cnn has been unable to confirm the remarks joe jackson made about omar and his alleged links to michael jackson. and so we just wanted to go on the record to tell you that we didn't confirm what he said. although i would have thought you would assume that anyways. thanks, guys. i'm sure you'll be back. it's time for anderson cooper and "anderson cooper 360." thanks so much. breaking news in the michael jackson case, the first inside account of what happened in the jackson home when it became clear that something was terribly wrong. also tonight, a money battle in the making over the jackson estate. money trouble for dr. conray murray, revelations about his past, and more importantly new information about what could be his immediate legal future. at least one major arm of the feds tightening their focus. randi, what's the latest on a case that appears to be building against dr. murray?

>> reporter: there has been some movement here, anderson. first, right away, a federal law enforcement official is telling us, quote, that dr. murray is the only one they are looking at. once again, that's from a federal source, saying they're only looking at dr. conrad murray. it's important to point out that we know other doctors' records have been subpoenaed, but now with three warrants served on dr. murray, clearly he is the central focus. his lawyer said they were searching his property, looking for evidence of the offense of manslaughter. also, monday a source told cnn that murray gave jack jackson propofol, which authorities believe killed him within 24 believed was given to him within 24 hours of his death. dr. murray's lawyer's office said today they do not think an arrest is imminent, because they haven't seen a report or autopsy report. also that third meeting is yet to be scheduled. i'm told his lawyer is ready to talk, but anderson, nothing is on the books. >> so, randi, detectives searched his las vegas house yesterday.

today you learned he may lose that house to foreclosure. why? >> reporter: we have the documents, actually, as proof of this. murray's loan from the bank for his country club home in las vegas was $1.65 million. it turns out he failed to make his payment of just over $15,000 last january, and has been racking up debt ever since. i called his attorney about this to see what's up. a spokeswoman confirmed he is facing a threat of foreclosure and told me, quote, he was to be paid $150,000 a month by michael jackson. he was not paid by aeg, the tour promoter, or jackson for the two months he worked for them, so he is low on money, she said. meanwhile, if dr. murray fails to pay up by mid-august, he could lose his house. you may recall this is not the first time he's been in financial trouble. we reported last week he had more than $400,000 in judgments for debts against him. >> you also need to tell us about what happened the morning jackson died. >> reporter: this is our first inside look to what happened in the house that day. his chef, kai chafe, told cnn that dr. murray usually came down around 10:00 a.m. or so to get mr. jackson something to eat

or drink, but on june 25th, the day he died, the doctor did not come downstairs, according to the chef, until noon. the chef said that at that point dr. murray came running halfway down the stairs that led to the kitchen, screaming, these are the chef's words -- hurry, get prince, get security. she said the house became chaotic, security guards rushing around, housekeepers crying and that paris, michael jackson's daughter wez screaming, "daddy, daddy." the chef said everyone gathered in a circle and they all prayed. >> you also have new information about another run-in with the law dr. murray had. >> reporter: this was a case of domestic abuse, it happened in arizona back in 1994. deputies responded to a domestic abuse call. we have confirmed that dr. murray was arrested for domestic violence, disorderly conduct. we're told by tucson police and the county attorney there that his girlfriend accused him of having an affair and she threw something at him.

he allegedly pushed her down and he was acquitted five months later. >> we're just a couple days away from a significant hearing to determine who controls the estate. do we know, randi, what the estate is worth at this point? >> reporter: i asked that question today, and a source told me it's world, quote, at least $200 million, could be worth more since the record sales since his death. katherine jackson's lawyer tonight coming out and saying the will is not notarized, but my source told me, quote, it's not a requirement or custom in california to notarize a will. so here's the question. is mrs. jackson's lawyer suggesting the will doesn't hold up, because it isn't notarized? because he's the same guy that said he's not challenging the will, so we seem to be getting mixed signals from the same person. from what my sources say, mrs. jackson really wants just a seat at the table. she wants some control and some money, but the way it breaks down all right, anderson, jackson's kids get 40% of the

estate and katherine jackson, his mother, will get another 20%, and the rest to charity. so this has people asking, what more does katherine jackson want? >> randi kaye, thank you very much. and tomorrow night, the chef's will appear on "larry king li live." we're also hearing tonight from joe jackson interviewed on news one channel, he said quite a few controversial things since his son's death, in addition to promoting his new record venture, but this is one of them. cnn has not been able to confirm a word of what mr. jackson says. not a surprise. with that in mind, listen to what he's saying about the long-rumored michael jackson love child. >> michael may have had another child, omar is his name? and then there was -- he was sitting right there next to reebie, and everyone's trying to connect some doubts. do you know that as michael's other son? >> yes, i knew he had another son. yes, i did. >> and he looks like a jackson? >> oh, yes, he looks like a jackson, he acts like a jackson. he can dance like a jackson.

>> joe jackson to you, even though the man he's talking about is on record denying it. digging deeper, with jami floyd, "in session's" best defense, and jeffrey toobin on the idea of another son. definitely -- though i guess potential could be an issue in the will? >> sure. it could certainly influence challenges going forward with regard to the estate, which on that last point, the 40/40 and charity split, the real question for katherine is how much is the estate worth? i think that's her question on challenging that. but joe jackson have cagey there. he doesn't say this boy is that other son. he says, yeah, this boy kind of looks like a jackson and yeah, he can dance, but he never says this is that boy i knew to be the other son. >> joe jackson does not make sense when he talks. i'm serious. i've never heard someone who makes less sense when he talks. >> sorts of like a politician. >> if that's what you picked out of what he said, you're better -- >> it's like a rorschach test. you can pick out anything you

want from what joe jackson says. >> i had no idea what he's talking about there. >> let's talk about more important matters on this subject. the fact that dr. conrad murray had these financial problems and is in foreclosure, does that in any way, jeff, change the picture? >> i feel like i'm here most nights defending dr. murray. i don't think this has much to do with anything. he declared bankruptcy in 1992. so what? he had a domestic violence issue in which he was cleared. >> right. >> so what? he took this job which theoretically paid $150,000 a month, because he wanted the money. well, most of us get jobs because we want the money. so i just don't -- >> you mean you're not here for the love of talking about it? >> i do love talking about this, but it's also nice to get a check. i think that's true for most people at their jobs. so i don't think the fact that he had financial troubles is terrifically important.

>> but somebody who's so beholden -- if their house is is now in foreclosure from not getting paid for two months, i guess, i wouldn't want my doctor to be under the verge of bankruptcy and more liable to do stuff perhaps it would make someone more liable to do something. >> to keep the patient happy. >> yeah, to do whatever this person wants. >> the domestic violence thing is entirely irrelevant to me, this isn't a domestic violence case, so i think it's irrelevant. but i think the state of his financial affairs is highly relevant. it does reflect, i think, on the quality of his medical care, that he could provide to michael jackson. i mean, this is michael jackson. why does he have this doctor? that's the question i have. and we should say that this doctor's patients have come out in fierce defense of the man in the wake of all of this, but i think there are going to be real questions about the quality of care, already are real questions about the quality of care he provided for michael jackson, whether it's accident, negligence, nothing at all, but i don't think it's irrelevant that the man from almost the very beginning of his career as a practicing physician could not

manage his financial affairs as a doctor and just as a citizen in nevada, and in the other place where is he practiced. i want to talk about the legal battle and financial battle that seems to be brewing. stay with us for a moment. more on the criminal -- later, how tough is it to do what michael jackson apparently did, get doctor after doctor to write prescription after prescription for drugs that are supposed to warrant the tightest regulation? well, sanjay gupta got the answers both under cover and on the record. take a look. >> for these types of pills, how do you know that they're not doctor shopping or getting pills from all different sources? >> the only way is to -- if we don't know the patient, we try to verify the prescription. >> reporter: is there anything else you can do? also tonight, in her own words, the woman whose 911 call that landed henry louis gates in handcuffs, she says they targeted her for allegations of racism, and that's not all. her emotional public statement ahead on "360."

it's plenty hot in las vegas, even hotter for michael jackson's personal physician. randi kaye reporting he's facing foreclosure on his home. as for the legal case, randi cites a federal official, telling her, quote, murray is the only one they're looking at in connection with michael jackson's death. there seems to be a battle between michael jackson's estate and who runs it. digging deeper, our legal panel "in session's" jami floyd and cnn's jeffrey toobin. does it seem like a case of a mom protecting her brood and wanting -- if she was not named a executor in the will, what right does she have to become a co-executor? >> i don't think there's any right. if michael jackson had wanted her to be his executor, he could have named her. he didn't. he named two professional people and she's on the outside, and this i think is not a legally defensible action. >> there is a no-contest clause

in the will, so if somebody contests the will, they no longer become a beneficiary. >> and very carefully she's not yet contesting. she's asking for documents, asking for certain information, but she's no dummy. she's not risking her financial -- >> are executors of his will under any legal obligation to give her documents? >> yeah, they are. they have to act in good faith and with the court, and they will. one of the things that's nice about estates in trust, although in law school perhaps it's not the most interesting of subjects, but one of the things that's great about it is if you look at the document, it's pretty clear what the now deceased person wanted to have happen. i think that will happen here. >> it's pretty clear. >> it's pretty clear. >> every paragraph is initialed. >> every paragraph is initial. as long as they folks act in good faith and she doesn't officially contest the will, i think it will shake itself out pretty quickly. >> in terms of the case against

dr. murray, where do you see this going? what happens next? >> well, the -- >> randi had one federal source saying that they are zeroing in on dr. murray, but there are apparently more than a dozen doctors out there who prescribed drugs for him. >> there are two real issues with this case. one is, did he act unlawfully? did he do something wrong in the last days of michael jackson's life? that's an important question to answer. the larger question that i think a responsible investigation will do is, what is the context here? how much access did michael jackson have to drugs? what other doctors were giving him drugs? what is michael jackson's history of taking drugs himself? what names did he use? all of that you will need to know, because if you prosecute murray, he's going to say, why are you looking at me? there's this long history out there of other people who were involved as well. >> i think when that report comes out, that toxicology,

that's the watershed here. the cause of death i don't think will be as entirely clear as we think. i don't think it's necessarily going to be that moment in time with murray standing over michael jackson and some untoward intentional act happened, which is sort of the speculative thinking that's going on now. i don't think that's what happened at all. when that report comes out, it may well be that the feds, certainly local law enforcement, start looking at some other doctors that had interactions with michael jackson, plastic surgeons and others who perhaps were involved in procuring medication for him, that maybe he shouldn't have had access to, using aliases and the like, we know that prescription drug medication and overdose and overuse and abuse is a growing problem in this country, and this may be a case that blows that wide open. >> jami floyd, appreciate it. every toobin, appreciate it as always. there's elvis presley's former doctor, now 82 years old, speaking out about accusations that he over-prescribed drugs to his famous patient. up next, how easy is it these days to get the latest and

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we now know investigators have identified 19 doctors so far, 19 who wrote prescriptions for michael jackson. even more stunning, to get those prescriptions, investigators sajak son apparently used 12 different aliases. using fake names is one way to gain checks and balances that is supposed to keep patients safe. so is doctor shopping, which is pretty much what it sounds like, finding friendly doctors that are willing to prescribe the drugs you crave. you don't even have to use a fake name. of course, once you have a prescription fill in hand, you have to get it filled at a pharmacy. we wondered how easy is it to get past that final obstacle. we asked sanjay gupta to take us "up close." >> reporter: anderson, i can

tell you, i write prescriptions for narcotics all the time, but i worry and wonder about my patients? are they getting narcotics elsewhere? are they out doctor shopping? how easy is it to get your hands on lots of narcotics? so i decided to put it to the test with the help of my producer, matt. he's going to be wearing a hidden camera and walk in with me. i'm going to walk in and see if i can get prescriptions filled at a couple different places within the same day. let's take a look. >> reporter: it took about 15 minutes. i was able to walk in with my prescription, about $20 on my charge card, they asked me for my address, and i walked out with 40 pills of narcotics. the pharmacist has done nothing illegal at all, but the question i have is, how much more narcotics could i possibly obtain today? take a look. we made our way to another pharmacy. can i gets my hands on more

narcotics? let's find out. all right. >> hi. hey there. >> how are you? >> doing well. >> okay. can i see your i.d.? thank you. the key words here are "as needed." okay? there's more information about the medicine. again, just be careful. >> reporter: okay. when a patient comes in to these types of pills, how do you know that they're not doctor shopping or getting pills from all sorts of different sources? >> the only way, if we don't know the patient, we actually try to verify -- >> reporter: you verify the prescription. is there anything else you can do? if i walked in with cash or a credit card, having just gotten some from another pharmacy, i can get some from you, clearly no problem? >> again, i would not know. nobody would know. >> reporter: i wasn't trying to do any gotcha journalism, but

are you surprised what i was able to do over the last hour? >> you know, you're a clean-cut, well-dressed man, educated man, not unusual i verify the prescriptions, okay, i usually -- the second a person crosses that threshold, i can tell if something is not right, and if i don't feel right -- i don't fill it. >> reporter: a lot is based on your gestalt? your instinct? >> exactly. >> reporter: thank you. i appreciate it. >> okay. >> reporter: it was fascinating for me. i've never really seen that part of it before. georgia, where i am today, does not have a drug monitoring system, which makes it a particularly attractive place for people to go doctor shopping to do exactly what i was able to demonstrate for you today. >> that guy did nothing wrong, he went through the checks and balances. i know you're an advocate of having a centralized database,

which would take the onus off the pharmacist's gut instinct. doesn't the d.e.a. track this stuff? >> first of all it's not at a federal level. some states have a tracking system. about 38 states. there was a proposal by president bush four years ago to create a national monitoring system, but it didn't get funded until this year. what's more interesting, it's not -- let's say i got narcotics at one pharmacy, that it would show up at the next. someone would have to have some degree of suspicion and go in and query my report. there's still a degree of patient confidentiality. they can only do it if there's some sort of suspicion. there's nothing that flags it for people. >> so how can law enforcement catch people abusing the system? can it only be done in retrospect? >> a lot of it is gut instinct, the first line of defense will be doctors, pharmacists, nurses who sort of get an idea about patients, and who call the d.e.a. after that the d.e.a. can go back and start tracking

prescriptions for an individual patient or an individual doctor, but again a lot of that, as you say, is in retrospect. there's nothing prospective, trying to prevent these things from happening in the first place. >> i want to get your thoughts on this new study getting a lot of attention, about tanning beds and cancer. international researchers putting tanning beds in the same risk category as cigarettes and arsenic. we'll talk to sanjay about that. also ahead, you heard the 911 call that led to henry gates' arrest. tonight the first time, hear from the woman on the other end of the phone in her own words. >> i was called racist, and i was a target of scorn and ridicule because of the things i never said. i was in the grocery store when i had a heart attack. my daughter was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life. please talk to your doctor about aspirin and your heart. i'm going to be grandma for a long time.

still ahead, a disturbing new study about tanning beds and skin cancer. why they may be as dangerous as smoking. first, erica hill joins us for the business bulletin. an al qaeda group claiming responsibility for the deadly terror attacks in indonesia earlier this month. the july 17th blast killed nine people, including at least two presumed suicide bombers, and wounded more than 50. cnn has identified meantime as eighth suspect accused of plotting a violent jihad overseas. jude kenan mohammed and seven others already under arrest were allegedly part of that group. they're charged with supporting terrorism and conspiracy to commit murder abroad. bernard madoff is revealing new details about his ponzi scheme in a candid jailhouse interview with a lawyer representing some of his victims, madoff said he expected authorities to catch him years ago.

madoff met with the sec in 2005 and says if his scheme had been discovered then, billions of dollars would have been recovered. and a chicago woman being sued for libel after complaining about her apartment on twitter. she tweeted, quote, who says sleeping in a moldy apartment was bad for you? horizon realty think thinks it's okay. but horizon realty didn't think that was okay, so now it's suing for $50,000 in damages. what i found interesting, anderson, apparently they didn't contact her to take the tweet do down. they said, and i believe the quote was, sue first, ask questions later. >> wow, there you go. watch out. a texas town where racial tensions are exploding. the latest on the unsolved murder that has the town to breaking point. and breaking news on health care reform, a deadline missed, a deal cut. what does it mean for the fight still ahead? "raw politics" coming up.

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tomorrow night at a picnic table on the white house lane, president obama will have a beer with harvard professor henry louis gates jr. and the officer that arrested him. tonight attorney general eric holder is telling abc news he knows what it feels like to be a victim of racial profiling. >> i was a young college student driving from new york to washington, stopped on a highway, and told to open the trunk of my car, because the police officer told me he wanted to search it for weapons. i remember as i got back in the car and continued on my journey how humiliated i felt, how angry i got. >> professor gates' arrest sparked anger and debate across the country. tonight the woman who made the 911 call that landed him in handcuffs said she would do it again. in her first public comments, lucia whalen also says she only made the call after an older woman without a cell phone told her she was worried someone was breaking into the house. now she's worried people think she's a racist.

here's lucia whalen in her own words today. >> as people around the country were saying and thinking the worst things of me, my family knew the truth, and their support made all the difference. i am proud to have been raised by two loving parents, who instilled in me values including love one another, be kind to strangers, and do not judge people based on race, ethnicity or any other feature other than their character. cambridge is a wonderful place, and when i was called racist, and i was a target of scorn and ridicule because of the things i never said, the criticism hurt me as a person, but it also hurt the community of cambridge. now that the tapes are out, i

hope people can see that i tried to be careful and honest with my words. >> and it bears repeating, she did not mention race in the 911 call and says she didn't mention it to officer crowley. he, in the police report, said that's where he heard it, so clearly there's a discrepancy in that police report. in a city in texas, race relations reached a boiling point. two groups, white supremacists and members of the new black panther party. the clashes have been violent involving hundreds of people at times. at the center of the battle, a brutal and unsolved death.

gary tuchman has tonight's "crime and punishment report." >> reporter: the sights and sounds like a dark chapter in american history. >> we will give them exactly what they came across the street for. >> do you understand? >> reporter: the story is about justice and deep-seeded racial suspicions. the question is what really happened in this highway outside paris, texas. this man, brandon mcclellan, was hit and dragged by a vehicle, left dead on the road. these two men were arrested, charged with murder and sat in jail for eight months. this man, who did not want his face shown on video, is one of

them. you're saying you guys didn't hit him? >> that's what everything says. >> reporter: you mean the evidence, but what do you say? >> i say we didn't hit him. >> reporter: eventually they were released. investigators say they had a lack of evidence, but some say the decision was a cover-up. >> i believe without a doubt, without beyond a shadow of a doubt, the cover-up is based on racism. >> reporter: city officials say paris is roughly 70% white, 20% black. jacqueline mcclellan has lived here her whole life. her son was the victim. >> to me it seemed that everybody was white that i put my faith and truth in, i ended up getting the shaft. >> reporter: the case has proven to be a magnet for both white and black supremacist groups. the new black panther party was drawn here. >> we're going to liberate our people where we see oppressions to the nazis and ku klux klan, we're not backing down. we're not angry, we're just about our people. >> reporter: many of the panthers carry guns. they say they have concealed weapons permits. so the weapons you say you have

with you, you would be prepared to use them. >> of course we will, by any means necessary. >> reporter: if that sounds extreme, you need to understand the history here. racial disturbances are important stories to tell, but in a place like paris, texas, it's particularly important. that's because of what has happened where i'm walking. this is the paris fairgrounds, home of annual fun and festivity. in the late 19th and 20th centuries, white people would gather at some occasions to watch black people get lynched. the past is painful to most people of this town, of any color. you saw the almost rioting in the streets. tell me how it made you feel. >> i was saddened. i don't think it reflects the community or the town that we have correctly. >> reporter: while the two men are no longer accused of murder, the facts are still anything but clear. in a court document, the authorities say the bottom of the truck had been washed after the accident, and driven through tall grass in an attempt to remove possible evidence. but then months later another trucker called to say he could have hit mcclellan on the road that night. he has not been charged. so, all in all, when people say the system is racist because you were not charged, what's your reaction? >> the system may be racist, but it has nothing to do with my charges.

>> reporter: so in the death of brandon mcclellan, everyone is right about one thing -- justice has yet to be served. >> are these two men in the clear? >> as of now there is, but there's a special prosecutor. he tells us if he finds relevant evidence, he could reinstate the charges. i think it's important to point out, though, the critics don't accuse these two men of being racist. and then running this man down. they say that everyone was drunk and that's why it happened, but they do say the critics that the sim is racist, but the people in the system say they're following the law. >> the folks who were protesting, those skinheads and the new black panther party, they don't live in the town they just descended on the town. >> reporter: and ku klux klan members, by the way, some of them from each of these groups we believe live in the town, but most of the members in the new black panther party came from dallas, two hours away. thanks, up next, a new development in the health care. new word of an impasse on the senate side, but a compromise among democrats in the house. candy crowley has the "raw politics." if you want to ask a question, just text it to -- let's hope this guy has some good health insurance. a german man -- do we have that?

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we are just hearing this from congression alternate producer ted barrett, he's learned that two of the three a bipartisan deal on health care reform. they consider an agreement out of reach before the senate goes on the august recess. that's unwelcome news for president obama, who earlier

today took his health care sales pitch on the road. >> right now we have a system that works well for the insurance industry, but doesn't always work for its customers. what we need and will have are health insurance consumer protections to make sure that those who have insurance are treated fairly and insurance companies are held accountable. meanwhile, back in washington, the white house democratic leaders and four fiscally conservative leaders, blue dogs, were hammering out a deal. as part of the deal they agreed to delay a vote until september. we have more in "raw politics." >> anderson, this is just more and more complex. the deal with these conservative democrats, the so-called blue dogs, is promising, because resistance from conservatives have really been coming close to hanging this whole thing up. resistance has come close to hanging this all up. they got these blue dogs on board, by promising to cut the overall cost by $100 billion and

getting a break for small businesses if your payroll is under a half million, you won't have to provide health care. the problem, this does not in any way guarantee that these conservative democrats will support the final version of the bill on the house floor, and oh, by the way, support still looks very shaky for all of this in the senate, anderson, as you noted in the beginning. >> opposition says it will unfairly undercut private insurance and pretty soon everybody will be stuck with government care. what's happening on that front? >> you know, anderson, democrats are very excited, because they're waving around a new report from the congressional budget office which analyzes such things. they're saying the critics are wrong. a government option will not get rid of everyone's choices. that's been one of the president's promises. they're thrilled to hear the cbo say that that's not really going to be a problem, but here is the problem. it's that other cbo report, which says the reform plan is so expensive it will balloon the deficit. that report came out a couple

weeks ago and it's still hanging like a dark cloud over this whole business, anderson. >> considering how much opposition this measure faces, democrats have got to be happy at least at this point that it's still alive? >> sure. they have made progress. they brought some people along and that gives them time to rally some more support, and they're promising they'll do so. the good news is they made more time. the bad thing is, they made more time, because that's giving the opposition to strike, too. look at what's going to happen over the august recess. all over this country, members of congress are going to be hit with ads like this that will be happening everywhere, going for or against this, just pounding away on this, and there will be a lot of them against it, trying to force these people to make up their mind. they're also going to meet with thousands and thousands of constituents, and the public tide has been turning slowly against this. what this comes down to, anderson, is these guys are going out into the buzz saw of public opinion and the promise

from the democrats in the beginning is they would have a brand-new mercedes of a health care plan, and now even democrats are saying it looks like they might end up with a used hyundai, and they're going to say it's still a car, still a win, still reform, but not what they were starting out after. that's the best bet in washington. >> tom foreman, thanks. let's dig deeper with canada crowley. obviously president obama wanted this to happen before the august recess, obviously that won't be the case now. what political risk comes with this timetable? >> reporter: any time a piece of legislation that deals with huge issues and is necessarily controversial hangs out there day after day after day, it really becomes a pinata. one of the reasons that the president wanted this done quickly is because he understands that principle, that the longer things are out there, from the white house point of view, the longer things are out there, the more critics have time to make up things they believe, to say things that are incorrect and drive down public opinion.

the critics will tell you the more americans learn about what's in this bill, the more likely they are to be against it, so time is not on the side of controversial legislation. >> i want to give you a question from a text "360" viewer from illinois -- if health care reform is passed, what type of timeline exists? do we know? >> we don't know exactly, but i will tell you it will not come soon enough to some people. first of all, we don't know exactly what elements are going to be in the bill once it does get, if it does get to the president's desk, but if you, for instance, if this bill calls for a -- the so-called public option -- that is, a government insurance pool that businesses or individuals can buy into -- that is going to take a huge infrastructure. i read somewhere that it might be in order to put all of these things into place, it might take 100,000 new federal employees. that sounds really high to me, but it could be -- it's a huge

plan. you are talking about the government putting together