weren't the one hit with a bat, cooper. >> no one was injured. thank goodness. see the most recent shots on our website at ac360.com. that does it for 360. thanks for watching. larry king starts now. see you tomorrow night. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, breaking news bombshell in the michael jackson case. his personal doctor administered the powerful anesthetic that authorities believe killed him. why did he give jackson propofol? did he provide it on the day jackson died? is he officially a suspect in the king of pop's death? dr. conrad murray's lawyers aren't talking tonight but inside sources are. plus, the gates take. what did the harvard professor's neighbor report to police? hear her 911 call for yourself right now on "larry king live."

i'm jim moret from "inside edition" sitting in tonight for larry king. joining us to talk about the breaking jackson news, our cnn's ted rowlands and extra's carlos diaz. ted, first to you. what can you tell us about the investigation? >> according to a source which is close to the jackson family and has knowledge of the ongoing death investigation into skrax's death, dr. conrad murray, his personal physician who was with him when he died, administered propofol or diprivan to jackson in a 24-hour period prior to jackson's death. significant because it's the first time we've connected dr. murray to this drug which we've been talking about a lot the last few weeks. this is the first confirmation to a source of a connection between murray and jackson. >> carlos, this steps up the entire scope of the investigation and the nature of it, with respect to dr. murray.

>> it focuses it on dr. murray. for the last month we've been saying dr. murray is a suspect, although his lawyer has long said he's not. in fact, his lawyer issued a statement saying we will not be commenting on rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources. it's one of those situations where now because of this unnamed source, we're looking at dr. conrad murray more specifically than any other doctor that's being looked at right now. that's the thing. i mean, it's nothing new we haven't heard before. it's who we're hearing it from from which is someone from the jackson household. >> ted, do we know where dr. murray is, if he's in contact with authority? >> we don't know where he is specifically. his lawyers aren't telling us. clearly they are in contact with the authorities. in fact, they were supposed to meet for a third time last friday. following the search warrant served in houston, that meeting was, quote, postponed. and they have not yet scheduled another meeting. clearly they are in contact. if they want to talk to dr.

murray, his lawyers say he's totally available. anything they want, they can -- we should clarify, he is by no means a suspect in this case. >> right. and as carlos mentioned, his lawyers have steadfastly maintained his innocence. you tried to contact his attorneys late this afternoon. what did they tell you? >> basically that as carlos said, they're not going to comment to what they call rumored innuendos or sourced reporting. they will not comment until they find out what's in jackson's body. they're not going to comment on anything unless it comes from an official. >> it's curious, because they really stepped this thing up last week. because the search warrants were issued, and they were the first to come forward saying that they were -- the authorities were looking for evidence of a homicide, of manslaughter. >> mms. >> that was dr. murray's own attorney. >> but they took it from the search warrant and you could look at it two ways. why would their attorneys say, you know, throw out the word manslaughter? they clearly took the wind out of the sail from a reporter

running around the courthouse and said ah hah, manslaughter. i don't read too much into that. it was a bombshell when it came out but it makes sense from a strategic standpoint. they maintain they are cooperating. >> they're getting in front of the story. the lawyers, you know, are trying to maintain some normalcy here by saying, okay, well, this is what we have to say. that's why i think it's very telling that, today, the statement they put out is very terse and very to the point saying we're not going to comment. this is the first time the lawyer has said, okay, we're not going to comment on that. that might be something to read into right there. >> we want to add dr. murray has throughout all of this maintained his innocence. ted, you said he's not officially a suspect but he was the subject of a massive search. >> yeah. it could be -- there could be for search warrants coming down in connection to this case. keep in mind the dea is working with local police here and they are looking at everything that jackson was prescribed and everything doctor that administered "x," "y," or "z." so that, in itself, makes sense.

the glaring thing in the search warrant saying the word manslaughter in terms -- when they went to the judge they had to get probable cause, obviously. they went to the judge and said we're looking for information that could lead to the crime of manslaughter. so that was eye opening, but murray -- there could be other people still out there. we've got to be real careful to say he's a suspect in a murder or homicide when we don't know what the cause of death is. >> still, sources still saying this doctor administered diprivan or propofol to michael jackson. carlos, there were reports of various drugs found in the doctor's room where he was staying at michael jackson's mansion. that's significant as well. >> it is significant. it is significant dr. murray was the one who led authorities there when he was questioned on saturday night after the death of michael jackson. he basically said there are drugs in this closet, in this room, drugs authorities overlooked. he's been very forthcoming and very, you know, outright with saying these are where the drugs were and they found diprivan at that time. that's where the whole diprivan

story started when they found diprivan in his home. >> i want to remind viewers, these are items recovered by investigators from dr. murray's house and his storage unit. a computer, two hard drives, 27 tablets of a prescription strength appetite suppressant. a tablet of clonopine. anti-anxiety medication. rolodex cards. what is the significance of these items? notices from the irs. laundry list of hospital documents. >> a couple e-mails to a specific person. we did found out through a source that that individual, that mystery woman in the e-mail confiscated as part of the search warrant, is an individual who had a storage locker in her name, not dr. murray's name in houston, but was using it for dr. murray. that's according to a source familiar with the investigation. >> basely in a case like this, the dea is involved. they do this all the time. they know what they're looking

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welcome back to "larry king live." i'm jim moret from "inside edition" sitting in for larry tonight. joining us now, defense attorneys. mark geragos. former jackson attorney. and trent copeland. and robin sax who is a former los angeles county deputy

district attorney and author of "predators and child molesters." trent, you're also a cbs legal analyst. i don't wan to slight you any -- former deputy d.a., you have this evidence now for linking this doctor to using the substance that investigators believe killed michael jackson. as a prosecutor, what do you do with it? >> i'm thinking i'm filing charges first thing in the morning if that's the report i'm actually getting. the only question in my mind is whether it's going to be second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter. >> many people would say, wait a minute, you're jumping the gun, you first have to know where he got the drug. did he get it from michael jackson? where do you look at? give it to him and that's it and it killed him? >> if he was the person that administered this drug and he was the last doctor tending to him and knows this drug can only be administered in the hospital, regardless if it was prescribed by someone else, received by someone else. i get those people, too, don't get me wrong. first i would start with dr. murray. >> and mark, you hear charges may be filed.

you're the attorney for dr. murray. what do you look for? we know, for example, there was a problem with some of the evidence. the house wasn't secured. do you look at any of that or do you just go -- >> i would look at everything. i'm sure that the lawyers have done a parallel investigation at the same time. so while the cops are investigating this, dea is investigating this, my investigators out there. i've got a team of investigators that would be out there if they're doing it. the thing that is going to be probably one of the biggest problems for him is i think one of the things we can say definitively that isn't speculation is he did talk to the cops and he talked to lapd for hours. if you talk with them for hours and if he admitted that he was the one who gave diprivan, propofol to michael jackson and if it's found in the body, the next thing i'm going to do is i'm going to want to as a defense lawyer get an expert in there to tell me what's going on, how did that interact with

michael jackson's body? that's going to be where robin is going to zone in on. she's absolutely correct. any d.a., especially the d.a.s i suspect are handling this case right now are going to take a real, hard look at whether this is an implied malice murder case, a second-degree murder case. because you're going to find doctors everywhere who have been all over saying, look, you don't administer diprivan anywhere outside of a hospital. unless you have a hospital setting in that house, itself, that's a real problem. that's what's going to give me pause as the defense lawyer. >> so, trent, this could be a step up, then, from manslaughter and go right to a murder case. do you look -- if you represent this doctor and say, wait a minute, this wasn't the only thing in his system, there were other doctors involved, i was simply the last guy there -- >> yeah. the reality is part of his defense is going to have to be, look, i'm the last man standing. >> he even said that. >> yeah. i am not the guy who either

administered this drug, provided this drug or gave him this drug in any shape, form or fashion. i think that's going to be one of the things. as mark indicated a second ago, he would have his paralleled investigation going on at this point. he'd have a team of investigators looking to some of the very same things that are happening from the d.a.'s perspective. the problem with that is i don't think that's happening. i mean, he's got a lawyer who is in texas. he's got a lawyer who now apparently has also gotten a lawyer. i think when you have a lawyer also getting a lawyer, you have problems. >> i've never heard of a lawyer getting a lawyer. >> i have. one of the problems is, someone comes to me and says, mark, will you do my antitrust case? i'm not doing your antitrust case. go to someone else and say i want you to take on a high-profile case. a state case. i can't tell you the number of inquiries i get on a daily or monthly basis to take cases out of case. if it's a federal case, i'll do it because generally you have the federal rules of procedure. when you are talking about going in, stepping in the middle of a investigation you know little about, don't know the intimate

culture in los angeles, don't know the players at all, you don't know lapd which is saying something, and then you offer up your guy for 3 1/2 hours, i feel for this lawyer in texas. i mean, he probably took that -- lapd told him, look, you're not a target, this guy's not a target. we just want to talk to him. it's just an investigation. you know, as i tell my clients, when you talk to the -- when the cops lie to you, the supreme court says that's okay. you lie to the cops, that's a separate offense. that's a criminal offense. >> look, before we jump the gun of these other discussions, part of the analysis has got to be, look, diprivan found in the house. diprivan might have been give to michael jackson by some other doctor. was diprivan found in his system? diprivan is one of those drugs that comes out of your system very quickly. so unless the test was done almost immediately after michael jackson's demise, unless that happened very quickly, there may not even be any evidence diprivan was in --

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and to his lawyer. >> carlos, the autopsy report, we're still waiting for that. these reports are still premature, to say that we know what killed michael jackson. because we don't. >> right, you guys are all talking about when charges are going to be filed. i think the thing we have to look at first is the toxicology report and when it comes back. i mean, that's -- even though diprivan could be out of the system, that's going to offer up a much clearer analysis of what killed michael jackson. talking about a timeline, new reports, today, of course, the emts showed up and didn't know they were working on michael jackson. they thought they were working on sickly old man. it took them ten minutes to realize they were even working on michael jackson after they got there. then, of course, other reports today saying that dr. conrad murray did not at all -- reconfirming earlier reports, did not at all want to pronounce michael jackson at the house -- >> he wanted to make sure he was brought to the hospital. >> he wanted him at the hospital and kept performing cpr which the emts thought were strange. they said there were reports he

was in the way a lot of times as well. >> you can look at that and think, he didn't want to get hit with it but he wanted to revive this guy who he claimed had a slight pulse minutes before. >> i don't think for a second that's the most -- or damning necessarily. ted's point is correct and what he's going to argue, is, look, when you have emts come out, they are there to stabilize somebody long enough to get them to a doctor. if you have a doctor calling 911 to get somebody to take him to the doctor. the doctor's there. if the doctor knows what he's doing and he's charged with taking care of michael jackson, he should be there working on michael jackson, not calling the chef or anything else. >> robin, i spoke with one doctor who told me he's seen the second autopsy report. he said there are 19 doctors being investigated. 19. let's assume even half that many are being investigated. wouldn't this doctor say, wait a minute, i'm not alone here. i'm not the bad guy. i'm just the last guy. >> this is the tweedledee and tweedledum defense.

it's a lot easier to point both directions. i still think we need to go back and look at dr. conrad murray's behavior, as you bring up with the phone calls. i think there's a ton of consciousness of guilt evidence. the failure to call 911 right away. the fact dr. murray was nowhere to be found at the time the emt did finally arrive -- i'm sorry, actually transport him to the hospital. there are behaviors that make you want to question. when you have a clear ring leader, evidence toward one person, it's easy to start there and then start working down on everybody else. >> any idea when the burial will take place? >> no. the family has been very clear they're not going to tell anybody. they want this to be a private part of this whole equation. clearly there's probably some discussion and disagreements as to what to do. >> and they're still waiting for the brain tissue to come back? >> apparently. >> we have a lot more to come. we'll be back with a lot more on "larry king live."

welcome back to "larry king live." i'm jim moret from "inside edition" sitting in for larry tonight. there have been so many strange reports coming out of this story. none, perhaps, more unusual than conflicting reports about whether michael jackson died with or without his nose. this is what dr. arnold klein, jackson's doctor, said to larry king. >> he came to me because basically i was sort of rebuilding his face because he had severe acne scarring. he had scarring from having a lot of cosmetic surgery. my expertise, like with every one of my patients, my patients are my treasures. i was rebuilding his face so he looked much more normal. in contrary to what people said, he could not take off his nose. his nose was attached.

it looked too small. i just was trying to get him ready to do the concert. because the way he looked in his face, he wanted to be absolutely as perfect as he could be. >> one person on our panel has actually represented michael jackson, mark geragos. mark, i talked to one of jackson's -- no, no, no, no, i talked to one of jackson's doctors. this is ridiculous. what i'm going to ask you is, why do people care about this? >> because, have you seen some of the internet stuff on this case so far? i mean, this is just the craziest thing i've ever seen. >> there are so many important issues. >> well, because it's really almost gotten to the point of absurdity in this. this show, for instance, has been doing -- we speculate every night for the last almost month. at a certain point because there's such of a -- kind of a news blackout, anything starts to get speculated on. >> you agree, robin, though, today's development is significant? >> yes, i would agree.

i mean, at least from the point -- from the drug point of view. i don't think the nose point of view is probably the most significant report. >> trent, debbie rowe was seen at dr. arne klein's office earlier today. we don't know the nature of her visit, whether she was actually seeing dr. klein. you represent debbie rowe. she's seeking custody, perhaps, of two of the three children? wouldn't you tell her to stay out of the limelight? >> i don't know it's a fact that she goes to her former employer's visit office to visit is going to put her in the limelight. i don't know if this woman can walk out of her house without having a throng of media following her. i don't fault her for that. i fault her for making the rash statements and comments she's made to the media when she's been angry and she's upset. these aren't the kind of things you want -- if you want your client to appear to be normal, rational, stable, in a position to care for these young children. i don't fault her for that but do fault her for some of the

outbursts that have come and been directed toward the media. >> in debbie rowe's defense, i don't know her, however i do know the paparazzi. she was being stalked, for want of a better term. you don't know what it's like to be in a paparazzi crush until you're in one. it's dangerous at times. you know? i agree with these guys. when you're basically -- when your character is on trial in the public eye as to whether or not you deserve prince, michael and paris jackson, you know, and when the only other video we see that week of paris on stage saying how much she misses her daddy and falling into janet jackson's arms, you have to be cognizant of the fact that people are going to put you under the microscope and if you physically threaten one of the paparazzi -- >> i have been in countless of these paparazzi scrums. i tell you, it takes the patience of joeb to not respond when you get some 14 karat jerkoff sitting in there screening at you something like

they were at debbie rowe. how much to sell your kids? how much are you going to sell them for this time? hey you fat little b -- that's what they do. they purposefully try to revoke you. it takes all the patience -- >> here's somebody who -- >> she was going out to get something to eat. she shouldn't be a prisoner in her own home. >> what are you supposed to do when you have people taking you apart? demonizing you? she has very good counsel. eric is an excellent lawyer. i'm sure he has counseled her. frankly, i think for anybody to condemn her for her outburst, i think that's only unreasonable. whatever you want to say about her, having to put up with the paparazzi scrum on a constant basis is enough to drive anybody over the top. >> ted, the custody hearing is set for next monday. her attorney saying anything whatsoever? >> no, but not publicly, but statements today from katherine jackson's attorney indicate saying they are moving ahead and it looks like this is going to be resolved outside of the courtroom. debbie rowe has never said publicly -- we don't know that

she's looking for custody of these children by any stretch of the imagination. i think what she is doing is trying to ensure certain things happen for these kids. that's what they're working on. >> let's listen to katherine jackson's attorney today on the "today" show. >> we do believe we're close to reaching an agreement and the swirling speculation is just swirling speculation. >> is it a financial agreement? >> the agreement is a custody agreement. whatever the agreement will be will not be based on money. that was not the -- >> will it involve money? >> the agreement about custody is not a money issue. >> we'll get reaction to that and talk more about the custody issue right after this. keeps m. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long. and it's not a steroid. announceit keeps my airways. to help me breathe better all day long.

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let's go to trent copeland. trent, we just heard from katherine jackson's attorney saying they're trying to work something out outside of the courtroom. that's what the judge asked for. that's really in the best interest of the kids, isn't it? >> i think it is in the best interest. look, i know this lawyer. he's an outstanding lawyer and i think that he will probably try to put together some kind of agreement with both sides, where they can feel like they've gotten something. i think debbie rowe from her perspective may not be looking for custody necessarily but may be looking for some kind of custodial right. she may be looking so she can have the opportunity to see these kids from time to time. i take him at his word when he says this won't be based on money. >> mark geragos, you've been defending debbie rowe tonight and rightfully so. her lawyer has said she doesn't want money. she doesn't want money. it's really been cast unfairly toward her, don't you think? >> i mean, there's been for years people who have vilified

her without knowing any of the facts. i don't even know the ins and the outs. i never represented him on custody. i did represent him in what was a, yet, another of the unfounded things against him, the child protective services investigation. that was completely unfounded. those kids were immensely, at least the older two i saw interact with him, were immensely tied to him, in love with him. he took great care of them. the kids belong with katherine, and as i said before, if grace is in the picture, that gives me more confidence. that's where they belong. >> we're going to take phone calls now. right now, houston, texas. you're on the air. >> caller: hi, thank you. >> sure. >> caller: does anyone know what clothes michael jackson might have been wearing when the paramedics arrived at his home to take care of him? because that would be a telltale sign that he may not have even left the bed in the morning and could have been earlier that he was having trouble. >> we haven't had enough speculation. mark geragos is almost laughing.

caller, that's actually a legitimate question. i don't know if anyone knows the answers. ted, you were at the hospital. >> we don't know what he was wearing by any stretch. one thing we do know, according to murray, through his lawyer, jackson was in his bed, in his bedroom and murray went to check on him. so one could -- he was either taking a nap or hadn't woken up yet for the day. >> robin sax, when mark talks about the crazy insanity surrounding -- investigators are looking into whether employees at the l.a. county coroner's office illegally leaked information about the death certificate, about jackson's investigation, personal files. how serious should people take this? >> i think whenever someone leaks information that comes from -- that's privileged, private information from within an investigation, it always jeopardizes the integrity of a potential case. the future of the case and it is thing that definitely needs to be looked at thoroughly, if, in fact, that happened. >> we're popular with houston.

>> it's a crime. it's a government-code section. whether it's a cop who does it or somebody in the coroner's office or anybody else, you know, i wish they would -- what they need to do is prosecute one or two of these and it would stop happening. as long as there's outlets willing to write a check for $62,000 and $500 for this, that or the other thing, it's going to happen. >> another call for houston. caller, you're on the air. >> caller: hi, i have a twofold question. first, what is the difference between second-degree manslaughter -- i'm sorry, involuntary manslaughter and second-degree murder. and if dr. murray is found guilty, what are the consequences for both? >> the second-degree murder is what's called an implied malice murder which means you don't -- you didn't necessarily intend it, you did something so recklessly that it caused the death. the main difference between that and the manslaughter is the penalty. the penalty for manslaughter is two, three or four years in state prison. the penalty for a second-degree implied malice murder is 15 to to life.

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welcome back. i'm jim moret from "inside edition" filling in for larry king. tomorrow night larry has an exclusive interview with colin powell. you'll want to stay tuned for that. joining us now, cherilyn lee, michael jackson's nutritionist. she's a registered nurse and family nurse practitioner. dr. drew pinsky, host of vh 1 "celebrity rehab" and author of "the mirror effect: celebrity narcissism seducing america." he sat in this chair friday night. did a great job. howard samuels. executive director of the wonderland center. recovering cocaine and heroin addict with 24 years of sobriety. he's also a licensed therapist with a doctorate in clinical psychology. thanks all of you for joining us. cherilyn, first to you. i remember early on seeing you do an interview with anderson cooper early in this investigation. you made a bombshell statement that four days before michael jackson died he called you and

was desperate for diprivan. i remember watching that and thinking, she sounds crazy. yet, within 24 hours not only did the entire investigation turn around but you're in many ways the unsung hero in this investigation because you dir t directed a focus on a drug that would probably be overlooked. how did this come to happen? how did you come to treat michael jackson? >> i started with him in late january actually working with the children. i had a call. one call, he said his children had a little cold. he wanted something nutritionally for the cold. so i went in and did a complete assessment of the children. and when i finished, michael asked me, well, what else do you do? i said, well, what's going on with you? he said, i'm a little tired. i'm getting ready for a concert and would like to pick up my energy. i said, well, let's do lab work. i did a full routine lab panel. and nutritional testing. >> was he healthy? >> he was very healthy. >> there was nothing -- when you say him, this was january. >> this is the first of february

now. >> there was nothing looking at him that would make you think this guy is in trouble? >> no, no organ troubles whatsoever. >> really? >> none. >> dr. drew -- >> that doesn't surprise me. >> that doesn't surprise you? >> no, not at all. if i had seen howard samuels at age 20, i wouldn't have been able to tell what was going on. it's very difficult to detect those kinds of things. particularly people using pharmaceutical -- they're safe. they don't have endo organ issues with them. >> michael jackson specifically asked for a drug by name. >> he asked cherilyn about that too. which is extraordinary. she must have been shocked to hear the name of the drug. 4. >> you didn't know what it was? >> i didn't know what it was. i called a very dear friend of mine based in los angeles, who's a friend. he happens to be a physician. this was a sunday. i called him, since i knew he was working that day. i said, look, what is this? he explained to me what it was. i said, my goodness. he didn't know where i was. he didn't know i was with mr. jackson. >> given that reaction, what do

you think an about the report that dr. murray may have, in fact, been one to give this to him? >> well, you know, if i say anything, it will be kind of speculating because i don't know if he did. >> what would you think about a doctor who gave this medication out of a hospital setting? >> what i said earlier, don't do it because it's very unsafe and no one would do that and should not do that for money. >> the descriptions of what was michael going through at the time when he was demanding these medications. in my world, my patients complain of that all the time, exactly what she described. drug withdrawal. diprivan would have taken that away in an instance. >> howard, imagine you're a doctor and your patient comes to you and says, i want diprivan, i need diprivan. give it to me. we're hearing, today, that may have, in fact, happened just that way. >> that's the real tragedy here. cherilyn, i have to applaud you for saying no. for taking a stand with somebody and if the other doctors in this man's life, michael jackson, had done that, he might be alive today. >> great point. >> that, to me, is the issue, is

that these doctors are seduced by the rich and famous. okay? by the prestige of it, by the money of it. i've worked with clients that pay doctors $50,000 a month. >> on retainer? >> on retainer. they'll show up at the house at 3:00 in the morning. what is sad here and what we have to do is we have to educate america. there is a crisis going on here. not only with prescription drugs, which we get at wonderland all the time -- abuse and addiction from doctors. you see the same thing, drew. is that it's the same as getting heroin on the street. there is no difference, and if we don't start educating the families to be able to intervene and to get in there when they see the signs and do everything they can to save their loved one's life, that, to me, is what we have to try to do with it. >> we have to take a quick break. michael jackson's controversial song about drugs is very shocking and you will hear it in 60 seconds.

we're going to hear michael jackson's song in a moment. cherilyn, you were served with a subpoena. by the county coroner. i want to make it fully clear. you are cooperating. you're not a person of interest. you were subpoenaed because you can't simply hand over medical records, is that correct? >> exactly. i was subpoenaed by e-mail. yes. >> what records was the coroner interested in? >> i would like to say, too, i was not only subpoenaed by e-mail, i was asked that i could also fax over the record. >> did you ask the coroner to come over in person? >> yeah. >> you're not allowed to. >> i have a copy of the subpoena stating, here's the phone number, just fax them over. i said, you know, i called back and said i really don't want to fax over the record. i prefer to hand-give them to you. they're very in-depth and i don't want to tax them. this female i spoke to said, i can pick them up from you. i said, i can bring them to you.

she said, no, i'll pick them up from you. another gentleman showed up. >> what kind of records were they looking for? >> they wanted a hard copy about what i had already said about the diprivan. >> drew, we were talking during the break, if cherilyn had not come forward, you do an autopsy, you're not going to look for diprivan. >> that's not in the routine toxicology exam. that's for sure. it's very rapid acting. i wonder how they're going to screen for it such as it is with them looking for it. >> howard, when you hear a doctor being linked to this substance you can't get outside of a hospital setting -- you've got a lot of experience. you know -- you talk about doctors being on retainer. have you ever heard of anything to this level? >> absolutely not. i mean, it just goes to show the access that michael jackson had, okay? to be able to so seduce a doctor, to be able to get this drug that isn't even on the streets, nor in my own experience in treating thousands of addicts do people come into

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let's check in with anderson cooper and see what's coming up on "ac 360." anderson? at the top of the hour, more on the breaking news regarding michael jackson. we're following it as well. we're looking at dr. conrad murray's medical history and how he came into michael jackson's orbit. we're looking at the timeline of events surrounding jackson's death. we know when the 911 call came. why were people making some suspicious moves three hours before that 911 call? randi kaye is looking into that for us. also tonight, the dispatch calls that led police to dr. henry lewis gates' house.

speculation about what was and what wasn't said in the calls. was race mentioned, for instance? can you hear the exchange between gates and crowley? we have the tapes. you can hear for yourself. all that plus sarah palin's good-bye to alaska governorship. understatements say she did not go quietly. what she said and what's next for her. it's a busy night. starts in 12 minutes, jim. >> a lot coming up on "ac 360" at the top of the hour. cherilyn lee, as michael jackson's nutritionist, when he comes to you and says i need diprivan, you actually showed him the medical -- it shows you the addiction -- it explains -- >> it's like the bible of medicine. desk reference. >> and you show him the listings for this drug and said this is what it can do? >> yes, i actually left his house, drove back to my office and came back to the book because i said he's not getting it from me. >> you were stunned when you saw him? >> i was definitely stunned. that's why i went to -- >> what was his reaction? >> his reaction was you don't understand. i'm going to be monitored so i

will be safe. i see what the book is saying but i'll be monitored. you know, someone monitoring me and i'll be safe. >> drew, i hear from cherilyn something that's frightening. it's a patient saying, you know what, i'm okay because a doctor will be there. >> well, not okay, but when a patient asks for medication by name, dose and route of administration, there is a problem. it's not the first time. think about it, jim. if i went to you and said, i'll give you this medicine. you'll be cardiac monitored throughout the night -- i'll have none of that, please. it's happened before. whatever medicine, it's an adulteration of the physician/patient relationship. >> howard, if you are hooked or believe you are hooked on something, you look past that. >> as a recovering addict, i mean, i manipulated doctors. i manipulated everyone to get the drug that i wanted. that's common. >> i asked one doctor, was michael jackson doctor shopping and this doctor said, no, doctors were shopping him. >> wow. >> you know what, i believe

that. because i believe that happens with many, many celebrities in this town. >> it doesn't surprise you? >> absolutely not. >> do you think things will change, drew? >> i've noticed some of my patients receiving medications like those mentioned in this program. they have migrated. a sign in los angeles. the doctors are pulling back but they found elsewhere to go. >> what possible reasons would a doctor have if dr. murray used dipriv diprivan? what could he say to the authority? >> as a justification? >> yes. >> the only thing i could imagine him saying. i don't think it's a justification, but this is a protocol established by somebody else. the fact is, insomnia, there's not a medical textbook on earth that will put diprivan on protocol. to say it's outside common practice would be an understatement. so i'm sure there are other people involved in making the rejs.

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welcome back. i'm jim moret from "inside edition" sitting in for larry king. we're joined by wendy murphy, attorney for lucille wailen, the woman whose 911 call led to the arrest of harvard professor henry lewis gates. well-known as a victim's right advocate. cambridge price released the july 16th 911 call about a

possible break-in at the home of professor gates. listen. >> i don't know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key. i did notice they kind of used their shoulder to try to barge in and they got in. i don't know if they had a key or not. i couldn't see from my angle. when i looked a little closely, that's what i saw -- >> a black man or hispanic? are they still in the house? >> they're still in the house, i believe. >> white, black or hispanic? >> there were two larger men, one looked kind of misphispanic i'm not sure. the other one entered and i didn't see what he looked like at all. this older woman was worried, thinking someone cease breaki i in someone's house. she interrupted me otherwise i wouldn't have noticed it at all. i was calling because she was a concerned neighbor i guess. >> okay. are you standing outside? >> i'm standing outside -- >> police are on the way.

meet them when they get there. what's your name in. >> yeah, my name is -- >> they're on their way. >> okay. i guess i'll wait. thanks. >> wendy murphy, the first thing that jumps out, why does lucille wailen who placed this 911 call need an attorney right now? >> she doesn't need an attorney actually, jim. she called me because she wanted to know if she had any rights. people were calling her racist. one columnist said she should wear the igd nims you badge ofs kkk. she was feeling threatened. people were saying we know where you live. she felt afraid, but she also said isn't this libel? is this slander? maybe i should call a lawyer. she really didn't need a lawyer, per se. she wanted to know her rights. >> was she afraid for her safety? is she afraid right now? >> she was. she was. i think she's not afraid tonight. let me tell you, if anything, i think she feels proud for herself. now that we've heard the tape i think we should all feel proud

of her. she was exemplary. the way she responded, how she was restrained. you know, you couldn't ask for a more clear-headed 911 caller. she even said at one point, i don't know if they live there. they've got suitcases. boy, she was excellent if you ask me. so i think she's not afraid, tonight. she's rather proud of herself as well she should be. >> she didn't even know if the person had a key. she said she couldn't even tell. she was very levelheaded, very calm. she couldn't see both people. this is a key point. nowhere in this call does your client mention race until she's pressed by the dispatcher. even then she's not clear about both of the individuals. >> that's right. we issued that statement yesterday, jim, and thankfully the tape was released and confirmed everything we said. she never, ever said i see two black men. she never used the word black at all. she never even mentioned race

until asked by 911 operator, are they white, black or hispanic? then she said, well, i think one is hispanic. i didn't even see the other one. what's important here is she's been vilified, characterized as the racist spark that ignited the fire of hatred and so forth. nothing could be further from the truth. if you compare her behavior to sergeant crowley's and professor gates', i think she wins the prize for the most levelheaded of all. yet, she was really the silent victim behind the scenes, the one people who said, oh, she's the problem. had they been white she never would have called 911. now we know that is absolutely not true. i'm so glad for her that the truth is finally out. >> how did lucille happen to be there? >> she works not too far, about 100 yards from where professor gates lives. she's worked there for 15 years. she's not a resident, not a neighbor. >> she didn't recognize the professor? >> well, she didn't even see

him. remember, she described the other man and his back was to her. no, she doesn't know him -- i mean, she knows him perhaps the way you do as a famous person but didn't know he lived there. >> cambridge police released tapes of the police radio transmissions relating to the law enforcement responses to this case. let's listen briefly to that. >> can we have the caller come to the front door? >> at her house. she doesn't live there. she's a witness in this. >> gentleman said he resides here. keep the cars coming. >> so, wendy, your client makes the 91 call. set the record straight. the sergeant, sergeant james crowley said he spoke to ms. wailen on the scene. does she dispute that? >> she does, sort of. let me correct the record. i'll even explain to you what

the police response has been. when sergeant crowley arrived, my client was there and lifted her finger and indicated, i'm the one who called 911. sergeant crowley said, okay, stay right there and he went into the house. that was the full extent of their conversation. she never spoke to him in terms of describing anybody or talking about backpacks. all she said was, okay, i'll wait right here. that was it. so let me be very clear. she never, ever said she saw two black men or any black man and never said she saw backpacks. >> wendy murphy -- >> the cambridge police to have an explanation, jim -- >> we're out of time. i really appreciate you coming on. wendy murphy. larry is back tomorrow with colin powell as his exclusive guest. time now for anderson cooper and "ac 360." tonight a dramatic turn of the investigation of michael jackson's death. at the center