>> larry: the tonight the arrest seen around the world the professor and police, is the controversy uniting or dividing americans. the witness whose 911 call started it all. breaks her silence. >> i would hope that people would learn not to judge others. and to really base it on fact. >> larry: plus michael jackson and the valley of death. the man he asked about going there is here. deepak chopra reveals a haunting conversation with the king of pop and then michael's personal physician dr. conrad murray had huge debts. did he do anything jackson wanted to return for a big monthly paycheck? all next on "larry king live." good evening, we have an outstanding xanl with us to

discuss the occurrences at harvard. here in los angeles, the famed media commentator larry elder. in chicago, michael eric dyson, university professor of sociology at georgetown. new york times best selling author, books include "april 4th, 1968." here in l.a. ben stein, economist, former presidential speech writer and new york times best selling author as well. and judge joe brown provides over the tv court reality show that bears his name. served as a judge in shelby county criminal court in memphis, tennessee as well as a reserved police officer in memphis. let's start with the panel. general colin powell made his first public comes on this show. take a look. >> are you saying gates was wrong? >> i'm saying skip in this instance might have waited a while. come outside, talked to the

officer and that might have been the end of it. i think he should have reflected whether that was the time to make the big deal. he home from china. home from new york. he wanted to get to bed. his door was jammed. >> those that said he brings the history of the body into a black movement? >> that may have been the case. i think it might have been resolved in a different manner if we didn't have a verbal alteration between the two of them. my first teaching point for young people especially, not dr. gates. when the police are looking into something, if you're involved in it, cooperate, don't make the situation more difficult. i think in this case the situation was made more difficult on the part of the cambridge police department. once they thought to bring him out of the house. i would have thought at that point the adult super vision

stepped in and said it is his house. come on. let's not take any further, take the handcuffs off. good night dr. gates. >> larry: okay. larry alder is that a sound way to look at it. professor got angry. should have gotten -- verbally got outside and police shouldn't have arrested him. >> it's a diplomatic way of looking at it. one might expect from a diplomat mat. i agree gates should not have been arrested. the officers i plained you're trained to take this abuse in the economy, we should walk away. i disagree the pass he gave on gates. by gates' own admission he couldn't get in the job because he was target of a break-in. the officer didn't know if he was the owner of the house. gates plays the race card, saying you're doing this because i'm a black man in america. you don't know who i am.

>> larry: have you ever been racially profiled? >> define racially profiled? >> larry: were you singled out because you are black. >> solely because you're black. >> larry: have you ever had it happened to you? >> i've been stopped before. >> larry: you're unusual then. >> wait a minute. larry. i've been stopped. officers have given me a rein why i've been stopped. do i think i'm unfairly stopped before, perhaps one doesn't know. >> larry: you're taking it out of context. he did say that you should calm it down and never argue with a cop. >> he said perhaps gates overreacted or something to that effect. there's no perhaps about it. he went off on this officer unfairly. >> larry: you weren't there and i wasn't there. >> i agree with the general, i heard him last night. if you want to avoid undue drama, yes, there's something else here, the general was sworn

to and did a great job of upholding the constitution. let's apply that. first off when the officer showed up, knocked on the door, police come out, no? what's he going to do? constitution doesn't give him any authority to do a thing, because no officer witnessed the event. he doesn't have reasonable suspicion that there was a felony convicted. if he had gotten in there, let me see your i.d. fifth amendment says you have an absolute right to remain silent. you have no obligation and cannot be compelled to offer evidence against yourself. let me see your i.d. no? at that point, they are trespassing in the man's house, unless they can show cause. >> larry: do you think he was completely correct, gates? >> i would say that it was something that was going to cause him undue drama. but i think as a citizen of a free democratic society, sometimes we have to do things the hard way and keep the law

enforcement, the government, and everybody, acting appropriately. >> larry: ben. >> first of all, it's a story about jet lag as the general said. jet lag is a nasty, horrible thing. you're in a bad mood. judgment is thrown off. probably not a time to make wild decisions, bad decisions, probably a time to take baby steps and not start screaming at the police. but black people are tired of being pushed around and pushed around in this country for a very long time. police are tired of being pushed around too. a policeman goes out every day, he's taking his life in his hans. >> larry: the general is right? >> i think the general is completely right. both of them should have been more sensitive to the other. absolutely. >> larry: what's your read, michael dyson? >> i think, look, the police are tired of being bushed around. it's amazing to me. look at his there between interactions between african-american people and police departments of this land much there's a disproportion of

concentration of power on the police. they have the gun, the badge, the ability to intimidate. they make up story, they generate narrative, throw down guns. that's the history. not most of them but enough to make the life of average american person stopped by miserable. unlike larry elder, i have several instances i feel i've been profiled. singled out and mistreated. once i was stopped with my brother claiming that we stole the very car that my father owned. when i reached for my wallet to prove i had registration, the cop pulled out a gun and said "n," the "n" word. i'll shoot you right here. there's history of unequality there. first of all, we don't know what he said. he has a right to say it. he's in his own home and i think he's absolutely right. >> larry: colin powell saying we under the history, understand

the anger. completely okay to be angry. this is a cop who teaches racial profiling and how to deal with it. police put it down a little. don't you feel at all, larry, as a black man, any sympathy for professor gates? >> i feel a great deal of sympathy for a police officer who, as ben stein just now said. goes out every day and willing to take a bullet, from somebody you don't even know. gates ought to be sympathetic to the fact to call somebody she thought somebody was breaking into his house and empathy enough to know that officer was trying to find out if he was the owner of the home. >> larry: do you think it was racially motivated? and hear from the woman who made the 911 call. that's ahead.

>> larry: we're back with the panel, the woman that made the 911 call that led to professor gates' arrest spoke out publicly for the first time today. here's somewhat she said. >> i hope now that the truth of the tape will help heal the cambridge community. >> i saw from a distance, this older woman was worried thinking someone's breaking into someone's house. they've been barging in, they kind of used their shoulders to try to barge in and they got in. i don't know if they had to or

not. i couldn't see from my angle. >> i was called racist and i was a target, of scorn and ridicule because of the things i never sa said. >> okay. i guess i'll wait. >> the criticism hurt me as a person, but it also hurt the community of cambridge. >> judge brown, no one can blame -- >> she did the right thing. >> she did the right thing. no problem. but did you see? i don't know if she had a key or not. at what point do you say there's a burglary in process. at what point do you approach the citizen at home the bill of rights guarantees you security in the house. >> reporter: you said the cop was wrong? >> dead wrong. he wouldn't have approved it if gates had shut up and arrested

him. i almost had a case like that, almost identical circumstances. everybody going through the stuff. went up to the court of appeals. i said this is ridiculous. this man had a right as a citizen. >> larry: he had the right. ben, why didn't he just say it's my house? >> he should have said this is my house. here's my i.d., we're done. kindly leave. i started cursing at the guy. the police have a sort of unwritten rule. if the guy cursed him inside his own house. we let him get away with it. if he's foolish to curse him outside. but in both cases it's fatigue, overwork, lack of respect. people have to respect each other more. there's got to be more respect. >> here's my problem with it. when obama had the press conference. he admitted he didn't have all of the facts, was a friend of skip gates, therefore he was bias. then proceeded to suggest that gates was right. gates was a victim of racial

profiling. this is a met for -- he did dial it back. but a disproportionate amount of crime is committed in the black community and victims are usually black people. there's a great deal of hostility between cops and citizens and neither should stereotype the other. that's what obama should have said. i think a lot of people, larry -- >> larry: you're knocking obama? >> i am. >> larry: where did that come from? apologize, you're both going to see him tomorrow. >> if i were crowley, i bo say mr. president, thank you for the invitation, but take your beer and shove it. you need to apologize to me for suggesting that i engaged in racial profiling. >> larry: michael, go ahead. go ahead, michael. >> here's the thing. obama is a gentleman, he wants to reconcile. said i ratcheted the conversation up. he didn't apologize, because he

felt the police certainly shouldn't have arrested skip gates. a guy 5'7" with a cane is no visible threat. i agree with judge brown. the moment you get in the man's house he's telling you i live here. ben stein said he's cursing him out. all i'm saying skip gates said this is my house. according to both of them. then the police are overreacting and abusing their power. what happened to the notion the police -- we love them for what they do. they are an extension of our citizen rights. they are to protect and serve. why do we have to walk around being intimidated by public servants. this is disproportion of power. i am sure many whites feel the same way. certainly the relationship between police and american citizens has to be relieved. >> concentration of power in their hans? i have no idea what that means -- >> let me tell you what it means. it means historically, black people have died

disproportionately at the hands of police people. i'm saying to you, might have been -- >> after grant who was on the ground -- >> larry: one at a time. >> that's an example. oscar grant in oakland, california was on the ground begging the police not to hurt or harm him, and without provocation. he was shot. think about brother shawn in new york. >> larry: you made the point. you will admit in the history of the united states, there's been a lot of problems. >> we know about the history. >> larry: you don't dismiss that, do you? what else do you have? >> this is 2009 and professor gates -- got a black mayor, a governor that's got a black governor. a state that's got a black governor and lives in a country that has a black president. this is not your grandfather's police department. >> larry: in a 60 seconds. rtant. new centrum silver ultra men's. a complete multivitamin for men over 50. it has antiodants and vitamin d...

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>> i don't know not having been there, what race played in it. >> that's a complicated issue. because i wasn't there and i doesn't know all of the facts. >> the cambridge police acted stupidl stupidly. >> i couldn't save him. i couldn't save him. >> larry: there are late night comedians having fun. it remains a serious discussion, professor gates and sergeant crowley offering their version of what happened last week. each defended what he said and did hear of some of their comments. >> we got to the house in harvard square and tdoor was jammed. i asked driver to push the door through. the cabridge policeman showed up. i said this is my house, you i'm

a harvard professor, i live here, he said can you prove it? >> i didn't want this either. i was confused. >> why are you not responding? because you're a white police officer and i'm a plaque man? >> i didn't want to take drastic action. i knew it was going to bring a certainment aof attention. but mr. gates pushed it and provoked and wouldn't stop. >> this officer said thank you for accommodating my earlier request. you are under arrest. >> it took me to the cambridge police station, booked me, fingerprints, mug shots. >> i know what i did was right. i have nothing to apologize for. >> >> larry: ifth is a teachable moment as president obama suggests, what are we supposed to learn from it? that's next. - others buy the car of their dreams. - ( beeps ) during the lexus golden opportunity sales event, you can do both. it's an opportunity today. it's a lexus forever.

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>> larry: ben, what do we learn interest in? >> we think we learn policeman are tired on being picked on by intellectuals. black people are tired of being pushed around by policeman. they have dangerous lives. harvard professor did not leave his home thinking he got a good chance of being killed. the policeman does, let's cut him some slack. >> larry: what have we learned, michael? >> i think look, the history of racial profiling is real. let's deal with that. cops have an extremely important and tough job. we have to be empa thinkic. we have to come together, black, white, latino and find a way policeman are an extension of right to survive not intimidate us. it took the pedigree of harvard professor and president to come up against a police department. let's find a way to make them friendly presences and not

intimidating ones. >> larry: larry what have we learned? >> we learned barack obama during the press conference sided with gates when gates decided there was racial motivation. many people, i believe voted for barack obama in part because they thought he would bring the races together. and he would make a statement about how far we've come. what are you doing tomorrow night is making a moral ekwiv lency between what gates did and what crowley did. crowley was doing his job, and gates just went off on him. talked about his mama. all that stuff. >> larry: tell me what people said crowley should not have arrested him. once he knew -- >> i said that when they first started. they're trained -- but it's still within his own discretion. most cops i talked to said they would have walked away. is it unlawful to have to have arrested this guy? probably so. but i would have walked away. but they're not moral

equivalent. >> there's one thing you're getting away from. had gates been another type of individual, he would have had a right to have resisted this unlawful intrusion. >> larry: you said that. >> that would have been very interesting, had he chosen to do it. now, discretion, politeness. diplomacy have their ways. i don't think this is so much a racial issue as it is reflective of something, law enforcement, the world at large to do thins the easy way and cut corners. what i'm offended with is this whole process being a learning experience, being engendered by our inquiring mines, can't wait to find out. >> larry: he says suck it up. >> it's a class issue too. i don't think the cambridge police like the fancy pants harvard professors. black, white, green or yellow. police don't like harvard professors. when he said i'm a harvard professor, didn't make him like

him at all. >> had he been henry kissinger and president been george bush and a black cop arrested henry kissinger, that black cop may have been doing traffic duty. it would have been a much different kind of response. >> michael doesn't know that. it's a statement that you're projecting and you don't really know. i live in l.a. we have back-to-back black police officers, 50% of street cops are female or minority. but you, michael eric dyson act as if nothing changed. >> that's not what i said. >> if i don't show 100% empathy, i never experienced a bad experience. >> that's not what i said. that's for argument. you said barack obama is a black man. because the governor of the state is black, the mayor is black. that's significant change. that doesn't change the on the treat level where interacts between mike and white people are most lethal. that's where we have to

concentrate -- >> nothing changed. >> that's your argument. >> i'm telling you significant lefts, significant changes have changed but things remained the same enough for us to go this there and try to fix them. that's what i'm suggesting. >> larry: okay. we should do a lot more on this, because it ain't going away. the two parties meet tomorrow. we thank ben stein. larry elder. ben stein. judge joe brown. katherine jackson's attorney made a move that could affect the handling of her son's estate. find out what she wants next.  (announcer) you can make a bigger difference in the world.

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and ted rollins, cnn correspondent, we understand jackson senior had a statement today? >> yes, he basically talked about the young man that people speculated that could be michael jackson's son. the interviewer asked joe jackson about it. >> larry: let's watch what he said. >> so many things, but the other day, michael may have had another child. omar is his name? everyone was sitting there. everyone tried to connect dots. do you know him as michael's other son? >> yes. yes, i did. >> he looks like a jackson? >> oh, yes. he looks like a jackson, acts like a jackson, can dance like a jackson. this boy is fantastic.

yes. >> thought maybe he's the future of the family. >> i don't know. i can't say it yet, until i see it happen. >> larry: okay. stranger and stranger. jim, what do you make of this? >> he didn't really say omar is his son. but he said -- >> he said looks like a duck, acts like a duck. >> based what joe jackson is saying lately, this is kind of in character. >> what does it mean for the story? >> nothing to michael jackson's death. but definitely fuels the fire on the whole speculation of mikal's life. that, of course is a huge part of the story. >> absolutely. >> larry: what's the latest on the investigation. >> search warpts yesterday in las vegas. one at dr. conrad's home, the other at the clinic. they're looking at what they found which is basically computer files, took out hard drives, took his cell phones,

looking at all of that. keep in mind this works to his advantage. they're looking for evidence. they don't care if he's innocent or guilty. what they find could help him or hurt him. >> what do we know now? what do we know? >> what do we really know? >> we know when the doctor called 911. we know he waited 20, 30 minutes. investigators want to know when did he find michael jackson in a state of cardiac arrest. why did he deliver diprivan. how long did he administer this? if the doctor liver r delivered diprivan to michael jackson he's got serious problems. you can't deliver it outside of a hospital setting we know that. you can't get it without a hospital prescription. we know that. >> larry: those are all ifs. >> because we don't have the cause of death. >> larry: right, we won't know

that until next week. >> we know that they're looking for evidence of a homicide. this doctor has serious problems. we know that. >> michael jackson may have had the diprivan. that's one thing they'll look at. >> larry: the fact he gave him diprivan is that a crime? >> technically it's not an illegal substance. was it gross negligence? probably. will charges be filed? >> absolutely. but he could have a good excuse if he's trained in it. if he used it a million times in his clinic. he can say i was well trained in it. given in it for x.y.z. reason. >> larry: only an these ole jifs can administer it. >> yes, you need to monitor oxygen level. if none of that was at his house. it's malpractice, could be

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>> larry: joining us york. deepak chopra. medical doctor. spiritual teacher. longtime friend of michael jackson. in atlanta, dr. sanjay gupta. cnn medical correspondent and practicing neurosurgeon. deepak, you had an eerie conversation with michael. in hindsight you believe he was talking about diprivan. what happened? >> very casually over the phone, he just dropped a line like deepak. have you heard of the thing that takes you immediately to the valley of death, and then brings you right back. i said i've never heard of such -- diagnose like that. but you know something that i don't know. because i was unfamiliar with this. and now, of course, in hindsight, i realize he might have been talking about diprivan which acts within 40 seconds of being administered intravenously. actually if you don't keep the patient on the drip, it also brings you back right away.

so sounds very much like -- >> i guess it is like a kind of death. you are not conscious of anything. >> yes, and according to some people. it also produces a sense of euphoria as it takes you into the state of deep hypnosis. the problem is, and you should ask sanjay this, even the toxicology report could be inconclusive, because the drug has such a short life. disappears from the blood, gets into the tissues in the brain and unless they took that, they were actually looking for that in the beginning. toxicology report may not help at all. >> i mentioned before, i had cataract surgery recently and i had diprivan, and i don't remember getting it and i just remember waking up and i thought they hadn't done it yet. they had done it already. i was gone and up. sanjay -- let sanjay respond. do you think it might not show up in a toxicology report?

>> dr. chopra is absolutely right. first of all it's not a routine toxicology test. i talked to a lot of people over the last several weeks regarding this issue. unless they knew to check for it. because it disappears so quickly you may not be able to test for it directly. what happens it does get stored in fat. you may look at fat and test for it. also people who chronically use it you can test the hair for it as well. finally sometimes it breaks down into various by-products and types you can test for those by-products not specific for diprivan. but may be a pretty good idea. >> larry: deepak, why would someone take it other than just to go to sleep. it's not long-acting. you'd wake up soon. >> it's never, ever been given to anyone to sleep. only time it's been abused, by the way, is by an anesthesiologist. i believe there are three or four reported deaths. they are all amongst medical people from the medical

profession who know how to administer it intravenously. and furthermore, you have to give it as a drip. if you give it as a bullet, you come back right away as you did in your surgery. it should never be given unless you have recourse to a respirator and can intubate a person. michael was rehearsing until midnight. whatever killed him he must have gotten that after midnight. until midnight he was up and about. >> larry: sanjay you took your viewers into the operating room to give a first-hand look at the proper administration of this drug. let's watch that. >> we're here with the chief of anesthesiology here. he uses this all of the time. is this it right over here? >> yes. >> looks -- milk of amnesia. >> take some good deep breaths.

>> we are just going to take a look at his eyes. >> deeper. doing great. you may feel a little burning, okay? >> deep breaths. >> nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. >> there's a reason for his heart rate increasing. see his eyes are closed. >> his eyes closed. >> he stopped breathing. watch, my wonderful anesthetist is going to help him breathe. >> take a look. this mask, without that medication, he wouldn't be able to breathe on his own without those things. >> larry: more with the doctors in 60 seconds.

>> larry: we're back with deepak

chopra and sanjay gupta. michael jackson wrote a song calling it "morphine" a little disturbing. listen. ♪ demerol ♪ demerol oh god he's taking in demerol ♪ ♪ >> larry: what do make of that deepak? >> michael was a tortured soul,

if you under the context of his life. you under why he could have been a tortured soul. he was a loving, compassionate human being but he also had a lot of self-clothing. a lot of shame, and also an obsession with self-mutilation, as evidenced by the surgery. >> larry: sanjay -- sanjay, what does demerol do? >> demerol is a narcotic. a pain medication. some people get high, a sense of euphoria. you can also develop a tolerance to it. i never heard that song before. larry, sounds like someone talking about addiction, talking about tolerance, talking about someone who wants to beat addiction. it's really, really wild to hear that. >> larry: sanjay, as a doctor, are we ever going to get the answer to this? >> i think when we hear the final result, we're going to hear something that says most likely cause of death was "x."

because most of the autopsy was done, toxicology was already performed. has to do with something with drug, a combination of drugs. going back to his point. dip p diprivan which had so much attention focused on it. because it's such a drug to be administered at home. may be hard to draw that exact cause and effect. >> larry: deback do you think we'll ever get all of the answers? >> i don't know. all i can say, he was so vital the night before. he wasn't expected to die. i tell you that. >> larry: i agree with that. that seems obvious. deback chopra, dr. sanjay gupta we'll be calling on you it appears p frequently. al sharpton and ann coulter go at it over the gates matter. is someone about to be charged in the jackson case?

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cooper. larry. >> larry: marcia clark contributed to the "dale beat" and legal correspondent tonight. trent copeland and jim moret. chief correspondent for the "inside edition" also an attorney. does it look to you like a duck, looks like a duck, acts like a duck, criminal charges coming? >> sounds like a duck is about to get arrested for second degree murder. interesting thing there's no in between. either involuntary manslaughter or second degree murder which is 15 to life. big, big long fall there but that's the way it looks. >> murder for what, trent, for doing what? >> i'm not ebb exactly sure. larry. we've had a feeding frenzy here for the last effort weeks associating with dr. conrad murray. he gives diprivan. this is a lethal cocktail something that will certainly

result in death. i'm not so sure that's a fair assessment of what the facts in the case were. most people have diprivan. if you've undergone a routine colonoscopy, you've had diprivan. there isn't always a battery of medical personnel. there may be a single doctor. may be an anesthesiologist. may sometimes be just the doctor. we talk about whether or not the cardiologist should have been with him monitoring his heart. respiration and breathing. reality dr. conrad murray was that cardiologist. he had oxygen tanks, other breathing 'rapparatus. we may not have seen the thing. >> larry: could he be a doctor doing doctor things? >> i'm sitting in the middle. you can't use diprivan in the house. i never heard of one doctor ever heard of it being used outside of a clinic or hospital. >> larry: is it a crime if you do? >> absolutely not. >> it may not be a crime.

>> larry: do you think criminal prosecution -- >> yes, i do. >> larry: you do? >> i absolutely do. based upon what we believe to >> larry: okay. >> i don't want to convict this guy before he's been charged. >> larry: what of the toxicology report, what if it doesn't show dipri van. >> >> then you're in a whole different world. if you have a cocktail of drugs, and they come from a variety of different doctors or even unknown doctors, pill bottles that don't have any labels on them, then you won't be able to charge anyone, because it's michael jackson taking a variety of things, good luck finding somebody to be culpable for that. >> larry: well, is the patient responsible? if he scores it from different doctors, if he's wily enough he's got friends doing it, what did the doctor do wrong? >> look, i'm certain the prosecutors will invariably say, look, the reality is a doctor, his principle is guided by the

principle of, first, do no wrong. the truth is the doctor has a fiduciary duty, a responsibility to that patient. but i think if i'm the defense lawyer and i'm representing michael jackson, the first thing i'm looking for are people who supplied michael jackson with this, the people who enabled michael jackson with this, i'm looking also for all the combinations of drug interactions and how those things may have worked or adversely so, with diprivan. his good name may be dragged into this as well, in terms of the response he had. >> larry: is all of this speculation going to affect the case, jim, if there is a case? >> yes and no. i think the fact is we will know what killed michael jackson when the report comes out. >> larry: we will? >> yes. and you may have a case similar to anna nicole smith. you didn't have murder charges, but you had conspiracy and drug charges, i've been told by one doctor there are 19 doctors

being investigated in some fashion or another, and 11 different aliases, at least. it is a crime to prescribe drugs under an alias, so those doctors, if they're involved, could face charges. >> marshia, are some autopsy reports inconclusive? >> they can. the coroner could say, look, i don't see a homicide, i see an inconclusive, i see cardiac arrest caused by a variety of causes. >> larry: trent, should all these doctors have lawyers ready? >> i think all of these are already lawyered up, larry, whether we know of it public or not, i think every possible outcome has been speculated by these lawyers, i think every one of these doctors who's provided some care or treatment to michael jackson, have all got lawyers. >> larry: back with more, marsha

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>> larry: jim, could a pharmacy be in trouble? >> that's a good question. i think a pharmacy is the ultimate gatekeeper. you have one pharmacy with $100,000 in outstanding bills, which they have admitted that too much medication was going to one person. it was under a number of different aliases. they didn't know that it was all going to michael jackson, so i think they have a defensible position. >> larry: what about involuntary manslaughter? >> that would be him committing a misdemeanor.

that's a two, three or four-year state prison, what we call misdemeanor manslaughter. it could happen if that is what they charge him with. if action for example, he had certainly measures that he could be taking to counteract the diprivan, he wasn't as willfully negligent, then involuntary manslaughter would be the way to go. >> larry: as a lawyer, if you were representing dr. murray, and you believed he had a good story, would you ask him to do media? >> no. >> larry: because? >> first of all, larry, he has in essence done some media. you can believe that those tli hours of taped interviews that he gave immediately following michael jackson's death will be released. we'll hear portions of that. we're also going to see the transcripts associated with that interview. it can't do anything other than hurt him. he will have made certain

admissions, certain statements that will almost always come back to bite him. so, no, i wouldn't advise him to do it. >> larry: is he already a villain? >> i think he's certainly being cast as a villain. we know his offices and house were searched, and the warrant said they're looking for evidence of homicide, of manslaught manslaughter. the word "manslaughter" and dr. murray have been tied together already what kind of doctor are we? >> from what we're hearing, not a very good one. >> larry: an internist? >> a cardiologist. he's been in trouble before. he's had an arrest before. this is not a doctor with a great history. the fact they're serving search warrants on their home indicates they're searches for all kinds of conduct. i thought he was suspended. >> i don't know the. >> larry: why would his personal doctor be a cardiologist, not an internist. if a cardiologist is your

personal doctor, you have a heart problem. >> in this case, this man was a friend first, then became his doctors. michael jackson specifically asked for this doctor. aeg didn't want this doctor, michael did. >> larry: what's the delay in the report? >> well, there's been speculation about one reason is it's done, ready to go, but the chief is not in town and it will not be released -- >> larry: does she release it? >> no, but they're sitting on it until he gets back in town. the other possibility and i would do this ifs a prosecutor, i would hold this report until i was ready to file charges or not file charges so it all comes out together and avoid the speculation if possible. >> larry: do you agree? >> i think she makes a good point. i would hold all the documents and make sure the coroner's office, sheriff, police, d.e.a., everyone involved in this investigation, all spoke with

one voice at one time. >> larry: when does this go away? >> there's too many questions to be answered. we have to know what the cause of death is, what other doctors were involved. this will last for a while. >> larry: why are we fascinated? >> how can we help it. king of pop. >> larry: can't bring him back. >> can't bring him back. i think there's a sociological issue. prescription drug abuse is the cocaine of this millennium. remember, cocaine was all of that in the '80s. now we have prescription drug abuse. every adult with health care coverage and can afford the insurance can get a prescription drug high if they want. it's an issue that's prevalent, so it's a big deal by itself. >> larry: pushed steroids off the front page. >> sure did. >> larry: athletes are thanking us. earlier we had a clip of joe jackson. cnn has beenen ubl to confirm the racks joe jackson made about omar and hi alleged link to michael jackson, and so we just wanted to go on the record