tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 14, 2009 1:00am-2:00am EDT
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wife. mother, father and big brother emerson are all doing well. emerson, congratulations. time now for ac 360. anderson? tonight a 360 exclusive. one-on-one with president obama in africa. part of an emotional and historical moment for the president and his family. the president in the crowd dancing in front of his kids until sasha tries to put an end to it. we walk through the castle with the presidents, literally retracing the steps that millions of enslaved africans took before being sent to the new world. we talked to the president of the impact of this place on his family and on america. first, our sit-down interview. a wide ranging discussion of the economy, don't ask/don't tell and afghanistan. when defense is underway, commanders say they don't have enough afghan spore and where three american servicemen have been killed since friday.
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this is the first time you have sent marines into combat. 21,000, 4,000 marines involved in helmand province. does it make you think differently about the conflict knowing you're the one who sent troops in? >> absolutely. it is the most profound decision i have made since i've been president. i think about it every day. i have to sign letters for those who are fallen. we've seen a rampup of fighting taking place in afghanistan. during the g-8 summit i was with gordon brown as he received news reports that you had additional british soldiers killed. the entire coalition is making enormous sacrifices and obviously, our soldiers are fighting hard. i want to make sure we have the best possible strategy to succeed in a very limited aim, and that is to ensure that al qaeda and its allies cannot
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launch attacks against the u.s. homeland and u.s. interests. >> on the economy, vice president biden said you misread the economy. you said, no, no, no. we had incomplete information. nevertheless you said you would not have done anything differently. that seems contradictory. if you had known unemployment was going to 9.5% wouldn't you have asked for more money in the stimulus? >> it is not contradictory. keep in mind we got an $800 billion stimulus package. the largest stimulus package approved by a united states congress. the stimulus package is working exactly as we had anticipated. we gave out tax cuts early so that consumers could start spending or at least pay down debt so they could at a later date start spending. we put in $144 billion to states so that they wouldn't have to
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cut teachers and police officers and other social services that are vital, particularly at a time of recession and we always anticipated that a big chunk of that money then would be spent not only in the second half of the year but also next year. this was designed to be a two-year plan and not a six-month plan. now, it may turn out that the enormous loss of wealth, the depth of the recession that's occurred requires us to re-evaluate and see what else we can do in combination with the -- >> possibly a second stimulus? >> well, there are a whole range of things, anderson, that we've done. the banks have stabilized much more quickly than we have anticipated. they're not all the way to where we would like them to be, but we've seen significant process. >> you still see glimmers of
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hope? >> if you look at both financial sectors, the ability of businesses to get loans, the drop-off of volatility that has taken place, the general trajectory is in the right direction. >> one more question before we go to africa, don't ask/don't tell. it requires an act of congress to overturn it. you say you want it to be overturned. your critics say, look, you could stop enforcement of don't ask/don't tell, you could defer enforcement. why not? >> i have had conversations with bob gates as well as admiral mullen about the fact i want to see this law changed. i also want to make sure that, "a," we are not simply ignoring a congressional law. if congress passes a law that is constitutionally valid then it's not appropriate for the executive branch simply to say we will not enforce a law. it is our duty to enforce laws.
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i do think that there's the possibility, though, that we change how the law is being enforced even as we are pursuing a shift in congressional policy. but look, the bottom line is, i want to see this changed. we've already contacted congressional allies. i want to make sure that it's changed in a way that ultimately works well for our military and for the outstanding gay and lesbian soldiers that are both currently enlisted or would like to enlist. >> do you personally have a timetable in mind of when you would like to see it changed? >> i would like to see it done sooner rather than later. we have begun a process to not only work it through congress but also to make sure that the pentagon has thought through all the ramifications of how this would be most effective. >> before we walk, i want to ask you one other question.
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you talked about this father on your trip. how much are your thoughts about africa affected by his story in kenya, with corruption and tribalism? >> his system but also my family's story which still continues, informs how i think about this. i'm reminded of the fact that on the one hand you have people of extraordinary talent and energy and drive. some of who have succeeded but others who have been blocked because they find themselves in the circumstances that africans all across the continent find themselves. can't get adequate school fees to get the education they need. try to get a job and turns out you have to pay a bribe to get that job. you know, living in small villages in which basic infrastructure still isn't provided and the public health system isn't adequate so that
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you are seeing children who at a very early age start having significant disadvantages. those are all things that i've seen and witnessed and those are stories that i've heard directly from people who i know. so when i think about these development issues, they're not abstractions to me. i can put a face and a name to what people are going through and that makes a difference. >> some of the images from ghana we saw while there as well. president obama's personal experience in africa next. you can join me on the live chat happening at ac360.com. when we come back -- my exclusive walk with the president through cape coast castle where so many enslaved africans died and so many visit to retrace their heritage. >> i think there is a special
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sense for african-americans somehow connecting up with a part of yourself that you might not have even been aware was there. also tonight, breaking news. a new arrest in the murder that shocked the country and left more than a dozen kids without a mom and dad. an arrest and word of more possibly to come. new details on the murders in florida. the investigation into michael jackson's death. la toya jackson's explosive allegations about his death. she says she knows who killed him that and more tonight on "360." o. there's the life i live. and the life i want to live. fortunately, there's enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, fatigue, and stop joint damage. because enbrel suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections,
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i was in ghana following president obama and his family. while they spent two days in the west african nation. i spoke with the president at cape coast castle where he took a tour with his family. he visited the dungeons where countless enslaved africans were held for shipment, literally shipment as human cargo to be send in bandage. the place is a haunting place, visited by many african-americans looking to retrace their roots. do you think what happened here still has resonance in america? that the slave experience is something that should be talked about and should be remembered and should be present in everyday life? >> i think the experience of slavery is like the experience of the holocaust. i think it's one of those things
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you don't forget about. i think it's important that the way we think about it and the way it's taught is not one in which there's simply a victim and a victimizer and that's the end of the story. i think the way it has to be thought about, the reason it's releva relevant, is because whether it's what's happening in darfur or what's happening in the congo or what's happening in too many places around the world, the capacity for cruelty still exists. the capacity for discrimination still exists. the capacity to think about people who are different not just on the basis of race but on the basis of religion or the basis of sexual orientation or gender still exists. so trying to use these kinds of extraordinary moments to widen
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the lens and make sure we're all reflecting on how we're treating each other i think is something i want my kids to think about and every child to think about. >> how did you explain it to sasha and malia? >> well, you try to explain that people were willing to degrade others because they appeared differently and you try to get them to engage in the imaginative act of what it would be like if they were snatched away from mom and dad and sent to some place they had never seen before. part of what you also try to do with kids is get them imagine themselves on the other side, as being the slave merchant and that slave merchant might have loved their children and gone to that place of worship right
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above the dungeon and get them to make sure they are constantly asking themselves questions about whether they are treating people fairly and whether they are examining their own behavior and how it affects others. >> they say this is the door of no return for african-americans revisiting ghana. i spoke to one african-american lady yesterday she said coming here was such a powerful experience she decided to move here. i know you've met with many african-americans who decided to move here. they say there is a sense of coming home. do you understand that feeling? >> well, you know, i will tell you the first time that i traveled to africa, i think that there is a special sense for african-americans of somehow connecting up with a part of yourself that you might not have even been aware was there. obviously for me it was
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different because i was directly meeting relatives and learning about a father i didn't know. but i do think there's a sense for a lot of african-americans that it's a profound life-changing experience. the interesting thing, though, is -- i've met a lot of white americans who have come to africa and say it was a life-changing experience for them, too. >> this is the home where everyone comes, right? >> there is a powerful sense of tapping into something very elemental. >> you sort of always come back? >> you do. later in the program we take you to a place where slavery still exists. more of the conversation with president obama on "360" tomorrow including serious questions about alleged war crimes in afghanistan, whether he supports an investigation. there were light moments as well, with the president specifically light gray. take a look. you're getting grayer. are you worried about it?
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>> as long as i have you as a role model, i'm okay. >> that and much more. michelle obama, descendants of slaves and slave owners and the president describes what happened with sasha and malia, met pope benedict. tomorrow night on our conversation on "360." light moments with bugs. you can read my tweets from the trip including a bug bite that made my eye swell shut before meeting with the president. kind of odd. a historic hearing on capitol hill, judge sonia sotomayor on the hot seat and firing back against republican critics. police make a new arrest in the murder of a florida couple known for adopting special needs kids. reality have merged. because of one word, a new generation-- a fifth generation-- of fighter aircraft has been born. because of one word, america's air dominance for the next forty years
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supreme court nominee sonia sotomayor in the hot seat. answering her strongest littics. the raw politics behind the confirmation on capitol hill. first randy kay with a "360" bulletin. randi? >> security is tight around christian places of worship in iraq after a wave of church bombings. the latest attack this morning happened when a car blew up around mosul. six churches in and around baghdad were bombed and left four people dead. president obama picked a world family practice doctor to be the next surgeon general. dr. regina benjamin has spent most of her career working with the poor and uninsured patients at a clinic in alabama, something president obama says makes her qualified for the job. the chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee says leon panetta testified on capitol hill he was told former vice president dick cheney ordered the agency not to brief congress
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lamont sumner jr. is the late to be arrested in this case. he was arrested after a routine traffic stop. he brings the number arrested in the case to four. three charged with murder. listen now to some sound we pulled from the press conference a short time ago from the sheriff. sounding very confident they could be wrapping this thing up. >> we are also encouraged by the information we have been receiving all day today and we expect more arrests to be imminent in this case. these seem to take on a life of their own at some point. again, we're very proud to announce we hope to bring all of the suspects we have identified early on in this case to justice very, very shortly. >> reporter: very shortly means they're expecting an arrest that could be as early as tomorrow. other persons of interest they're still looking f r anderson. >> they said this crime was carried out with precision. do we know anything about motive or how it was carried out?
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>> reporter: so far they are willing to say there was robbery as a motive for this. they say there is the possibility there were some other motives. they have not, however, been able to nail down or at least tell us they have any idea why this couple was murdered during this home invasion. they're willing to say this was a robbery motive. why were they killed? that still lingers and haunts this investigation. >> where are the kids, david? >> reporter: the kids are with family. i spoke to a family member who tells me the children are being well taken care of. they are being kept together, they are being maintained as a family and will be cared for in the future by family members. there were some provisions made, plans made in case something happened to the parents at some time. they are putting those plans into place to make sure these children are raised by their family and raised together. >> they say the motive might
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have been robbery. this does seem to have been executed with precision. >> reporter: that's right. that's something they've marveled at. the men that went into this house, they entered from the front and rear of the home almost simultaneously. they were in the house a total of four minutes, got what they needed and got out. that suggests there was some sort of planning, possibly even suggests they were familiar with the house, itself, but the sheriff has not said that to us. still, it shows there was a lot of planning. they were only on this property with their vehicles, two vehicles now, on this property for a total of ten minutes. they were in and out of that house in a remarkable amount of time. >> there has been a fourth arrest. we will continue to follow the story as it develops. many weighing in on our blog about it. join the chat at ac360.com. judging sonia sotomayor. the historic supreme court nominee in the hotseat speaking out against her critics. la toya jackson saying her brother was murdered and she knows who killed him.
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it's the first supreme court confirmation hearing of the obama presidency. if confirmed judge sonia sotomayor will become the first hispanic and only the third woman to serve on the supreme court. today she confronted her critics, faced protesters and said and said to strengthen, quote, the impartiality of our justice system. candy crowley has tonight's raw politics. >> reporter: her turn. >> i do. >> reporter: sotomayor on sotomayor. >> many senators have asked me about my judicial philosophy. simple. fidelity to the law. the task of a judge is not to make law, it is to apply the law. >> reporter: it is the crux of the matter. how does the judge judge? >> nothing less than our liberty is at stake.
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must judges set aside or may judges consider their personal feelings in deciding cases? a judicial impartiality a duty or an option? >> reporter: the legal and political framework for the week was set from the get-go. republicans suspicious of a nominee that says a why latina woman can make better judgments than a wise white man will factor prejudice into her decisions. >> i call it prejudice, sympathy, but whatever it is it's not law. it is more akin to politics. >> reporter: democrats intent on defending a judge with heavy duty credentials and a record they see as mainstream. >> there is not one law for one color or another. there's not one color for rich and a different one for poor. there's only one color. >> reporter: republicans tough but polite. the nominee took it in with her best poker face judge look and
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laid the groundwork for tuesday. >> my personal and professional experiences help me to listen and understand with the law always commanding the result in every case. >> reporter: all in all, a fairly high-minded discourse on judicial philosophy but the 19 lawmakers on the panel feel the strong undertow of politics, that includes the newly minted senator from minnesota who appears to have lost his standup comic gene. >> their definition of an activist judge is one who votes differently than they would like. >> reporter: politics, philosophy and one more thing, reality. >> unless you have a complete meltdown, you are going to get confirmed and i don't think you will. >> reporter: seriously, after having survived 17 years on the bench and 3 1/2 hours listening to senators, it seems unlikely she'll melt down now. candy crowley, cnn, washington. >> some politicians question who
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if ♪ my will be an activist judge. whitehouse quoted our own jeffrey toobin to make his point, listen. >> jeffrey toobin, a well respected legal commentator reported that, and this is a quote, in every major case since he became the nation's 17th chief justice, roberts has sided with the prosecution over the defendant, the state over the condemned, the executive branch over the legislative, and the corporate defendant over the individual plaintiff. >> well respected legal commentator and author of "the nine." jeffrey toobin joins us now. >> can i say one thing? >> yeah. >> that sheldon whitehouse has a big future. he is only in his first term. >> other than your name coming up during the proceedings, were there any surprises today? >> there was one big surprise to me. in the legal world, the hot-button issue of them all has been same-sex marriage.
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it was not mentioned today. i think it's a real illustration of how quickly the world is changing. in 2004 karl rove said that was the key to getting president bush re-elected is mobilizing his base on that issue. here both sides just stayed away from it. it is no longer the sure-fire winner that it was for republicans and they didn't challenge sotomayor on it at all. we'll see if they do tomorrow. >> is lindsey graham right that she is going to get the nomination? >> it is hard to see how she will lose. there are 12 democrats, seven republicans on the committee, 60 democrats, 40 republicans in the senate. you just do the math. there hasn't been a democrat who suggested voting against her. i don't see how she can lose. >> several republicans criticized president obama today saying when he was a senator he went after republican nominees for their ideology. why can't republican senators go after democratic nominees the same way? >> i think the republicans have an excellent point. i think both sides should talk about the ideology.
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the party in power always talks about the qualifications. the professional excellence. the party out of power always talks about ideology. these jobs are so important and the justices hold them for so long we should know something about their ideology. if senators don't like it, they should vote them down. >> there is central criticism that republicans are hitting on that she's going to let her personal experiences influence her judicial experience. we heard the comment about a wise latina. is it fair? >> that really seems like a stretch. if you look at her record, if you looked how she has ruled in discrimination cases in all those years on the bench. her record is similar to most other judges. she ruled for the defendants in most discrimination cases. it is true she was in -- her decision was overruled last month in the supreme court of the recchi case which involved the new haven firefighters.
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four justices agreed with her on the supreme court including david souter. that is hardly a big repudiation. i think that's going to be a very tough charge to make stick. >> jeff, stick around. i want to talk to you in a moment. new developments in the looming custody battle over michael jackson's kids. or potential custody battle. word tonight a deal may be in the works behind the scenes. a place where slavery still exists. the victims, kids, the conditions they are forced to live in, horrifying. we decide t. we just know. announcer: finding the moment that's right for you both can take some time. that's why cialis gives men with erectile dysfunction options: 36-hour cialis or cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache.
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there is word tonight the jackson family is negotiating behind the scenes with lawyers for debbie rowe the biological mother of michael jackson's two oldest kids. meantime, la toya jackson told the london tabloid she believes her brothers was murdered for his monday. randi kaye joins us. randi, there was supposed to be a hearing today for the jackson kids. got postponed for a second time. do we know why? >> a source close to the family told us that katherine jackson's attorney is trying to broker a deal regarding custody. this source told us the family is trying to sort out what they want from debbie rowe, michael jackson's ex-wife. we are told the family certainly wants her to give up any notion of custody and any visitation rights, but apparently the family is also trying to work out some nondisclosure agreement which jackson even had with rowe after they got divorced.
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she wasn't allowed to talk to the media about him or talk about her children. our source says the family may force rowe agree to not give anymore media interviews. >> has rrksz owe signaled whether she will agree to this or how much money is changing hands? >> rowe has showed she is willing to hear the family out and possibly agree to a deal just like this. michael jackson raised these kids all this time. she had visitation rights at one point but that never worked out. that never actually worked out. as far as money, absolutely part of the deal. there is quite a large payoff in the works. our source told us rowe stands to be paid, quote, many millions, if she agrees to give up any contact and any custody with her two children so the singer's mother, katherine, can actually raise them. >> what about this interview la toya jackson gave? la toya made comments about debbie rowe, her ex-sister-in-law.
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what did she say? >> that interview with la toya jackson took place last week. we confirmed she was paid for that interview. >> wow. big surprise there. >> yeah, i know. right. la toya is quoted as saying in the article, these are not debbi's kids. they don't know she is their mother. like everyone else in his life she was motivated by money. we tried to reach debbie rowe through her attorneys but our calls were not returned. he's the other headline. the paper said la toya told the paper, quote, i believe michael was murdered. u felt that from the start. she actually used the word murder. according to the article, la toya blamed a, quote, shadowy entourage and said her brother's handlers saw him as a, quote, cash cow and fed him addictive drugs to control his moods. here is what the reporter who
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interviewed la toya told larry king tonight about the control his handlers appeared to have. >> joe jackson went to the front door on many occasions she told me. they went to the front gate. he wouldn't let them in. when la toya called the house she couldn't speak to her brother. this is all very suspicious. >> did this article in "the daily mail" offer any information about the circumstances surrounding his death? >> the reporter said la toya told her jackson was not found in his bed. as you know, that has been widely reported since day one. he was in a nearby bedroom belonging to his personal physician, dr. conrad murray. murray, we already know and confirmed has been interviewed twice by investigators. his car was examined but later returned to him. we don't know what was found if anything inside it. dr. murray's spokesperson said in response of la toya's comments, quote, that is just not true. dr. murray administered cpr on michael jackson in michael jackson's room. i'm not sure where la toya is
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getting that. didn't comment on the fact she saw an intravenous drip stand and oxygen canisters lining the walls. >> any result on the toxicology report? >> the l.a. county coroner told cnn today results from jackson's autopsy could be announced early as friday but looking more likely midweek last week. we are staying on top of it. >> let's dig deeper. senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. last week joe jackson said foul play may have been involved. that was a paid interview. or an interview where somebody paid for pictures. we just heard la toya jackson in another paid interview went further by saying it was a murder and a, quote, conspiracy of people led to his death. what do you make of this? >> i don't make much of it. i really am so skeptical of this. think of the facts and circumstances we know. there is no suggestion that somebody intentionally killed michael jackson. this is just nonsense as far as i can tell. yes, there may be questions
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about the quality of medical care he got, yes, possible negligence involved or something like that. murder seems completely -- >> so murder is different than homicide? >> in layman's terms, murder is intentional homicide. murder is someone intentionally killing someone. >> if he died of a drug overdose and given prescriptions he shouldn't have had or too many or intravenous, whatever drugs, if he was given drugs intravenously to put him to sleep or put him in a sleep-like state, that is appropriate, that wouldn't be murder? >> that certainly wouldn't be murder. you could accuse someone of manslaughter, unintentional taking of a life. remember, there's a lot more any investigator would need to know including what role jackson, himself, played in getting the drugs to him. i mean, that's a big issue in this case. >> if you track down what doctors gave him what drugs,
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what could they be charged with? >> they could be charged with some sort of professional misconduct which could result in the loss of their license. they could be sued civilly by jackson's estate or a criminal charge for some sort of manslaughter. but, again, i don't want to assume any misconduct on the part of these doctors until there is a lot more evidence. >> in terms of the custody, i don't know how many times debbie rowe can give up custody of these kids. allegedly she did it once before for a sum of money and got it back and now there may be negotiations behind the scenes. i don't know if that is true. it is one source telling us this. what happens? i mean, what happens in terms of the custody? >> well, michael jackson's death changes the whole situation. as the surviving parent she does have a reasonable claim to custody of these children at
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least in the abstract. so if you are the jackson family and if you really want to see katherine jackson have custody of these children, the possibility of a settlement is certainly one you would want to consider. debbie rowe, just to put this crudely, she sold her children once, she may want to sell them again. this looks like an opportunity to cash in for her. >> theoretically, she could make some sort of a deal, get money and not have relationship with the kids and when they become adults one day have a relationship with the kids if they want it? >> right. these kids are approaching the age where they will have contact with who they want to have contact with. in terms of custody which is a legal status for minor children and the oldest child is 12, debbie rowe does have at least a claim that a judge would want to listen to. it might be in the jackson's family interest to say here is
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some money in return for you not putting that claim before the judge. >> we have to get better video of debbie rowe. we are using that video where she was ambushed on the street. by a mob of paparazzi. i feel a little bad for her on that one. we'll try to use other video. in the future. president obama talks about slave trade from africa in our discussion. we take you to a place where slavery is still a problem. dr. sanjay gupta meets kids forced into labor. you won't believe what their lives are like and what he found. a good news story out of iraq. a welcome sign of change there. michael wehr covering a his tor ix battle on the soccer field. re something i didn't know. while i was building my life, my high cholesterol was contributing to plaque buildup in my arteries. that's why my doctor prescribed crestor. people everywhere are learning that plaque buildup is a real reason to lower high cholesterol. and that crestor can help. along with diet, crestor does more than lower bad cholesterol, it raises good. crestor is also proven to slow
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ted in skyscrapers alone... but on the ground by those who could see what needed to be done. volunteers who in service stepped forward... onto the dust of the moon, a levee in the heartland, the marble steps of a dream. you may ask yourself: "where is my moon, my levee, my dream?" well, it's here... with you. step forward. help renew america at usaservice.org earlier we showed you some solve president obama's emotionle journey to cape coast castle in ghana. africans held in horrific conditions before sent to the door of no return into a life of bondage. part two of our interview with the president tomorrow. slavery is still happening right now in places around the world. according to the non-profit group, free the slaves, there
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are 27 million slaves in the world today. one of the places a major destination for slaves hundreds of years ago remains one today. haiti. 360 md sanjay gupta there investigating the modern day slave trade. joins us with the 360 dispatch. obviously, sanjay, haiti is known for extreme poverty. the violence we've seen there over the years. you're covering a story very few people know about, a form of modern day slavery. what is it? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. obviously it is known as the most impoverished and least-developed country in the western hemisphere. there is this bleak irony, as we found out, anderson. born out of a slave revolution at the end of the 18th century, despite that, there is a form of modern day slavery that takes place still, today. it comes in the form of restiavek, a creole word that means stay with. children are sent from the
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countryside to big urban centers to work essentially as slaves. we met a man who took us around the slum areas of porta prince and introduced us to a girl, named dina. we wanted to get an idea of what her life was like and was she really a slave? we met her at 5:00 in the morning, work as a water transporter for a couple different houses in the slums carrying big five-gallon jugs up the hill. mopping floors on her hands and knees. washing dishes. doing all the work in the house. essentially just for scraps, no pay, all of it under the threat of mental and physical abuse. as far as carrying the jugs up, anderson, see the video there, i wanted to try it myself to get an idea of how hard it was. it's over 40 pounds carrying it on your head several times a day. up hill. up rocky paths and stairs. it's unbelievable. that's a daily routine for someone like dina anderson. >> is this legal in haiti? >> reporter: well, anderson, it's interesting. we tried to ask that question of
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the social affairs, ministry of social affairs. as far as we can tell, there are no specific child labor laws in haiti. more than that, anderson, i will say it's sort of a haitian way of life, the way of restiavek, countryside parents sending their children off thinking they're going to get a better life. instead what we found, they felt whipped, purposely, their soul purpose of beating, whipping, torturing, disciplining these restiaveks. it's the way it is. laws aside, it's the way it works. >> it's stunning they're not getting paid. just in jap scraps just in scraps. >> reporter: well, you know, from a physical standpoint, it's almost impossible. i really tried to look into that. part of the problem is none of these children ever see doctors. there is no health record. they don't have birth certificates, no documentation. carrying that load on young
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child bones, 8, 9 years old, i'm a grown man. i had difficulty doing it once. they do it several times a day. mentally, there's a sense of self-loathing among the rest of it. they have no value whatsoever. that's a huge concern. dina, the girl you saw video of, she told me no one had given her a hug up until the age of 14. absolutely zero affection. treated worse than animals. >> unbelievable to think this happens in the modern world and so close to america. this is in our hemisphere. for more information about the restiavek foundation, what they do to try to help these kids, bo to their website, restiavekfreedom.org. let's get the latest on the other stories we're following. randi kaye back with a 360 bulletin. >> hi, again, anderson. two of three inmates who broke out of a maximum security indiana prison are at large tonight. massive manhunt under way. police captured one of the men
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today near the grand beach michigan vacation home of chicago's mayor who was inside with his family at the time. police warning nearby residents to stay inside their homes. the inmates all violent criminals, apparently escaped through underground tunnels and pipes. a southwest airlines jet made an emergency landing in charleston, west virginia, after a football-sized hole in its fuselage caused the cabin to depressurize. no one injured. boeing 737 carrying 131 people traveling at 30,000 feet when the problem occurred. south korea's unification ministry denying a report by a south korean news agency that north korean leader kim jong-il has pank ycreatic cancer. the report is fueling on going speculation about the 67-year-old leaders's failing health. des moines, iowa, the city council is asked to strike down a ban on all-night dancing. the ordinance dating to at least
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1942 requires a permit for public dancing. who would have thought that? with a permit, public boogying between 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. is prohibited monday through saturday. sunday the ban lasts until 8:00 a.m. critics say they should be able to shake their booties all night long in iowa's biggest city. >> well, we'll keep following that. >> there's a problem there. still ahead, maybe not cause for dancing but hope for iraq. for the first time in seven years soccer fans cheered their home team home again. michael wehr was in the crowd. the "shot" ahead. back to africa. hundreds of thousands, millions of africans held for shipment, to the slave trade. we talked about what it was like to be there with his young daughters and more. that's ahead at the top of the hour. 90s slacker hip-hop. ♪ singer: buckle up, everybody 'cause pu're taking a ride ♪
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and save 50% on pads and shoes. meineke. tonight's shot, milestone in iraq. take a look. baghdad, today, iraqis played their first home soccer match since before the invasion. iraq beat the palestinian team. wide celebrations. michael wehr was there, caught up in the celebration. take a look. it's the "shot." >> reporter: welcome to international football, baghdad style. this is iraq's first home international since in 2002 in the lead-up to the u.s.-led invasion. excuse me guys, excuse me. iraq is playing its first home game here against palestine and they're friendly. this is an incredible scene. this stadium is filled to kpasts. with intense security as the war
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continues. it's this game. this that has been the iraqi people's disconnect from the horror around them. this is what's the only thing that's united the iraqi people. >> nice to see michael wehr so excited and happy there in baghdad. >> i think in all his years of covering the war we've never seen him smile. nice to see. >> see the shots at our website, ac 360.com. ahead, exclusive tour of ghana's cape coast castle with president obama and my sit-down interview one-on-one. and we're ready for it. because we took all our lists and we went to walmart. since walmart checks other store's prices... i didn't have to. that means we got home in time... for just a little more summer -- and for one last night of lightning bugs. back to school costs less at walmart.
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