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iris finsilver. maybe debbie would come? >> maybe. >> larry: we heard allegations from dr. thoem. we will try to get reaction. time now for john king and "ac 360." john. thanks, larry. tonight, breaking news, shocking allegations by michael jackson's father telling larry his son was the victim of foul play and naming the people he blames. we are looking closer at those allegations and taking it several days beyond. randy kay has been breaking jackson stories daily. >> joe jackson and family flend nard rowe made allegations calling michael jackson's death foul play, saying he was controlled by the promoter of his upcoming concert, aeg. they say michael was not in control of his finances and he was being made to do more concerts than he had agreed to.
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he was being told to do that. we are digging to set the record straight. aeg the promoter said michael jackson was healthy enough to go ahead with all of these shows. ceo randy phillips said right here on "360." aeg told us a couple of weeks ago michael jackson agreed to do 31 shows not the ten shows you heard from those two gentlemen tonight and agreed to do 50 because he "needed the money." that was from randy phillips. when i interviewed leonard rowe two weeks ago he told me jackson asked him to call aeg and work out an easier schedule. he called the ceo of aeg. phillips told us he never spoke to leonard rowe. we have been in touch with aeg. we will share their response to the accusations by leonard rowe and joe jackson. the latest turns on whether this
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is heading toward a criminal investigation and why tito jackson, m.j.'s older brother, thinks his doctor may be to blame. >> the tragedy followed by a mess. >> yes. a lot to make sense of. we want to set the record straight and will do that later on. president obama's growing push for health care reform the growing push to stop it and rising doubts about how president obama is handling the issue. the republicans are trying to wound mr. obama by killing his plan. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. first candy crowley sets the stage. >> reporter: they don't call it the bully pulpit for nothing. >> we can't afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care. this time not now. >> reporter: health care reform is a heavy lift weighted down by complex problems, competing interests, a $1 trillion price
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tag, conservatives in sticker shock. >> does president obama's health care plan represent socialism? >> yes. next question. >> reporter: for the third time in four days the president pushed urgently, sometimes combatively. >> let's fight our way through the politics of the moment, let's pass reform by the end of this year. >> reporter: this wednesday a news conference, thursday the cleveland clinic, et cetera. >> many, many days, yes. i think obviously this is a crucial time for health care reform. >> reporter: presidents don't work this hard when things are going well. they work this hard when something's in jeopardy, especially when that something is one of the crown jewels of your campaign. >> i will finally keep the promise of affordable accessible health care for every single american. >> reporter: when the campaign trail gives way to nitty-gritty of policy, it takes a toll. the percentage of americans who
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approve of the way the president is handling health care dropped below 50%. 49d% approve, 44% disapprove. that disapproval rate has jumped 15 points since april. >> americans aren't being fooled and we are discovering the truth about his plan which includes rationed care, trillions in new costs and high taxes. >> reporter: the president and senator demint are engaged in a cross town showdown of sorts. demint told conservative activists if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo, it will break him. >> think about that this isn't about me. this isn't about politics. >> reporter: if republicans were the only thing between him and reform the president could put his feet up. he can't because conservative democrats are balking at the trillion-dollar price tag. when an independent budget analysis showed leading health
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care proposals will increase the deficit he freaked. he won't get it all but the president will likely get enough of something to declare victory. in politics if you can't get what you want, want what you get. >> digging deeper with david r gergen and sanjay gupta. the president has a different plan. how did this policy debate become such a political problem? >> because it is enormously complex issue with 17%, 18% of the economy represented by health care. and the president essentially did not come forward with his own plan but left it to congress. one of his problems is while the public agreed with the president that the current system does not
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work, is unsustainable, does not work in the long term, they are becoming so concerned there are so many cooks in the kitchen there is a sense this is being thrown together and people aren't quite sure that the recipe that is coming out is one they can swallow and it would be any better than the current system. >> sanjay, one of the major goals is you have to lower costs long term. senator edward kennedy tries to add his voice to the debate eve because of his own health issues. he says, to accomplish all of this we have to cut the costs of health care. for families who've seen health insurance premiums more than double from an average of $6,000 a year to $13,000 since 1999, one of the most controversial features of reform is one of the most vital. it has been called the public plan. that is where republicans are zeroing in, sanjay, would a public option over time lower
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cost -- health care costs in the system? >> over time is the operative language in the question you just asked. not immediately. most people can put together if you are going to put more people on the -- get more people insured it is going to cost more money at least initially. there are some hopes. the hopes are if you get a healthier population because of more prevention, more wellness, a changing of the incentives towards those things over time health care costs as a whole should start to come down. it is worth reminding people as well john, the uninsured don't cost nothing. they still access the health care system, does still utilize health resources. people will guess $1 hoon billion takes care of the uninsured. you can start to do the math and see potential savings. over time, john, not in the immediate term. >> the president did an interview with jim lehrer.
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he was asked about the republicans saying they need to stop the president. listen to how the president compared this debate to one you lived through 16 years ago. >> there is a certain portion of the republican party that spews this like they saw 1993, 1994 the last time there was a major health reform effort they explicitly went after the clintons, said we are not going to get this done. that went down. and the -- at least the history the way it is viewed here in washington is that is what helped defeat democrats. it was a pure political play. a show of strength by the republicans that helped them regain the house. >> well, there are some parallels. in '93, '94 there were republicans like bob dole prepared to sign a bipartisan solution, that fell apart over time. and republicans gathered in opposition and it did help
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defeat the health care effort at that time. the danger for president obama now -- there is another parallel. the clinton plan started very popular and support crumbled in the public. the danger for the president now is support is beginning to crumble. >> sanjay, every time there is a big initiative in washington that costs money they talk about going after waste, fraud and abuse. they say there is wasteful spending in the system. if you squeeze it out you can reform. is that true? >> this is where medicine gets more into the art part than the science. the answer is yes. there is inefficiencies in the system. i'm a doctor. i was in the operating room today. why those inefficiencies occur and what you can do about it is more complicated. for example, a lot of tests are ordered, many of which are not necessary. why are the tests being ordered?
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doctors lining their coffers or defensive medicine? ask different groups you will get different answers. and comparative effectiveness. when you do a procedure is it going lead to a better, longer life for the patient? sometimes it is hard to answer that question. because we do this test or a certain procedure, does it make a difference? remarkably we don't know the answer to that. >> helping us dig deeper, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. as always there is a lot more online at "ac 360" including a link for an organization arranging free health care for needy americans who don't have insurance. you will see have an explanation if this. nobody landed a punch. some odd allergic reaction. the paper cut that --
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>> the surprising tie between murder victim byrd billings and one of his alleged killers. why money changed hands between the two. 40 years later, the jind leap for mankind as it happened and many people have never seen it before. (announcer) roundup extended control
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new developments tonight in the murder of the florida couple who adopted 13 children. authorities recovered a
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briefcase taken from the home of melanie and byrd billings. there are reports that the police may be looking at another motive other than robbery. as the new details emerge a daughter of the victims can't understand why her parents were killed. >> there shouldn't be anybody in the world that has that kind of hate to do something to anybody. i don't believe that anybody would deserve what's happened. they're wonderful people and i can't imagine somebody having that magnitude of hate in their life. >> es ccambia county sheriff jos us. you raise the possibility this could have been a contract hit. explain. >> no, sir. that was not a possibility that i raised.
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what i stated when asked that question is this investigation continues and we are not taking any motive off the table. this investigation will lead where it leads. that came out in one of the local papers. one of our local reporters stated he had information and informants that informed him of that. that is not out of the escambia county sheriff's office. >> you say you will take the investigation where it leads you. you can't rule that out? >> that is a new statement. the investigation continues. we have three persons of interest we are still interviewing. so it, again, for me to speculate it will go in that direction will be purely that, speculation. as we get deeper into this investigation it gets more strange and we are coming up with more questions than answers. >> mr. billings gave financial
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support for leonard patrick gonzalez jr. for a martial arts studio. do you know how far back that relationship goes? >> we understand that was within a year. i have nod reat those documents. my staff briefed me today. they are currently working with the state attorney's office to get documents together in preparation for the grand jury. to the best of my recollection he helped finance the opening of a martial arts school for mr. gonzalez jr. >> is it a possibility that mr. gonzalez had a debt he was unwilling or unable to pay and perhaps the murder was related to that? >> we have yet to determine that. again, as i've stated to many people many times we are not investigating the billings family. we are investigating the subjects we have incarcerated. the invest may lead to that because we will ask those
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questions, was the debt he made ever satisfied. >> gonzalez's wife tab that reached out to investigators. you interviewed her today. anything valuable gained from that conversation? >> as i understand the interview went well. she did it voluntarily. i understand the interview went very well and to the best of my knowledge she is back with her children. >> the associated press reported mr. billings had questionable moments in his past, owning a strip club, two years probation for an adoption scam. is there anyone from his past coming into the investigation? >> that is a broad swath. we will look at any business partners mr. billings had and coordinate with the billings family to verify those factses
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and confrontations with prior business owners. we are developing this case as we go along. just like with the allegations that were released by one of our local papers, we don't take anything off the table. as i try to remind folks, i'm not about speculation. we are fact based and that is where our investigation has to go. while it is good to have roundtable discussions and everybody postulate their theory on why the billings family met such a horrible demise that is not something i can involve myself in. >> i understand that. thank you for your time and patience tonight, sir. >> you're welcome, sir. a fire, a rescue and three people alive because of it including two young children. how heros are made. joe jackson said his son was the victim of foul play. he named names. what do the names have to do with that and what do the facts say ahead of "360."
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most people would agree our country's health care system is broken. but is it racist? "360" m.d. sanjay gupta investigates do hospitals treat black and white patients differently? first randy kay with the "360" bulletin. the top cop tracking the $750 billion t.a.r.p. program is concerned the treasury department are ignoring his proposals from preventing tax dollars from being wasted or pilfered. he listed in a 260-page report released today. he will be here tonight in an exclusive "360" interview. how suspected terrorists at guantanamo bay should be prosecuted. the department of jut has extended the group's deadline to
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six months. the confession is a boost to india's claims that terrorist groups in pakistan were behind the november attack. black scholar henne lewis gates jr. is accusing cambridge police of racism after he was arrested trying to get into his locked home near harvard university. police say they were called to the home after a woman reported seeing a man trying to pry open the front door. gates refused to identify himself, called an officer racist and said "this is what happens to black men in america." his colleagues say he is the victim of racial profiling. professor gates is part of our "black in america" special report. you do not want to miss that. >> there is a baby in there. and a dramatic rescue in milwaukee. a mother and her two young children pulled from their
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burning suv. the woman and her 2-year-old daughter were saved first. the 4-year-old son was trapped inside and rescued by two off duty firefighters who are also brothers. amazing rescue there. >> wow. remarkable. thank you, randy. next on "360," health care and race in america. are african-american patients getting the same care as white patients? first the conviction and now the public apology. chris brown says he is sorry for assaulting his ex-girlfriend ree anna.
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as president obama pushing
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to overhaul the nation's health care system, some americans say it is not just getting the right care. they say it is racism. there have been lawsuiting that hospitals do not treat white and african-american patients the same. are they true? dr. sanjay gupta went looking for answers. >> reporter: the reverend gary spears, the organist at this church in the bronx. cosmopolitan ame. a few years ago something happened to him, something he couldn't explain. he was scared. >> i received a paper cut and it became very badly infected. so over a period of months lost over 80 pounds, became nauseated at the sight of food, urinating every 20 minutes and you had a paper cut that turned into a full-flejed infection.
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and they said? >> change the gauze, take the antibiotic, you will be fine. >> reporter: spiers went to the emergency room. he went to an outpartial clinic. he never got a diagnosis or a single test. what happened to gary spears should never happen to anyone. new york is famous for its hospitals. sheikhs, kings come here in search of the best medical care. many people in the poorest neighborhoods say their experience is different. >> you literally have two separate systems of health care. patients with medicaid are sent to the hospital clinics for their specialty care and privately insured patients are sent to faculty practices. >> reporter: the quality of care in the two settings is not equal. she is lead attorney for a grassroots group bronx health reach. in a legal complaint filed last year with the state of new york
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they accused three large new york hospitals, of discrimination based on insurance status and race. the complaint targets clinics for diabetes and heart disease. illnesses that have an impact on african-americans. the hospital clinics for patients on medicaid or with no insurance are overcrowded and second rate. >> when you look at the demographics of the medicaid population in new york city and new york state, when you do the separation based on insurance you are segregating people based on race. >> reporter: is that fair? is insurance a good indicator of race. here is a number that caught my eye n. the bronx there are 19 times as many african-americans and latinos on medicaid as compare todd whites. the new york attorney general's office opened an investigation but won't tell us where it stands. the hospitals named in the complaint referred us to the
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greater new york hospital association. they said in a written statement the outpatient clinics offer care for the poor "where it other wi would not exist." this doctor runs a practice in the bronx. he says care varies wildly between race. >> if a black baby and a white baby were born on the same day the black baby would live eight years less than the white baby. you get people getting different types of care. one system with people with experienced doctors and another system where people are treating by rotating trainees. one system with good communication and another system with no communication back to primary care doctors. >> reporter: the church organist gary spears is not part of the
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complaint but was feeling lost with a terrible illness ravaging his hand and body. for months you had been searching for an answer. he finally gave it to you. what did you think? >> i was amazed. >> reporter: were you angry? >> i was shocked. >> next, part two of san yea's investigation. why his illness went undiscovered for so long. joe jackson making shocking allegations.
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for millions of americans being denied good medical care because of the color of their skin? claims of discrimination in the doctor's office and whether the allegations are founded or false. here is dr. sanjay gupta. >> reporter: gary spears was confused and afraid, a festering infection, chills, sweats, mass if weight loss. his hand wouldn't heal.
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to the doctors he was sent to at outpatient clinics it was a mystery. not to this doctor. he ran into gary spears and he says he knew the diagnosis insfantly. gary spears had a severe case of untreated diabetes and a simple blood test confirmed it. >> he immediately began to run tests and told me for the first time i was a diabetic and the reason why my body was not healing because i was a diabetic. >> reporter: spears had medical insurance and thought he had good care. he wondered why his illness had gone untreated for so long. >> i believe now after, you know, many years after this happening that it had to be because of my color. the color of my skin. >> reporter: because you are black? >> yes. they did not take that extra step to give me the medical care that i deserve and was entitled to as a human being.
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>> reporter: dr. neal calman says it is a pattern not just in new york. >> it is proven through studies a black man and white man going to the hospital with exactly the same splant will be treated differently. that has been shown through study after study. >> reporter: in one of those studies cardiologists were shown tapes of people complaining about identical symptoms and the doctors were more likely to order additional tests for the white patients. no question the difference between medical care and health is different between blacks and whites. the real question is why. it is complicated. insurance issues, economic differences, the physical environment. but if you scratch just below the surface you find race is on a lot of people's minds. i sat down with gary spears and two others who wanted to tell me about their experience with
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outpatient hospital-run clinics, long wait times, no regular doctor. there was something more, something personal. how many of you believe the health care system the way it is now is racist? it is stunning to hear that. i think maybe you think about people waiting longer in clinics or seeing different doctors each time but to say that it's racist is a pretty remarkable thing. >> i'm amazed when i ask my congregation and groups we have how many of you felt that you were not treated correctly and hands go up. >> reporter: because of the color of their skin? >> yeah. >> reporter: the reverend robert foal yes is the pastor at new york cosmopolitan church. he is an outspoken voice. at first he didn't want to talk about race. his goal, equal better care for
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everyone, especially the poor and uninsured. you can't ignore race. he has a story, too. >> i had an experience with rashds to my late wife. >> reporter: his wife had a pain in her side. her doctors played it down until it was too late. ovarian cancer and just 18 months to live. >> that always bewildered me. why -- how could this happen and why did it happen? when you have this color skin and you run into situations that are inexplicable to you, that don't seem to be reasonable, it makes you wonder what is generating this. it does. >> reporter: gary spears is back at the church organ. he was in that similar situation. we now know what he thinks about it. he suffered too much and too long just because he is black. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, new york.
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"black in america ii" the struggle, solutions and challenges. watch this groundbreaking special wednesday and thursday. tomorrow on "360," cop killer or innocent man? troy davis is on death row. 20 years later key prosecution witnesses have recanted their testimony sparking a battle between the victim's widow and inmate's sister. here is a preview. >> this case for me is about truth and fairness. yes, we want to find what happened to officer mcbail not for my family to save my brother but his family because i believe the right person is not behind bars. >> troy made a choice and not only destroyed my own family's life but destroyed his own family's life. he knew what he was doing and chose wrongly. >> is the right or wrong man behind bars? don't miss gary's report on "360." up next, joe jackson speaks
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to cnn and talks about foul play in his son's death. randy kay joins us with that and more. chris brown asking for forgiveness. his on-camera apology for attacking rihanna when "360" continues. %%%%%%%%%%%
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michael jackson's father told larry king he believes foul play led to his son's death and he was being controlled by the promoters of his london concerts. randy kay, the autopsy, toxicology results not made public yet. but there is plenty talking about possible criminal charges. >> this has been going on for weeks, whether or not somebody would be charged in this case.
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michael jackson's death will likely not result in murder charges. investigators are working their way down a list of jackson's doctorstrying to figure out who prescribed, what when. i spoke to the d.a.'s office again today asking about murder charges or criminal charges and was told "it is all speculation. i was told the case has not been presented to the district attorney. there is no telling when that might happen. latoya jackson saying her brother was murdered and the singer's father suggesting there was foul play. the problem with charges in a case like this is it seems jackson was getting so many different drugs from so many different doctors it may be hard to prosecute because one doctor
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may not know jackson was doctor shopping. the bottom line here, deputy coroner ed winter said they are not investigating doctors. they are investigating a death. very important clarification. >> let's add tito jackson to the conversation. what about the comments he made to a london tabloid about jackson's doctor. >> we are talking about conrad murray who said he tried to give the singer cpr after he stopped breathing. dr. murray has been interviewed twice by investigators. his car was seized. his lawyer says he is not considered a suspect, but a witness. the sun in london interviewed tito jackson and he said "my opinion is he panicked when my brother didn't wake up. i think the doctor probably figured there would be trouble. he tried to revive michael f. he
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had immediately called for help he would definitely still be alive." strong statement. we called dr. murray's office and were told they do not want to speak out against the jackson family. a spokesperson for murray's lawyer said we are going to help investigators come up with a solution as to what killed michael jackson. finally, wanted to get back to that back and forth between joe jackson and his friend leonard rowe which you saw on larry king tonight. they told larry king the promoter forced him into a grueling schedule and would not back down. we were digging to get to the bottom of this. aeg told me two weeks ago jackson agreed to 31 shows and agreed to 50 shows because he needed the money. we got a statement from aeg and it reads whether michael jackson was doing one show or 50, the
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rehearsal preparation and schedule would have been exactly the same. he had the option to change his schedule and did decide to miss certain days. the show's schedule was based on his schedule. that is coming from aeg tonight. leonard rowe told me more than a week ago michael jackson didn't want to do so many shows. clearly the two sides still don't see eye to eye on this. >> clearly they don't. you can understand the family's grief, you get the impression those investigating would wish the family didn't speak out so much. now the allegations from joe jackson. he said his son's death was no accident. he is blaming everyone from michael jackson's doctor to the company producing the london concerts. joe jackson in his own words. >> how did you learn of michael's passing? >> well, i learned that by some
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of the fans, you know, they called me and they told me that the ambulance was leaving michael's house headed towards the hospital. >> how are you doing? it is four weeks later. is it any easier? >> well, you know, i took it very hard but, you know, i'm sort of a tough person myself. but i took it very hard but i didn't let nobody know about it. yes. >> did you get a chance to say goodbye? >> yes. i said goodbye to him when he was up, well, when he was up there in front of us. i said i'm saying goodbye to him now. what others say, that's what they say. what i'm saying is i do feel the loss of my son, michael jackson, who was an international star all over the world. >> you didn't get to see the body or say anything? >> no, i did not. >> to the remains. >> no, i did not.
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>> do you wish you could have? >> i could have. i wanted to see michael -- i wanted to remember michael alive because i didn't want to see him laying up in a casket. >> are you surprised, joe, you were left out of the will? >> well, i wasn't too surprised because, you know, that's what the way he wanted it. it is not going to hurt me. that i was left out of the will. it happened. >> i know you are denying the stories about violence. as you look at it, were there any mistakes you made? >> i didn't make no mistakes, larry. because michael was raised properly. he didn't run the streets like most of those other kids that was in his neighborhood. >> why did he say you were -- >> listen, now. you have to understand me. don't cut me off, larry.
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>> okay. >> michael had his own brothers and sisters to play with. most of those kids that was michael's age during that time they are not living now. >> you never physically harmed him? >> never. never have. i raised him just like you would raise your kids. but harm michael for what? that is my son. i loved him. i still love him. >> with more on the investigation into michael jackson's death and the legal fight for his children we are joined by lisa bloom. despite what we heard from joe jackson saying he believes this is a case of foul play. the police say there is nothing to suggest murder right now. homicide is different from murder. still in the cards maybe? >> absolutely. you have to listen to that statement very carefully. murder is the intentional premeditated killing of another human being. i don't think anyone is suggesting someone intentionally took michael jackson's life.
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the question is was there a negligent homicide by a doctor who may have administered a medication knowing it could cause seriously bodily harm or death. more likely what we might see if there is a criminal charge is what we saw in the anna nicole case, giving medication to a known addict, allowing a false name to be put on a prescription. those are lower level charges that could be lobbied against doctors. >> you hear potential charges and speculation, nothing to suggest homicide right now. what is the general track record for how long these cases play out? can these drag on for months or perhaps a year or more? >> once we get the toxicology reports we are going to know what was in michael jackson's system. law enforcement may already know the answer to that. we in the public don't know.
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a medication that is supposed to be administered by an anesthesiologist we will see charges of murder. michael jackson was an adult. he was well represented by attorneys, agents, publicists, it is an arm's length agreement. if he entered into an agreement that was too much for him he could have changed it. i don't see any civil or criminal charges against the concert promoter. >> the custody hearing was delayed again. there are reports janet jackson and her sister rebbi are interested in raising the children. >> when a hearing is put off it
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tells me settlement negotiations are in the works. neither side wants a custody battle. i would expect behind the scenes debbie rowe and her attorney is getting together with michael jackson's family and trying to put this thing to rest and avoid an ugly custody battle. >> lisa bloom, thanks. up next, breaking news on california's budget mess. $26 billion worth. chris brown breaks his silence, his emotional apology to rihanna and his fans. neil armstrong's giant leap for mankind 40 years after it happened. our shot ott the day coming up on "360." (woman) the dust might be settling... that's great, but i'm not. ♪ (second man) i guess i'm just done with doing nothing, you know? ♪ (third man) oh, i'm not thinking about moving my money.
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talking in time. it is our shot of the day. randy kay with the "360" bulletin. breaking news out of california. governor schwarzenegger and top state lawmakers reach an agreement on closing the state's $26 billion budget short fall. the governor's spokesman saying it needs to be put on paper and to a vote but a deal is in place. chris brown is publicly apologizing for the beating of rihanna. speaking publicly in a two-minute video on his website. >> i thought it was time you heard directly from me that i am sorry. i have tried to live my life in a way that can make those around me proud of me and until recently i think i was doing a pretty good job. i wish i had a chance to live those few moments again but unfortunately i can't. i can't go into what happened and i'm not going to make excuses. what i did was inexcusable.
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i am sad and ashamed of what i have done. my mother and my spiritual teachers have taught me way better than that. i have told rihanna countless times and i'm telling you today i am truly sorry i wasn't able to handle the situation better and differently. michael vick is a free man. his federal sentence ended today. he no longer has to wear an electronic monitor and can step up his efforts to resume his pro football career. the beasty boys have canceled their concerts while one of the group's members battles cancer. and "american idol" fans may see a change next year. paula abdul's manager says it does not appear she will return to the show. she has not received a contract proposal from the producers. fox says the network won't
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comment. her fans are flooding twitter with messages of support. ryan sea crest who signed a $45 million deal said he can't imagine doing the show without her. such drama at "idol." >> do you want to be a judge? >> no. i'm very busy in this hour. >> and we wouldn't let you go. a man who walked on the moon 40 years ago tonight. at the top of the hour, president obama's health care battle and what it means for you and your family. the raw politics, coming up.
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for "the shot" that one small step and giant leap that happened 40 years ago tonight at
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10:56 eastern on july 20, 1969, neil armstrong set foot on the moon. at that moment the entire world witnessed one of the greatest achievements of all time. take a peek. >> the eagle has landed. >> that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> there you go. >> oh, geez, that is great. is the lighting half way decent? >> yes. they have the flag up and you can see the stars and stripes. >> i had my apollo model kit. every kid wanted to be an astronaut. >> i love they were worried about the lighting, making sure
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the shot came out. incredible stuff. i can't believe it has been 40 years. look how far they have come. >> the big debate is whether to go back, whether to spend that money. it is amazing to see those pictures. president obama trying to do what richard nixon couldn't do nor lind donn johnson or harry truman or bill clinton. health care reform, is it in critical condition once again?
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but i did. you need to talk to your doctor about aspirin. you need to be your own advocate. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. you take care of your kids, now it's time to take care of yourself. tonight, breaking news, shocking allegations by michael jackson's
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father telling larry his son was the victim of foul play and naming the people he blames. we are looking closer at those allegations and taking it several steps beyond. randy kay has been breaking jackson stories daily. working hard on these developments. >> quite an interview larry king just had. joe jackson and family friend leonard rowe made allegations calling michael jackson's death foul play, saying he was controlled by the promoter of his upcoming concert, aeg. they say michael was not in control of his finances and he was not allowed to make his own decisions and he was being made to do more concerts than he had agreed to. he was being told to do that. we are digging to set the record straight. a couple of things you should know. aeg the promoter said michael jackson was healthy enough to go ahead with all of these shows. ceo randy phillips said right here on "360." aeg told us a couple of weeks ago michael jackson agreed to do 31 shows not the ten shows you heard from those two gentlemen tonight and agreed to do 50
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because he "needed the money." that was from randy phillips. when i interviewed leonard rowe who you saw there tonight on "larry king" just two weeks ago he told me jackson asked him to call aeg and work out an easier schedule. spread out the shows more. he said he called randy phillips of aeg. phillips told us he never spoke to leonard rowe. rowe said they spoke. we have been in touch with aeg. we will share their response to the accusations by leonard rowe and joe jackson. the latest turns on whether this is heading toward a criminal investigation and why tito jackson, m.j.'s older brother, michael jackson's older brother thinks his doctor may be to blame. john. >> the tragedy followed by a mess. >> yes. a lot to make sense of. we want to set the record straight and will do that later on. >> see you a bit later. randy kay. president obama's growing push for health care reform the growing push to stop it and rising doubts about how president obama is handling the issue.
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david gergen who calls it crucial to the obama presidency the republicans are trying to wound mr. obama by killing his plan. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. first candy crowley sets the stage. >> reporter: they don't call it the bully pulpit for nothing. >> we can't afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care. this time not now. >> reporter: health care reform is a heavy lift weighted down by complex problems, competing interests, a $1 trillion price tag conservative democrats in sticker shock and republicans loaded for bear. >> does president obama's health care plan represent socialism? >> yes. next question. >> reporter: for the third time in four days the president pushed urgently, sometimes combatively. >> let's fight our way through the politics of the moment, let's pass reform by the end of this year. >> reporter: this wednesday a news conference, thursday the
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cleveland clinic, et cetera. >> many, many days, yes. i think obviously this is a crucial time for health care reform. >> reporter: presidents don't work this hard when things are going well. they work this hard when something's in jeopardy, especially when that something is one of the crown jewels of your campaign. >> i will finally keep the promise of affordable accessible health care for every single american. >> reporter: when the campaign trail gives way to nitty-gritty of policy, it takes a toll. the percentage of americans who approve of the way the president is handling health care dropped below 50%. in an abc/"washington post" poll. 49% approve, 44% disapprove. that disapproval rate has jumped 15 points since april. >> americans aren't being fooled and we are discovering the truth about his plan which includes rationed care, trillions in new costs and high taxes. >> reporter: the president and
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senator demint are engaged in a cross town showdown of sorts. demint told conservative activists if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo, it will break him. >> think about that this isn't about me. this isn't about politics. >> reporter: if republicans were the only thing between him and reform the president could put his feet up. he can't because conservative democrats are balking at the proposed new tax hikes to pay for reform and the trillion-dollar price tag. when an independent budget analysis showed leading health care proposals will increase the deficit and not provide promised saisks they freaked. >> i think it is a devastating blow. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: probably not a fatal one. he won't get it all but the president will likely get enough of something to declare victory. in politics if you can't get what you want, want what you get. candy crowley, cnn, washington. >> digging deeper with david
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gergen and sanjay gupta. you have legitimate policy disagreements in the congress. the president has a different plan. how did this policy debate become such a political problem? >> because it is enormously complex issue with 17%, 18% of the economy represented by health care. and the president essentially did not come forward with his own plan but left it to congress. one of his problems is while the public agrees with the president that the current system does not work, is unsustainable, does not work in the long term, they are becoming so concerned there are so many cooks in the kitchen there is a sense this is being thrown together and people aren't quite sure that the recipe that is coming out is one they can swallow and it would be any better than the current system. >> sanjay, one of the major goals is you have to lower costs long term in the health care system.
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writing in "newsweek" magazine, senator edward kennedy tries to add his voice to the debate even though he is in massachusetts because of his own health issues. he says, to accomplish all of this we have to cut the costs of health care. for families who've seen health insurance premiums more than double from an average of $6,000 a year to $13,000 since 1999, one of the most controversial features of reform is one of the most vital. it has been called the public plan. that is where republicans are zeroing in, sanjay, on the public option. how would -- or would a public option over time lower costs -- health care costs in the system? >> over time is the operative language in the question you just asked. probably not immediately. most people can put together if you are going to put more people on the -- get more people insured it is going to cost more money at least initially. there are some hopes. a couple of things worth pointing out. the hopes are if you get a healthier population because of more prevention, more wellness,
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a changing of the incentives towards those things over time health care costs as a whole should start to come down. it is worth reminding people as well, john, the uninsured don't cost nothing. they still access the health care system, does still utilize health resources. people will guess $100 billion takes care of the uninsured. you can start to do the math and see potential savings. over time, john, not in the immediate term. >> the president did an interview with jim lehrer. he was asked about the politics of this, republicans openly saying they need to stop the president from getting this initiative done. listen to how the president compared this debate to one you lived through 16 years ago. >> there is a certain portion of the republican party that spews this like they saw 1993, 1994 the last time there was a major health reform effort they explicitly went after the clintons, said we are not going
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to get this done. that went down. and the -- at least the history the way it is viewed here in washington is that is what helped defeat democrats. it was a pure political play. a show of strength by the republicans that helped them regain the house. >> well, there are some parallels. in '93, '94 there were republicans like bob dole prepared to sign a bipartisan solution, that fell apart over time. and republicans gathered in opposition and it did help defeat the health care effort at that time. the danger for president obama now -- there is another parallel. the clinton plan started very popular but over time support for it crumbled in the public. the danger for the president now is support is beginning to crumble for the overall effort. >> sanjay, every time there is a big initiative in washington that costs money they talk about going after waste, fraud and
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abuse. they say there is wasteful spending in the system. if you squeeze it out you pay for the reform simply by doing that. is that true? >> this is where medicine gets more into the art part than the science. the answer is yes. there is inefficiencies in the system. i'm a doctor. i was in the operating room today. why those inefficiencies occur and what you can do about it is more complicated. for example, a lot of tests are ordered, many of which are not necessary. why are the tests being ordered? doctors lining their coffers or defensive medicine? ask different groups you will get different answers. also this idea of what is known as comparative effectiveness. when you do a procedure is it going lead to a better, longer life for the patient? sometimes it is hard to answer that question. because we do this test or a certain procedure, does it make a difference? remarkably we don't know the answer to that.
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answering some of those questions could make us a more efficient system. >> helping us dig deeper, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. as always there is a lot more online at "ac 360" including a link for an organization arranging free health care for needy americans who don't have insurance. while you are at ac360.com let us know what you think. you will see an explanation of this. nobody landed a punch. some odd allergic reaction. >> a paper cut that turned into a life threatening condition. did he get lousy treatment because of the color of his? >> the surprising tie between murder victim byrd billings and one of his alleged killers. why money changed hands between the two. 40 years later, the giant leap for mankind as it happened and many people have never seen it before.
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new developments tonight in the murder of the florida couple who adopted 13 children. authorities recovered a briefcase taken from the home of melanie and byrd billings. they believe the alleged mastermind behind the attack new mr. billings. there are reports that the police may be looking at another motive other than robbery. as the new details emerge a daughter of the victims can't understand why her parents were killed. >> there shouldn't be anybody in the world who has that kind of hate to do something to anybody. i don't believe that anybody would deserve what's happened. they're wonderful people and i can't imagine somebody having that magnitude of hate in their life. >> escambia county sheriff joins us.
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you believe a second motive other than robbery. you raise the possibility this could have been a contract hit. explain. >> no, sir. that was not a possibility that i raised. what i stated when asked that question is this investigation continues and we are not taking any motive off the table. this investigation will lead where it leads. that came out in one of the local papers. one of our local reporters stated he had information and informants that informed him of that. that is not out of the escambia county sheriff's office. >> you say you will take the investigation where it leads you. you can't rule that out? >> that is a true statement, sir. the investigation continues. we have new individuals we are interviewing. we have three persons of interest we are still interviewing. so it, again, for me to speculate it will go in that direction will be purely that,
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speculation. as we get deeper into this investigation it gets more strang, sadly and we seem to be coming up with as many questions as answers. >> mr. billings gave financial support for leonard patrick gonzalez jr. for a martial arts studio. do you know how far back that relationship goes? is that financial relationship, how does it help you with your investigation? >> as we understand that was within a year. i have not read those documents. my staff briefed me today. they are currently working with the state attorney's office to get our documents and evidence together in preparation for the grand jury. to the best of my recollection he helped finance the opening of a martial arts school for mr. gonzalez jr. >> is it a possibility that mr. gonzalez had a debt he was unwilling or unable to pay and perhaps the murder was related to that? >> we have yet to determine that. again, as i've stated to many
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people many times we are not investigating the billings family. we are investigating the subjects we have incarcerated. the investigation may, in fact, lead to that because we will be asking those questions, was the debt he made ever satisfied. again, our focus is on mr. gonzalez not on the byrd family. >> gonzalez's wife tabitha reached out to investigators. you interviewed her today. anything valuable gained from that conversation? >> as i understand the interview went well. our investigators wanted to speak to her about timelines. she did it voluntarily. i understand the interview went very well and to the best of my knowledge she is back with her children tonight. >> you mentioned the focus was not the billings. the associated press reported mr. billings had questionable moments in his past, owning a strip club, two years probation for an adoption scam. is there anyone from his past coming into the investigation?
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>> that is a broad swath. you just cut there about people who came into his path. we will look at any business partners mr. billings had and coordinate with the billings family to verify those facts and confrontations with prior business owners. we are developing this case as we go along. just like with the allegations that were released by one of our local papers, we don't take anything off the table. as i try to remind folks, i'm not about speculation. we are fact based and that is where our investigation has to go. while it is good to have roundtable discussions and everybody postulate their theory on why the billings family met such a horrible demise that is not something i can involve myself in. >> i understand that. thank you for your time and patience tonight, sir. >> you're welcome, sir. a fire, a rescue and three people alive because of it including two young children.
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how heros are made. joe jackson said his son was the victim of foul play. he named names. what do the names have to do with that and what do the facts say, ahead on "360." )d)d)d)d)d)d
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most people would agree our country's health care system is broken. but is it racist? "360" m.d. sanjay gupta investigations that hospitals treat black and white patients differently. first randy kay with the "360" bulletin. the top cop tracking the $750 billion t.a.r.p. program is concerned the treasury department are ignoring his
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proposals for preventing tax dollars from being wasted or pilfered. he lists his concerns in a 260-page report released today. he will be here tonight in an exclusive "360" interview. the task force looking into how suspected terrorists at guantanamo bay should be prosecuted will have more time to finish its work. the department of justice has extended the deadline to six months. the lone gun man in the mumbai attacks confessed. the confession is a boost to india's claims that terrorist groups in pakistan were behind the november attack. black scholar henry lewis gates jr. is accusing cambridge police of racism after he was arrested trying to get into his locked home near harvard university. police say they were called to the home thursday afternoon after a woman reported seeing a man trying to pry open the front door. according to the police report, gates refused to identify himself, called an officer
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racist and said "this is what happens to black men in america." his colleagues say he is the victim of racial profiling. professor gates is part of our "black in america" special report. that is wednesday and thursday night. you do not want to miss that. >> there is a baby in there. and a dramatic rescue in milwaukee. a mother and her two young children pulled from their burning suv. the woman and her 2-year-old daughter were saved first. the 4-year-old son was trapped inside and rescued by two off duty firefighters who are also brothers. amazing rescue there. >> wow. that is amazing. remarkable. remarkable. thank you, randy. next on "360," health care and race in america. are african-american patients getting the same care as white patients? dr. sanjay gupta investigates. first the conviction and now the public apology. chris brown says he is sorry for assaulting his ex-girlfriend rihanna. the video, his words, ahead.
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as president obama pushes to overhaul the nation's health care system, some americans say it is not just getting the right care. they say it is racism. there have been lawsuits that hospitals do not treat white and african-american patients the same. the allegations are, of course, disturbing. are they true? dr. sanjay gupta went looking for answers. >> reporter: the reverend gary
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spears, the organist at this church in the southwest bronx. cosmopolitan ame. a few years ago something happened to him, something he couldn't explain. he was scared. >> i received a paper cut and it became very badly infected. >> reporter: so over a period of months lost over 80 pounds, became nauseated at the sight of food, urinating every 20 minutes and you had a paper cut that turned into a full-s if ledged infection. and they said? >> change the gauze, take the antibiotic, you will be fine. >> reporter: spiers went to the emergency room. he went to an outpatient clinic. he never got a diagnosis or a single test. what happened to gary spears should never happen to anyone. one thing about new york, it is famous for its hospitals.
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sheikhs, kingses the rich and famous come here in search of the best medical care. many people in the poorest neighborhoods say their experience is different. >> you literally have two separate systems of health care. patients with medicaid are sent to the hospital clinics for their specialty care and privately insured patients are sent to faculty practices. >> reporter: the quality of care in the two settings is not she is lead attorney for a grassroots group bronx health reach. in a legal complaint filed last year with the state of new york they accused three large new york hospitals, of discrimination based on insurance status and race. the complaint targets clinics for diabetes and heart disease. illnesses that have an impact on african-americans. the hospital clinics for patients on medicaid or with no insurance are overcrowded and
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second rate. >> when you look at the demographics of the medicaid population in new york city and new york state, when you do the separation based on insurance you are segregating people based on race. >> reporter: is that fair? is insurance a good indicator of race. here is a number that caught my eye. in the bronx there are 19 times as many african-americans and latinos on medicaid as compared to whites. the new york attorney general's office opened an investigation but won't tell us where it stands. the hospitals named in the complaint referred us to the greater new york hospital association. a spokesman said it is unfair to blame hospitals for the black and white health gap. in a written statement he said the outpatient clinics offer care for the poor "where it otherwise would not exist." dr. neil calman runs a practice there the bronx.
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he says care varies wildly between race. >> if a black baby and a white baby were born on the same day the black baby would live eight years less than the white baby. >> reporter: the clinic system, he say, not good enough. >> what you end up with is you get people getting different types of care. one system with people with experienced doctors and another sjs where people are treated by rotating trainees. one system with good communication back to people's primary care doctors and another system with no communication back to primary care doctors. >> reporter: the church organist gary spears is not part of the complaint but was feeling lost with a terrible illness ravaging his hand and body. for months you had been searching for an answer. he finally gave it to you. what did you think? >> i was amazed. >> reporter: were you angry? >> i was shocked. >> next, part two of sanjay's investigation. we'll reveal what illness
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are millions of americans being denied good medical care because of the color of their skin? claims of discrimination in the doctor's office and whether the allegations are founded or false. we're keeping them honest. once again, here is dr. sanjay gupta. >> reporter: gary spears was confused and afraid, a festering infection, chills, sweats, mass if weight loss. his hand wouldn't heal. to the doctors he was sent to at outpatient clinics it was a mystery. not to dr. neil calman.
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by pure chance he ran into gary spears. he knew the diagnosis instantly. gary spears had a severe case of untreated diabetes and a simple blood test confirmed it. >> he immediately began to run tests and told me for the first time i was a diabetic and the reason why my body was not healing was because i was a diabetic and i had to get my glucose numbers under control. >> reporter: spears had medical insurance and thought he had good care. he wondered why his illness had gone untreated for so long. >> i believe now after, you know, many years after this happening that it had to be because of my color. the color of my skin. >> reporter: because you are black? >> yes. they did not take that extra step to give me the medical care that i deserve and was entitled to as a human being. >> reporter: dr. neil calman says it is a pattern not just in new york.
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>> it's been absolutely proven through studies that a black man and a white man going to the hospital with exactly the same complaint will be treated differently. that has been shown through study after study. >> reporter: in one of those studies cardiologists were shown tapes of people complaining about identical symptoms and the doctors were more likely to order additional tests for the white patients. no question the difference between medical care and health is different between blacks and whites. the real question is why. i'll tell you, it's complicated. insurance issues, economic differences, the physical environment. but if you scratch just below the surface you find race is on a lot of people's minds. i sat down with gary spears and two others who wanted to tell me about their experience with outpatient hospital-run clinics, long wait times, no regular doctor. there was something more,
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something personal. how many of you believe the health care system the way it is now is racist? it is stunning to hear that. i think maybe you think about people waiting longer in clinics or seeing different doctors each time but to say that it's racist is a pretty remarkable thing. >> i'm amazed when i ask my congregation and groups we have how many of you felt that you were not treated correctly and hands go up. >> reporter: because of the color of their skin? >> yeah. >> reporter: the reverend robert foley is the pastor at new york cosmopolitan church. he is an outspoken voice. at first he didn't want to talk about race. his goal, equal better care for everyone, especially the poor and uninsured. you can't ignore race. and it turns out, he has a story, too. >> i had an experience with regards to my late wife.
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>> reporter: his wife had a pain in her side. her doctors played it down until it was too late. ovarian cancer and just 18 months to live. >> that always bewildered me. why -- how could this happen and why did it happen? when you have this color skin and you run into situations that are inexplicable to you, that don't seem to be reasonable, it makes you wonder what is generating this. it does. >> reporter: gary spears is back at the church organ. he was in that similar situation. we now know what he thinks about it. he suffered too much and too long just because he is black. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, new york. this week a new chapter in an epic report, "black in america ii" the
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michael jackson's father told larry king he believes foul play led to his son's death and he was being controlled by the promoters of his london concerts. randy kay, the autopsy, toxicology results not made public yet. but there is plenty talking about possible criminal charges. >> this has been going on for weeks, whether or not somebody would be charged in this case. michael jackson's death will likely not result in murder charges against any of his former doctors. investigators are working their way down a list of jackson's doctors trying to figure out who prescribed what, when and whether they were prescribed under false names. they want to know if any of thee prescribed drugs contributed to his death. i spoke to the d.a.'s office again today asking about murder charges or criminal charges and was told "it is all speculation. i was told the case has not been presented to the district attorney. there is no telling when that might happen.
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all of this, of course, comes in the wake of la toya jackson saying her brother was murdered and the singer's father suggesting there was foul play. the problem with charges in a case like this is it seems jackson was getting so many different drugs from so many different doctors it may be hard to prosecute because one doctor may not know jackson was doctor shopping. which sources have told us he was. the doctors may not have known what else he was taking. the bottom line here, deputy coroner ed winter who is the lead investigator in the case said they are not investigating doctors. they are investigating a death. very important clarification. >> let's add tito jackson to the conversation. what about the comments he made to a london tabloid about jackson's doctor. >> we are talking about conrad murray who said he tried to give the singer cpr after he stopped breathing.
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he was at the house that day. dr. murray has been interviewed twice by investigators. his car was seized. then returned. his lawyer says he is not considered a suspect, but a witness. meanwhile "the sun" newspaper in london interviewed tito jackson and he said "my opinion is he panicked when my brother didn't wake up. i think the doctor probably figured there could be trouble. he tried to revive michael. i believe if he had immediately call for help we might still have my brother here today. he would definitely still be alive." strong statement. we called dr. murray's office and were told they do not want to speak out against the jackson family considering their loss. a spokesperson for murray's lawyer said we are going to help investigators come up with a solution as to what killed michael jackson. finally, wanted to get back to that back and forth between joe jackson and his friend leonard rowe which you saw on larry king
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tonight. they told larry king the promoter for what would have been jackson's final tour forced him into a grueling schedule and would not back down. we were digging to get to the bottom of this. aeg told me two weeks ago jackson agreed to 31 shows and agreed to 50 shows because he needed the money. now tonight we got a statement from aeg and it reads in part, whether michael jackson was doing one show or 50, the rehearsal preparation and schedule would have been exactly the same. he had the option to change his schedule or miss a rehearsal and did decide to miss certain days. the show's schedule was based on his schedule. that is coming from aeg tonight. leonard rowe told me more than a week ago michael jackson didn't want to do so many shows. just didn't want to work that hard. clearly the two sides still don't see eye to eye on this. >> clearly they don't. you can understand the family's grief, you get the impression those investigating would wish
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the family didn't speak out so much. >> i think so. >> randy kay, thanks so much. now the allegations from joe jackson. he told larry king tonight his son's death was no accident. he is blaming everyone from michael jackson's doctor to the company producing the london concerts. joe jackson in his own words. >> how did you learn of michael's passing? >> well, i learned that by some of the fans, you know, they called me and they told me that the ambulance was leaving michael's house headed towards the hospital. >> how are you doing? it is four weeks later. is it any easier? >> well, you know, i took it very hard but, you know, i'm sort of a tough person myself. but i took it very hard but i didn't let nobody know about it. yes. >> did you get a chance to say goodbye? >> yes.
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i said goodbye to him when he was up, well, when he was up there in front of us. i said i'm saying goodbye to him now. what others say, that's what they say. what i'm saying is i do feel the loss of my son, michael jackson, who was an international star all over the world. >> you didn't get to see the body or say anything? >> no, i did not. >> to the remains. >> no, i did not. >> do you wish you could have? >> i could have. i wanted to see michael -- i wanted to remember michael alive because i didn't want to see him laying up in a casket. >> are you surprised, joe, you were left out of the will? >> well, i wasn't too surprised because, you know, that's what he willed. that's the way he wanted it. it is not going to hurt me. that i was left out of the will.
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it happened. >> i know you are denying the stories about violence. as you look at it, were there any mistakes you made? >> i didn't make no mistakes, larry. because michael was raised properly. he didn't run the streets like most of those other kids that was in his neighborhood. >> why did he say you were -- >> listen, now. you have to understand me. don't cut me off, larry. >> okay. >> michael had his own brothers and sisters to play with. most of those kids that was michael's age during that time they are not living now. >> you never physically harmed him? >> never. never have. i raised him just like you would raise your kids. but harm michael for what? i have no reason. that is my son. i loved him. i still love him. >> with more on the investigation into michael jackson's death and the legal fight for his children we are
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joined by cnn legal analyst lisa bloom. despite what we heard from joe jackson saying he believes this is a case of foul play. the police say there is nothing to suggest murder right now. homicide is different from murder. still in the cards maybe? >> absolutely. you have to listen to that statement very carefully. murder is the intentional premeditated killing of another human being. i don't think anyone is suggesting someone intentionally took michael jackson's life. the question is was there a unintentional killsing, a negligent homicide by a doctor who may have administered a medication knowing it could cause seriously bodily harm or death but did it because michael jackson insisted? more likely what we might see if there is a criminal charge is what we saw in the anna nicole case, giving medication to a known addict, allowing a false name to be put on a prescription. those are lower level charges that could be lobbied against doctors.
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>> you hear potential charges and speculation, nothing to suggest homicide right now. what is the general track record for how long these cases play out? meaning should we know the answer to whether there would be such a charge shortly or can these drag on for months or perhaps a year or more? >> once we get the toxicology results we are going to know what was in michael jackson's system and that will drive the criminal investigation. law enforcement may already know the answer to that. we in the public don't know. if prophifal is in his system, a medication that is supposed to be administered by an anesthesiologist we will see some criminal charges, but probably not homicide. the charges against the promoter the jackson family members claim, that is extremely unlikely. michael jackson was an adult. he was well represented by attorneys, agents, publicists,
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everything possible available to him. it is an arm's length agreement. if he entered into an agreement that was too much for him he could have changed it. i don't see any civil or criminal charges against the concert promoter. don't see civ charges against the concert promoter. >> the custody hearing was scheduled today, delayed for a second time. janet jackson and her sister, rememberby, are interested in raising michael's children. what do you make of this? >> as an attorney when a hearing it put off twice, that tells me one thing. settlement negotiations are in the works and highly likely. neither side wants to see a custody fight here which most of us think this is a good thing if this can be resolved. i would expect behind the scenes debbie rowe and her attorney is getting together with michael jackson's family and their attorneys and trying to put this thing to rest and avoid an ugly custody battle. >> lisa bloom, thanks. take care. you take care. up next, breaking news on california's budget mess. $26 billion worth. singer chris brown breaks
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40 years ago tonight neil armstrong took one giant leap for man kind and kept on walking. see his historic moonwalk 40 years ago almost exactly to the moment if i stop talking in time. our 360 bulletin. breaking news. breaking news out of california, in fact. governor schwarzenegger and top state lawmakers reaching agreement on closing the state's
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$26 billion smart fall. the governor's spokesman saying it needs to be put on paper and put to a vote but a deal is in place. chris brown publicly apologize apologizing for the beating of rihanna. brown spoke to fans on a two-minute video released to fans on his website. >> i think it's time you hear directly from me that i'm sorry. until recently, i thought i was doing a pretty good job. i fish i had the chance to live those few moments again. unfortunately i can't. i cannot go into what happened. i'm not going to sit here and make any excuse. i take great pride in me being able to exercise self-control. what i did is inexcusable. i'm sad and ashamed of what i've done. my mother and spiritual teachers taught me better than that. i've told rihanna and i tell you
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today i'm sorry i wasn't able to handle the situation better. michael vick a free man tonight. vick's federal sentence ended today. no longer has to wear an electronic monitor and free to step up his efforts to resume his profootball career. delayed the release of their next album. one of the group's members bats cancer. adam told fans in a video he has a cancerous tumor in a salivary grand. "american idol" fans may see a change next season. paula abdul's manager said it does not appear she'll return to the show. she has not received a contract proposal from the show's producers. a fox spokesperson says the network won't comment on her contract. fans are flooding twitter with messages of support. ryan sea crest who signed a $45 million deal twittered he can't imagine doing the show without her. drama at "idol."
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for the "shot," that one small step and giant leap. it happened 40 years ago tonight. at 10:56 p.m. eastern on july 20th, 1969, apollo 1 astronaut
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neil armstrong stepped foot on the moon. the entire world witnessed one of the greatest achievements of all time. take a peek. >> the eagle has landed. that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. there you go. >> that's great. is the lighting half way decent? >> yes, indeed. they've got the flag up now and you can see the stars and stripes. beautiful. >> i had my apollo model kit. every kit wanted to be an astronaut then. >> i can just see you with that. i love they were worried about the lighting making sure the shot came out. pretty incredible stuff. i can't believe it's been 40 years. >> it's numbing that it's 40 years. >> look at how far they've

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