-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight born into the wrong body. cher's firstborn used to be chastity, now chaz is focusing attention on sexual identity, and the confusion, conflict and agony it can cause. >> it's very important to me that people accept me as a female. >> alexis arquette made the transition from man to woman with the help of her famous supportive family. she's here, along with a former reality show contestant, the

mayor of an american town, and a 13-year-old with his mom. they know something about transgender issues firsthand. brains tell them one thing, their bodies say something else. then, jon and kate's sex p sextuplets have competition. meet the new kids on the block, next on "larry king live." i'm dr. drew pinsky sitting in for larry king. chaz bono is not the only high-profile case of someone transitioning too another sex. actress alexis arquette was born a boy. her documentary, "she's my brother" was featured at the tribeca film festival. both of our guests can help us better under what this is all about. alexis, how do you feel about class's preparing for surgery

and how he -- i should call him, he? >> him. i believe that he came out as a transgendered male, but i also think that he said he didn't want to be interviewed anymore about it. full stop? he is a transgendered male and i think we need to respect his privacy at this time. >> so, we should stop talking about it. >> i think we can talk about the issue. but it's really common for people to believe it's all right to ask questions to transgendered people. >> people ask you questions? >> absolutely. it's above and beyond the things people say on the streets that you don't know. >> bad things? >> yeah. also and if you're meeting somebody that you know and it's not a bad thing, they feel often that it's okay to ask you if your pre-op, post-op. these questions are, i mean, really there's only reason to ask about what's in someone's pants or skirt and that it's not -- and that's not to discriminate against them certainly. >> okay, let's get away from that a little bit and talk about the issue of being a celebrity undergoing this procedure.

does that make it more difficult? >> i don't think it's more difficult for people who are either raised in families of celebrities or celebrities themselves. i think, if anything, we've been prepared to deal with press and media. but i think it's more an exposing-type thing. because it's not about your work. it's not about, you know, what you want to contribute as an entertainer, or your family has, it's only about your very personal identity issue. >> do you know chaz? >> i've met chaz, and, you know, i've always felt that -- i mean, you can't judge people on the way they look. there's certainly a lot of people that are a different group of transgenders, you know, which i consider them just as genuine, the people that choose alter egos and consider themselves no cross-dressers, often, most of them, are heterosexual males. >> okay. >> and i just feel like, you know, if someone comes out and says, hi, world, family, friends, media, i'm transgendered, you know, at that point if they go any deeper, it's really -- it gets a little

perverse. it gets a little sideshow freakish. >> so we should leave it as -- this is what chaz's publicist says -- so, he's interested in talking about it. >> yeah. >> to open people up, to be more tolerant about this issue, it seems. >> right. i'm happy to speak about it to anyone, even if it's somebody i don't know. but i certainly -- i have boundaries, limits. >> so, your personal experience is something you prefer to keep off-limits. >> yeah. >> his mom, chaz's mom, cher, had this to say -- that's pretty nice, right? >> yeah. >> that's what you're looking for from your family.

>> but she also said a couple of things which made be worried. she said she'd strive to understand. that's all you can expect from someone. >> may i ask you how your family reacted? >> you know, the thing is, i was in a pretty liberal family. i mean, i wore makeup since i was 12. but they weren't in denial so much as their fear was that if i came out as a transgendered and lived my life as a woman, i might receive a lot of flak from people on the street and -- >> and it's been okay? >> -- even violence. >> has it okay? >> anybody who has seen my reality show called "real life" i have a hard time always holding back when it comes to my anger towards people's unacceptance of those who are different. >> now, you decided to go ahead and create a documentary about your experience. >> certainly did. >> given that you wanted to keep this personal, i'm a little confused -- >> yeah. >> -- why if you want to be personal, you decided to keep it a documentary. >> well, i wanted to do a documentary just on myself and taking the path. i met with dr. gary alter here

and he was wonderful and i learned a lot. >> are you trying to open the topic for the public? >> he did a physical examination of me, i let them film that. but i said of full stop, i'm not going to go any further than that. because why would you need to know? the fact of the matter is, living as a woman is different than living as a man, but i want to be equal to everyone else. how do you treat a woman differently than a man? open a door for her? that's kind of '50s. i think that stuff is over. >> and the doctor is here with us as the surgeon that did your surgery and you courageously documented some component on film and it's called "alexis arquette, she's my brother." is that correct? let's take a look at this. >> i remember the first time i ever saw a transsexual. >> where was it? >> it was in chicago and we were really little. i must have been like 6 or 7 and you were probably 4 or 5. >> where was it at? >> it was at a coffee shop and we had to go pee, and mom took us to the bathroom and there was this transsexual in there.

mom was freaked out. mom was, no, no, no! that's not okay! you can't go in there, oh, my god! and it really stuck with me that moment. because when you started developing and you started finding yourself and -- >> uh-huh. >> -- i wondered if that was a traumatic moment for you. >> the beginning of my documentary, i was totally at odds that i needed to be monitored by anybody. but talk to me a little bit about harry benjamin and the protocol. >> the important thing, i think the bottom line of what alexis says is that -- is that transsexualism is an identity thing. it really is not a sexual thing. it's what you feel yourself to be. she feels, has, since a child to be a woman. so, whether she undergoes surgery or not is somewhat irrelevant. the public may get some kind of a -- of a joy out of knowing whether or not she had the surgery. >> it's confusing for people who are not familiar with it. >> right. >> so, why do the surgery?

>> the surgery, to make you feel more complete. >> so, some people want it, some don't is basically it. >> some it's really a desperate thing. where they have visions of mutilating themselves. they really have a genuine hate for their bodies. and -- >> does that go away after the procedures? >> yes, it does. some people come in having tried to castrate themselves. and then also some people undergo the surgery to be able to have sex like their chosen sex. when we come back, we'll meet a man who used to be a woman. and he has something about this, or if you have something to say about this or any other topic go to cnn.com/larryking. click on "blog" and have your say. stay with us. only one a day men's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration. plus support for heart health. that's a great call. one a day men's.

our next guest was on "larry king live" almost two years ago when he hadn't quite finished his transformation. brian salins joins us again here tonight. he was born a female but at the age of 25 began a long, complicated journey to become a man. so, ryan, where are you now with it? >> i guess i am what you would consider a post-op transsexual. >> so you've completed the transformation. >> yes. >> you've had the lower surgery. >> yes. >> chest, face, adams apple. there's other things you do other than the genitalia? >> i've had the chest surgery and the hysterectomy and the lower surgery. i didn't have to do anything with the adam's apple or facial reconstruction because the tess

to s -- >> hsome do decide it and some don't. can you differentiate why you felt the need to do that. >> i felt emotionally complete when i was on "larry king live" last time. but for my physical completeness, i didn't feel that i would be complete unless i could stand and pee. >> to be able to stand and urinate, that's how you knew you had completed the transformation. so you went ahead and had the surgery. are you dating right now is >> i'm in a relationship with my -- >> significant other? >> well, she's my honey. i call her my honey. >> do you ever think you were 58? >> no. not gay. i thought i was a lesbian for about eight months when i first started dating my partner. >> this is where i get a little confused. that's different from gay? >> well, he's a male now, so sometimes transgendered males, transmen are attracted to other men. >> and i know that a lot of

female -- males to females i've treated oftentimes still have lesbian relationships afterwards. that's common, dr. alter? >> it is common. what you have to understand is that when you get into the situation where you're dealing with transgender, they don't look at sex as like do. they look more at the person and the relationship, okay? so, a lot of times they may not be so interested in what sex the partner is, but they're more interested in the person. so, so, i would call him straight, because he's into a female, he's into women. >> a transgender straight male. >> but, of course, but he wouldn't even call himself straight, okay? because, more importantly, he's into another person that he has a meaningful relationship with. >> got it. >> and if you ask a lot of male to females, which i have, i've talked to them. i said, what are you looking for? are you looking for a man or are you looking for a woman. commonly i get the response that it doesn't matter so much. i'm looking for a person that i

can connect with. >> let's dial it back and talk about your family of origin. have they been accepting? have they been supportive? >> my brother who is nine years older than me. was supportive from the get-go. my sister has come around. and my parents, it's taken about four years, but i feel, even since the last time i was on this show, they have swung to a more positive side. my dad actually refers to me as ryan now, which is a huge step. >> did you ever wonder why this happened to you? >> it just happened. i don't know. >> but, i mean, as a kid, were you ever wondering, why me, why has this happened? is it confusing, alexis? >> a lot of parents would say, i remember you dressing up in the other gender. i want parents out there to know that it's totally natural for kids to make-believe and play games. it does not mean your child is going to be transgendered. and even fit were true, why is it such a horrible thing? >> well, it shouldn't be. ryan, presently are people

accepting? do people know about your transgendered status? do you feel comfortable with how you are being received? >> it's interesting how it masculizes you. >> is it important for you to be identified or would you rather not be? it's an interesting question, because sometimes you want to stand up and say, this is what i've done, on the other hand, maybe not. >> i wouldn't run down the hall saying i'm trans , but i am an out transman. because i think it's important to tell the story to take away the freakish part of the story. next, an "america's top model" contestant, we'll find out how she's doing now in 60 seconds. s not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long.

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"america's top model." she joins us now. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. >> hi. thank you. >> my pleasure. you apparently prefer the phrase born in the wrong body rather than transgender. why is that? >> well, actually, i prefer woman, because that's what i identify myself as. but as far as the whole transition, i prefer born in the wrong body, because i was a woman who was born in a body of a male. >> does the term transgender trouble you in some way or -- >> i just really don't prefer it. i don't know -- i don't know exactly what it is. but as far as, like, the term transsexual, i just totally don't prefer at all. transgender, you know, i guess i'm just kind of seeing myself as this is something that i went through, and now i am complete. i'm not saying that everyone to have the surgery, but for myself, this is my completion and i am a woman. >> and you feel very good about this? you feel like it was a good thing? >> yes, i do. >> so, let's address this. what was it like when wru a

contestant on "america's top model" and you were transitioning, what was it like? >> it was a hard experience considering that i had to worry about other things that the other girls didn't have to. but, you know, i still tried to, like, think about winning the competition and that was the main objective. so, i tried not to really think about it and talk about it. although it looked like i talked about it -- talked about it a lot on the show, you know, i just tried to compete and hoped that all the girls would view me the same way as everyone else. >> let's take a look at your final day on "america's next top model." >> isis, what happened? you were supposed to go so far. the girl that we saw in those photos last season is not here. she's disappeared in her pictures, and she's disappeared in personality. but if you want to be a model, you can, and you're already an inspiration for the gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual community. i think i said them right, didn't? >> yes, you did, honey.

yes, you did. >> so, you need to know that. and you need to work on those eyes, or else you'll be wah-wah. >> is it true that tyra banks was involved in funding the procedure? >> yes. tyra found dr. bowers, and, you know, made the whole thing possible between the two of them, so that was a very big blessing for me, because i had no idea it was going to happen. so, yes, i'm very blessed to have both of them. >> how long did it procedure take? what was the recovery time like? how much did it cost? >> well, the procedure -- the procedure itself was about 3 1/2 to 4 hours. the recovery time, the full recovery, was three months. i am just coming up on four months, and it's, like, next week. and for dr. bowers, i think the price is, if i'm not mistaken, are going to rise. but somewhere between $18,000 and maybe $24,000. >> hen your patients do select to have this surgery, when that's important to them, do you

feel like you've done something important to them and changed their lives in a positive way? >> oh, absolutely, so positive. many of them feel like this is their rebirth. >> it is. >> and for somebody like him, oftentimes the females to males, what they want is their chest surgery. they have breasts and they can't integrate in society with breasts. so, a lot of transgenders who are female to males, all they want is the chest surgery, and they don't want anything with their genitals. in fact, that's the main, the largest numbers. >> i wanted to say, drew, before we go that, you know, i'm really proud to be a transgendered female. you know, it's okay for isis to feel she is a woman. she is a woman. she's a transgendered woman, and where whole life she will be that. we need to know that we have pride in the people that we are. some people pass. some people it's very important to them. to me when i walk down the street, i'm totally okay with being recognized as a transgendered female. >> isis, last comment? >> and i think also, you know, i know with the -- with the circumstances are, but, you

know, there are people that feel different ways. you know, i'm not trying to say that i'm not proud of my whole transition, because obviously i wouldn't put it public. but, you know, there are some people that prefer this or that, but i know that i've always been a woman, so this is just what i prefer to identify myself as. >> and our thanks tonight, and me personally to dr. alter to his expertise. everyone else is staying with us. silverton, oregon's mayor is making waves, not for his politics, but because of this. he lives as a woman.

welcome back. silverton, oregon's mayor is the first openly transgendered mayor in the united states. stu rasmussen is here to talk with us about his unique situation at city hall and at home. also joining is michelle golan clinical psychologist and contributor to momlogic.com. thank you, guys, for joining us. stu, to you first. do you identify -- where do you identify yourself in this spectrum we've been talking

about tonight? >> there's male and there's female and there's short and there's tall. i'm somewhere in between. >> do you identify as heterosexual? >> absolutely. >> you're heterosexual and it's more of a cross-dressing or cross -- >> i appear to be female. or am i a lesbian and a male and straight? it just kind of rattles around in your head for a while. >> that's why i get confused. people in your town i understand think very highly of you. have they pushed back at all or had any reaction to your identification publicly as a woman? >> i think we did the transition fairly slowly and people had the chance to go, what's going on with stu? >> which is something i imagine they said before the gender issues. >> oh, yeah. >> there they see you as being a trickster. >> yeah, a little bit. and actually, very few people ask me about it, but my life partner, victoria, got lots of questions from people. what is stu doing. what's going on there? >> why stop where you stopped? >> i got to a point where i've

got exactly the body i want. i like what i see in the mirror. i didn't see any need to do anything further. i like -- i mean, it seems like it's a family show, but i like the sexual aspects of being a male and i like the appearance aspects -- >> how about your partner? >> i have to be honest and say although i look like i'm 45 years old, i'm actually 60. and that end of the relationship, it's more a -- it's not a sexual relationship anymore. >> is -- it's a she, yes, victoria? >> he is very much a she, yeah. >> has she had a reaction to your transformation at all? has she had something to say about it? >> well, this is certainly something we discussed, you know, before doing it. honey, i'd really like cleavage. she said okay. so, that was about the extent of the discussion. and she'd known i was a cross-dresser for years and had sort of put up with my little peccadilloes -- >> i see. so, it was something she'd become accustomed with you and

this was more of that. >> this is more of that. and we are two exceedingly compatible people and we're deeply in love and it's the best relationship on the planet. >> doctor, people tend to get confused. because in this program we're talking about gender and sexuality as two separate topics and they're both kind of on the move at this desk tonight and i think it confuses people. how do we understand it? >> i think it's important to understand that sexual orientation is different from sexual identity. is different from gender identity. sexual orientation is one longing and romantic and passionate, connected feelings. >> your drives. >> your drives toward either the same sex or the opposite sex or both sexes or no sex. i mean, or not. >> and gender identity? >> and gender identity is an enduring sense of self. i am a female. i feel myself to be a female. right? but transgendered people have the physical parts of a male,

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we're joined now by 15-year-old ryan and his mother fran. ryan was born a girl and went by the same of sara until recently. friends use male pronouns when referring to him but mom still calls ryan her daughter. thank you for joining us, you guys. >> thanks for having us. >> now, ryan, you're 15, is that correct? >> yes. >> do you get disturbed when your mom still refers to you as a female?

>> sometimes i say "he" under my breath or -- but i don't know. i can't really correct her now. >> when did you realize you were different? >> when i was a little kid, i realized that something was just missing. i didn't really feel complete. >> did you say something to your mom right away or your dad, and if you did, how did you do that? >> no, i didn't say anything to anyone. i kept to myself. >> was that hard? >> not really, because i didn't really know exactly what it was. i thought it was a normal thing to feel. >> when did you first realize what this was? >> i think two years ago someone -- i met someone who was transgendered, and i was, like, well, that must be what i am. that's how i feel. >> and fran, mom, what was your reaction when i guess i should

say sara to you, when sara came to you about this issue? >> i have to say i was supportive. i did tell her that there's really not much that could be done about that right now, and maybe it's better to kind of put it on the back burner and not worry so much about what your gender is. >> did you know what she was talking about at the time? >> no, i really didn't understand so much. at first she came out to me as being lesbian, and that really was not a very big deal to me at all. you know, it's my child, and no matter how she feels, i will always love her and be supportive of her. >> but as a parent, it's -- but parenting is a tough job and you can be sort of anxious about being a child -- about having a child, so i would imagine when sara came to you about this, it provoked some anxiety. how did she present it, and how did you react? >> she brought it to me by

calling me outside to sit on the front porch, and she was crying. sobbing. crying. because she feels different. and by different, what do you mean by different? so, she expressed to me that she feels that she is a boy trapped in a girl's body. and -- >> ryan, was that tough? i imagine that was very painful. >> yes. i was crying a lot. i really didn't know how to tell my mom, but i just felt like at that moment i had to tell her. >> do you want to have a surgery to have your gender status reassigned, ryan? >> eventually, i'd like to get top surgery, but i'm not so sure about bottom surgery, just because technology hasn't really advanced that much yet. >> and then, mom, how do you feel about that? >> yeah, whatever she feels comfortable doing. >> do you ever worry that -- >> i just want her to be happy. >> i understand that.

of course, we all do as parents. but, you know, it's got to be confusing, and anxiety provoking. and do you ever worry that this is a phase and she'll regret having the surgery? >> i do think it could be a phase. it's when you're 15, you know, the world is a little bit confusing. >> well, and it's -- >> just for your average 15-year-old. >> fran, it's interesting when you responded that way, several of our panelists here in the studio sort of cringed like saying, no, this is something we lived with for our whole life. so, we'll continue talking about it. as a parent i can understand why you think maybe it will change or maybe it will go away. but it is something that does tend to persist. i want to thank both of you and wish you the best of luck. ryan, it's pretty cool having a mom that you can go to and loves you to matter what, so you've got a good situation there. >> thank you. >> you're quite welcome. we will continue this discussion right after the break. ceit keeps my airways ope. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long.

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and it's not a steroid. and we are talking about the transgender world and hope you get a better understanding of what this is all about. so, dr. golland, our panel is still here, obviously. i want to pick up the conversation where we left off with fran and ryan, which is what to do with adolescents that begin to step wup these some m symptomologigies. when your child is a teenager and they come to you with this you've done something right as a parent. >> the fact that they feel open enough to come to you. >> the fact that they feel safe and open and are honest with you, that's enormous. and so you have to really, really accept that they are sort

of trying to unburden themselves and that they feel safe enough with you to do so. >> is it a phase? >> i would say most likely no. >> you guys, the panel, agree? >> well, i mean, no, it's not a phase. >> isis is still with us. she doesn't agree. >> did you ever go through a period where someone said, oh, it will be okay, family, friends? >> my experience, it wasn't necessarily with me, but somebody i hired to work in my business who claimed to be transsexual and she at the time was 17 or 18 and was surgery tracked and ready to go. and two years later, i ran across her, and he had fathered a couple of children and was back as a male. >> well, i've seen some data that sometimes in therapy people lose the desire for therapy. isis, you said, yes, people told you it was just a phase? >> you hear that. especially i'm, like, i'm african-american in our culture,

let alone being gay, being born in the wrong body is something really not heard of until now, so, of course, you hear things like it's a phase and you're going to get through you. and i'm, like, no it's not a phase. but it's something you have to tell yourself and that's the thing you don't really have to prove to others. you have to figure for yourself that that's just really for you. so, i get that obviously. >> i'm going to go around the table now and get some final thoughts. alexis? >> it's very important to me that people accept me as a transgendered female, but it's ridiculous to a lot of people and i understand that. men and women are very, very similar. i think the closer we can get to one another, the more we'll understand a lot of these issues. >> brian? >> i think it's interesting, because growing up a female, if you're a tomboy, that's acceptable, versus growing up and being more effeminate, you're a sissy. >> pejorative term. >> i was accepted as a tomboy growing up, but it wasn't good enough for me.

there was something that wasn't feeling right. i was fortunate to understand at age 24 that i was transgendered and to move forward with it. >> stu? >> i grew up being a nerd, so i didn't worry about being described as a sissy. where i am right now, i'm having more fun than a drunken cowboy with a brand new pickup. >> isis, you get the very final thought. >> i'm happy that this topic is coming up more and more, because there are so many young people that even come to me and tell me, you know, that this is the way they feel, but they're scared to tell their parents. i'm happy it's out there more, the more you see i, the more you realize it is normal and that people are born like this and it will be easier for the next generation to come up and tell their parents. like the young guy on here, like, when i was 15, i couldn't -- i couldn't do that. i didn't come out and tell my mother until i was 20. by that time i was already finished and college and ready to move out and move to new york so, you know, i'm happy that the children now are able to do that now. and hopefully with this and with

more other shows and just being out there more, that it will be easier. >> well, i think you're right. this has been a very, very interesting discuss. i want to thank all of you for being here and being so open. and now move over jon and kate. we're switching topics entirely. there's a new group of sextuplets, the word "sex" is in here at least. there's a new group of sextuplets on the block. and they are going to join us in 60 seconds. >> larry: tonight's hero is a lifesaver. she survived breast cancer which was a powerful motivation for starting the florida breast health initiative. here's andrea. >> throughout my ordeal and recovery. >> going to make a difference and save some lives. i thought about those women who were losing their fight against breast cancer because they lacked access to treatment and awareness about the disease. >> larry: so, how does your program work? >> we target single family households. with median incomes of between $30,000 to $40,000 and we take teams of volunteers in.

we knock door to door. we provide each household with a valuable information package. you need to know what's normal and abnormal. including the early detection guidelines for breast cancer. like where you can get low and no-cost screening. then when we identify a woman who is 35 years or older, our dedicated volunteers make appointments on the spot for a free mammogram. >> larry: what's the best way to get young women to become proactive about this? >> early detection is the key. that's our mantra, that's what we herald as we go door to door. we want to make sure that every woman, first of all, is aware of the importance of breast health and they know the early detection guidelines for breast cancer. and they also have the tools to remain cancer-free.

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you and you whoo-hoo ♪ >> here they are. the moms lay themselves out on behalf of multiples. i'll ask a broad, sweeping question to start this. how do you survive this? >> lots of prayers. >> okay. >> lots of family. and for me diet coke probably. >> diet coke. >> i was going to say good sex and great booze. >> brian! >> we'll have to get into this a little bit. the cameras are actually rolling. >> he is so kidding. >> i'm just kidding. >> you might turn to that one day. i understand. i will tell you a little bit more when i get to discuss my own history. i have triplets myself, so i feel very bonded to you guys. >> absolutely. >> triplet parenting is something that bonds people deeply together. my hair started as your color and it turned this color after the first six months. >> i didn't have a ing isle gray

hair until a few years ago. >> the show chronicsle starting about year one, is that right? >> actually, the preg -- this show? >> the sextuplets. >> yes. >> you had a previous show. >> yes, a one-hour documentary. >> did it go through the delivery and the first six months? >> yes. >> the first six months were the most fairly survivable i'll call it. >> totally. >> because people don't appr appreciate it, there is always somebody awake. in your case not somebody, but usually two somebodys. how did you get through the first six months? >> it was really, really tough. the toughest thing was our marriage. you're exhausted. you have the six little people that need you 24/7 and we didn't know how to get along. because it was just was overwhelming. so, it's kind of a blur now that they're 2. >> yeah, yeah. >> but i do remember just trying to make it through every minute, you know? okay, let's make it one more minute. okay, one more hour.

okay, one more day. >> it is survival mode. and when we come back, should the masches be worried about the presence of tv cameras in their children's lives? ahead on "360" president obama didn't mean to malign the cambridge police when he said the department acted stupidly. hear from the president tonight in his own words. and my interview one-on-one with the police officer on the scene with sergeant crowley when arested professor gates. also breaking news, the investigation in to michael jackson's estate. we're learning tonight that millions of dollars have now been recovered from a jackson survivor. those stories ahead on "ac360." nutrisystem for men: flexible new programs personalized to meet your goals. what's great about nutrisystem is you eat the foods you love and you lose weight. i'm dan marino. i lost 22 pounds on nutrisystem and i've kept it off for three years. for a limited time, get an extra three weeks of meals free!

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no, grant, no, no, no, no! >> alled kit ethe kids get mudd nasty and dirtpy. i was having nothing about that. >> we are talking about the new show which features their six children. sextuplets. i've got triplets, so i know something about multiples, but it's hard to imagine six babies all at once probably because i know how impossible triplets are. with all the concern about the cameras have done to the kids with "jon and xate plus 8." do you worry about the cameras? >> i'm not quite as worried as jen jenny. our situation is different. the cameras are only around five days of the month. six to eight hours a day. they work completely around the children's nap schedule and the feeding sced you'll. it's really quite different. i think the only thing we have similar is the fact that we are

parents of sextuplets. >> the "jon and kate" series, they follow them all the time, is that right, or for the most part? yours is a very isolated, contained have full-time jobs. this is kind of like a fun documentary on the side. >> so thus far you have no ill feelings about the experience? >> not at all, no. >> what do you say -- let me ask a tougher question, to people who say that is exploiexploitiv? >> i don't think it is. we had all these documentaries growing up as a family, i think i would think it is really cool. it is an opportunity very few people get to experience. >> nothing is being taken away from them as a result of the cameras? >> no. >> are you paid for it. >> there a modest compensation.

you don't get paid for interviews and news events, but there is compensation for the series. >> i hope so. >> you have to have a little. i'm working 12 days a month instead of 17 days a month. >> you are the primary bread winner. >> we both are. >> you are a physicians assistance and i'm in pharmaceuticals. >> we have a good support structure. she works nights. i work days. >> let me stop you. the singlet parents think, somebody stays home and somebody goes to work. with multiples you are never man-to-man, you are always in a zone. >> zone defense. >> zone defense, but the best, you go before four on six and it starts to get unsafe.

who is in there with you? family or community? >> no. >> just family and friends. in the very, very beginning we had people from our church that would come over and help out. >> for six months. >> with a singlet, there are two parents and one child. you need 12 people. you laugh -- >> we have gotten good at it. i'm home alone with them during the day. i can do it. >> ki do it in the evening. >> you have safety measures. you have doors they can't get into. you have a back yard with a wall so there is no way to get out. >> i understand what you are saying. fence everything and pad everything. aren't you worried people would become critical? you are not doing enough parenting? >> we are there 24/7. i'm with them all six of them, i don't ever get anything done until they go to bed. >> you are looking at the sex up the lets in the green room,

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be careful, honey. no. no. no. you are sitting on your sister. >> i don't think this is going to work. >> okay. i will put them on speaker. >> hi, savannah. cole and blake. >> hi. >> mommy's stuck. i have babies hanging off of me

everywhere. >> what's the matter, molly? don't squish yourself behind there. why are you doing that? no. no. you have to keep your hands away. >> we are talking to the masches about raising six up the lets. i think i have grant and blake, don't i? >> you do. >> they are so beautiful and so happy. they are fantastic. did you have any opinion about octo mom? >> i think it is overwhelming. >> that is a different situation. >> totally different. >> imagine that many kids and being a single parent. >> i don't know how she's going to do it. i have no idea. >> look how beautiful these kids are. they are so well behaved. i would like to do something for them. how about bringing out a birthday cake to celebrate.

>> whoa. >> cake. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to savannah bailey molly cole grant and blake happy birthday to you ♪ >> yay! >> happy birthday. >> baby, look at that. >> mom, we are not going to help you with the weight loss. you haven't had to lose any weight. you lost everything on the table. >> yes. exactly. >> thank you so much. this is such a treat. >> you guys deserve a little bit. >> it is such a treat. >> thanks for joining us. thank you. >> 17 years old. the best thing we can show is you can be happy, make it through and have a marriage that works. dad, one of the things that

happens, speaking of the weight and carbohydrates, multiple dads tend to gang more weight. >> it happens, actually. >> it is a nesting phenomenon where dads gain weight. how much did you gain? >> i gained about 35 pounds. i have taken ten off. >> mom has lost -- hasn't gained a pound. dad gained 25. >> i know. >> you have to be around to put these kids through college. lose that weight. somebody pregnant with multiples, one piece of advice? you can do it. >> you can do it. not matter what. >> you are going to hit walls. you are going to take daily walls. don't look ahead at tomorrow. get through today. if you get through today you'll be able to get through -- >> anything about maintaining your marriage? >> we have a few rules. >> which is? >> don't let the sun go down on your anger, go to bed in the

same bed, don't spend more than three days away from each other. i don't have female friends that i spend time with alone. she doesn't spend time with male friends alone. >> we meet with our pastor. and date night. huge thing. date night. you have to have that. >> when you leave, did you have difficulty leaving the kids behind? >> it is still difficult. >> they hang on to your legs. >> we realize we have to be healthy for each other. if we are not healthy for each other there is no way we can be healthy for the kids. >> they need to learn going and coming. >> yeah. >> by the way, thank you for giving me the -- blake wants daddy. thank you for giving me the kids who don't like cake. >> that is very unusual. >> come here blakester. >> well, you guys, thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much.