be sure to catch "the situation room" saturday edition, 6:00 p.m. eastern. among our guests, the middle east special envoy, richard holbrooke, the special representative to afghanistan and pakistan. that's it for us. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." up next, "lou dobbs tonight." kitty pilgrim sitting in for lou. kitty? >> thanks wolf. tonight, president obama is on his last leg of his overseas tour, but as the president travels abroad, his domestic here at home from health care to the environment has setbacks. and once again aig is the subject of taxpayer scorn. it has no plans to pay millions of dollars of new bonuses to executives. and a group of black and hispanic children thrown out of a suburban philadelphia swim club. receive an apology. but they aren't allowed back. accusations of racism against the club are being investigated. plus, the naacp turns 100 this year. is the civil rights organization

still relevant? that is the topic of our "face off" debate tonight. but, first, president obama is in africa tonight. and the president arriving in ghana, just a short while ago. he left italy this morning following the g-8 summit. now, this is the last leg of the president's weeklong overseas trip. at the summit, the president and other g-8 leaders, set a deadline for iran and promised aid to developing nations. suzanne malveaux reports from l'aquila, italy. >> reporter: president obama wrapped up the g-8 economic summit, a popular figure. but admittedly, a bit weary. >> the one thing i will be looking forward to is fewer summit meetings. >> reporter: this would be his third international summit during his first six months in office. meetings that have grown from the leaders from eight of the world's richest nations to more than 40 heads of state, all trying to get a piece of the

action. >> what i've noticed is everybody wants the smallest possible group, smallest possible organization, that includes them. so, if they're the 21st largest nation in the world, then they want the g. -21. >> reporter: it did produce some results. a september deadline for iran to show whether it will negotiate giving up its nuclear program. >> the international community has said, here's a door you can walk through. that allows you to lesson tensions and more fully join the international community. >> reporter: and $20 billion in aid for struggling farmers to feed the poor. the president made the pitch to his counterparts, using a story about his own kenyan roots. >> and now i have family members who live in villages. they, themselves, are not going hungry, but live in villages

where hunger is real. and so this is something that i understand on very personal terms. >> reporter: but mr. obama also acknowledged some disappointm t disappointments. >> we did not reach agreement on every issue. we still have much work ahead on climate change. >> reporter: the president failed to get developing countries who are also big polluters, like china, israel, and brazil, to set a specific goal for lowering greenhouse gas emissions. world leaders were cautious, giving more time for their economic policies to try to turn things around. suzanne malveaux, cnn, l'aquila, italy. following the g-8 meeting president obama met with pope benedict at the vatican and the president spent about half an hour with the pope. they discussed abortion, stem cell research and u.s. immigration reform was also discussed. now, the catholic church has been critical of u.s. immigration policy and efforts to enforce immigration law. earlier in the week, pope benedict blasted capitalism.

he denounced practices that he said led to the global economic crisis. president obama at the g-8 summit said developed nations have a responsibility to take the lead on climate control. the president said the u.s. should do more to fight global warming. and he said, quote, i know in the past the united states has sometimes fallen short of meeting our responsibilities. so, let me be clear -- those days are over. president obama left italy this morning after his meeting with the pope, and the president's next, and final, stop on his seven-day trip, the african country of ghana. now, the president and his family arrived in ghana just a short while ago. ghana is the only african stop on the president's trip. and tomorrow, the president will meet with ghana's president and address the country's parliament. new developments just in on the president's domestic agenda. house democrats tonight are proposing a new tax on wealthy americans to pay for the president's health care plan.

now, this plan would impose a 1% tax on individuals making over $280,000 a year. individuals making over $400,000 a year would be taxed at an even higher rate. the plan is not yet finalized, but the president's health care proposal is still facing tough opposition from some members of his own party. and tonight, 40 house democrats are withholding support. brianna keilar reports from washington. >> reporter: president obama is telling congress the clock is ticking on health care reform. >> i never believe anything is do or die. but i really want to get it done by the august recess. >> reporter: a tall order for congressional democrats who have missed self-imposed deadlines. in the house, 40 fiscally conservative democrats, including arkansas' mike ross, sent a letters to leaders, concerned congress isn't doing enough to cut ballooning health care costs. would you vote for the house

health care bill as it stands right now? >> no. this is the biggest domestic issue that we will tackle this -- this century. and so we think we need to slow it down a little bit and do it right. >> reporter: so far, there are two prevailing ideas, one cause for a government-run health insurance plan favored by house speaker nancy pelosi. >> the only debate on that is what it will be called, a patient option, write in your suggestions. >> reporter: the other is a nonprofit health cooperative, with less government involvement. but after hours and hours of negotiations, lawmakers are still struggling with how to pay for it. in addition to cutting costs, congress will have to raise taxes to foot the trillion dollar bill. democrats on the house tax-writing committee agreed friday evening to increase taxes on individuals making more than $280,000 and on couples earning $350,000 or more. democrats are hoping that this will bring in $540 billion in tax revenue, and they've already

taken off the table or all but taken off the table a couple of other proposals to tax employer-provided health benefits and things like sugary drinks or sodas, kitty? >> brianna, this is the not the only tax being discussed, is it? >> no, it's not the only tax proposal being discussed in terms of once hitting the wealthy. in the senate, for instance, they're considering a few different ones, capital gains on wealthy investors and limiting the itemized deductions that the wealthy get, and a millionaire's tax, not set in stone, but certainly on the table. >> thanks, brianna. president obama's ambitions to deal with climate change here in the united states is now stalled on capitol hill. democratic senator barbara boxer is chairwoman of the house environment committee has decided to put off action on the cap-and-trade bill until after the senate's august recess. and that breaks an early august deadline boxer had set for a committee vote. now, the house had approved the

cap-and-trade bill last month by just seven votes. there is new controversy tonight, as insurer aig plans to pay out millions of dollars in executive bonuses. now, this is the company that wouldn't exist if not for a series of massive taxpayer bailouts. aig has asked for a consent from the obama administration's compensation czar to make the payout to key employees. aig is apparently trying to head off a repeat of the outrage when it paid out bonuses earlier this year. brian todd reports. >> reporter: more bonus payments to top aig executives are due on wednesday. $2.4 million for 43 employees. but congress' bailout watchdog was this warning -- >> look at unemployment. look at what happened with everyone's 401(k) and look at how many people are losing their homes and there are people that still think they can take taxpayer money and pay fabulous

bonuses. it's a two-universe problem. there will be trouble with this. >> reporter: but an attorney who representatives some of aig executives says denying them bonuses would break the law. >> these folks had contracts. then that's the prevailing law of the land. they're legally entitled to get the bonuses and it really doesn't matter what she or other people think. >> reporter: taxpayers have already made available to aig a $180 billion bailout. >> aig, shame on you! >> reporter: there was an outcry earlier this year when the company said it had to pay out $165 million in bonuses, even to executives of the disastrous aig unit that caused the company's near collapse. and over $200 million in bonuses aig says were agreed to of a the bailout are still supposed to be paid out next year. a source close to the matter tells cnn aig is asking kenneth feinberg for that set of bonuses. feinberg is the obama administration pay czar who will vet bonuses at seven companies getting big taxpayer bailouts. aig declined to comment, but

published reports say the company has also asked feinberg to weigh in on next week's $2 million payment as well. will there be a renewed outcry? >> i think it's smart of aig to ask the administration for approval because it does provide them political cover if the administration blesses the bonuses, and it gets trickiky for the administration to get -- to put some skin in this game. >> the treasury department declined to comment, but said overall when kenneth feinberg reviews bonus proposals bailout companies will need to convince mr. feinberg that they have struck the right balance to distort excessive risk taking and reward performance for its top executives. that's a quote, kitty. >> but, brian, let's talk about, kenneth feinberg on behalf of the government is only reviewing the future bonuses and isn't this set on bonuses from previous contracts? >> that's absolutely right. these upcoming bonuses for next week are based on previous contracts, as are the $200 million bonuses set to be paid out next year. now, he -- that means kenneth

feinberg will not necessarily rule on them. if he does not, aig will have to face the heat alone on this. and remember the scale of these, next week's bonuses only $2.5 million and the remaining $200 million scheduled to be paid out next year that from a previous contract, that will spark even more outrage. >> because it's taxpayer money, it will definitely create a reaction. >> it will. get ready next year. next week is small in comparison. next year, $200 million. >> thanks, brian todd. coming up, an apology to black and hispanic kids kicked out of a suburban swim club. they still can't go back. also employees at an his for rick african-american cemetery face felony charges. they're accused of digging up remains and reselling the graves. also new developments tonight for small business owners who say the stimulus plan has passed them by. the obama administration is now considering bailing them out. we'll have that story, next. come fast enough. ieft

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this just in. the white house is considering a small business bailout. now, this proposal will use some of the $700 billion in the bank rescue fund to offer low-interest loans to small businesses. it's not a done deal yet. and no matter what happens with the idea, it will be too late for many businesses, who say until now the administration has ignored them. lisa sylvester has our report. >> reporter: nathan's has been a washington, d.c., landmark in georgetown since 1969. a place where power brokers and regular joes rubbed shoulders over a good beer and a burger. but the family owned restaurant is shutting its doors for good sunday, a casualty of the weakened economy. what effect has the economy had on your business? >> it's killed us in every possible angle. d.c. people eat out less. there are fewer tourists in the

district, and business travel has fallen as well. >> reporter: manager jon moss loses his job that day, along with the other employees. the restaurant is just one of many small businesses that have been shuttered in the recession. that will make it tougher to turn the economy around. the small business administration says small businesses employ half of all u.s. workers in the private sector and account for 60% to 80% of new job creation over the past decade. the national federation of independent businesses says many small business owners are wondering where's the stimulus that was supposed to come from the $787 billion stimulus package congress passed in february. >> what they were expecting was some immediate stimulus to the economy. so, the small businesses were pretty much in support of something like, you know, a tax holiday for six months that would take a few hundred billions out and put money immediately into the hands of

consumers. >> reporter: customers are now flocking to nathan's in the final days before last call. >> sad. very sad. this was like my first, like grown-up bar that i ever went to. >> a lot of fun. >> reporter: now they're trying to get their last fill of memories. when the stimulus package passed on february 17th, the unemployment rate was 8.1%. last month, in june, the unemployment rate had climbed to 9.5%. the chief economist for the national federation of small businesses says companies will only start to hire when the customers go back to buying. but so many people are skittish about the direction of the economy, so they're saving more, not spending. kitty? >> lisa, the help for businesses has really been focused on wall street up until now, big bailouts for big, big companies. we're starting to see some movement to maybe helping small businesses. how likely are we going to see that followthrough? >> well, what you have is you

have this unemployment picture where you just see the numbers start to rise, and that has the attention of the white house and the administration. so, what they're trying to do right now is to try to come up with a plan, and they are looking at that plan that would extend loans through the small business administration to companies that are trying to survive essentially a line of credit. now, we spoke to the treasury department. they said that it is only one option on the table, but something that is getting serious discussion as a serious look at, kitty? >> well, it can't come too soon. thanks very much, lisa sylvester. thank you, lisa. to hear lou's thoughts on this and much more, join i'm on the radio, monday through friday for "the lou dobbs show." go to loudobbs.com to find the local listings for "the lou dobbs show" on the radio. you can also follow lou on twitter, loudobbsnews "tonight in law and order." a mant hunt is under way after a florida couple was

murdered in their home when eight people were in the house. police say it was a home invasion. both parents were shot multiple times. the children range in age from 8 to 11 years old. none of them were injured. they had the couple had 16 children total, 12 were adopted. a funeral service was held today for ex-nfl star steve mcnair's girlfriend sahel kazemi. it was a private service for friends and family. police say the week -- this week confirmed that kazemi was shot and killed the married mcnair before shooting herself. now, the two had reportedly been dating several months. suspended nfl player donte' stallworth was released from jail today. he served 20 days on a 30-day sentence for dui manslaughter. he struck and killed a construction worker. when police arrived, stallworth admitted to hitting the man and a breathalyzer showed he had been drinking. he is suspended indefinitely

from the nfl and will serve two years under house arrest. still ahead, the president of a suburban philadelphia swimming pool speaks out after accusations of racial discrimination. also, more disturbing allegations about an alleged grave-robbing scheme at one of the nation most historic cemeteries. also, a 15-year-old african american girl making history.

felony charges for reselling cemetery plots in a historic black cemetery, where several famous african-americans are buried. they're accused of digging up hundreds of graves and higd their remains. we have the very latest

developments on this disturbing story. >> it's unbelievable, kitty, since this news broke, by the way, some 2,000 families had gone to burr oak cemetery to see if the graves of their loved ones have been effected. authorities say they dug up 300 caskets, possibly more. the remains were either reburied or dumped in the back part of the graveyard. the plots were then resold. the suspects worked at the cemetery and often took cash payments for the transaction. today tom dart announced the discovery of 30 more plots that were violated. >> people have gone to the grave site where a different person is there now. people have gone to grave sites where it's clear that something has been removed and moved. >> and the historic cemetery is the final resting spot for blues singer willie dixon, jazz singer dinah washington and some negro league baseball players, also

buried had, emmett till, a 14-year-old whose slaying in 1945 helped spark the civil rights movement. the sheriffs said the original casket where till was found was found in a dilapidated garage. it had wildlife living inside it. emmett till was buried in a different casket after his body was exhumed in 2005. but authorities are questioning why was the original casket not in a museum. why was it in a garage. >> this is a horrifying story. how is the investigation going to continue? >> i mean, this is going to take, he said, about, weeks and months, possibly, because a lot of the records were destroyed. i mean, the fbi is investigating as well, but they don't have a lot of these records, a lot of the deeds they're giving out, co copies. >> it's too grotesque a story. thanks very much, ines. some other stories that we're following tonight across the country. illinois senator roland burris says he will not run for a full term in 2010. burris made the announcement today, saying that the burden of raising campaign money would

take him away from state issues. if you recall, burris was appointed to president obama's vacant senate seat by former governor rod blagojevich and he has been accused of trying to sell the seat. the appointment was challenged even by members of his own party and burris had to face court battles and a perjury investigation. in milwaukee, a teenage pilot is making history. 15-year-old kimberly indeke will be the youngest african-american female to pilot a transcontinental trip. she started her trip in compton, california, flew to virginia, and she's stopping in milwaukee on her way back home. still ahead -- what officials of a suburban philadelphia swimming pool are saying tonight about allegations of racism. also, our "face off" debate on its 100th anniversary, has the naacp become irrelevant?

a swim club in a philadelphia suburban is under increasing pressure tonight over an alleged case of racism. now, the question is whether a group of children were kicked out of the pool because it was too crowded or because of the color of their skin. and tonight, the president of

the swim club is speaking out. susan candiotti has our report. >> reporter: kids whose parents belong to valley club were back in the water and having summer fun one day after controversy kept them away. and youngsters who got to use that same pool for only a day, got an apology from the swim club, but no invitation to return. >> it's just really unfortunate, and we apologize deeply. we regret deeply that this had to happen. >> reporter: here's what happened. a day care center catering to mainmy minority black and hispanic kids paid $1,950 for the kids to use the pool for an hour and a half. but after one visit, their check was returned and summer swim trips canceled. >> we severely underestimated the number of children and our capacity to handle these groups. we were not prepared for it. and that's the only reason. it was a safety issue and that's the only reason. the children, we felt it was not safe for them to be here. >> reporter: the day care center

calls it a lie. they claim they pulled the plug from racist complaints from some white members. >> the children came running down the hill, saying miss wright, miss wright, those people up there said what are those black kids doing in the pool? >> it's kind of sad that white people are still thinking like this, when i thought that these days were over. >> if someone said that, i don't know. i didn't hear it. people are going to say things, but it's not our -- one person saying it is not the position of the club or the board. certainly not how we raise our children. >> reporter: the club flatly denies it discriminates and says two other day care centers were also canceled after one visit. >> it's just unfortunate that this had to turn into such a firestorm, because this has been totally misrepresented in terms of our club and how welcoming we are. >> he doesn't deserve this. he is a kind, tolerant person, that -- that would do anything for anyone, and teaches our children, teaches me, you know,

that everything can be resolved with conversation. >> reporter: but considering the gaff between both sides, conversation alone may not resolve this controversy. susan candiotti, cnn, huntington valley, pennsylvania. >> now, pennsylvania's human relations commission is investigating the pool incident outside of philadelphia. it's stepped in after requests by the naacp, which has been fighting discrimination for 100 years. but as it begins its annual convention here in new york tomorrow, some voices inside the black community are asking if the nation's oldest civil rights group is relevant anymore. and that's the subject of our "face off" debate tonight. so, joining us now is jimmie israel, an opinion writer for theroot.com and he says the naacp has lost its focus. he's also the author of the upcoming book "the denzel principle." also with us is hillary shelton, the organization's vice president for advocacy. gentlemen, thanks for joining

us. i'll have to start with you, mr. shelton. i looked up the numbers, naacp has about 500,000 members. there are 37 million african-americans. you certainly can't claim to represent all african-americans with that kind of a demographic, so tell us what you're doing to become more relevant. >> well, we continue to move forward in building our membership base, but keep in mind, even though there are 500,000 we can document, there are many, many forward of that number that believe that they are members of the naacp and certainly the influence goes far beyond that. you see, the naacp is a very helpful tool in moving issues forward. the biggest problem we have with relevancy is not what we're doing, it's how we're selling what we're doing or promoting what we're doing in the broader community. it's certainly something we're working very hard to address. to utilize the media to promote many of the things we're working on and how we're working on them and better ways of engaging, not only our membership, but members throughout the country. >> mr. israel, your thoughts on that? >> well, i think it's important

they are finally getting on the boat and they've discovered the internet and are engaging young people. but the naacp has had some challenges with focus. they've had some problems with admitted problems with infights in administration. and do you know what, only 52% of the money that they take in goes to -- to actual programs. the rest of it goes for administrative overhead. do you know what, i think that for me personally, an organization like the naacp, they kind of encourage people to run towards them and not think for themselves. but i thinking for yourself is less expensive and has less administrative overhead. >> first, the administrative overhead issues are very interesting whose administration is how it does business. that is, overhead is staffing, overhead is infrastructure, overhead is making sure that information can get out, utilizing the media itself. so, when you talk about 52%, you're really inaccurate in very many ways. what's very important about the naacp and something we actually argue.

we talked about why it was so important for even george bush when he was president to spend time with us, is that we have an infrastructure that allows the real issues and concerns of the community to come up, recognize that everything in this country gets done at one of three levels or some combination thereof. that is, everything is either federal at the national level, statewide or at the state level or it's municipal, community or whatever else it may be when you talk bt community and city level. so we have an infrastructure that very well supports that kind of approach. that's why we have been osucc s osuccessful in reauthorizinged voting rights act and passing legislation issues like hate crimes and need to move beyond that. our ability to be able to make sure that people can vote with election reform issue concerns. we're advancing issues around opportunity and access to health care, education. and we were the first ones, quite frankly, to come out and begin talking about the housing crisis, the mortgage crisis that we understand to it be today. when we met with ben bernanke two years ago and sat down and

told him we needed a moratorium on foreclosures before wall street started screaming. we talked to him about addressing the issues because like so many times in the past the african-american community is proven to be the canary in the mine shaft. we saw this breakdown coming and we moved to address it. >> brief point. while we talk about all the social issues that you address, let me bring up a couple of them, and there are enormous challenges in the african-american community. >> sure. >> we have 38% of prison inmates compared to 37% who are white. the unemployment rate for blacks in june was 21.4%, the rate for white, 8.7%. let's talk about the organization's ability to address some of these social ills. >> absolutely. >> is connect actually with people that are experiencing these in the communities. how is the naacp doing this now? >> at a number of different levels. number one, making sure there's fairness in how hiring is done. actually no disproportion in any

given day. as we're creeping up in two digits with the overall community, the african-american community spent twice that, beyond that, before that. we recognized that and moved to adjust the concerns to make sure, number one, there is fairness and also to make sure there's job opportunities and education opportunities that gateway to enter ployment and other things to employment to look at the african-american community -- >> i hate to cut you off. but i need to get mr. izrael in. do you think they're doing a good job? >> my problem is there's a real lack of focus. you hear them talking about they are doing all the things at once. you can only do so many things at once well. i'm encouraged to hear ben jealous talking about they are going to be focused on education and criminal justice. i'd like to see them focus on education. because education leads to criminal justice issues, you know, and the naacp has always just lacked this focus. and, you know, he's letting you

know that right now, he's telling you they got all the different irons in the fire. just focus on doing one thing really well and eradicating one problem. one point at a time. >> gentlemen, we agree the concerns are the same but the methods are different. thank you for being with us. >> keep rocking, kitty. >> i will. just ahead, president obama and the pope on immigration reform. will their discussions carry any weight in washington? we'll have that topic, and much more, with ple of the country's best political minds. also, gm car czar, bob lutz, he's staying, reversing his decision to retire, and he'll join me next on gm's first day as a new company.

a new, slimmed-down general motors today emerged from bankruptcy protection. now, this company will sell or close some of the best-known brands, that includes saab, saturn and pontiac. now, one of gm's most prized assets, however, will be staying. vice chairman bob lutz deciding not to retire as planned. bill tucker has our report. >> reporter: after a six-week sprint through bankruptcy, general motors emerged a new company. the new gm, a leaner, more focused company. >> our vision is clear, to design, build and sell the best vehicles in the world, by focusing on, for example, in the u.s. four core brands, chevrolet, cadillac, buick, and gmc.

>> reporter: the changes mean gm's u.s. workforce will shrink, to 64,000 by year's end, down from 91,000 at the start of the year. henderson also announced sweeping management changes. the man who championed the development of the dodge viper, the new chevy malibu, the new camaro, the cadillac cts is back at gm. >> i'm happy to announce today we're unretiring bob lutz. >> reporter: the 77 years old, lutz is something of an anomaly in today's post-bailout car world. his nearly 50 years in the business at ford, chrysler, bmw and gm is in stark contrast to the lack of car-building experience of gm's new chairman, or the government-appointed car czar, whose an investment banker, and before that, a journalist, but never a manufacturer. industry experts applaud the news. >> bob lutz is gm's secret weapon. ceos that have never built cars are not a good thing. maybe the -- the business school

textbooks say they are, but i'm not one for textbook anything. this is the real world. and experience pays off in the real world. bob lutz is probably the best, most qualified auto executive on the face of the earth today. >> reporter: qualified and controversial. bob lutz is the man who once said global warming is a total crock of [ bleep ]. he stands by that statement, ask yet he's also the driving force behind the extended-range electric vehicle, the chevy volt, and its nonelectric companion vehicle, the chevy ruse, which is expected to get 45 miles per gallon. in the announcement today, ceo fritz henderson said gm deeply appreciates the support and money it's received from taxpayers. the new company will keep 3,600 of its 6,000 u.s. dealerships and, kitty, it will close 14 u.s. plants. >> thanks very much, bill tucker. thanks, bill. joining me now from detroit,

michigan, the unretiring bob lutz. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. that was quite a eulogy and my parents would have been proud if they were still around. >> well, bill tucker, i think, told it well. you are the ultimate car guy. tell us what you think the gm is going to look like? it came out of bankruptcy very, very quickly, tell me what it's going to look like going forward. >> well, it's going to be a very fast-moving company. it's going to be a lot much more risk averse. it's going to be run, rather than being run by several large committees, like the north american strategy board, the automotive strategy board, the automotive product board and so forth, all of those committees are going to be gone. and it's going to be run by a small executive committee of about seven members. we're going to deal with all customer, market, and product decisions once a week in friday meetings. we'll achieve very fast decision making. and, you know, when you move

fast, you're going to make some mistakes. but when you move slowly, you produce only mistakes, because by the time the decision is made, it's -- it's -- it's beyond its best-buy date. >> you know, let's talk about government in this equation. government's pumped $30 billion into gm, it will pay $20 billion by the end of this year to get it through the reorganization. >> yeah. >> is the government effectively running gm at this point? >> no. no. and that's a -- that's a common misperception that now that we're -- we have received equity from the government, we're going to be having to do what the government says. we are -- we are -- we are being run like any other automobile company. except that the government, instead of giving us loans on which we would have had to pay expensive interest, which would have sapped our earning power, gave us the money in the form of equity, which the government over time will sell down that equity in order to repay themselves and we'll replace it with an ipo, with fresh equity. but i want to make it -- i want

to make one thing perfectly clear. >> uh-huh. >> the automotive task force that i -- all of us have met with several times, i have the ultimate respect for these. whether it's steve rattner, ron bloom or harry wilson, these are -- okay, they're financial re-engineering or they're workout people, but they know their jobs, and they really learned about the company. and they made sure that the new -- the new general motors that they were helping to craft would be lean, debt free, focused on what it has to do, and now that -- now that we've got a new board, we've emerged as a new company, the whole government influence is going to fade into the background. >> yeah. how long it -- how long will it -- sorry, how long will it be until taxpayers own this company -- i mean, the treasury has -- is the biggest stockholder, right? >> yeah. yeah. of course, they've got 70%. but that's very hard to predict, because it depends what the economy is going to do.

you know, right now the selling rate in the united states is about 9.8 million, seasonally adjusted rate. a couple years ago we were at 17 million. so, the market is down by 50% almost. and i want to -- i want to remind everybody, it's not just general motors sales that were down. everybody sales are down 50%. >> well -- >> including the vaunted -- the vaunted japanese. i mean, toyota is bleeding cash and money faster than we are. they just started out with a bigger pile. so, if the economy doesn't recover, it's obviously going to be longer for us to be able to pay it back. if we have some sort of recovery and go to 12.5 million or 13 million units, we will make a lot of money and we'll pay it back very fast. and i'll tell you, all of us are focused on one goal, including the government -- >> right. >> -- they want the same thing. they want this company reprivatized. >> right. >> highly effective, debt free with a very competitive wage rate. >> we wish you every success for

the -- for the benefit of your company and for america. thank you very much for being with us. >> yes. >> gm vice chairman, bob lutz. thank you. still ahead -- confirmation hearings for supreme court someny sonia sotomayor under way next week. with a preview with three of the country's best political minds, we'll discuss it.

joining me now are three of the country's best political minds. we're joined by james taranto, editor of the opinion journal.com, huffington post contributor, eleanor goff, and hank sheinkoph, thanks for being with me. let's look to next week. sotomayor's confirmation hearings. is this a circus, hank?

what do you think? >> the democrats better hope it's not a circus. the southern republicans may not it to protect their own constituencies, but bempbls, not a good place to have a war. >> ruth bader ginsburg says, it's ridiculous people have made such a big deal about latino women and their experience. kelly, as a woman, what do you think? >> i think as a woman, justice ginsburg is correct. i hate to break it to the gop, not only have they not been able to find any skeletons in her closet, it looks like someone with ocd, that's how clean she is. >> certainly she'll be confirmed because there are 60 democrats. i would like to see them question her. and there are things she said in that speech that were somewhat disconcerting, essential, what

she seemed to be saying, everyone has biases and i think my biases make me a better judge. she said other somethings that were more reasonable. the speech was not a model of clarity or consistency and i think it would be worth nailing down what she really meant. >> we know that all justices bring their own perspectives to the bench. that's unrealistic to expect them not to. >> imagine what's going to happen if everyone is seen on television by the american public beating up a woman with a latin surname and qualified. >> not so good for america. >> who said beating up? i said have a high-minded debate. >> he was high-minded about it. let's start another topic. a second stimulus package? and we basically haven't even seen the first one disbursed properly. we have joe biden visiting cincinnati,o, to defend the current stimulus package. i think we have a clip of that. let's listen. >> our administration's financial stability plan and

housing relief plan are attacking both the problems in the banking system in the financial industry as well as housing. and there's solid evidence, solid evidence that both are taking home. >> we've done a lot of reporting on this broadcast over the last week and $57 billion of the $787 billion stimulus has been distributed so far, disbursed. that's not a lot. and yet they're talking about a second stimulus plan. hank, thoughts on this? >> it hasn't all been distributes, in the first case. let's see what happens. what they're really worried about is the midterm elections. that's kind of what this may be about. >> i don't know how they could be talking about this when harry reid has made it clear he doesn't support it. i'm not sure where they're getting the votes for this. >> a few months ago, a columnist wrote, we appear to be doubling down on a policy that has

failed. he was writing a completely different subject. but i was reminded of those words by the second stimulus debate. >> he has buffett on his side, but he needs the party, not just warren buffett. >> let's talk about president obama. he's been on a week-long trip. huge agenda, climate change, global economy, international security, fighting world hunger. everything, kitchen sink kind of trip. yet his poll numbers are not that good. let's look -- a new poll shows americans are losing confidence in president obama, and if we put them up, does president obama have a plan for solving the country's problems, domestic problems, after this global trip, 53% say yes. and that is down from 64% in february. hank, what do you think about that? >> not such great news, but frankly, it's early in the term and midterm elections are a year and change away. when the people see something happen in the economy that seems to move a little bit better, those numbers are going to go up. and it's about the economy. nothing much has changed since then.

>> general powell's comments on this subject kind of got overshadowed by sarah palin's surprise announcement. he was concerned that the president had too much plate at one time. >> colin powell? >> yes. and i think lots of people are starting to agree with him. >> i agree he has too much on his plate, mostly he's been overambitious, trying to remake the health care system and global warming and all this other stuff when there's an economic crisis to deal with. but i wouldn't make too much of these polls. his numbers were very high when he came in. they were going to come down, simply the law of gravity. i think these numbers are probably pretty normal for a president at this point in his term. >> all right, thanks very much. coming up at the top of the hour, campbell brown. campbell? >> hey, there, kitty. coming up, we're going to talk about the michael jackson investigation. the very latest, was foul play a factor in jackson's death? you'll hear his father's stunning allegations. we also have new information about jackson's long history of

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a deadly week in afghanistan for u.s. troops and afghan civilians. a truck bomb south of kabul yesterday killed 25 civilians, two american soldiers were killed wednesday by a roadside bomb and seven killed on monday. now, president obama has ordered another 21,000 troops into afghanistan and expects the total number in the region to hit 68,000 by the end of the year. tonight, in heroes, we honor some of our soldiers who have fought in afghanistan. army reserve specialist david hutchison was just a few days into his tour when his convoy was attacked. >> reporter: on a cloudless

texas summer day, the 65th anniversary of d-day, men and women in uniform gathered to honor a new generation of heroes. among them, army reserve specialist david hutchinson. hutchinson was deployed to eastern afghanistan in may 2008 as part of a security detail for bridge and road reconstruction. his first week on the ground, his first convoy out, he and his team came under attack from 20 afghan insurgents. >> they started shooting anything from ak-47s, machine guns, rpgs, there were, i counted, three or four rpgs that missed our truck initially. >> reporter: from atop his humvee, he held their gun and position. he took out the insurgent's own machine gun net and made himself the focus of enemy fire. >> it was almost instantaneously after i stopped that the truck was struck with two rpgs. the blast initially knocked me down into the truck, took my

legs out from under me and laid flat inside the truck. >> reporter: he ignored his own wounds to care for his first sergeant. with a medic's help, they made it to the medevac where he began his long, painful recovery. they removed shrapnel from his legs, repaired nerve and muscle damage and ultimately helped him to walk again. >> extraordinary courage, loyalty, and selfless service under fire. >> reporter: one year later, this 22-year-old from humboldt, texas, was awarded the silver star, an extremely rare honor for a reservist. >> you never know when it's your time. you couldn't help but think how -- what it could have ended up with. first sergeant could have died, i could have died, anybody in the convoy could have died. something bad did happen, but everything came out alive and that's what it's about. >> the army says hutchinson's