the president of the united states in mexico sits down for high-level talks on issues that transsinds the border. president barack obama arrived in quad la ha ra in the past hour. ehe and philippe calderon will be joined by canadian prime minister steve harper. suzanne malveaux is covering the summit what do they hope to accomplish in this really small amount of time? >> reporter: sure, don. it is about setting the agenda not necessarily major announcements. there are a lot of important topics. the first about the swine flu h1n1 virus. in april president obama visited with his entourage. had no idea what was percolating. one of his aides got sick but was okay. the swine flu originating from mexico. the u.s., mexican government and

canadian government working closely together, communicating understanding how big this swine flu is going to travel. they expect in the fall it will be a lot worst. want to coordinate efforts to fight that disease. they will be talking about the drug cartels and the violence surrounding that. there was a sense of really goodwill that president obama was here, he took responsibility. the united states, saying we are responsibility for some of the violence because of america's hunger for drugs and the guns crossing from the united states to mexico. the mexican officials want to actually see some more aid, some money here. it was more than $1 billion that former president bush dedicated to fighting the drug effort. $100 million has been delayed in fighting that effort because some members of congress say there are human rights violations that are taking place

inside mexico from its own military. they don't want the funds to flow to mexico until that is resolved. third, it's the economy. they will take a look at what is happening, what is the state of the u.s. economy and the recession because it has such a tremendous impact on the mexican economy as well as the canadian one. don? >> suzanne malveaux traveling with the president throughout this trip and reporting for cnn. the summit is taking place across a backdrop of rising violence. michael ware is in guadalajara and i asked him about that. >> reporter: if you look at the grand scheme of this drug war it is not about the american border. it starts in the andes in south america and to the streets of the united states and the stroots of canada. in the andes you have production. in central america warehousing and shipment, in panama the

money laundering and the banking, mexico is the retail end. by the time you get into the united states that is distribution. the profit incentive is not going to go away until america's demand for this multi-billion dollar supply of illicit drugs goes away. until this demand disappears. >> cnn's michael ware covering the drug war in mexico. back here at home, president obama's other issue, dialing back the raucous debates around health care reform. critics say the administration is blazing its own trail to socialized medicine. cnn's white house correspondent was in washington with the latest. elaine? >> reporter: don, the white house says it is time to lower the temperature on the health care debate but the heated

emotions are not cooling off. with lawmakers back home, anger is boiling over. tok harken got shouted down at this health care meeting in iowa. in georgia, signs the debate are taking a toll. >> those of you who have taken and came and hijacked this event that we're dealing with here. >> reporter: democratic congressman lashed out after a doctor asked -- >> why are you voting for a health care plan that is shown not to work in massachusetts? >> reporter: at first scott said he wasn't sure how he would vote then he let loose. >> don't come and take advantage of what these individuals have done. you want a meeting with me on health care, i'll give it to you. >> reporter: in texas michael burgess. >> this doesn't look like a mob.

this looks like home. >> reporter: the crowd stayed calm. some of the questions pointed. >> when the republicans controlled congress and the senate why didn't you pass reform? >> reporter: in austin, supporters of health care reform getting fired up. this crowd booed as john cornyn tried leaving after touring a community health clinic. on her facebook page republican sarah palin wrote the america i know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with down syndrome will have to stand in front of obama's death pant so his bureaucrat cans decide whether they are worthy of health care. such a system is down right evil. in his weekly address, president obama fired back at opponents. >> let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that

reform will bring about a government takeover of health care that is simply not true. >> reporter: later the president will visit montana, home state of max. >> we are joining for talk on the guadalajara summit. mark, can we talk first about the drug war we have been talking about? you heard cnn's michael ware and suzanne malveaux bring it up. these are high-level talks. what it appears is needed most, boots on the ground as michael said and the demand from the u.s. to stop in order to make a difference. does the administration have a handle on how to combat this? >> the war on drugs is a tricky

situation for any president in office, don. of course, these are going to be very high-level talks today and tomorrow how to combat that. there is an insatiable appetite in the united states for drugs, for illegal drugs. how do we stop this violence in mexico and the violence spilling over into these border towns. i don't personally have an answer for you. i don't know how to do that. the white house is trying to figure that out. >> the couple days they are meeting it is not likely they will figure out the master plan. let's talk about issues in the united states. health care, health care, health care and the raucous debates that have been turning up. here is what i want to know, so far we have seen the congressmen going in for town hall meetings, disruptions and people passionate about this issue. in his town hall the president has not received this to my knowledge.

do you think this will turn up at the town halls? >> yeah. the fuse has been lit, don. these raucous town halls did start by interest groups in washington trying to reconcile up some of their supporters to show up at town halls across the country. the fact is a lot of people are watching and weighing in. it is not just folks who are being instructed what to do and say, but people seeing it on tv that are watching their local reports and saying i want to weigh in. we watched a few hours ago president obama's political arm sent out an e-mail to 13 million people that said we want you to talk to your congressmen and senators and tell them why you want reform. i suspect his town hall in new hampshire will be lively. >> we are up against a break but i want to get this in. i think it is okay to be

organized but people should be transparent. no deception. it is not all people who are fringe at these debates. there have been intelligent town hall debates where there is no screaming and shouting and people getting arrested. >> the fact there has been pushing and shoving and nazi symbolism, the fact is they are not allowing each other to talk. when people are screaming nothing can be said. that is the rub now. >> how much do you get accomplished when the whole room is in an uproar. >> we are going to dig down deeper on this health care debate later this hour and the town hall meetings. we strip away the faction from the fiction from jim greer and david sirota. what is true, false what do we know, what do we don't know. if you have questions or

comments send them in. we'll get them on to those guys. meantime, seven bodies and parts of a mangled helicopter have been pulled out of the hudson river a day after the violent midair crash above new york. the search is ongoing for two more victims, more wreckage and an explanation. investigators believe a small plane rear ended a sightseeing helicopter just before noon yesterday. all nine people onboard died including three teenagers. city leaders and investigators are looking for answers in the air and also in the water. >> this is -- may have been an accident or total tragedy or if we had different procedures you could have prevented it. we have not had very many accidents. the last most notable was the plane putting down in the hudson river everybody survived. in this case we don't think it was survivable the instant the

crash took place. >> during the recovery efforts today they were able to recover most of the helicopter. the helicopter was removed from the water and has been taken to a pier for further examination. that helicopter was in water that was about 30 feet deep. the divers had extremely challenging conditions with current and visibility at times the visibility was no more than one foot in front of them. >> what happened in the skies to the roads now. investigators are asking for pictures, videos of yesterday's crash. seen by thousands on a clear summer day. four children and three adults are dead after a pickup truck was slammed by a reportedly stolen car. the car was fleeing police in fresno, california, yesterday. a 3-year-old boy and three girls all younger than 8 were thrown from the truck when it was hit

by the dodge neon. all three people in the car died in the crash after reportedly running two stop signs. police say none of the victims was wearing a seat belt. the dodge neon was carjacked earlier this weekend. roaring flames and flashing police lights at a prison in chino, california. the fire is under control tonight. more than 250 inmates are hurt a. spokesman says 55 of them are seriously injured. hospitalized with slashes and head wounds. about 80 officers helped bring the situation under control early this morning. no employees or officers are hurt. no word on what sparked the violence. a journalist caught by the taliban, told he was going to be executed. >> what are you thinking, are you afraid? >> we were counting our moments towards the death. >> it would be a terrible death, what they would do to you? >> yes.

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a journalist captured by the taliban is telling his story. he was facing what seemed like

certain death until a top taliban commander spared his life. instead of killing him they thought they could get their message out. we warn you parts of this story is disturbing but no doubt compelling. stan grant reports from islamabad. >> reporter: this man knows how lucky he is to be alive. a man who has faced the taliban, was ordered to be executed and gained a chilling insight into the mind of the most wanted militant in pakistan's s.w.a.t. valley. >> i realized that now we are in the wrong place. >> reporter: it was may this year when the tv reporter and his crew strayed too far. captured, his cameraman and driver taken to an empty room and put on trial by a taliban commander. >> he said, no, you are telling

lies. you are the spies and this is because of you that the hell has been unleashed on us. it is you, the media, who is responsible for unleashing this war on us. so i'm not going to spare you. i'll slit your throat. >> reporter: then an agonizing wait, left alone for five hours with a death sentence on his head. what are you thinking? are you afraid? >> we were just counting our moments towards the death. >> reporter: and it would be a terrible death, what they would do to you? >> yes. our bodies hanging headless somewhere in this the square. >> reporter: there was just a sickening silence, he told me. zarghon says he paced the floor unable to look at his colleagues. he wondered who would be first to be killed and he thought of the most precious thing in his life. >> i was taking the name of my

daughter, i said, i love you. >> reporter: you didn't think you'd see her again? >> yeah. >> reporter: zaghon's fate rested in the hands of the man known for his campaign of terror. he had captured the s.w.a.t. valley and moved his fighters into territory ever closer to pakistan's capital islamabad. zarghon was handed a walkie-talkie, on the other end fazlula himself. this is the first time this footage has been seen, his camera filming under the watch of a taliban fighter. clearly heard agitated and a message of defines to pakistan's army.

[ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: our women and children have been displaced. there has been bloodshed. it is an insult. if they want to fight us come to our mountains and see our strength and power. zarghon can be seen clearly under pressure but the prebs of mind to question the taliban leader. what will end the fighting. nothing less than the implementation of strict sharia or islamic law, if not, he says, the taliban will fight to the death. if the army has the ability to fight us, he says, come to the mountains. the taliban is in the mountains. we are committed. nobody can defeat us. the hardline faslula did something that puzzled zarghon,

he freed the tv crew. the taliban instructed them to film destruction caused by the taliban army. you can hear gunfire and mortar rounds. zarghon takes shelter behind the camera. this was meant to be propaganda for the taliban. pakistan's army drove the taliban from their strong hold. zarg zarghon, doing the taliban's bidding was the price of freedom. it saved his life and gave him back to his family. what was it like when you saw your family again after this experience? when you saw your children again? >> i guess it was -- that was something i think the most beautiful gift of my life is that. i returned to my home and i saw

my children. a doctor challenges his congressman on health care reform and the congressman challenges right back. >> not a single one of you had the decency to call my office and set up for a meeting. okay. then do that. do that. >> so what is going on here? what is in this health care reform bill and what is not? and what's going on in all these town hall meetings? more importantly, is there even a bill to debate. we have facts. no yelling, no screaming, no one getting arrested, we hope. things are going from bad to worse in detroit. first the car companies and now the schools are facing bankruptcy. [ male announcer ] preparation h cream.

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from the typhoon in the western pacific. take a look at this. these are pictures from taiwan. a tropical storm at the time. look at that. this is a hotel building. six stories, that collapsed due to the torrential downpours eroding, washing away of soil underneath. the winds weren't terribly strong but the system sat there and put down nearly seven feet of rain. that is not storm surge. duns of people are feared dead. a storm hit parts of china and about 1 million people had to be evacuated as the typhoon made land fall. into the eastern pacific, there you can see, hawaii, we have tropical storm felicia, producing winds around 50 miles per hour. we are not real worried about the wind as it approached hawaii. it should be weakening. we are talking 15-footers tomorrow into tuesday.

in addition to that, flood advisories in effect. we could see several inches of rainfall. if you live in a flood prone area be prepared. farther to the east of here we have a new tropical development, tropical depression 9 $e, forecast to become guillermo. we will have to keep an eye on that. in the atlantic, one disturbance off the coast of africa. right now the potential less than 15%. don? >> jacqui, thank you very much. >> first chrysler, general moe torres and now the detroit school system could be headed for bankruptcy. poppy harlow is joining us. what is going on? education should be number one priority. >> i think it is. it comes down to money and how much money there snnt municipalities. we don't want to be alarmists. but, yes, if we do see it, the

detroit public school system could be the first to file for bankruptcy. a deficit of $259 million in detroit. the graduation rate is 58%. versus 76% graduation rate statewide. you have enrollment shrinking. when i was in detroit we spent time with a parent and her daughter. the numbers you are looking at now is the enrollment. down 44% from 2000, don. in the last eight or nine years versus a population decline of 3%. i spent a day with fredericka turner and her daughter. take a listen to what she told us. >> my daughter has never attended any detroit public schools and it is because of this. as a concerned parent, my daughter would never go to a detroit public school as of now.

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you can call it passion. you can call it conviction. whatever you call it, the issue has people talking -- more like yelling, trying to be heard. a georgia congressman is the latest to get caught in a fray last week. duffy dixon from wxai was there. >> there are people in this room who are here who do not want anything changed in health care. >> reporter: at a packed town hall meeting taped by the city of douglasville, we see david scott and things start to unravel about a question on health care. >> why are you voting for a health kplarn shown not to work in massachusetts and institute this in a state. >> i'm not voting on any plan. >> reporter: at first he appears confused. then his response. >> first of all, i haven't voted on any bill.

>> are you planning on voting for that bill? >> i don't know. >> that's an easy out. do you support a government run option? >> yes, i do. >> reporter: he continues in what some would call a rant. >> i'm listening to my constituents. these are people who live in the 13th congressional district who vote in this district. that's who i've got to respond to. okay. right. all right. that's everybody with different opinions. so what you've got to understand that those of you who are here who have taken and came and hijacked this event that we are dealing with here this is not a health care event. you've made the choice to come here. >> reporter: we caught up with dr. brian hill the doctor who asked about health care. turns out he is one of scott's constituents and as far as hijacking the meeting he says he

is no plant from the insurance industry or the republican party. in fact that is not the party he belongs to. >> i did not go to create problems. i went to ask a question that was very, very important for my patients. >> reporter: the meeting was about a highway project but later it was opened for any questions from the crowd. >> not a single one of you had the decency to call my office and set up for a meeting. okay. then do that. do that. but don't -- don't come and take advantage of what these individuals have done. you want a meeting with me on health care, i'll give it to you. >> reporter: dr. hill says he has called scott's office, several times. >> i've asked is he going to have health care forums and

address his thoughts and express our ideas and thoughts as well. i was told no. that's why i side to myself i need to go an area where i have access to him. we depend on our congressmen to do what is right for us. i don't see that happening. >> all right. that was tame compared to some of the forums we looked at where techers boiled over. one on thursday in tampa. look at that talk about push coming to shove. >> please step back. >> no! >> passions are running high, patience short on supply. let's separate the fact from the fiction. jim greer chairman of the republican party of florida. he is joining us from orlando this evening and also best-selling author david sirota

from denver. thanks to both of you. no yelling, no pushing, no screaming and no arrests. but we want to have a serious conversation. i had spoken to some folks and they said there are some folks in the know in washington, about 11 different versions of this health care reform bill and no one really knows what is in it. so mr. greer, is that part of the problem or part of the reason priem so upset? we will talk about the legitimacy of what they are doing but is that part of the problem here? >> i think every reasonable american knows we have challenges in our health care system. people want answers as to what president obama's health care plan is going to do. how much it is going to cost. who is going to be eligible to have it provided to them. in many cases this can be a life-and-death situation. when you look at these town hall meetings people are wanting

answers, answers that members of congress can't give. they want to know how it is going to affect them. jim, let me ask you this. i agree with you. people have the right to protest or do whatever they want to do. trust me, i believe in that. but when you show up and you just yes questions, are you disrupting things, what do you get accomplished besides getting everyone in an uproar? do you get your questions addressed? >> no. people should show up to these forums, ask questions, seek answers, there should be no set agenda, no hidden agendas. people organizing these town hall meetings. we are seeing across the country people that show up that are simply seeking information, democrats, independents and republicans, citizens, they show up, they want to get answers they become frustrated and angry when they can't get the simplest

of their questions answered, who is eligible, how much is it going to cost? this administration said it was going to focus on the middle class. every policy program is going to tax the middle class and hurt the middle class. >> i want david to get in. we are going to take a quick break and answer some questions. david, i want you to respond to that. >> i think there a lot of misinformation out there. you can say part of the problem is president obama hasn't been out on the campaign trail in a sustained way campaigning for this. i think that is going to change in the coming week. the other part is there is a huge amount of misinformation by the insurance industry, by corporate lobbyists who in some cases are organizing these protests. saying sarah palin, for instance, saying there is going to be death panels deciding if grandma dies or doesn't die.

this is complete misinformation. so i think you have a situation where there is a huge amount of misinformation swirling out there and part of it, a huge part of it is coming from the insurance industry and conservative movement. >> you bring up a good point. i spoke with a doctor, in fact, i have several friends who are doctors. one is an er doctor. two are general prak tigser ins. the hardest thing to get people to understand we are paying for health care, the uninsured in higher medical bills, higher insurance premiums. this debate about a single source and people happy with their insurance having to pay for it, we are already paying for it. i want both of you to talk about that on the other side of the break. we are answering your questions about health care. we are having a debate, not a debate, a conversation, no yelling, no screaming, the facts on health care reform after the break.

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let's continue our conversation on the politics of health. jim greer chairman of the republican party and journalist and author david sirota. we were talking about single

payer option here. which is, i think that is what a lot of the debate is about here. people want their own choice. according to health care professionals they say much of the country is already andruw single payer system for insurance coverage. people who receive medical benefits from veterans, people on medicaid, state medicate or medicare and state-run programs and people who have insurance are under a single pay system. what gives here. why are people fighting against it? >> i think people are worried there is going to be a "government takeover" of health care. a lot of people already get their health care through a single payer system. the people who do get their health care through a single payer system tend to be happier than private insurance. medicare, veterans in the va. we are having a debate about

health care insurance. >> we are debating how to pay for health care. >> exactly. that is what these bills in congress are about. the insurance industry, the private industry wants to make this about health care this is about how we as a country pay for health care. the people pushing this bill are saying we've got to get the private insurance companies under control, at least under control if not out of the equation? >> jim, do you agree the debate is about how to pay for health care? >> it is always about the money when you are providing services or products. ultimately when you are talking about financing, you talk about what services are going to be provided and what the quality of the service that's provided will be. it is about the financing but ultimately the discussion will have to go to the quality of the health care and what services are provided and you are going to have to make sure that everyone involved in the issue has a seat at the table.

as i said earlier, like in florida with cover florida. it has to be a reasonable approach to it where you've got to go back and find out what is working and what is not working and president obama has not attempted to do that. >> talk to me about -- go ahead and make your point, david. >> i disagree president obama hasn't brought a rot of people to the table. he has tried. some industries like the insurance industry doesn't want to come to the table. about choice and services, look, i know a lot of republican members of congress say we don't want government health care but they are perfectly happy with their own health care. the health care they get is a single payer system, one payer, the members of congress and staff can choose a private program within the single payer system. >> listen. let's talk about this. the doctor i spoke to said he was at a town hall and what surprised him or was confusing to him, many of the people

showing up were elderly people or people who were in wheelchairs and what have you, had some form of illness and people who were already taking advantage of the system. he couldn't understand why those people were protesting a system they were already taking advantage of. >> it is a great question. there was one famous quote where somebody said get your government hands off my medicare. this is absurd. there is a lot of misinformation out there. i think some people in the medicare system are afraid that this is going to mean a decrease in their medicare coverage when, in fact, what we are trying to do is make sure as many people as possible have as good as coverage or better. >> david, we have a problem with the satellite. can we see jim's satellite. we got it back. jim, we are having satellite issue. the weather, i will have to ask jacqui. jim, i am going to give you the

last point. can you hear me? >> yes. >> the reason these people are showing up is they are very concerned about what the future is going to hold for them. they've seen the obama administration since it took office on january 20th try and put government into your lives in almost everies a pebt. what they don't want is dr. pelosi, dr. reed and dr. obama making medical decisions on what tests they need and what types of insurance they should have. that's what they are concerned about. that is why americans akros this country want answers to president obama's health care plan. >> guys, i have to go. i want a one word answer, if you can. doctors say health care costs would go down a lot more if people would get preventive treatment. answer that jim, yes or no? >> yes. absolutely. thank you very much. >> jim. we'll get rid of jim. david, thank you so much.

jim, we are sorry. you never looked better. you are very handsome like that. david sirota, we appreciate it. >> ruth simmons rose from poverty and went on to run one of the country's most prestigious universities. it's the chevy open house. and now, with the cash for clunkers program, a great deal gets even better. let us recycle your older vehicle, and you could qualify for an additional $3500 or $4500 cash back... on top of all other offers.. on a new, more fuel efficient chevy.

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she admits to being a nuisance to her teachers coming up. now bruce simmons among them. they is the first african-american to be the president of an ivy league school. she is up from the past. she is an african-american dream. the gates of an ivy league school are a long way from where ruth simmons started out in, the fields of great land, texas. >> my parents were wonderful, uneducated, fundamentalists. reading level, minimal. working as fuel hands, basically. >> a share cropper and maid with

12 children, simmons parents were dirt poor. but they instilled in their baby girl the value of true success. >> they knew how to teach us not to take a backseat. a gift that motivated her to hit the books, earn a scholarship and eventually grout at the top of her class. >> you know, when i was growing up, i was told systemically that i would never be anything more than a secretary. because that's what society was at the time. so with me as a child growing up, there was this sense that there were limitations for me. but i was very lucky because i stumbled on some magic that helped to allay that. and that magic was books.

>> and not just reed reading them. she was obsessed about how they were written. it led her to study and earning a masters and dom dock rat in romantic literature. that's what her teaching began. first as a dean at princeton and then the highest ranking administrator at spellman. then eventually becoming the first african-american to head the all female smith college. she his her parents, her background, her education shaped her approach to teaching. >> if can you come into your classroom with everything that concerns that student concerns you. that means if they look hungry that, should concern you. that means if they have troubles at home, you have to try to see if there are ways that you can help. >> simmons one-on-one approach earned her high marks and in 2001, she made history again, becoming the president of brown university, the first african-american ever to head an ivy league institution. >> truly, i have seen the kind

of place i imagined when i dedicated my life to education. >> she says that after her appointment, she knew the election of someone like barack obama was possible. >> this society evolved. the same is true for women. today, girls being born in this country can look forward to doing just about anything they aspire to do. and that is an extraordinary thing. because we can remember when women couldn't vote. >> do you think that you lead more as an example or to you do you sit down and say i'm an african-american woman, president of an ivy league. >> being first is historically, perhaps historically significant. but it's also an accident. it could have been somebody else. and i think one can't get too involved in the notion of being

the first really of anything. and i'm just happy to be president of a great university. and it wouldn't matter to me whether i was the fifth african-american who had done it. >> simmons says her mission now is educational equality and access for everyone. at brown, she's launched a $1.4 billion program known as the campaign for academic enrichment. >> we should be judged as society by whether the least of our population can find their way to education and as a consequence of finding our way there, elevate themselves to the highest opportunity. that is the test. >> ruth simmons, a brilliant mind who rose from share cropper's daughter to an admired educator and role model. a true african-american first. a great deal gets even better. let us recycle your older vehicle and you could qualify for an additional $3500 or $4500 cash back

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