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with some inspiration, the day having the feel of mr. obama taking last year's campaign it a whole new continent, in shirt sleeves playing with baby, working rope line, even ending his parliament speech with a familiar slogan. >> the world will be what you make of it. you have the power to hold your leaders accountable and to build institutions that serve the people. you can serve in your communities and harn nez your energy and education to create new wealth and build new connections to the world. you can conquer disease and end conflicts and make change from the bottom up. you can do that. yes, you can. >> reporter: now after wrapping up this week-long trirngs the president said he came to ghana in part to show the 21st century is going to be shaped not by whapd what happens in capitals like washington, rome, moscow, but also what happens in tiny
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capitals right here in africa. tom? >> well, ed, certainly one of the questions that we've been asking all day today is that around the world a new public opinion poll has shown he is enormously popular, people are inspired by him, excited by him, but many people are also asking the hard questions of in terms of policy how do we make this happen? for example, you could look as far away as iran and say there many people would like a change, the government doesn't want it and how much they want it seems to make very little difference without violence coming to the streets. what does the white house hope for the places that are intractable, that are hard to make his vision come true? >> they believe it's a long process, as you note, in iran. certainly obviously not going to happen overnight. we saw at the g-8 summit, completely different issue like climate change, the president tried to bring along countries like china, india, brazil, big, big countries growing in population, vast energy needs, they need to have a seat at the table, they didn't want to come along with the u.s. and other
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big powers just yet in terms of cutting greenhouse gas emissions. a lot of work yet to be done, but this white house believes the president is showing leadership, trying to bring other folks along and then when he comes here in africa, for example, by delivering that tough medicine, again, not going to change overnight throughout the continent but set an example that is going to get the ball rolling and they hope certainly in the years to come this is going to make a big, big difference, tom. >> many thanks, ed henry, on your travels over there. we look for you back in d.c. thanks very much. >> detroit june 30th multiple gunshots fired into a crowd at a bus stop, at least four student wounded. baltimore, july 2nd, 5-year-old girl is walking home with a cousin, a bullet seemingly out
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of nowhere hits her in the forehand. canton, ohio, july 3rd, two armed men enter a house an begin firing hitting a 2-year-old girl pronounced dead at the hospital. all this hour we are taking aim at youth violence. what needs to be done to reduce the bloodshed. we're looking for solutions, angst your questions and reading your comments. the centers for disease control just released data showing that in 2006, almost 6,000 young people between the ages of 10 and 24 were murdered. take it a step further, 18%, almost one in five high school students admitted carrying a weapon in the last 30 days t is, of course, shock news and not just about individual places, it's all over the country. but we begin in chicago where they're using phrases like tidal wave to discuss recent violence. seven school age children have been killed in chicago over the past month. there have been more than 200 mur es in chicago this year, many involving young people.
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back in may, cnn's abbey bud boudreau spent time with one family torn apart by all this violence. >> there are so many people who are watching this who don't understand how it feels and no one can really know, but can you try to explain it? >> it feels like somebody just took a knife and stabbed you in the heart and they don't stop, they just continue to stab you in your heart, but you're still living, you can't die. >>. >> reporter: pam bosley's ton terrell was shot in 2006 in this church parking lot, just before band practice. the police still haven't found the killer. terrell was not a gang member. he want the to play the bass guitar in a gospel band. instead he was killed for no apparent reason and died a painful death. >>s bullet destroyed a lot of things -- it destroyed a lot of
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things in his body. my baby was suffering, he could not breathe. he did not deserve this. it was horrible. >> pam and tom bosley feel people have become desensitized to all the killings because there are so many. >> it could happen to anybody at any time. >> reporter: tom remembers how he pulled his other two son, their older brother had died. >> i told my sorngs i says your brother won't be coming home. i just look ed at them and i tod th them, he won't be coming home. and they looked at me with -- they just stared. and i told them, i said, we'll get through it. i said we'll get through this. and they just looked at me. >> reporter: though nearly half of the cases have not been
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solved, police believe most of the killings are gang related. we went out with members of the chicago police department's gang task force. the unit expanded in january. >> i think whenever the availability of guns and there's certain systemic ills in this generation, generation next or whatever you choose to call it, their behavior is just inconsistent with civility. when you have that circumstance you're going have people who act outside of the norm. >> so how bad is it? i mean this is an inner city, we have crime, as other inner cities do. we're not unique to this in this united states, you know, you have detroit, you've got new york, l.a., we have a gang issue. and we're dealing with it. but we are out here every day actively trying to make a difference. >> we're fed up, you know, we want a future and not a funeral. >> reporter: we also gave ronny mosley a camera for a couple of weeks. he's a senior class president.
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>> he was special here. >> reporter: earlier this year, his classmate, freshman gregory rob robinson was gunned down and killed. police say rob beson was doing nothing wrong. >> the car was gunned down by ak-47. it was a car full of people. and when they looked back and they told him to get up, he was crouched over his family members, one who was a 10-month-old baby and another was 4 years old. you know, we had got up, he was just breathing like -- and you know, they saw him take his last breath. >> do you care? >> do you care? >> part of the solution to the gun violence is our starts with gun laws. >> reporter: mosley has fought for years for stricter gun laws. he's had limited success. >> put the guns down! >> reporte >> this is like genocide in our
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own backyard. in the u.s., we are always the champions, we go overseas and solve problems but yet we still have problems here that, you know, we can't deal with. >> reporter: mosley isn't like a lot of other 17-year-olds. he knows he's not invincible. >> every day i get up thinking about the work that i do and you know, if this could be my last year. >> reporter: 10-year-old trevon bosley shares the same fears. >> i'm afraid that someone will shoot someone else in my family. >> reporter: do you feel like that could happen? i mean is that the kind of thing you think about often? >> yes. >> reporter: and it's the last thing he this about before going to sleep each night. >> please don't let anybody get shot. amen. >> since abbey filed that story,
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investigators tell cnn one more chicago public student was murdered before the school year ended bringing the total to 37 students killed this past school year and as they said chicago is not alone. many of you are weighing in on youth violence. cnn's josh levs is monitoring the tweets, blogs and facebook bris. what are we hearing so far? >> they are coming in so fast. i think we can zoom in quickly, this an interesting one. from being a young man that grew up in chicago who has been shot five times and stabbed three, i find it heartbreaking that this issue of violence in chicago teens has not been resolved. that's an example from chicago, but we're getting examples from around the country, stories and questions. here's how you can send them in. get in touch with us there. cnn.com/newsroom and also
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facebook.com/joshlevsc facebook.com/joshlevscnn. we're going to be getting people a lot of answers, the role of parents, the media, the church and religious institutions. there's no holds barred. we're going to ask the experts. >> we want you to join us here and be a part of this conversation. we want it get to the nuts and boements of this whole thing. we both know we've been work on this problem for 50 years in this country and a lot of the pat answers that people roll out have not worked. so we're going to look hard at what those might have been and what might be different now if people can come up with these ideas and try them. stay around with us. i'm robert shapiro. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side.
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here is a revealing and frankly horrifying picture of youth violence in america. the cdc reports among 10 to 24-year-olds homicide ranks as the leading cause of death for african-americans. second leading cause of death for hispanics and third leading cause of death for asia/pacific islanders and native americans. well, our next guest says you have to address the problem with gangs. the professor at the university of illinois at chicago has studied gangs and violence for the past 20 years. i appreciate you joining us here. you start off in the hottest seat of all, i suppose. because it seems we've been talking about gangs and the need to address this forever. why have we made so little progress? >> that's a good question. chicago has had the same gangs
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for -- since the 1950s, for more than 50 years. the gangs have become very entrenched here and clearly that's one of the issues why rates of violence are high. >> when you talk about gangs becoming entrenched there and study gang violence. we hear so much about the criminal parkts the drug running or anything else, is most of the violence related to any sort of endeavor like that or is it simply violence for violence's sake? >> no, what i think we've learned especially where the rates of violence are the highest in black communities, the gangs, the drug trade really is a major contributor to the high rates of violence. but what's important is that and i saw you showed mayor daley earlier talk about violence is everywhere and that's true, but the issue is why is chicago's
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rates of homicide two to three time times higher than new york city? different cities have different levels of homicide and cities i think have to look at their own policies. >> you've raised that we. >> and try to figure out why. >> you raised that question, answer that question. why do you think the differences is? why are some cities better at this than others? >> well, i think one of the issues, certainly chicago's gang problem is more entrenched. but the other really when you look at chicago and new york, you need to lack at something that's not -- doesn't come right off the surface and that's housing. in new york in the '80s and the '90s, right when the homicide rates were rising, they invested $5 billion in affordable housing and stabilized communities. like in the south bronx, people came back and lived there. in chicago in the same time, the
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projects were ripped down, schools are being closed. the mayor's policies here have contributed to destabilizing those black communities and we know from looking at violence internationally when you have a lot of displaced people communities that are shattered, rates of violence go up. so that would be where i would start. >> there's certainly evidence of that but how do you answer other communities where you've had cities that have. around for a long time and violence has gone up and will has been no displacement of people? what do you do about that? i'm thinking about what i heard in that report a moment ago, where someone said there seem to be systemic ills with this generation. we've crossed a threshold where there are too many young people who think this is something they can do and that it's acceptable somehow to do it. how do we address that? >> well, first of all, you know, you have to look city by city.
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you're right about looking at other cities have different conditions. detroit's rates of homicide are among the highest in the world. as there's baltimore and philadelphia. this is, there's some serious problems of desperation in those communities. so you do have to look at it city by city. you know, given that i think that one of the major issues has to be to figuring out how to build communities up and to give resources to communities particularly black communities because this is like in chicago, two-thirds to three quart-quart all homicides are in the black community. so one of the things, the major things that have to be done is figure out how to strengthen those communities, not eat away at their fabric, displace them, that's a crucial factor in high rates of homicide their this country. >> well, i want you to stick
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around because i want to push you a little bit on that. i'm a little -- >> great. >> i've heard that statement many times in my life and the question has constantly been what does it mean to build up a community? and how do you not build up a troubled community into a bigger troubled community as opposed to making it better? so we're going to get to that and your many questions about it out there. keep your comments coming in. josh is standing by over there with some more of your tweets coming in, your messages coming in. we'll get back to that with john hagedorn in just a moment as we try it get to the bottom of what's going on with youth violence in this country.
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we're taking a closer look at this hour at youth violence. a new cdc report says 668,000 young victims of violence were treated in emergency rooms for their injuries in 2007. we're putting your questions about this to our guest. criminal justice professor john ha gch hagedorn and josh levs is monitoring your questions and comments about this. josh, one of the we're going to break this down a piece at a time. because i said a minute ago,
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professor, i feel like i've heard the same arguments one at a time. josh, a lot of about guns. >> yeah, this is interesting. thanks, professor, for doing this. there's already a debate going where we just invited questions a minute ago. zoom in for a second. one example. the places with heavy gun control always have rampant gun violence. the police cannot be everywhere at once, especially not in chicago. if the citizens of chicago were allowed to bear arms. people weighing in on the other side. professor, help us out here, what's your take on that? >> well, there's way too many guns in this country. there's a gun for every other person in this country. we would be doing well to get rid of the guns completely. so the issue of firearms everywhere, not just in chicago but internationally it's a huge problem. countries like honduras or el salvador where there was civil war and a lot of guns and they don't get rid of the guns, creates another problem. >> but professor, you raise a
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very valid point here. there are lots and lots of guns in this country, even gun controlled a row indicates recognize that if you shut them all all down tomorrow, it would take many years for that to trickle out of the system. >> right. >> in the meantime, what do we do? >> well, one of the things that, you know, i think you're right when you said before that a lot of the solutions had been tried before and they failed and we have to be looking at some other things. one thing that contributes to violence in chicago is that the city has been at war with gangts since 1969. and i don't know how war is a policy that leads to peace. and so recently in this last year in chicago, the police are trading in their shotguns for m-4 military assault weapons. that shoot up to 1,000 rounds a minute. and are lethal at two miles. i don't know what kind of
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message that sends to communities that we're arming like a military and there's many people within black communities like lawndale and ethyl wood say that the police are like an occupying army. you can't have war and peace at the same time. >> it is fear, professor, that all we're doing though is further defining the problem whether we talk about whether we should have more gun laws or less gun laws or bigger guns, it's more defining the problem and not working towards solutions. >> professor, you teach criminal justi justice, can you tell us factually is there a clear correlation between stricter gun laws and keeping the community more safe among youth or does it go the other way? is there any obvious correlation someone can point to and say look, these laws do that? >> no. cities and states with strict gun laws don't have lower homicide rates, no.
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>> exactly. that's going to allow them to keep raising it. something else people are weighing in on, right here behind me it's about the media. a lot of people think what are the latest findings about the correlation between exposure through violence in the media and the violent behavior of youth today? have you seen clear correlation s between the exposure to media that contains violence and violence on the streets? >> well, it's not a very healthy culture that we live in. violence pervades for example hollywood to rap music. so it's certainly not a helpful thing. to say that that's the reason why there's higher rates of violence, that's a little bit of a stretch, i think. >> nothing concrete you can point to and say clear correlation there? >> right. >> so, professor, if you looked at this and we say that we gun laws we can't to as, as a society, reach a on what will make a difference on this. i know plenty of out there are
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on either side of that issue are coming unhinged right now because it's an explosive issue. we're not trying to take a position on that it's just intractable for us to deal with. the request exposure to violence in the media and children has been brought up and kicked around a lot. i guess my question is what do you know that does work, professor? when you look for the most successful community out there and say here are some keys as to why it did a better job. what are those keys? >> well, i think it's, on a micmik mic microlevel, it's clear programs that reach and talk with gang members and people involved with i ha violence and attempt to prevent the cycle from continuing, that those things are necessary, but they're not sufficient. so we really need to be able to go out and talk to those perpetrators, the people in the organizations that are doing
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violence and not treat them like they're the enemy. but try to use reason and that is an important component but that's not the whole story. you really can't let people get away with murder. and you talked about the homicide rate in chicago, that so many are not cleared, chicago has had a long history of that. the most shocking statistic in chicago is the gangland slayings that took place from the outset that there were over 1,000 killings from the 1920s on to the '60s and only two were prosecuted, successfully prosecuted. that kind of stuff has to stop. >> for our viewer, in chicago, the mob is referred to as the outfit. professor john hagedorn, thank you for being here. josh is standing by for more questions and comments on what
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is going on here. we're going to keep working on on this because one of the issues we have to talk about a great deal more is culture. the overall culture of our nation and our young people and what we are doing or not doing to move that toward a society where it truly is unacceptable to all of us for this sort of thing to happen. sit tight. so what do you think?
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and save 50% on pads and shoes. meineke. happening now, president obama is on his way home this hour after his visit to ghana. during his time, there the president addressed parliament and he and his family toured a fortress that once used to house enslarvd africans being shipped to the new world. >> particularly important for malia and sasha who are growing up in such a blessed way to be reminded that history can take very cruel turns. and hopefully one of the things that was imparted to them during
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this trip is their sense of obligation to fight oppression and cruelty wherever it appears. >> in the florida panhandle police are asking the public to be on the lookout for a red van they believe carried three men involved in the deaths of a husband and wife. they say the couple was shot in their rural home. the couple had 16 children totally total, 12 adopted. the ones at home at the time of the killing were not hurt. in hattiesburg, mourners gathered to say good-bye to former nfl quarterback steve mcnair. funeral services were held at southern mississippi. police say mcnair, married father with four children was killed by his mistress on july 4th were in a murder/suicide. >> youth, guns and death, who could believe the culture of violence has become such a way of life for so many americans. we're looking for solutions,
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answering your we questions. after chicago tall lid 11 fatal shootings over at weekend, a newspaper headline asked "where is the outrage"? you can ask that in a great many american cities. dawn turner trite is a columnist with the "chicago sun-timechict years ago, even one child's death did provoke a great sense of outrage and it doesn't seem to be there anymore. >> absolutely. it's amazing when we looked at chicago last november right after the election, chicago was just stage set. it was beautiful that night. and i mean the i have skooiline was beautiful. and we saw all of the people in grant park, black, white, hispanic, asian, hugged up and it really made the city look wonderful. but when you think about what's happening in terms of the violence, it's almost like shining on the outside and rotting on the inside and there
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should be outrage. even if no more than for a very pragmatic reason in that crime often or the violence doesn't just stay in one area. there's always the chance that it can migrate. so it's not just the problem of a community like a west garfield park or englewood, it should be the problem of everybody. i'm afraid that we're not seeing it. we're not gearing up that way. >> why do you think that is, dawn? because you know, as i said, there was a time when community really did react in a big way. i almost feel sometimes as if people have simply grown so fatigued by it happening, that it's just easier for people to shrug and say, i guess that's just the way it is. >> well, i think, every time i hear when something bad happens in a community -- a more affluent community and when i hear people say this wasn't supposed to happen here, it just makes me cringe, because the
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reality is it's not supposed to happen anywhere. i think that people really, i mean we've drawn these borders and these -- we have these very stark dividers and it's almost like if it's not happening in my neighborhood then it's not happening to me. so there isn't this sense of interconnectivity. and i think what happened? i don't know exactly when it happened, but i know that there has over the years, there seems to be this kind of, there's a distance and there's this great chasm that's growing between the people who really understand and who want to get in and solve these problems, whether you live in these types of neighborhoods or not, the embattled ones. and people who just kind of feel like, you know, i've got so many other things on my plate. the economy is bad and i'm worried about my own house, i don't have time right now. >> dawn, let me ask you the same question i asked the professor a short while ago. you've traveled around, been to many of these place, talked to
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these people. in the neighborhood where is it is getting better or at least not getting worse, what's the difference between that and the other one where it's hopeless? >> i tell you, i recently wrote about a young man named kelwin harris who runs a program called the beloved community. he's a kid who grew up in a pretty embattled neighborhood, went to a fabulous high school locally, went off to cornell university and graduate school at harvard but decided to come back to the community and work in the community and help make a difference. and one of the things about his story that absolutely love and this is kind of dove tails into what you're talking about, what's making a difference, he understands that not all of these kids are dying in the way that calls for burying. when you are a kid who sees another kid who's gunned down, that has a tremendous effect on you. so what he's doing is he's gathering up a bunch of kids and
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a few weeks ago, he took them on a trip to tour a group of ivy league colleges because it's so important for a lot of these kids to get out of the community, oftentimes their lives are just so they'narrowly defined by a few blocks. >> so, dawn, is the issue here that those kids were exposed to something outside the community? do you think that's what made the difference or do you think the difference is that somebody within the community took an interest in them? >> well, i think it's both. this is such a complex problem that it takes so many different -- we've got to think from so many different sides. and so it takes a person who is able to get out, who comes back and who makes a difference. it takes that person exposing young kids who have seen things that, you know, we have not seen, we're adults an we haven't seen some of these things, we haven't grown up in environments like this.
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and it takes them to -- it's important to get them out of the this environment and into places where they can see another side. so that they do have the balance. and they can get out and experience something and understand that there's something much bigger than what they may see in front of them. >> i remember a very interesting study years ago, but small towns and the question why does one small town survive and not other economically? and it came down to the same thing you're talking be a, if they get one or two or three people who said i will make this better and they truly did something about it, it tend to make a difference. sit tight, dawn. we're going to come back with more of your questions out there, we want to hear what you're asking, discussing about this issue. we're going to direct them to dawn and josh levs who's listening. please stay with us. we weren't to hear from you and continue our discussion about youth violence in country and all of our communities. largest airline. of the world's and it's the only credit card... that earns miles on delta.
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we're talking all about youth violence. dawn, i want to get back to you with a quick question here. we have josh levs standing by and a child psychiatrist as well to help us out here. when you talk about the neighborhoods that have made a difference. we talk about key figures who might play a role in making things happen there. is there also a sort of a sense
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of critical mass s there a point that the universe of a neighborhood has to feel like it's possible to make progress or do you see people just wither away from it and say it is hopeless? >> well, i think that whole notion of the village and people working together to that very specific end of hopefulness is extremely important but you, it has to start somewhere. so it is a piece by piece process or person by person process. and i think that that is -- it takes people like kelwin harris or other people whom i've met in the community who really feel that they can make a difference. and i mean without that, the community continues to implode on itself. >> thanks very much for joining us, dawn. tony is a child psychiatrist who's specialty is post traumatic distress in children. he's joining us from new york to answer some of these questions about how much, i guess these
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really are cultural question, but josh levs has a lot of questions about and the impact an these people. josh? >> absolutely. the kinds of questions, we're getting. tony, thanks for joining us here. let me tell because we're going to do, we're hearing from people with a lot of question, don't want their names used, don't want their kids, kids friends some of those things. i'll present you some of their questions now. i want you it talk to me about the warning signs. if see behavior either in your own child, child's friends, what are you looking out for that they my mae have been exposed to violence? >> that's a great question. i think the first thing to say is parents often don't know their children have been exposed to violence so it's very important for parents to take an active interest in what their kids are seeing and doing after school and with their peers. with post traumatic stress disorder, the signs can involve either kind of being too hot or too cold. so eitherary child who has a
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change in their personality where they suddenly seem like they are more angry or irritable, jumpier, or alternately they're too cold. they are withdrawn, more sullen, they're keeping to themselves. >> the thing is a lot of parents are going to do that but they're just going to think maybe i'm reading too much into it, maybe things are tough at home. how is always say something just in case does it really need to cross a line to the point that you see a certain behavior that might be violent in that child? >> i think that a lot of parents rye to downplay the significance when they see their children being aggressive towards siblings or friends. in general, parents want to not see problems. but when you see your child being more aggressive than usual with their sibling or their friends, that that's an important sign. >> okay so you think you've seen this. what do you do? >> well, i think the first thing is to talk to your child. i think that the most important thing that i stressed to people i worked with is that parent are
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the most effective agents of change. i think the second thing is that to find out, are you living in a community where your child is exposed to violence or exposed to threats? if you think your child is suffering from psychological distress, it's important to reach out to help to a mental health counselor or psychiatrist or psychologist. most children won't tell their parents they've been traumatized or experiencing symptoms of ptsd. >> we can talk about therapy in a second because one thing you said to before you get on air, before you go to a therapist, move. >> the best example for recent times is the kids who liveded in new orleans, at lot of them developed ptsd symptoms after hurricane katrina but you wouldn't start treating those kids before the floodwaters receded or before those kids had homes to live in again. so the paramount principle is first making sure they feel safe. >> the next logical question is that old joke on psychiatrists. how many psychiatrists does it
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take to a chinch a light bulb, but the child wants to have to change. what makes you think the child is going to want to go through the change necessary to get past so as not to become violence. that's a great question and dovetails with the previous speaker, the columnist from chicago. children's work is to grow up, to be strong, effective and competent. often they use role models, they need credible role models to know how they're going to grow up. so helping a child choose a goal that's more adaptive and requires there be a credible role model for them to emulate. so having someone from the community who's gone out in the world and made something of themselves and come back, that's a huge asset. >> i think you told me there were times you took rappers with kids to therapy, kids they trust meese role models they kind of listen to therapist better.
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>> role model, coach, teachers. i'm optimistic that president obama can be a great role model for many youth in this country. >> he can't go to therapy with every child. >> right. >> we're going to be talking about a few things, like the difference between boy girls and questions from people comfortable with having their names used on the board behind me. that is coming right up. . this tums goes to work in seconds and lasts for hours. all day or night. new tums dual action. bring it on. ( tires squealing ) the first-ever is convertible from lexus. live a little-- a lot.
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themselves from above or be the dummy in this room. >> you've been in your body your whole life and your brain should know but in ten seconds it can completely re-evaluate the situation and accept the body of a different individual, a different gender even. >> reporter: how does it work? you wear a head mount unit and play a video. the researchers touches her body and the dummy simultaneously and the brain makes a connection. to test the connection, the dummy is cut with a knife. >> it feels like you tried to slice me across my stomach. >> so you experienced being a plastic man. >> yeah. >> harrison said the possibilities are endless. cameras could show how you appear to others an help improve low self-esteem. amputees could give their new prosthetic limb a sense of feeling. >> if you new body, a different
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learn more at cisco.com/newways. here's one more fact on youth violence we want to share with you. a new cdc report among homicide victims, 84% were killed with a firearm. we're back talking now with tony and with josh over here about what's going on. tony, let me ask you one question about this. >> sure. >> you mentioned a little while ago that people ought to move. look, i reported in new orleans, i reported in chicago. i've been in a lot of these place, there are many people in these places who would move if they could and after they get shot, they still can't afford to move if. they can't afford to psychiatrist. what are they going to do? >> it's a good way of making the point. the community, we need commun y communitiecommunit communitiers to work in these communities to help make the communities feel safer and that
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involves rebuilding churches or rebuilding those social connections. i think you asked the question earlier, why are some towns or cities successful and others not successful. communities with more social capit capital, social leaders, who have credibility are more successful at implements violence prevention programs. there are a number of violence prevention programs that have evidence to support them, that are shovel ready but just need to be disseminated into communities, but we know that communities are more likely to implement these program when is the community are more cohesive, have trusted leaders. have better relationships with institution that are implementing them. the question -- your point about how people can't afford mental health counsell iing speaks to e other important debate going on right now in this country about health care reform. that's what people are weighing in on big time. they're saying that today. they're saying there is an access to all of these things and the government in a the lo of people's view, the government needs to step in but also this community organization is getting into more. limited time, let me just just
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toss something ought quickly because i promised i would. we generally think about teenage boys, in this discussion, but there is also violence affecting girls in america. how different or the same among girls? >> absolutely. the first thing to say is girls in general and particularly in these kinds of communities are subject to sexual violence at much higher rates than boys. and that it's often underreport and underdiscussed. the second thing is that girls more likely to develop ptsd and other psychological problems following trauma, but also girls are just as capable of getting trapped into the cycle of violence as boys. >> and following up what we were just talking, i have a post from liz who is asking if there's any clear sign about the role of youth involvement in faith based activities. this is one place where some people are writing us saying hey, if the government won't do it and people don't have the money to move or get help in the sense they need, maybe you can get something through churches.
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have you found that involvement in faith based organizations is helping these kids when they are facing ptsd from violence? >> i think the answer is yes. a very interesting study from the south just came out last year showing that involvement in activities that give youth a sense of meaning and purpose can serve as a resiliency factor against developing post traumatic stress disorder when living in the circumstances we're talking about today. i think the other thing is that there's a jesuit saying that give me the child when he's 7, i'll give you the man. the time frame that we have in this discussion is often far too short. and that what we should be focusing on are earlier interventions starting at birth, preschool and investing in the minds and brains of these young people for their whole lives. society and culture imprinted themselves onto the brains and i take care of people's brains as they develop over a the course
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of a lifetime. i think this spike in youth violence declines in adureal le will he flekts the underinvestment in youth over the years. >> that's an excellent point we have to leave you on. want to get very quickly to a community activist up in chicago. teo, we had trouble connecting with you, but before we go, give us a thought. we had him for a moment and now we've lost him again. we had trouble with our satellite. so doctor, the last comment will come back to you. in the end, if you could right now, reach out and touch the single biggest thing that would make a difference. you mentioned very, very young children out there. what do you think would really help so that maybe ten years from now, we ve a somewhat better conversation instead of all feeling like we're throwing up our hands saying we just can't there get there. what do you think? >> if president obama is listening to this broadcast i would say universal preschool education and universal health care access. >> i'm sure there will be a lot
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of debate about that as well. josh, excellent questions over there. we do appreciate you all joining us today. it's a simple equation, the simple truth is being a parent is hard, being a part of a community is hard, being a teacher is hard, that's not excuse for not trying especially when something so bad happens as a result when we let kids run the neighborhood instead of the adults. seems how it breaks down. thanks so much for joining us today. on this weekend, we had a good time, we'll keep you up to all the news, stay with cnn for everything that's happening out there.
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