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so often get left behind. >> john king reporting. i'm wolf blitzer. john king will be back next sunday. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight a daughter bears her soul, a brother shares his grief. >> michael, when you left us, a part of me went with you. >> larry: a friend reveals her fame. >> michael was one of a kind. >> larry: a star studded and somber salute to the king of pop who brings the world to tears. ♪ >> much as we may feel, and we
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do, we need michael here with us, god must have needed him far more. ♪ michael >> larry: as legends pledge to keep his memory alive forever. >> the world will never, ever forget michael jackson. >> larry: we have many guests here smiling through their sorrow next on "larry king live." ♪ >> larry: what a morning. we were honored to be invited by the jackson family in the third row and witness an incredible
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two hours, a little over two hours to put this program together. they did it in a pretty quick fashion. it was brilliantly done. we also want to compliment the los angeles police. 3,000 of them on duty today. what a job. no incidents. incredible day. we got a lot of people to talk to. one of the most incredible moment that's took place in the staples center was taken by our first guest, reverend al sharpton who tore it up. going to show you a brief moment of it and we'll talk to him about it. watch. >> i want his three children to know, there wasn't nothing strange about your dady. it was strange what your daddy had to deal with. michael rose to the top! he outsang his sentence. he outdanced his ballad. he outperformed the passiveness. every time he got knocked down, he got back up.
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michael never stopped. michael never stopped! >> larry: was that your finest moment? >> i don't know. >> did you feel it? did you feel it? >> larry: you were crying. >> i cried because i really loved michael. i love what michael did for the world. i wanted to speak up for him. he was controversy. i really wasn't thinking about my moment. i was thinking i had an opportunity to speak to somebody that did a lot more than he was given credit for. >> larry: do you credit him for paving the way in a lot of the civil rights movement? you weren't excluding jackie robinson. >> i'm more michael's generation. so in my time, i'm four years ho older than michael. he expanded where king and
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jackie robinson and others had done on a cultural level. dr. king and the civil rights, michael was culturement by creating that culture, robinson in sports, by creating a cultural comfort, i was saying that michael made people comfortable with each other. they made other moves they may not have made without that cultural comfort. >> larry: what's your critique of the event today? >> i think it was a marvelous event. it was almost flawless. there were no incidents. i thought the class, the leverage that was done with the family should be given all the credit. ken sunshine should be given a lot of credit. and i think that michael would have been pleased. i don't think people understood that he was a perfectionist. he did not thing donz that were not up to par. >> how did you think -- did you meet with the family after? >> i saw them after. you know, like i said in the
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speech, people, you know, get all these crazy images. joe jackson and catherine jackson went against the odds and made a working class family. 11 of them in gary, indiana in four rooms and joe working two jobs, their kids having a dream. and the talent that came out of that family, five poise that went to the top then janet and latoya. the problem is the most talented family we've seen with those two people sitting there making it work. i give a lot of credit to joe jackson. >> larry: here is michael's daughter paris. catherine again talking through her tears about her dad. >> ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. and i just want to say i love
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him. so much. >> larry: what did you think of that? >> that touched everyone. and i think you couldn't script that. she's not using a prompter. this is a young lady. if you saw her, they had really said they wanted janet jackson to speak. and janet kind of brought her forward. and she spoke from the heart about her father. i think she made the whole world understand how human michael jackson is. >> larry: there were ups and downs at the end. he hadn't performed in a while. was going to go to london. what's his legacy? what are you going to say? >> i think michael as he transformed pop culture. i think he brought pop culture to another level. they had people of every continent imitating him and therefore making people cultural
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comfortable. i think that michael pioneered mammoth efforts toward world hunger. we are the world is the thing that i think inspired live aid and others, at least energized them. i think in many areas that michael had inspired as well as with his business. i think that sometimes people have to go to the next level of existence to get their credit. in my own life, i said that happened to james brown. i think michael will just begin to see how significant michael jackson was. it is sad. i think that the worst, even with your daddy you don't get the credit. >> there isn't anyone there today that could not say you were not anything but spectacular. >> thank you very much. >> larry: michael jackson called two women mom, one was his mother catherine, the other was dionne warwick. she joins us next. ♪ why, why
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incredible jennifer hudson. that's a voice that would make some singers say i pass, i quit the business. we welcome to "larry king live" this special edition tonight. the brilliant dionne warwick, more hits than anyone i know. and a close friend of the jackson family. and damon eliot, dionne's son, a friend of michael since childhood, in fact, was writing a song with michael just before his death. what did you think of the event? >> well, it was probably one of the most emotional mornings and afternoons that i spent in a very long time. it was done with a great deal of style and class. it ran like a piece of glass. >> larry: befitting the man they honored? >> no doubt. >> larry: he would've liked it? >> he would've loved it. he would've loved it. >> larry: how did you and michael hook up, damon?
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>> well, we shared moms. when i was very little i used to beg her, probably at least once a week, mom, you have to take me out to the house, you have to take me out to the house. and she'd say i'm on tour right now, baby, but when we get home we'll see michael. and one day we did and i think he showed up in my living room. >> larry: you were writing a song at his death? >> yes, i was working on music for the new record that i was going to get over to jermaine. and the night before he passed away, it's crazy we were writing a song. >> larry: we saw it earlier, but it was a powerful moment. here again michael's daughter paris katherine talking about her father. >> ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine.
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and i just wanted to say i love him. so much. >> larry: did she plan to talk, dionne, do you know? i don't have an idea. i think she spoke instead of janet. i think -- it tore my heart out. >> larry: how did you think the other kids handled the service? >> i think everybody handled it very well, all of the children. being a child of celebrity, you're watched by the world. and i could only imagine somebody this large being the child? >> larry: what was it like for you being a child of a celebrity? >> you're watched by the world. but it was actually quite normal being insulated from a lot of the craziness.
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mom did a great job. >> larry: it was a family gathering at forest lawn before the center memorial. were you there? >> no. >> larry: do you know what that was about? >> i think was to actually have the service itself prior to his internment. >> larry: did you know that they would bring the casket out? >> i had no clue. that was really a surprise. >> i knew one of the family members kind of let me know. >> larry: shocked the crowd. >> yeah, it did. still shocked me even though i kind of knew. >> larry: michael's brother jermaine and marlon also talked at the service. listen. >> i'm lost for words. i was his voice and his backbone, i had his back, so did the family. but we thank you, that's all i can say, we thank you very much. we would never, never understand what he endured. not being able to walk across the street without a crowd gathering around him. being judged, ridiculed, how much pain can one take?
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maybe now, michael, they will leave you alone. >> larry: do you think they will, dionne? do you think that will go away? >> the media? no. it won't go. >> larry: they're still going to talk about him? >> what else do they have to do? you know, as far as i'm concerned. >> larry: how did he handle all of that? >> media? >> larry: yeah. >> well, like every celebrity. i think certain things probably definitely affected him. >> larry: did you talk about it much? >> no, no, we didn't talk about it. >> larry: he would never bring up a tabloid? >> no. >> larry: still to come, by the way, john mayer, patty austin. back with them in 60 seconds.
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>> larry: we're back on a special edition of "larry king live." there were many great moments during today's memorial. each one stands on its own. a lasting tribute to the musician and the man. watch. >> this is a moment that i wished i didn't live to see come. but as much as i can say that and mean it, i do know that god is good.
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[ applause ] and i do know that as much as we may feel and we do, that we need michael here with us. god must have needed him far more. we can't help but love you forever, michael. >> you believed in michael, and he believed in you. he made you believe in yourself. i loved him all my life. ♪ i never dreamed >> i truly believe that michael made me a better point guard and basketball player as i watched him be so great and be the greatest entertainer ever. ♪ come back home >> you just don't think that you are going to see or you'll live to see him gone.
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but he will never really be gone. he is going to live forever and ever and ever and ever. ♪ you said you would be in the autumn ♪ ♪ you said you'd be the one to lead the way ♪ >> larry: stevie wonder ain't bad. read my blog comments about the michael jackson memorial go to cnn.com/larryking. back with dionne and damon right after this. so what do you think?
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♪ i know the truth and words will be our salvation ♪ ♪ lift up our hearts to be thankful ♪ >> larry: lionel ritchie in top form today. dionne warwick and her son damon eliot with us. by the way we spoke of michael's childhood, brooke shields was a close friend. very emotional when she paid tribute. watch. >> we had a bond. and maybe it was because we both understood what it was like
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being in the spotlight from a very, very young age. yes, it may have seemed very odd to outside. but we made it fun and we made it real. when he started wearing the glove, i was like, what's up with the glove? both of us needed to be adults very early, but when we were together, we were two little kids having fun. although our hearts are aching, we need to look up where he is undoubtedly perched in a crescent moon, and we need to smile. [ applause ] >> larry: in a crescent moon,
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never heard it put like that. >> that's from her heart. everything that was done today. >> larry: dionne, everyone knows what a great singer you are. how great a singer was michael jackson? singer, pure singer? >> he could sing. it was more than the magic of everything else that he did. he was a brilliant singer. >> larry: in other words, taking on that alone, because you can be dazzled by dazzle, right? >> exactly, but no -- you have to listen to the ballads they sang. >> larry: what was he like to work with? working on a song together? what was that experience like? >> well, from a distance i got to work with michael. i mostly worked through jermaine, who was another amazing talent. but all the brothers, you know, they have so much conviction and so much feeling in their delivery.
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and michael was like the greatest teacher to all of us, producers, dancers, singers, song writers. he had it all. he would come in and beat box a melody and you'd try to emulate it on a drum machine and it was impossible. >> larry: speaking of jermaine. >> yeah. >> larry: he took a charlie chaplain tune that's gone through a rebirth. everybody sings it now. people record it instrumentally. it was michael's favorite song, charlie chaplain's "smile" sung by jermaine. ♪ that's the time you must keep on trying ♪ ♪ smile what's the use in crying ♪ ♪ you'll find that life is still
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worthwhile if you just smile ♪ >> i love you, michael. >> larry: what an appropriate song. >> it's what michael was about. smiling. >> larry: i forgot how good a singer jermaine is. he did an amazing job. >> yes, he did. yes, he did. >> larry: all right, dionne, what's his legacy? michael jackson's legacy? >> we all know his music, of course. but -- >> larry: 50 years from today? >> the wonderful things he did for this entire world. i think he brought a new insight as to things we really should be paying attention to. and he did it brilliantly.
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seven-time grammy winner john mayer. he performed a -- "human nature" at today's memorial at the request of the jackson family and played brilliant guitar, didn't sing today. and didn't -- what an honor it must have been. you didn't know michael and the family invites you. >> it's a why me sort of situation? yeah. >> larry: what did you say? >> well, the first thing i said was a question, does this really come from the family? i think that was essential to me sort of processing the honor, you know. and when i found out that, in fact, it had, it took me about 48 hours to sort of strike the balance in how i was going to approach being, you know, being invited to this unbelievable event. without actually having the proximity to michael jackson personally. i'd never met him. >> larry: that's what added to
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it though, what did he mean to you then, performer to performer? >> wow, you know, i come from a generation that sort of gets told one way or another we're born at the wrong time. people said 20 years ago you could have done this and this and that. and to know that, you know, in my early years and my generation's earlier years, we were handed sort of down through mtv and the radio. something like "thriller." imagine your first record. you don't pick music the first five years that, you know, you're running around a little kid. the tv and the radio picks music for you, and what a blessing to have the music that just streams through in your house be a master work. that's sort of -- that was my connection to it, i think, that's what allowed me to walk up to the stage and feel -- >> larry: and did you. john performed an instrumental version of michael's "human nature." here's some of it.
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♪ ♪ >> larry: do you like playing guitar as much as singing? >> i like it more. >> larry: more? >> yeah, i don't have a great vocal range. in fact, it's actually helped me out in song writing. i don't know -- i have to write my own songs to be able to appreciate or get anything out of my pretty limited vocal range, but on the guitar i'm able to sort of, it's limitless for me, it's as long as the neck is. i can go anywhere i want. the decision is to not sing is out of i think knowing what's best for me, it's quite a mine
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field to go into trying to in any way replicate vocally what michael jackson has done. and in a way it was sort of respectfully leaving an absence, you know, sort of the presence of his absence. >> larry: what do you think of usher's voice? >> unbelievable. he was unbelievable. >> larry: usher gave a moving performance, he sang "gone too soon," walked down to the casket. watch. ♪ comet blazing across the evening sky ♪ ♪ gone too soon ♪ like a rainbow fading in a twinkling eye ♪ ♪ gone too soon
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>> larry: what did you think when he walked down to the casket? >> very moving, you know. everybody had a different relationship. he sings as if there was a real personal bond there, but i don't know, but that's the magic of music. that's all you need to know. >> larry: what did you think of the whole thing today? >> all i could keep thinking other than, you know, just sharing the why me with my fans and representing them was how humanizing it was. you know, michael jackson wasn't super human, he was extra human, but nobody's super human. and i think everybody who watched the service, i think by the end of it, the best service of all is the service done to michael jackson to sort of render him finally as being a human being. did you feel that when you were there? >> larry: well said. did you twitter about it yet?
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>> i didn't. again -- i didn't do any -- just trying to be, again, respecting the proximity or lack thereof to michael jackson, and we are connected through our music. >> larry: sure are. >> when my grandmother died several years ago, she was a nurse in her younger years and lucky enough to be the last in her world to go, which meant it was pretty empty funeral. and right in the middle there were two registered nurses, way too young to have ever worked with her. but the hospital had sent two nurses because they were connected as nurses. and that's sort of what i referenced in allowing myself to enjoy being there without saying why are you here? >> larry: smartest thing they did inviting you. >> thank you. >> larry: thank you, john. john mayer. one of the musical powers behind "we are the world" speaks for the first time publicly about the death of his friend michael jackson next.
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i loved his music. ♪ i'll be there ♪ just call my name, i'll be there ♪ ♪ i'll be there ♪ just look over your shoulder, honey ♪ ♪ i'll be there >> larry: and now welcome an old friend, one of the great entertainers ever, harry belafonte from new york. they worked together, michael jackson, "we are the world." did you watch that today, harry? >> yes, i watched most of it, larry, and it was quite a moving experience to see so many people turned out. and they turned out in a gracious way. there was no pushing, shoving, everybody came. everybody understood the moment and i thought it went very well. >> larry: how did you and michael come together on "we are the world?" >> well, for a long time i'd been watching the continent of africa wither under the devastation of the famine and the drought and literally
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hundreds of thousands of people were dying. and the world at large watched with a great indifference, and feeling that we had to awaken human spirit, and become engaged in this -- -- in this great holocaust so to speak. i turned to artists and said, "we have a job to do." and when michael decided to step to the table, he brought the greatest gift of all. he and lionel ritchie wrote the song. without that truly remarkable song, there would have been nothing for us to say. and without his power to call upon all of the superstars of the world, let's sing it together and focus on our fellow beings. i don't think that campaign would have been as successful as it was. he did a remarkable job. >> larry: the performers that michael wished to go on tour with sang "we are the world" at the memorial today. let's listen. let's watch a little. ♪ we are the world, we are the children ♪
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♪ we are the ones who make a brighter place ♪ ♪ so let's start giving ♪ let's start giving ♪ there's a choice we're making ♪ ♪ we're saving our own lives ♪ it's true ♪ we make a better day just you and me ♪ ♪ we are the world ♪ we are the children ♪ we are the one whose make a brighter day ♪ ♪ so let's start giving >> larry: we don't have much time today, we hope to have you back soon to go over more of this. but one other quick thing. why? why was his appeal so strong everywhere in the world? >> i think that he came along at a time when he struck a chord where the world needed a sense of coming together. and that's one thing that was very representative in michael's life. he had the capacity to bring people together. they felt an urgency with him to find one another. and i think that gift was
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displayed everywhere. he brought people together, and that's what people need to feel. >> larry: harry, you are an amazing person. keep on keeping on, we'll be back together soon. thanks, harry. >> love you, larry. >> larry: harry belafonte, no one like him. if you'd like to say something to the jackson family, go to our website cnn.com/larryking, click on blog and start typing. might see your comments on the bottom of the screen. back in 60. flexible new programs personalized to meet your goals. what's great about nutrisystem is you eat the foods you love and you lose weight. i'm dan marino. i lost 22 pounds on nutrisystem and i've kept it off for three years. for a limited time, get an extra three weeks of meals free! that's right, you can get an extra 21 breakfasts, lunches, dinners, desserts, and snacks. that's 105 meals free!
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>> larry: everybody that knew michael jackson speaks of the impact he had on the planet. the end of today's memorial was marked by a moving performance of heal the world, a theme he returned to again and again in his music. he said he was most proud of this song. listen. ♪ make it a better place ♪ for you and for me and the entire human race ♪ ♪ there are people dying if you care enough for the living, make a better place for you and for me ♪ ♪ oh, we are the world ♪ make it a better place ♪ heal the world ♪ make it a better place
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♪ for you and for me and for the entire human race ♪ ♪ there are people dying ♪ if you care enough for the living make a better place for you and for me ♪ ♪ heal the world ♪ make it a better place ♪ for you and for me and the entire human race ♪ ♪ there are people dying if you care enough for the living ♪ ♪ make a better place for you and for me ♪ing >> larry: what a mourning. what a morning. patty austin performed with michael and knew him for decades. she's going to share her personal memories next when we come back.
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before we meet patty austin, gotham chopra, let's go up on the roof and my man anderson cooper, what a day, anderson, what's up tonight? patty, you knew him for 30 years. >> boy, did that go by fast. >> larry: tell me about him. >> good heavens, the first time i worked with michael was on "the wiz." he was incredibly shy. he was walking around with a little notebook, and if anybody said anything clever or that he didn't quite understand it went
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in the notebook. and the research began. and that was my first -- any kind of meeting i had with michael was about that. >> larry: and that perfection remained throughout? >> all the way through, all the way through. and then, we never spoke during all of this. he have would kind of look at me from across the studio. if i'd say something funny, he'd write it down, if anybody would say something clever, he'd write it down. we never started to converse until we worked together on "off the wall." and we were at quincy's one day. and we were in the den, and quincy got a phone call and he left the room. and i went into a state of terror because i sat alone in a room with michael. the person who never spoke. and i'm trying to figure out what do i do? >> larry: what happened? >> i picked up a magazine and started reading it. and there was a very pregnant
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pause. and michael looked at me and said, i heard you like to shop. >> larry: great line. can't top that. elegant and dig. on of us, i don't think, were sure who to expect, but it was beautiful, and i think it was emotional, and it was a nice way to say good-bye, but it was difficult, especially towards the end there. >> were you surprised today? >> no, i was really happy for the event. i think aeg did a great job. >> larry: they did. >> it was nice it was done at the place where he last performed on stage. i think that's meaningful in a way. i just think everyone did a great job. they all talked about how much love and what kind of person he was, and i'm glad now the world knows that we're going to miss a good man. >> larry: difficult for you at times? >> ridiculous. >> larry: motown founder berry
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gordy paid this tribute to michael today. watch. >> the more i think and talk about michael jackson, i feel the king of pop is not big enough for him. i think he is simply -- i think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived. >> larry: what a day. would you agree with that statement, patti? >> yes, but i have to add to that because this is something michael and i talked about all the time. michael was an amalgamation of some really tremendous talent. michael studied the greats that came before him. the thing that i think separated him from those people -- >> larry: talking about sammy davis, jr. >> these are people he used to talk about and the things they did that were brilliant. he could take a piece of each of those people and blend it into this magnificent quilt he turned out to be.
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>> larry: everyone involved today is going to feel an emptiness. i guess, miko, you feel the most, right? >> i feel like i lost my friend. i lost my whole world. he was just -- he was the man for me. i couldn't stand it. >> larry: why are you sitting with two hands under the table? >> first of all -- >> larry: i have been looking at
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this. >> i'm going to read this, while i read this i want you to wear this while i read this. >> larry: you want me to wear this while you read it? >> look out, larry. >> smooth criminal. >> larry: this is your statement in the program. >> yes. my statement. i have lost my best friend, lost my best man at my wedding. my daughter loves her godfather, the brandos have lost a special family member and our hearts are numb and broken. i will never be the same but know in my heart and for the world his legacy will live forever. with all my love, miko and the brando family. >> larry: i ain't going to top that. patti, what did the hat mean to him? this hat.
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it was a prop. >> it was his astaire. his gene kelly. there's this taking that element that you see somebody that's brilliant do and go, ah, but wait until you get a load of this. >> it worked for him, right, gotham? this worked. >> there are so many things that are iconic about michael. we were reminded of all of those things today. i think what you're hearing -- i know i lost a friend, i lost a mentor. michael wrote my college -- wrote a letter of recommendation for me. probably the only reason i got into columbia university. >> larry: he wrote a letter of recommendation for you to go to columbia. >> yes, he did. >> larry: do you think it had any clout? >> i would think so. it probably has a lot of value. i need to get it back. >> larry: are we going to see imitator coming along, patti? >> they are already here. usher will be the first one to tell you. justin timberlake. everybody sings like michael. >> larry: they're all doing michael?
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>> they are all doing michael or stevie or james brown. you know. yeah. absolutely. the younger generation particularly is doing michael, male and female vocalists because that sound was very distinct. >> larry: i didn't ask you what you made of today. >> boy, heartbreaking. i really struggled with whether or not i wanted to attend this event for many reasons. >> larry: some people couldn't attend or wouldn't attend, didn't want to break down. >> i didn't want to break down. didn't want to look cheesy. the minute i walked in, i got there i'd say about 10, 15 minutes before the event started. i had no idea that everybody was in there. the reason i had no idea is it was stone silent. i have never felt that in my life. >> larry: it was. it was stone silent. >> it wasn't a sad silence, it was a silence of reverence. as i walked in, i saw many
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people i knew, and none of us said a word to each other. so we would never break that silence. there was a nod, a hug, a kiss but no dialogue. it was brilliant. >> larry: thank you all. we will be calling on all of you again. patti austin, brilliant. miko, what can we say? i'll give you the hat back. >> keep it on. >> larry: i will. it's effective. and gotham chopra, thank you. we leave you tonight with an incredible moment from a day filled with them. here is jennifer hudson singing "will you be there." ♪ free me ♪ i will be there ♪ whoa >> in our darkest hour in my
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deepest despair will you still care? will you be there? in my trials and my tribulations through our doubts and frustrations. in my violence, in my turbulence, through my fear and my confessions, in my anguish and my pains. through my joy and my sorrow in the promise of another tomorrow. i'll never let you part for you're always in my heart.
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