take it girl ♪ >> larry: how did they get you to do that? how did they call you? what happened. >> well, you know, michael was meant to be doing the tour dates because i was on "britain's got talent" he saw me on youtube and he wanted me to appear with him on his -- >> larry: in london. >> yeah, in london. and so you know, unfortunately he passed away. and so they were setting up a memorial, very short notice, you know. and they were discussing it with kenny ortega, the guy who was going to direct the show in london and you know, they thought it would be a great idea for me to perform there. he used to watch me on youtube

every day. he used to really like me. >> larry: did you like the idea? >> when i first went, i couldn't believe it. i was to be honest, honored to be invited. when i found out i was in the o-2 date, that was amazing as well. >> larry: you were going to sing in that concert. >> i was going to be singing a duet of feel the world with him. >> larry: so they flew you over and you rehearsed. what did it feel like to perform at the memorial. >> i just felt really honored. i'd been given the opportunity and the chance to say good-bye to my idol and my hero in a way that no other person on earth ever could. i had a great opportunity. >> i'm really glad it happened. >> larry: how old are you? >> i'm 12. >> larry: what's the background of the name? >> i'm half iranian. >> larry: born in london? >> no, born in wales which is a small country in london. >> larry: you live there now? >> yeah, i live in wales.

>> larry: what's your goal? >> to keep doing what i'm doing, to sing and you know, just record maybe, just be out there and be able to show people how much i love to do this. >> larry: you have extraordinary talent. do you dance? >> well, i'm not saying i can't dance but you know, my main stronger point is singing and just basically what i love to do all the time. i just love getting the chance to get up on the stage and sing to lots of people. >> larry: when you were singing, berry gordy was singing right in front of me, the famed founder of motown. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> larry: so i leaned over to him and i said, did you know who kid this kid is and he said, i don't know who this is, but if i had a record company, i'd sign him tomorrow. do you have a recording contract? >> not at the moment. i mean, we're waiting to see what's going to happen with me in the future. i mean, hopefully, you know, i'll be able to carry on singing basically just get better and progress. >> larry: are you good at school? >> i'm like really high level at school. i love going to school.

i just love being normal and being with my friends and, you know, just sitting in. i love going from one extreme to the other. >> larry: do you vocalize every day? >> i sing all the time. i sing to myself. i just forget, sometimes. >> larry: you just start singing. i'm going to have you sing in a minute. when you're 12, couldn't your voice change? >> well, everybody, every person goes through that change. but when i was on the show, "britain's got talent" the vocal coach said i can hear in your voice that it is going to obviously break, which everyone thinks, i think it's going to break but get stronger. >> larry: more tenor or less tenor. >> more tenor. >> larry: sing something for us. anything. you walk down the street and sing. sing. >> i'll sing "who's loving you." >> larry: okay. we have about 45 seconds. go.

♪ when i had you ♪ i treated you bad oh, my dear ♪ ♪ and i wonder who's loving you ♪ >> larry: it was that natural to you as a kid? when did you start singing, when you were 5, 6 years old? >> in front of an audience, yes. but ever since i could talk. i mean i was always singing words to all my favorite songs, seemed to just stick in my head. i mean, my mom always used to play lots of motown and michael jackson around me so i grew up listening to all these amazing songs. >> larry: you have an extraordinary future in front of you. you're quite a young man. proud to know you. >> thank you very much. >> larry: thank you, shaheen. shaheen jafargholi it's safe to