tina said it because i think that was a huge big part of it. >> got to end it there. many thanks, a discussion i fear we will be having many, many more times in the future. thanks, guys. that is it for us. we'll be back monday, 8:00 eastern. good night, everybody. good night, everybody. have a great weekend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, a prime-time exclusive. michael jackson's doctor breaks his silence, answering the questions everyone wants answered. is dr. arnie klein the father of the pop star's children? and what does he have to say about drugs? his former employee debbie rowe and the singer's ever-changing face. and then the bombshells that dropped today. shocking details about michael's body at the time of his death. dr. arnie klein on the friendship of almost 25 years. and the loss that has left him

devastated next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. the saga of the death of michael jackson continues. and we welcome a very special guest tonight. dr. arnie cline they call the dermatologist to the stars, easily the best-known dermatologist in southern california, maybe elsewhere, too. he's michael jackson's long-term dermatologist, friend and professor of medicine and dermatology at ucla. doctor, how did you first meet michael? >> i met michael because somebody brought him into my office. they walked into the room with michael. i took one look at him and i said, have you lupus erythmatosis. this is a long word. >> lupus? >> yeah, a butterfly rash and he also had severe crusting. you could see it on the anterior portion of his skull.

i'm also very visual. i'm a person that would not look -- that would look at the lips of the mona lisa. i would not see her smile. i would look at the lips. >> larry: was he there because of that condition? >> he was there because a very close friend told him to come see me. about problems he had with his skin. he had severe acne. >> larry: oh, he did? >> he did. many people made fun of him. many people remember him trying to clean it off. he had gone to these doctors that hurt him very much. he was extremely sensitive to pain. he walked to my office. had several things wrong with his skin. i said, you have thick crusting of your scalp and you have some hair loss. he said, how do you know this? i said because it's the natural course of lupus. i then did a biopsy. i diagnosed lupus and our relationship went from there. >> larry: grew from there. fast forward. you saw him the monday before he died? >> absolutely, yes, sir. >> larry: what was the purpose of the visit? >> he came to me because basically, i was sort of rebuilding his face because had he severe acne scarring.

he had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery. and my expertise is like -- my patients are my treasures and i was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. contrary to what people said he could not take off his nose, his nose was attached. it looked too small. i was trying to get him ready to do the concert because the way he looked, in his face, he wanted to be absolutely as perfect as it could be. >> larry: did he consult you when he was doing his plastic surgery? >> no. i mean, i came on to the scene long after he had begun plastic surgery. in fact, what i wanted to do was you know, stop it, because i felt that, you know, we were losing body parts in the situation. >> larry: do you know why, he was such a good-looking young man, why he even started with plastic surgery? >> i don't know. people made fun of, family members, made fun of the size of his nose. he's very sensitive to that. so then he started doing cosmetic surgery. you know, it's like remember totie fields very well. had a facelift and she lost her

leg. and the thing is -- >> larry: we knew her well. >> the plastic surgery, if you want it done, there's someone who will do it. >> larry: correct. how do you find the right one? i'll get to that in a while. how would you describe michael's mental, fiscal condition on that monday? >> he was dancing in the office so it's hard to say. so he was in very good physical condition. he was dancing for my patients. he was very mentally aware when we saw him. he was in a very good mood. because very happy. >> larry: looked good? >> it was a very, very happy mood. >> larry: therefore, you had to be shocked when he died. >> i remember when i found out. i sat at my desk for about five hours. i couldn't move. because i was very close to lim. it's not just because he's michael jackson, probably the most talented actor, or excuse me, performer of our age. i mean, when i lose anyone that i know, i go -- having lost my brother and my father when i was in medical school, i don't deal well with death. >> larry: a doctor should feel that way, right? any loss is a loss to him or

her. >> i've taken care of many good friends. i have to tell you one thing, i give my life to my work. i have nothing else. >> larry: was michael in any kind of pain when you saw him? >> none whatsoever. >> larry: there are reports, doctor, that his body was riddled, want to get this right, with needle marks when he died. did you see any evidence of needle marks? >> i didn't examine his entire body. >> larry: had you seen any in prior exams? >> no, i never saw needle marks on his body. i mean, i never saw them that i could tell you. but i didn't see a riddle of anything. people sound like he looked like he was made of, you know, there were holes in him. there weren't anything like that. >> larry: people said he looked emaciated. >> he wasn't emaciated. i have worked with dancers. i knew he always wanted to be thin and i talked to him about eating enough and making sure he didn't overexercise. some dancers in order to remain thin will overdance in order to keep their weight down. >> larry: would you call him a good patient? >> i thought he was a great

patient. i don't have any bad patients. >> larry: okay. well, some patients are not as cooperative as others. >> absolutely. >> larry: don't listen to their doctors. what about pain-killing medication, did you prescribe any? >> i used some sedatives when he had medical procedures that were immense. don't forget, he had the burn when he was burned on the pepsi commercial. and he had severe hair loss when he contracted lupus also. so when you have to fix all these areas, you have to sedate him a little bit. if you took all the pills i gave him in the last year at once, it wouldn't do anything to you. >> larry: what was the strongest medication you gave him? >> i occasionally gave him demerol to sedate him. that was about the strongest medicine i ever used. >> larry: you've worked with addicts, have you not? >> i wrote a book on heroin addiction. i think what's happening with drugs now is a disaster. i mean, we look at the actor from batman, look what happened to him. have you him, you have michael. the thing to remember this, you

have all these drugs now that are being prescribed, the pills like oxycontin, available at high school campuses, i think we have to do something about the readily availability of these drugs. >> larry: we'll get to that. did michael have an addiction you were aware of? >> michael at one time had an addiction. he went to england and withdrew that addiction in a secure setting where he went off drugs altogether. what i told michael when i met him in his present situation when i was seeing him, that i had to keep reducing the dosage of what he was on because he came to me with a huge tolerance level. when you take drugs repeatedly, unless you have something like your kidneys don't work, you may require some larger doses than normal. the other thing that you have to remember, when using certain drugs have you what are called active immediates. what these are, it takes a long time for the body to digest them. there are certain drugs like diprivan -- >> larry: i need to get a break. we'll come back. >> sure. >> larry: i want to talk about

diprivan. did dr. klein father any children? he's not exactly denying or admitting it. that's later. next, diprivan. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with dr. arnie klein. small world. dr. klein went to the same high school as my son andy, north miami high. where steve carlton pitched. he's in the hall of fame and you're in the dermatological hall of fame. >> diprivan. >> diprivan.

>> larry: i had cataract surgery. they knock you out for a little while, you wake up and you're fine. they gave me diprivan. >> it's a wonderful drug when used correctly. >> larry: used by andness anesthesiologists. >> right, it's a short-acting drug. it's metabolized very quickly. >> e you go to sleep. >> and it goes from the body very quickly. >> larry: what would it be doing in someone's house? >> i have no idea. that doesn't make sense to me. it's like anything, the danger of all of these substances are available that people can get because the very rich and very poor, the rich and the famous can buy anything they want to buy. >> larry: how would you buy diprivan? >> you can get it from an and anesthesiologist. >> larry: he'd have to come to your house. would you do it in your house? >> no, certainly not unless you had an anesthesiologist administering it to you. there's certain things that you have to not do. the one thing you have to know is what you're doing with medication. medicine is not something casual. i developed certain things in my life. not a lot. but the sites that use botox and

certain injectable fillers. that's my life. the big thing that i see, you see so many people giving botox at parties and things like this. this makes no sense. it's medicine. >> larry: i won't talk about that. did michael tell you he used diprivan? >> i knew at one point that he was using diprivan when he was on tour in germany. and so he was using it with an and anesthesiologist to go to sleep at night. i told him he was absolutely insane. i said this drug you can't repeatedly take because what happens with narcotics no matter what you do? you build a tolerance to them. >> larry: how could a reasonable anesthesiologist give that to someone other than prior to surgery? >> because, i have to tell you, there are certain people in this world who are not reasonable. you know, integrity in medicine -- >> larry: can you lose a license if you were giving it for other than -- >> anesthesiology? people have used everything for everything. but there are so many -- don't get me into the topic of integrity of medicine now

because i mean that's what's happening in the fda and all the recommendations with drugs. >> larry: are you surprised that diprivan was found in his home, supposedly? >> i'm very shocked by it. i have to tell you it's not something that would be unheard of because i told him this drug was very dangerous to use on a regular basis. >> larry: what did he say when you told him? >> he listened to me. but you can't be absolutely sure that you're forcing anyone. i spent half a year living with heroin addicts and writing a book about my experience. when i was in medical school, when i went to england after the death of my father and brother. what i learned from experience is that you couldn't really ever be assured that you're getting honest information from someone who's an addict. >> larry: because they lie. >> they lie because they want to get medication. >> larry: did you ever see any iv type equipment in his house? >> never. >> larry: did you ever see diprivan in his home? did you ever see it anywhere? >> no. >> larry: did you ever see it anywhere? >> no. and i also told him specifically the dangers of diprivan. the dangers of getting it used by someone who is not an

anesthesiologist or someone -- >> larry: did he have an insomnia problem? >> not that i knew of except once we were on tour with him, we were in hawaii. he couldn't get to sleep. me and my whole office went to sleep in the room with him. i never knew he had a problem with sleep until this problem -- this is whole tour came up or basically this problem with sleep at this time. i did know, certainly, under local anesthesia. this is not something that we discussed repeatedly. except i just got shocked. he assured me had he stopped. >> larry: and he never asked you to administer it? did he? >> no. >> larry: and you wouldn't, i guess? >> that's not what i do. i'm a doctor. a dermatologist. >> larry: there are at least five doctors reportedly now under investigation. have you been contacted by any authorities, police or anyone? >> the only thing i've done, i turned my records over to the medical examiner. i've not been contacted by the medical examiner. >> larry: nothing in regards to this? >> no. >> larry: do you know anything about these doctors, supposedly? >> i know there are supposed doctors. i know there's various doctors who went on tour with him. i know there were a few doctors.

i specifically don't remember their names. but i think they're going to review the records and go over specifically what happened. but you have to go back historically. what happened to kanye west's mom? what happened to his mother? she dids during surgery. how many people really have this problem when they die during surgery for whatever the reason is. whether or not they have liposuction. >> larry: are there a lot of doctors practicing who shouldn't? >> i don't know. >> larry: would you guess? >> i would say there's a large number of people. i don't think it's huge. i'd say a significant number of doctors who you really have to wonder what they're doing. because a lot of people have come into my field, which is basically aesthetic, because i think that is the only place they belong for untold reasons. >> larry: i'll ask you about michael and his looks when we come back. it's fidelity's guidance -- it shows you ways to spend in retirement that can help your money last, whatever your plans. like, if we wanted to travel? husband: or start a business? advisor: yep. wife: or take some classes? sure.

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what is vitiligo? >> it's a loss of pigment cells. for every 36 normal cells in your body, you have one pigment cell pumping pigment into them. unfortunately, it's an auto immune disease. and lupus is an autoimmune disease. they go together because you make antibodies against your pigment cells. >> larry: did michael have it? >> absolutely. >> larry: do black people have it more than white people? >> no, it's just more visible on black people. because they have the dark skin. the other thing is, it certainly occurs with a family history. i believe one of michael's relatives did, in fact, have vitiligo. >> larry: how bad was his? >> his was bad because he began to get a totally speckled look on his body. >> larry: all over his body? >> all over his body, on his face, significantly on his hands, which are very difficult to treat. >> larry: let's clear up something. he was not someone desirous of being white? >> no. michael was black. he was very proud of his black heritage. he changed the world for black people. >> larry: how do you treat vitiligo?

>> i mean, there's certain treatments. you have one choice where you can use certain drugs and ultraviolet light treatments to make the white spots turn dark. or his became so severe, that the easier way is to use certain creams that will make the dark spots turn light so you can even out the pigment. >> larry: so the decision was, he would go light? >> that's ultimately what the decision had to be because there was too much vitiligo to deal with. >> larry: otherwise, he would have looked ridiculous? >> he would have to wear heavy, heavy makeup on stage which would be ridiculous. he couldn't really go out in public without looking terribly peculiar. >> larry: more with dr. arnie klein after this. i think i'll go with the preferred package.

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how did you treat the vitiligo? >> well, we basic use creams that would even out the same color, and we destroy the remaining pigment cells. >> larry: and did his color change a lot over the years? >> no, because once we got more -- it more uniform, it remained stable. but you still had to treat it because once in awhile -- and he had to be extraordinarily careful with sun exposure. that's why he had the umbrellas all the time. >> larry: so when you have vitiligo, you have it all your life? >> usually. almost uniformly. you just don't have a little bit of it. it's most disconcerting, not in white people but in black people because you begin to look like a leopard. >> larry: did he have blotches? >> he had blotches. we got almost all of them. he was very, very devoted to treating it. he wanted to look well for one group of people, his fans. he wanted to embrace and love his fans, more than any performer i've ever known. >> larry: did he have hair? >> he had lost a great deal of it.

>> larry: that was the pepsi fire, right? >> yeah, but then what happened was he used tissue expanders in his scalp which are balloons that blow up the scalp and what they do is they try to cut out the scar. because he had lupus, every time they would do it, the bald spot would keep enlarging. so i mean, went that you a lot of painful procedures with these tissue expanders until i put a stop to it. i said, no more tissue expanders. he had to wear a hat all the time. it was painful for him. >> larry: without the hat, what would he look like? >> he would have a big raised ball on the top of his head because of this device that would expand the tissue that you cut out. you get too much stretch back in the scar. do you understand? >> larry: did you see him one time without his hat? >> of course, i did. he would have a stretch in the back of the scar. the scar would get worse. i had to put a stop to it. i told michael, we have to stop this. that's when i fired this plastic surgeon altogether. i said i can't deal with this anymore. so we're going to deal with me as your doctor and you can find

another doctor if you want to work with him. >> larry: what you can tell me about his changing face. >> well, i didn't know a whole lot about the changing face. i'm telling you that when i met him, had he done a decent bit of surgery by then. >> larry: was it done poorly? >> well, it was not done poorly. i think there's a time -- the magic is not knowing when to begin. the secret is knowing when to end it. i think that he believed his face was a work of art, which is fine with me. but i think at one point i wanted to stop the doctor from continuing it. it wasn't michael, i think, that wanted all of these things. it was a surgeon who kept doing it. so i got rid of the surgeon. >> larry: you got him to do it? >> no, he did some of it himself. the surgeon did not know when to stop doing it. the judgment call there was -- >> larry: did you ever say to michael, we're going too far? >> i stopped him from going to the surgeon. i said this isn't working anymore. you have to stop it. what i spent the last part of

the year doing is rebuilding a lot of things that i thought were done poorly and to look at him. to him, his face was a work of art. you want to talk about andy warhol's work of art, there are women in paris and elsewhere and men who do -- they implant things under their skins. >> larry: there are plastic surgeon addicts, right? >> yes, it's called dismorphic drs order, that you don't like the way that you look which represents 18% of the patients i've seen. >> larry: you may be beautiful but look in the mirror and not think you're beautiful. do doctors take advantage of that? >> i don't take advantage of anyone. >> larry: do some doctors? >> i believe some doctors do. there's so much distortion going around. you have to understand, just go around and look at the lips that you see around this city when you go out for dinner and you see these women who create these lips. when i invented lip augmentation in 1984, i had no idea what i was doing. in a sense, i had no idea it would be the number one use of soft tissue reagents. when i see these people walking

around with lips that look more like something that belongs below the waist -- >> larry: they look ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. here's the things. >> larry: why? >> you have to restore a face. you don't want to renovate. >> larry: why did he wear the mask? >> he wore the mask because it sort of became like the white glove. >> larry: it was a gimmick. >> a gimmick. he had no reason other than wearing the mask. >> larry: he also had his children wear a mask. >> no, he didn't have them. that goes to the brashear interview. we have to talk a little bit about that. >> larry: that goes to what? >> the martin brashear interview. when he had the kids walking down the street with masks on, the only type of masks -- they used to come to my house and he loved my dogs. i used to go over to their house. i've never seen the children wear those strange macks walking down the street ever. >> larry: i want to take a break. when we come back, i want to talk about the nose. >> okay. >> larry: and i want to talk about some of the things you're angry about and what changed.

and what was his relationship, dr. klein, with other members of the family? was there a relationship, coming up with that paternity issue and how he's handling all the beleaguering he's getting through all of this. don't go away.

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"endeavour's" liftoff has been delayed. nasa will try again tomorrow. good luck. i'm don lemon. "larry king live" continues rights now. i'll see new about 30 minutes. >> larry: we're back with the famed dermatologist. the subject is michael jackson. the changes to his nose. why did he do that? and is it true that he wanted to look like peter pan? >> i don't think he wanted to look like peter pan. i didn't see him implanting wings on the back of his back. or doing anything like that. >> larry: what about the nose? >> the nose was a very special thing. because his father and his brothers, supposedly, what i read, made fun of his nose all the time. so he was very sensitive to the nose. >> larry: what was wrong with his nose? >> i originally didn't think there was much wrong with his nose. he thought he had a nice looking nose. it was never able to come off his body. but it got to the point where it didn't look natural. >> larry: now, you helped him rebuild it? >> i rebuilt it. >> larry: how? >> i used fillers and hyaluronic acids. and they worked very well. it's an arduous procedure

because you don't want to put too much in and you have to do it exactly so it's perfectly smooth so we rebuilt him. he was beginning to look like the nose was normal again. that's all i wanted and regain the breathing pass anlz of his nose because there was total collapse of the cartilage. >> larry: in the last photos we've seen, his nose has been built up, right, he's looking better? >> yes. >> larry: was he still working at that? >> no, because i think we got to the point where he was very happy with the way he looked. filled in the cheeks a little bit. did a lot of little things. but i mean what i do in an individual patient is what i do. and what i do is just restoration work. i don't think people should look like, again, anything has been altered. >> larry: you're not a plastic surgeon. >> no, sir. >> larry: so are you extending yourself when you do things like this? >> no, i invented injectible aesthetics. for better or worse, it's what i've been doing since 1979. so i'm not extending myself whatsoever.

but if you ask the plastic surgeons they invented everything including the wheel. >> larry: are you on the war about injectibles? >> the problem is they've approved a lot of the injectables. >> larry: the fda. >> the fda. they've gotten it approved without knowing what happens once they're injected under the skin. when you inject something synthetic under your skin, weather plexiglas or injectable suture material, your body will react against it. you'll get a foreign body reaction. you'll get lumps. >> larry: i thought the fda is tough on drugs? >> no. the fda is run more or less by the drug companies. when you look at toxins now. the various toxins we use that relax muscles if you read the black box fda warning, the warning in canada is to the patients. the waerng in germany, also in england. but the warnings here are only to the doctors who don't know what they're doing to begin with. because what doctor is injecting a toxin. i think what we have to adequately do is teach doctors how to do it.

the other thing with these toxins, allow the research done in foreign countries. how can you trust the data? some of the data has been altered. i'm working with a congressman and with a member of the house of representatives, as well as the fbi and justice department to change this from happening. because i think the most important thing is patient safety. >> larry: is it ignorance or do the doctors know they're doing wrong? >> doctors are ignorant because you can't believe everything you read. that's what's happening in medical literature. medical lit lit has turns into reading a mystery novel. on all sorts of things. i mean, pain medication. >> larry: you have a lot of clout, don't you? >> i don't have much clout, but i know people who have clout. be. >> larry: hopefully, keep us posted on the war. >> i will. >> larry: was michael happy with the way he looked? >> absolutely. i mean, michael, they painted him as a very sad creature like, you know, charlie chaplain and something. >> larry: he loved chaplin.

>> we once went to disneyland. it was disneyland paris. at night he brought michael chapman. he loved the way he walked because he walked like charlie chaplain. so he took a cane and starts imitating the way michael chaplain walks. every time michael would turn around, michael jackson would hide the cane. he's very funny like that. i spent christmas eve with him with carrie fisher and his kids only the wanted to meet princess leia. that's all they wanted. he played with her and the kids on the floor because he was a person who was both the father and he loved him here dearly. >> larry: we're going to talk about debbie rowe in a minute. but i want to ask, is it true what we hear about how bright he was? >> michael? loish . >> larry: uh-huh. >> michael was probably one of the most talented people. there are producers who he gave ideas to who told me if only they had listened to him. but he wasn't educated in the way -- >> larry: but he was intelligent? >> oh, beyond. fred astaire told me he was the greatest dancer of our time. >> larry: astaire said that? >> yes, and i mean if you heara

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>> larry: now, the debbie rowe part of the story. she was your nurse, right? >> yes. >> larry: they met i guess in your office? >> yes. >> larry: was it a real love affair? >> i don't know what love is. in that sense of the imagination. i think that she loved him very much. she admired him very much. but if you think they're running off in a horse-drawn carriage, i mean, we have to put what is a

normal relationship. we go back to marie bone na part who once said to danny cay, he said what do you have to tell me that's different. and she didn't even know who danny kaye was. be found cured which means who have us is normal. what is normal? i'll tell you, was that a love affair, you want to know. i think she really cared about his welfare. i think she -- >> larry: it was not a sexual relationship? >> i think they did have sex. >> larry: you do? >> yes. i really do. i can't guarantee that. i think they did have sex in their relationship. >> larry: you think michael had sex to father the children? >> i don't know that answer, i would think, you know, that it's possible that he did. i can't guarantee that. you can only guarantee things you see. i don't want to make any suppositions about anything in this interview, because i want this to be as truthful as possible. >> larry: now, what about all the rumors about you and the fathering of those children? >> here's the most important thing. michael loved those children as a father.

those children loved him as a father. as far as i'm concerned, that's the most important grouping there is. >> larry: that's not answering the question. >> no, because i'm not going to answer it the way you want me to answer. >> larry: well, you can say no. >> i can say no then. i'll say no, if that's what you want to hear. >> larry: no, i want to hear what you know. >> what's most important about this whole thing to end this thing is that the most important thing is who the father is who the father is, who the children want their father to be. i will tell you this, i will say, no, because the most important person for these children is how michael loved them. and how he loved his children and how they loved him. because they would never pass him without saying, i love you daddy. he would say, i love you. never seen such emotional -- >> larry: earlier today, you said you couldn't answer that one way or the other. >> i still can't answer it absolutely one way or the other. >> larry: that means you donated sperm? >> i once donated sperm. i don't know -- >> larry: you donated to him.

>> oh, absolutely not. once to a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal affairs. because i think to the best of my none, i'm not the father. i want to tell you that this discussion, however, is between michael's children and this person. it's not to be discussed who the father is over national television. >> larry: it's nobody's business. >> it's no one's business. >> larry: except he's become the public's business. isn't this a fact of life? >> let me tell you something, there's something called private lives. noel coward wrote about that. so can't we leave this alone? can't we leave these children alone? these are brilliant, talented children. forget this, understand, this man loved these children. these children loved him. >> larry: you don't feel you have to take a dna test to prove anything? >> if they want a dna test, i will take a dna test. i don't care at this point. >> larry: your concern is the kids. >> my concern are the kids. because i've never met children like this. they're the brightest children i've ever met. the best behaved children i've ever met. they come over to my house, they behave wonderfully. i know how deeply he loved them and how deeply they loved him.

>> larry: that's obvious. >> i don't want to destroy this relationship in any way, shape or form. i'll tell you this, no matter what, i will protect these children. >> larry: how are you personally, arnie klein, dealing with all of this surrounding you? paparazzi following you? >> i ignore it all. i ignore it all. because you know what -- >> larry: stories that you're the father. i mean, come on, you can't put it away. >> i know. but you have to understand i've been through a few things in my life. i've been through debbie rowe marrying michael. i've been through the pregnancy before. the botox. i've been through enough nonsense in my life. understand? this is just another episode. this is a little bigger because they're following me for a change but i think it's all sensationalism. but it's happening to the world. we should more worry about what's happening at the fda and drugs existing all over the playgrounds of high schools than what's happening to this and me. >> larry: you wanted to tell me something about michael and ryan

white, the young boy dying of aids. >> michael wanted to bring ryan white to neverland. and his plastic surgeon, a brilliant surgeon, said you can't bring him in the jacuzzi because you might catch aids. >> larry: you're kidding? >> honest to god. michael called me, will i catch aids if i go in the jacuzzi with ryan white. i said, no way. he was very good friends with ryan white until he died. that's what people don't know. >> larry: did he go in the jacuzzi? >> absolutely. because you know what? he really cared. i have a brother who's learning disabled. he always asks me every time he sees me, how is stephen doing? so i want to tell you, this is a person who really cared about other people. he's unlike anyone i ever met. >> larry: did you go to the memorial service? >> i couldn't. i watched it on television and it was still too emotional for me. because i understand you know, who he was. i thought it was a very beautiful service. i know you were there, you know, as much ass like that, my father was a rabbi, and i do not do

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>> larry: we're back with dr. arnie klein. how did the story you think surface but and fatherhood and all? where did that come from. >> i don't have any idea, whether it came from debbie rowe, i have no idea where it came from. >> larry: could it have come from debbie rowe. >> absolutely, i got on the phone to her as soon as michael passed away. i told her i didn't want to see in three years, the children doing the next version of the jackson 3. dancing away. because these children are bright. they've gone to film school. >> larry: so you think she said something about it. >> i don't know that, but all i told her was this. i wanted her to get active and

be the mother if she is the mother of these children. >> larry: do you think she should have custody. >> i don't know if she should have custody but i'm very worried that the custody play go into a situation that's incorrect. this woman grace was their nanny who was incredible. she should remain their nanny and help raise the children. i worry about the jackson family only because i worry slightly about the father. >> larry: in what way? >> that he was very difficult to deal with mike the. they announces his new record label at the memorial as you remember. and they seem more and more interested in making money than dealing with. >> larry: what do you think of the rest of the family? >> i think janet is wonderful who i happen to know. i know randy. he seems nice to me. but i think they're going to go on and put a performance on again because what they want to do is they want to perform. >> larry: they're performers. >> yeah, they're performers but you heard some speeches yesterday from a very controversial speakers i think the most wonderful speech was a

person i thought would come the least was al sharpton when he talked about michael's history. michael was having fights with yesterday. i just want to assure that debbie rowe or someone take good care of these gifts from god. >> larry: is katherine the stronghold of the family? >> i think she is. but she's -- how would old she now? >> larry: 79. >> do you think it's difficult for a 79-year-old to raise adolescent children? >> larry: yeah, so that has -- >> that would be my question. also, debbie rowe has gained her rights back to the children. now, you may not think she's the best person in the world, having worked with her for 25 years, as a nurse, she can be a very loving person. if she's combined with grace, it could be a wonderful combination. but you know what? i can't make these decisions, nor do i want to. >> larry: have you gone to see the family? >> i have not gone to see the family. because i didn't want to go see the family, because i had difficulty with jesse jackson, whom i don't know very well.

nor reverend al sharpton, who i don't know very well. once the family invites me to visit them, because i'd love to see the children. i have to get invited to visit. >> larry: what do you think will happen to michael's body? >> i believe in a burial. >> larry: neverland? >> wherever they want to put the body. because, i mean, i believe firmly that he should be buried. i'm an orthodox jew. once you die, the body just a body. it belongs in the ground. >> larry: orthodox bury the next day. >> i know. in my view he should have been buried already. they want to keep him stored in neverland until they bury it. i think you have to put an end to the carnival atmosphere. i think it's time to put the body in the ground and get on with the rest of the world and get on with the great things that he's done. remember how he changed the world in such a positive manner. >> larry: arnie, will you come back? >> absolutely. >> larry: i'd like to look into your mind on lots of things,

including when we do shows on treatment with drugs. we have panel shows coming up. >> i'd love to. i'm not a drug expert. i'm only an expert on injectables. >> larry: appreciate it. we want to thank the millions of you who watch cnn here in the united states and around the world yesterday during our all-day coverage of the jackson memorial. we appreciate the online viewers, too. thanks to everyone out there for making cnn number one. when we come back, the little boy from "britain's got talent" who performed at jackson's memorial yesterday. he is here, next. dddddddd

>> larry: extraordinary young man joins us now, shaheen jafargholi. he was a finalist on "britain's got talent." he was on this program at that time. he performed at yesterday's michael jackson memorial. michael had invited shaheen to london for his upcoming tour. shaheen was a big hit tuesday. let's take a look at him singing michael's song "who's loving you."

♪ i want to make it, all my life ♪ ♪ all my life ♪ all my life ♪ now come on ♪ come on and take it girl come on and take it girl ♪ >> larry: how did they get you to do that? how did they call you? what happened? >> well, you know, michael was meant to be doing the tour dates because i was on "britain's got talent" he saw me on youtube and he wanted me to appear with him on his -- >> larry: in london. >> yes, in london. and so you know, unfortunately he passed away. and so they were setting up a memorial, very short notice, you know. and they were discussing it with kenny ortega, the guy who was going to direct the show in london, and, you know, they

thought it would be a great idea for me to perform there. he used to watch me on youtube every day. he used to really like me. >> larry: did you like the idea? >> when i first went, i couldn't believe it. i was to be honest, honored to be invited. when i found out i was in the o-2 date, that was amazing as well. >> larry: you were going to sing in that concert. >> i was going to be singing a duet of "feel the world" with him. >> larry: so they flew you over and you rehearsed. what did it feel like to perform at the memorial. >> i just felt really honored. i'd been given the opportunity and the chance to say good-bye to my idol and my hero in a way that no other person on earth ever could. i had a great opportunity. i'm just really glad it happened. >> larry: how old are you? >> i'm 12. >> larry: what's the background of the name? jafargholi? >> i'm half iranian. >> larry: born in london? >> no, born in wales which is a small country in london. >> larry: you live there now? >> yeah, i live in wales.

>> larry: what's your goal? >> i think it's just to keep doing what i'm doing. to sing and you know, just record maybe, just be out there and be able to show people how much i love to do this. >> larry: you have extraordinary talent. do you dance? >> well, i'm not saying i can't dance but you know, my main strong point is singing, and that's just basically what i love to do all the time. i just love getting the chance to get up on the stage and sing to lots of people. >> larry: when you were singing, berry gordy was singing right in front of me, the famed founder of motown. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> larry: so i leaned over to him and i said, did you know who kid this kid is and he said, i don't know who this is, but if i had a record company, i'd sign him tomorrow. do you have a recording contract? >> not at the moment. i mean, we're waiting to see what's going to happen with me in the future. i mean, hopefully, you know, i'll be able to carry on singing basically just get better and progress.

>> larry: are you good at school? >> i'm like really high level at school. i love going to school. i just love being normal and being with my friends and, you know, just sitting in. i love going from one extreme to the other. >> larry: do you vocalize every day? >> i sing all the time. i sing to myself. i just forget, sometimes. >> larry: you just start singing. i'm going to have you sing in a minute. when you're 12, couldn't your voice change? >> well, everybody, every person goes through that change. but when i was on the show, "britain's got talent" the vocal coach said i can hear in your voice that it is going to obviously break, which everyone thinks, i think it's going to break but get stronger. >> larry: more tenor or less tenor. >> more tenor. >> larry: sing something for us. anything. you walk down the street and sing. sing. >> i'll sing "who's loving you." >> larry: okay. we have about 45 seconds.

go. ♪ when i had you ♪ i treated you bad oh, my dear ♪ ♪ and i wonder who's loving you ♪ >> larry: it was that natural to you as a kid? when did you start singing, when you were 5, 6 years old? >> in front of an audience, yes. but ever since i could talk. i mean, i was always singing words to all of my favorite songs. seemed to just stick in my head. i mean, my mom always used to play lots of motown and michael jackson around me so i grew up listening to all these amazing songs. >> larry: you have an extraordinary future in front of you. you're quite a young man. proud to know you. >>