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join me on the radio for the lou dobbs show on wor 710 radio in new york. and go to loudobbs.com to get the local listings in your area of the country. and you can follow me on lou dobbs news on twitter.com. please join us. thank you for being here with us tonight. join us tomorrow. good night from new york. now campbell brown. tonight, hear the questions we want answered. can the naacp survive in the age of obama? the first african-american president speaking just now to the nation's largest civil rights organization. does he represent mission accomplished or is there still a long way to go? >> plus, the parents of 17 kids murdered. tonight, eight suspects in custody and a key piece of evidence found. >> in florida, it's going to go one of two ways. death by lethal injection or death in the electric chair, campbell. >> but is there more to this story? and why is the federal drug
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enforcement agency involved? and listen closely to this -- >> i feel better already. during these hearings, we're going to do that crock cocaine thing. >> what is this senator talking about? wool explain. plus, paul mccartney speaks out about michael jackson owning the beatles song catalog. and how money slowly drove the band apart. we're watching the moments you mised to day so you don't have to. first, republicans said it would take a meltdown to derail judge sotomayor. day four of her confirmation hearings and the woman is not melting down. perhaps that is why today one
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republican senator, well, he started to melt. here is the view from the right. >> we'll see what your future holds. i think it's going to be pretty bright. >> judge, you've been great throughout this process. >> i'm impressed. >> i hope you fell that it's been a fairly conductive hearing. >> the test is not whether we like you. i think speaking personally i think we all do. >> you know, i judge -- i agree with you. good luck. >> amen. >> in other words, we get it. you're in, we played our part. we roughed you up a little. and now it's over. the judiciary committee's top republican jeff sessions says his party won't filibuster the nomination. he expects a full senate vote before the august recess. senator sessions giving us lots to chew over today. best of all, this -- check him out. this is him thanking a witness at today's hearing.
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listen. >> mr. anderson, it's good to work with you. senator leahy and i, i'm talking during these hearings we're going to do that crack cocaine thing that you and i've talked about before. we've got to. >> thank you, senator. i appreciate that. >> let me restate that. zbloo please rephrase. >> i misspoke. >> we're going to reduce the burden of penalties in some of the crack cocaine cases and make them fair. >> this is a terrorist version of sesame street. watch this. >> this is children's television. innocent enough at first glance. but this program on the hamas-runnal aqsa tv features
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the sun and daughter of a female suicide bomber watching a re-enactment of their mother's mission. it was first aired in 2007 and has now reaired, this time with a studio audience. killed four israelis in a 2004 attack between gaza and israel. in the video, an actress playing her prepared explosives for her mission ignoring her children's questions about what she is doing. the daughter then sees a news reporter about the suicide bombing and sings only now i understand what was more important than us. >> these are the same folks who produced a show featuring a mickey mouse type character waving machine guns. to these inspiring images. amazing new pictures of that one small step and that one giant leap. check this out.
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>> 40 years ago, the apollo blasts off from the kennedy space center, destination, the moon. >> this is how 600 million people watched neil armstrong and buzz aldren take their first steps through the moon, through grainy black and white images. >> now 40 years later, a film restoration company hired by nasa has digitally enhanced the video. the aimages are much sharper. reflections can even be seen on armstrong's visor. >> even in slightly higher definiti definition, the pictures are still ghostly, like something from another planet. >> we remember the son of camelot tonight. >> today, as you may know, marks a very somber anniversary. it has been ten years since john f. kennedy jr. died along with his wife and sister-in-law in a
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plane crash off the coast of martha's vineyard. >> a massive search is under way. >> now ten years after his tragic death, the public fascination continues. "people" magazine just released these never before seen photos. >> john had very clear political ambitions. >> he wanted to become the president of the united states. and over the years that i knew him, he had been preparing for that. >> he had lived, kennedy would have been 48 right now. pretty heavy stuff tonight. so let's liten the mood and show you a piece of video that is going viral in a big way. check out david garret. he plays the violin really, really fast.
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♪ >> conian o'brien, his target, mark sanford. taking a few more days off. yeah. he's in an undisclosed location again. but this time he brought his wife. >> mark sanford is trying to bounce back from the sex scandal. the governor mark sanford, yeah, let's whoa that. whoa, bounce back. he cleared his schedule this week to take a personal trip with his wife. isn't that nice?
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yeah. he said he wanted to go somewhere exotic. he's going to get this trip with his wife out of the way first. >> and that's is in bad taste and, of course, the matchup. the live blog up is and running. chat now. tonight we have our frequent guest john avalon on there, too, taking your questions. and michael jackson, the case, a criminal investigation now. we have the very latest. plus an unruly song is the last he ever recorded. we have the tape. also, can the naacp survive the age of obama? he spoke to the group just moments ago. hear what he had to say. >> let it be said that this generation did expire. that we, too, ran the race and our dark path showed us. and all across this nation, the rising sun of a new day begun. thank you, god bless you.
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god bless the united states of america. i was in the grocery store when i had a heart attack. my daughter was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life. please talk to your doctor about aspirin and your heart. i'm going to be grandma for a long time.
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set the bar higher for their kids. listen. >> they might think they've got a pretty good jump shot. or a pretty good floater. but all kids cannot aspire to be lebron or little wayne. i'm not going to aspire to be scientists and engineers, doctors and teachers, not just ballers. i want them to aspire to be a supreme court justice. i want them to aspire to be the president president of the united states of america. >> here to react to that, we have bill and glen, a form area siftant to george w. bush, susan malveaux here and rollin martin is finally back us with. >> i took a vacation. >> you took a long vacation. wow. >> and in milwaukee, npr
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contract contributorior john ridly. what did you think? >> he -- it was a two-part speech. personal responsibility on one hand. but he also did touch on the structural issues in terms of education and health care to play a part in the disparities and health care. it's a question of doing both as opposed to it being separate. >> you've been traveling with him and covering. what did you think? >> i thought that he really raised a good point. and it's this whole idea of tough love. what he did was he's saying i have more credibility and more familiarity with this group than previous presidents like president bush. the themes we saw and listened to were familiar when he talked about education opportunities, business, economic opportunities. these are the kinds of things that we have heard from previous presidents. but thn he says, look, i get it. it wasn't long ago. it seems like a long time ago, people were asking the black community whether he was black enough. that is something where i think he thought that was just incredible. it was ridiculous question to him. but when he lays this out, he is
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saying, of course i get it. i understand that peop suffering. i understand that the african-american community more so than others, more likely, are suffering even worse. and there is a way forward. there is a path forward. but that it also requires personal accountability and responsibility. and that he's got the credibility to deliver that message. >> dylan, let me play a sound bite. this is from the gop chairman, michael steel. but to her point that was just made, there are some in the black community who have said that he isn't doing enough specifically. and listen to what steel says then we'll talk about it. >> i think there have been two glaring examples where african-americans have come to pause. and both are press conference where the president is asked directly, how do your policies benefit the black community specifically? and he's talked about it in more generic terms. if i help this group, i help, you know, our community.
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>> this isn't just republicans. >> i thought the president gave a wonderful speech. you have to do. he is very talented in that regard. i think there's no question that challenge will be in the actual activities, actions. i think he tried to challenge, i think, that the naacp are much like george bush did when he talked about the soft bigotry of low expectations in terms of education. i think the challenge is really going to be for -- can you talk about personal responsibility on one hand. but then how do you actually implement that? is that the way president bush did? is it actually trying to get families? what is the measure? >> he said it in the actual speech. >> okay. >> he said when it comes to education, read to your children. he said the question of making sure that you are parenting your children. when he said in terms of getting them to bed early.
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he laid out in terms of individuals this is what your responsibility is because, look, can you blame the teacher and principal. but you have a part in. this look, i understand -- >> i think striking that balance is very important for this president. obviously, as you know before in the campaign, there were some people that thought that was paternalistic. they were offended by the comments he made. perhaps it was airing the dirty laundry. >> 75% are not -- >> hold on, i want to bring john ridly into this. give me your take. >> i thought it was a good speech. he did a very dal cat dance. there are a lot of people at that meeting to night who wanted president obama to be the black president. i think he had to remind everybody that he's the president for everybody. i think one of the things that's very important if, a lot of people were looking for specifics about jobs or the economy right now is disproportionately affecting people of color. i think that's where they really wanted specifics. everybody can agree on education. that's the key to the future. but in the short term, what do you do about the fact that you have higher unemployment rate
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with people of color than the rest of america? now no mention of basically anything. >> john, before you jump in, i just -- john wrote a provocative piece with the headline of "can the naacp survive at president obama." explain what you mean. >> a lot of people -- by the way, president obama addressed this. you think you have president obama. you have sotomayor who is going to be a supreme court justice, eric holder at the doj. do you really need the naacp in terms of protecting civil rights? i think the president did a very good job of stressing that the naacp is not just about civil rights. and by the way, the naacp had a white paper that just issued called year one. that's basically looking forward to the next 100 years. i think it's important for everyone involved to remind folks that, no, we don't have total equality in america. but what is the next step? and certainly dealing with education and talking about that and moving forward is part of that process.
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>> to john's point? >> two points. one, i think that it's no question that, you know, the naacp is struggling with the same deal that march of dimes struggled with. we cured polio, march of dimes didn't go away. we have to see what we're making relevant going forward. i want to come back to education. if the president were serious about education and i hope that he is, and i think he's six months into it and the president does that. give him the benefit of the doubt. i think he would have backed the vouchers initiative in washington, d.c. >> he's not going to do it. >> and i think that -- >> i agree. >> i think he would just say it's about redoubling the budgets in terms of the department of education. >> i rode on air force one with him. i asked him about that. he said, look, that's a very small part. the bottom line is taking money out of the system. he believes in charter schools. the reality is this here -- talk about vouchers. but they're failing. in charter schools, they're failing. can you bring up any issues. it still points to the third and fourth grade something is
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happening when black children and the numbers are dropping when it comes to math and science. you have to confront it. >> he did abandon the bush initiative. he is putting money forward to make that stronger. >> i wish we could go on. this is an entirely separate debate. we're out of time. i want to thank john ridley and susan. john ridley did blog about the president's speech for us. we're taking a closer look at segregated proms, believe it or not, still happening in 2009. but you're going to meet two students from one school that pushed for change, took on the challenge of bringing black and white students together for the first time. hear their story. plus, a developing story. we have new details to share with you to parents of the 17 children murdered in their own bedroom. why is the dea involved in this case? we've got some answers for you. plus, madonna, a stage collapse. the deadly preconcert accident.
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hln's mike galanos has the download. >> wild gun battle on the new jersey streets to tell buchlt five cops shot, two suspects killed. it began in jersey city. an armed robbery suspect dressed like a priest opened fire with a shotgun. two cops are in critical condition. president obama talked about them during a stop in new jersey today. >> we are confident that they're going to end up coming back
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strong as ever. but it's a reminder for all of us of the incredible sacrifice that our law enforcement officials engage in and their families are part of each and every day. so i hope everybody keeps them in their thoughts and prayers. >> now the president was in new jersey at a campaign rally for governor jon corzine. the taliban threatened to kill a captured american soldier unless the u.s. halted operations in two afghan provinces. they were asking for the soldier's safe return. the taliban claimed responsibility for kidnapping the still unnamed soldier missing for more than two weeks now. the u.s. says it's possible he's been moved across the border into pakistan. and madonna said to be devastated to hear that a man was killed while building the stage for one of her concerts in france. the 53-year-old worker was killed when a crane lifting some of the beams for the stage lights collapsed. at least one of madonna's upcoming shows has been
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canceled. and finally this, a first today. marine one, president obama's helicopter, an all female crew assembled to honor major jennifer grieves who became marine one's first female pilot last year. now today was her last day. the president jumped into the cockpit to shake her hand before they took off from the south lawn. tonight's sendoff. her next stop, quant he could, virginia. she is going to fulfill the retirements to become lieutenant colonel. >> wow! girl power. congratulations to her. that's great story. mike, thanks very much. >> thank you, campbell. >> one of michael jackson's last songs has never been released. we've got the tape for you to night. we're going to play it for you next. we also have new details on that doctor who is the last one with him when he died. also tonight, segregated proms. yes, they still happen in america. tonight a closer look at one small town that brought black and white together for the first time. my parents didn't want me going to the prom with black
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phew! paul mccartney is speaking out for the first time about the business move jackson made that changed their relationship forever. when jackson bought the rights to the beatles music catalog. this is on last night's late show with david letterman. listen. >> we had a really good time. we made a couple records together. we did a video. and we're very good friends. it actually kind of fell apart a little bit later because he was talking to me and asking about business. and one of the things i said to him was think about getting into music publishing. and then he looked at me. he said i'm going to get yours. >> yeah. >> so, you know, i kind of
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thought -- oh, you! but he turned out to be true. which, you know, he has it together, i suppose. but what happened actually is then i started to ring him up. and i thought, okay, here's the guy historically placed to give mccartney a good deal at last. because we got signed when we were 21 singing in a bacally in liverpool. the deal remained the same. even though we made this company the most famous and hugely successful. i kept thinking it was time for a raise, you know? when you work, you know? >> yeah. >> and so it was great. i did talk to him about it. but he kind of blackmailed it. he kept saying that's just business, paul. you know? so, yeah. it is. and waited for a reply.
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but we never kind of got to it. and i thought so we kind of drifted apart. it was no big deal. just drift add part after that. there is a lovely man, massively talented and we miss him. >> paul mccartney with david letterman last night. also tonight for the first time, we're hearing a song by michael jackson that was never released. only today did it become public. this is after it was posted on the tmz website. it is called "a place with no name." if it sounds familiar to you, it should. jackson was actually given permission to record this song even though it sounds very similar to the 1971 hit "a horse with no name" by the group america. let's listen. ♪ she said don't you worry my prince i'll take care i'll take your hand ♪ ♪ i'll take us there
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take me to a place ♪ ♪ without no name she said don't you worry ♪ >> and now we do want to bring up to speed. a number of new developments in the jackson investigation to tell you about. randy cage joining us now. randy is looking into all this. randy, there have been a number of reports that the doctor, michael jackson's personal doctor is at the center of the investigation. what can you confirm? what do we know? >> right now, i can tell that you tmz is reporting that dr. murray made incriminating statements to authorities when interviewed just a few days after michael jackson died. we know he was in the house. we know he performed cpr on michael jackson. he was also interviewed twice by investigatesors. i called dr. murray o see if he made the incriminating statements. his spokeswoman said whatever was said during the interview was not made public at all. it is part of an an going investigation, unless they were it issing in the room, it is
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bogus. also, she told me there haven't been any more subpoenas, no search warrants, nothing more requested of dr. murray. he is still a whisk treated as a witness and certainly not suspect. >> and what about the picture of jackson's oldest child spotted at a gathering for gentleman hoef he is witnesses in l.a.? >> this is interesting. i spoke with a family friend. michael jackson was raised as gentlemen hoef is witness. it reminded jackson of the traum yaf his childhood. now you have this photo. here is paris jackson spotted at los angeles's kingdom hall with her brothers earlier this week on tuesday in, fact. if you look at the picture, you notice possibly she is carrying a book right there titled sing praises to jehova. she was with her brothers, michael junior and friends known as blanket and their aunt rebbie jackson. i asked the family friend if this is how michael jackson want the his children raised and he told me absolutely not. he did not intend to raise them
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this way. he babbled in a lot of different religions but never embraced religion. all of it, he told me, michael said it reminded him of this trauma that he experienced as a child. >> and randy, the autopsy results still haven't been released. but what's the latest word on whether or not this is a criminal investigation? there is a lot of confusion on that. >> there is a lot of confusion. there is still just as much confusion today. we spoke to the district attorney's office in los angeles. here's what we were told. the death of michael jackson is being investigated by the los angeles police department and the los angeles county medical examiner. there have been conversations by district attorney personnel with police and coroner's officials in connection with the on going investigation. the statement goes on to say -- dl you have the d's spokesperson using the criminal investigation in connection with the jackson investigation. then you have the lapd telling
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me the investigation is on going, campbell, and has not been determined, yet if it is criminal or not. so it really depends on who you ask which statements you read, exactly whether or not this is criminal or simply just an investigation at this point. >> okay. that clears things up. >> doesn't it? we try. we did our best. we try. >> all right. thank you very much, randy. more new details in the killings of the parents to 17 children down in florida. tonight, why the sheriff now admits federal drug agents are involved when we come back.
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we have new developments in the killing of that florida couple that raised 17 mostly adopted and special needs children. investigators have now recovered what they are calling valuable evidence and now the share sieve trying to quash speculations surrounding the victims even as he confirms the involvement of federal drug agents. our own reporter is in pensacola tonight along with rob williams,
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an anchor for pensacola's news radio 1620. with me in new york, former dea special agent bob strange joining us as well. let me go to you, rob, down in florida first. you know, rob, the sheriff keeps saying that there is more here than meets the eye in this case. he's hinting at that in every way imaginable and sailing flat out, are we any closer to saying the real bad story here? >> well, i don't think we are close to knowing the back story to be very honest. the state attorney here bill edens very, very conservative on the information he's turning loose. how many guns were recovered? where were they recovered? let's see the safe. where was the safe? he's not putting any of that on the table right now. he did say it's substantially over. it's substantially solved. there is still a few loose ends. that's a direct quote. and a few more people of interest that they want to talk to. but with regards to the dea, campbell, i'll jump a question ahead, and plain and simple, take that off the table. it's not a factor at least on the billings side of the
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equation. however, for the scum bags they picked up in the last week, well, that's another story. the dea is here for support. i talked to guys from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms, they're here, too. but they're tracking down the serial numbers on the guns recovered, campbell. >> ed, as rob referenced there, police saying today valuable evidence that they have found. what is it specifically they're talking about? >> reporter: well, you mention the guns first or the weapons used. the state attorney mentioned that one of the weapons that they believe they found was indeed the murder weapon used in this. we've been told by sources with atf that those weapons will be sent to atlanta where the ballistics testing will be done. we also learned that safe that was stole chn is what the item that was robbed from from the house is also been found. we understand it was found on one of the properties belonging to pamela wiggins. she's the eighth suspect arrested yesterday. authorities won't say what was inside the safe. but they finally recovered it.
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>> all right. bob, you're here with us. i want to go back to this question about the dea involvement. why would the dea be involved? >> well, let's look at it this way. first piece of evidence that the police had was a tag, a license plate. that was the hard evidence. people like to think it's some kind of forensics or digital, you know, something technical that brought the dea and the fbi involved in this case. but really it was a license thing. and what they do is run it through federal agencies to find out whether or not an informant knows that individual that it came back to, whether or not any information on this person is involved in money laundering or international narcotics. maybe a methamphetamine lab. so they check to see. is this person involved in a crime? and very often there's a link with one of the federal agencies. it appears that maybe early on in this investigation that license plate came back to an on going investigation that the dea may have been conducting. they know he was an informant to a wiretap, through a pen register. you get a telephone number.
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some type of system connection that put these two things together. and they need to learn more about the individual, what kind of person? are they armed? what kind of gang do they belong to? are they involved with the colombian or mexican drug cartel? do they operate a methamphetamine lab in the u.s.? so as law enforcement gather this is information, it helps with the current case. this goes on all the time. >> all right. we'll be finding out more in the next few days, hopefully. i want to go back to ed on one other thing. as we mentioned earlier, seven men charged with murder so far. this woman pamela long wiggins has been charged with accessory after the fact. and i just want to elaborate a little more on that, ed. any details we may know about her involvement? >> reporter: well, we got ahold of her arrest report today. and in that there was also another item that authorities found yesterday. they have come to the sheriff's office. we saw a red minivan. this is different from that dodge van that was seen in the tape. but this red minivan and inside this arrest report it mentioned
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that this van was placed near the billings home the day of the murders and was actually used by the suspect as a get away vehicle. turned out that that van is registered to miss wiggins. so whether or not she knew about it early on is not clear. she's been charged with conspiracy -- or accessory after the fact. so it seems to suggest that perhaps not. so the safe was also found on one of her properties. so did she allow that to happen? that seems to be something that is perhaps more likely. >> and do we know how many more people are out there, ed, that the police are trying to talk to? >> reporter: the last we heard from the sheriff, he mentioned that there were two or three other persons of interest that they want to talk to. but what will happen with that isn't clear and as we mentioned, this seems to be toward the tail end of this investigation is what the state attorney and the sheriff are saying. >> all right. many thanks to rob -- >> one thing very quickly. >> go ahead. >> it was a week ago right now, pretty much to within five, ten
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minutes of right now when the home invasion and the murders took place. right now. funeral coming up tomorrow. >> all right. rob, ed and bob helping us. see the big picture here as well. thank you. appreciate it. live chat happening right now at cnn.com/campbell. our guest, john avalon blogging right now. you wouldn't think we would be talking about this in 2009. when he we come back, we're going to address segregated prom. you're going to meet the teens who are fighting to end it.
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tonight we watched as the nation's first african-american president made a major speech to the naacp. it was a moment in history, of course. but before we all get carried away congratulate ourgselves, consider this, a high school in mississippi recently held its first prom at which both white and black students were welcomed, as in very recently. it was paid for by actor morgan freeman and documented in an hbo film called "prom night in mississippi" which premiers on monday night. >> we can't keep mud willing
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along in the most backward parts of your psyche, you know? you got to break free. these are shackles. these are still chains we have around our souls. >> that might be it. it might be the fear of your white with a black man. that might be the fear. that you're afraid of presenting coming out you're white and you have a mixed baby. >> my parents taught me about racism f you're white, god wanted you white to be with white. and if you're black, god wanted you black to be with black. you can't try and change them. not somebody that's much older than you. not a whole other generation. >> just a little while ago i talked to two of the students who attended that prom, jessica shivers and chastity buckley along with paul saltsman who directed the film "prom night in mississippi." before all of this, prom for you, they were segregated
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events. how did you feel about that? >> i never went to the other prom. so i didn't like the fact that it was segregated. and we first got our integrated prom, i thought that was a great idea. and segregation is -- >> is that you didn't go to the other prom? >> i didn't go to no prom. you know, i wasn't going to waste my time if i couldn't spend it with everyone. >> what did you think? >> i thought it didn't make sense. but i went to the segregated prom my junior year. i was the vice president of the committee. and at first i didn't really want to go. but i made up my mind to go. but i thought it was crazy that they were separate. >> why? why was it that way? who's idea was it? >> pretty much the parents. you know, like my parents didn't want me going to a prom with black people or anything like that. they were just so racial. it was hard for me to deal with because i have black friends.
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>> did most people feel the way you felt? >> most -- i mean most of our classmates did. and a lot of the classes before us felt that it was silly, that they were separate. but, i mean, they never had the courage, i would say, or they never put forth enough effort to try to have it together. they thought it was nonsense. >> this happens. 2008, you have the very first integrated prom. what was the reaction? >> well, there was so much dram ante really it wasn't -- there was no black parent conflict, it was the white parents. and then there was another prom. there was a white prom and we had the integrated prom. there was so much drama. >> you said conflict. you mention this. there was a separate white prom. >> yes. >> in addition to this. >> they offered for me to go. and they offered to pay for everything. and they said they made it more seniors and stuff like that. and i didn't go. i just -- i went to the meeting.
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i didn't like they were using words. >> what words? what you are you talking about? be specific? >> well, they used nigger and stuff like that. saying that they're not going to be grinding up on my daughter. >> how do you feel when you hear that? >> it's like stabbing me insides. you just hear that people are so hateful. i mean about prom and about us being together in a room and having a good time together for the last time. it's just hurtful. >> so what did you think? what was the reaction when this all came about? >> we were sitting in the auditorium, it's like a sigh of relief that finally this is happening. and i also was excited and regardless of all of negativity that surrounded it, i was happy. >> and you talk about the parents again. but were black students and white students kind of divided in terms of their reaction to it? or was everybody pretty much on the same page? >> well, at first it seemed like
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everybody was on the same page. as you can see the movie who doesn't want it? and nobody said no. but outside of that, there were a few mixed disagreements. i don't know. i don't know. it's not going to happen for real. they didn't think it was really goin but it did. >> paul, let me bring new here. chastity mentioned morgan. we're talking about morgan freeman. explain to everybody how this came about, how hbo got involved and how this turned into a movie. >> we started to shoot the documentary that is not the prom documentary. and we finished that documentary. and the day we finished shooting we found out about the separate proms. and i was actually back home in canada. i called morgan. i said is this true? there is a segregated prom and you offered to pay for it and nobody would take you up on the offer? he offered to pay for the full prom fit was integrated. he said, yes, that was ten years ago. and i just said to him, is the offer still good? and there was this pause on the end of the phone. he said oh, okay.
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and the offer was put back on the table. and finally the school board and the parents agreed. >> chastity, jessica, explain -- or give us a feel for prom day, the actual day. because you described the tension. and we have seen a little of the pictures and video. what was that day like? >> it was my first prom. i was really excited. and it was so much fun, you know, getting dressed and picking out the outfits we were going wear and doing our hair and makeup. but when i got there, i had butterflies. i didn't know -- i didn't expect to be as beautiful and as spectacular. and, of course, morgan paid for everything. and it just blew me out of the water. >> everything, hair and makeup and everything early. i got dressed early. there was this small mini photo shoot before we left for prom. and we had to do that at everybody's house. that whole day was crazy. but when we finally got to prom and we were just letting loose and having fun and enjoying everybody's company.
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>> what is it about your town? why has it taken so long for people there to catch up? >> i guess the old school, like the old heads. like there's more who pays for the town and kind of how things are run. and they don't -- it's run by white people. >> i think it's more of a power struggle. >> exactly. >> they want to be in control. her people want to be in control. and they want things to go their way or no way at all. they want it to behis nothing can change. it's going to be the same. nothing is change. i think that's the problem. >> do you think prom took a step toward at least changing views in your town? >> yeah. i mean it was a small step in some ways and a big step in others. but i'm glad it happened. and i'm sure that as it continues, because it has continued. they can't just stop having it or say we're not going to do it this year or next year. they have to do it xblchlt paul, do you think this film has the
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potential to really send a powerful message? >> i think so. because chastity and jessica and others are just so open and courageous in the film and sharing what their feelings are. and by the way, chastity and jessica are good examples. they knew each other before the integrated prom. but they're now very close friends. and it just happens, you know, when you're actually hanging out with people, that friendship and that barrier gets broken. >> hopefully the time has come for real change. >> right. >> it's about time. >> yeah. >> jessica shivers, chastity buckley and paul saltsman, many thanks to you and good luck with this. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. and when we come back, john avalon from the daily beast online right now. he's up next with the wing nut. watch.
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watch. our next guest john avalon. calls out someone on left, right who -- i think i did it the opposite. divides us rather than united states us. john, you've been looking at the people who are really playing to the extreme and who are really crossing the line here. who is tonight's wingnut? >> tonight we have a situation in florida with a guy named major cook who this week refused deployment to afghanistan on the grounds that president obama's not a natural born citizen and, therefore, his constitutional ineligible to act as commander in chief. he is part of a movement. a little conspiracy theory coming from the far right. >> his lawyer is partst berthers, a group still pushing the idea that president obama wasn't born in america, ineligible to be president. >> that's right. and they're pushing this idea that president obama's been a candidate and undo the results of the 2008 connection. they're trying to do it on constitutional grounds filing
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the legal briefs and pumping it up on the internet which is really interesting. the other plaintiff's she's had are people even further than this major who is a distinguished veteran in his own right. the first plaintiff in her case was a pastor named while wiley drake. he's been a person who's been praying for president obama's death. so you've got real wingnut stuff. you've got people suffering from severe obama derangement syndrome. >> they're not making an impact these people are, are they? other than us giving them a platform as we just have. but there is not real relevance here. aren't we get together point where they're going away? >> they have an internet culture that they keep pumping themselves up. what we need to do is shine a light and make a case that these folks don't have a shred of legitimacy. they keep trying to creep into the debate. if we're not careful, they'll hijack us. >> all right. john avalon for us tonight with the "wingnut watch."
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the rescue of detroit. we are shown how in tonight's "money & main street" report. don't be surprised to see george clooney or robert de niro the next time you're in michigan. the hollywood a-listers joined others like clint eastwood to make major motion pictures in the embattled state as it works to reinvent itself. >> we're focused entirely on diverse fig our economy, for example, and creative economy whether it's film making -- >> stay away from me. if i come back here again, it's going to be ugly. >> clint eastwood's movie takes place a few miles from detroit. what is the incentive to film here? a 42% tax break for studios that hire local workers. sounds great. but here's the problem -- even though michigan has a skilled labor force, most don't have any experience working on film sets. >> okay. >> reporter: enter the center for film studies. started in march, the school
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