4:00 p.m. wor 710 radio in new york. go to loudobbsradio.com to get the local listings. follow me on "lou dobbs news" on twitter.com. we hope you do. for all of us here, thanks for watching. good night from new york. here's campbell brown. tonight, hear the questions we want answered. 47 people trapped on a plane overnight. the airline refusing to let them off. >> there were at least two babies nearby me who cried and screamed almost the whole night. the smells were getting worse. the bathroom was getting worse. >> continental airline and express jet on the defensive tonight. what were they thinking? also, is this any way to get to the truth about health care reform? >> how dare you. >> come on. >> i'll tell you about

conspiracy. it reads like something that was thought up in the early 1930s in germany. it is not -- >> my biggest fear is this is going to get ran down our throats. >> enough with the shout fest. we're turning down the noise and separating fact from fiction in this health care debate. plus, is everything you've ever heard about exercise and weight loss wrong? "time" magazine says work out all you want, it won't help you drop the pounds. and kate gosselin speaks out. why the star of "jon & kate plus 8" had a tv breakdown. hey, everybody. those are the big questions tonight. we're going to start as we always do with the mashup. it is our look at the stories making an impact right now, the moments you missed today. we are watching it all so you don't have to.

we begin with president obama in washington after a quick trip to mexico. tomorrow he takes hi push for health care reform to new hampshire, make or break august. exactly one month before congress comes back in session. this hour, maryland's democratic senator, ben carden, is the latest lawmaker to fend off protesters at a health care reform town meeting happening now. you name it, town hall meetings, constituent meetings, lions clubs, schools, churches have become battle grounds for this verbal war on the number one item on the president's domestic agenda. >> august is a make or break month in the debate over health care reform. it is shaping up to be a long, hot month for lawmakers. tempers reaching a fever pitch. town hall meetings across the country. >> the president's call for calm -- >> you folks in charge of my health care -- >> is in contrast to an increasingly ruckus scene at town halls like this one in new

jersey. >> more and more town hall meetings are turning angry and sometimes disruptive. many lawmakers say they have been shouted down and intimidated. >> the accusations are shocking. inflammatory -- >> adolf hitler called his program the final solution. i kind of wonder what we're going to all ours. >> often incorrect. >> i don't want the government to do it for me. >> right now it seems there's an intentional effort to distort what's in the legislation. >> now the president called for calm while he was at the summit of north american leaders. borrowing a page from his campaign playbook, the white house unveiled a new website called reality check. the office sent out their top health care spokeswoman, linda douglass, talking points in hand to push the president's case. here she is tonight "on message." >> health insurance reform is going to lower your cost. it's going to protect you from unfair insurance regulations. it's going to lower costs. it's going to get rid of unfair

insurance rules. we're going to be lowering costs giving protections to consumers to the insurance company can't deny you coverage. >> so that more people have coverage, we're bending the cost curve and getting insurance reform so people don't get dropped because of pre-exists conditions. >> while in mexico, the president making it clear there won't be a single payer plan like the canadian system. it won't work in the u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton, a moment of lost in translation. while appearing at a town hall meeting in the congo, she was asked a question that, boy, seemed to touch a nerve. the question had actually been mistranslated from french into english. the answer though, wasn't, that was in plain english. listen. >> she thought someone asked her for her husband's opinion of an international matter. >> you want me to tell you what my husband thinks? my husband is not the secretary of state.

i am. so you ask my opinion, i will tell you my opinion. i'm not going to be channeling my husband. >> what does it say to you about hillary clinton right now? >> i thought it was a very testy moment. >> the question had come from a student. it turned out the translator had misstated the question. it actually involved president obama's opinion. the student later apologized. >> secretary due back in the states friday. news on the michael jackson front tonight. lapd has concluded its investigation into how jackson died, but at the coroner's request, holding off on making anything public just yet. in other jackson developments, a judge is naming a lawyer to represent the interest of the three jackson children. also sony picture saying it will release, quote, this is it, this is a movie made from hundreds of hours of video of jackson during the last weeks of his life. the studio is reported to have

paid $50 million for the rights. if you think the health care town hall meetings have been ugly, they have nothing on jon & kate. you know the stars of "jon & kate plus 8" split up and have had their private lives splashed on magazine covers. kate gosselin has spoken out. this is from nbc's "today" show. >> there is no condo. there is no apartment. there was never any looking for one. nobody looked for one, bought one, inquired about one. there is no affair. there never has been an affair. >> i notice you still have on your wedding ring. why is that, kate? >> for them. sorry. >> it's okay. >> i don't want to upset them.

while i've been as real as honest as i need to be, i don't want to shock them. >> now, we were going to find out how her now ex-husband or soon to be ex-husband, jon, thought of kate's confessions but he canceled and interview with "e!" news tonight. we'll be hearing from him in the not so distant future. 47 passengers stacked on an airplane while at the gate. they were locked in by the airline overnight. is there anything they could have done? we're going to talk to one of the passengers coming up next. and the health care debate. you've seen the emotional meetings, you've heard some of the claims. we're going to separate fact from fiction for you tonight and let you make up your own mind. i was in the grocery store when i had a heart attack.

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dead in one place on the ground at an airport in sight of relief but unable to get to it because of, ta-da, regulations. this is an outrageous story. let us put you in the picture. nothing against roster, minnesota, but i know 50 people who probably won't be rushing back. passengers and crew of a commuter flight stuck there overnight, not in a hotel or even in an airport, but get this? on the plane. no food, crying babies, stinky bathroom. get me off. >> if you get stuck on the tarmac, most major airlines have four hours and you're out clause. that is not the case for smaller carriers. 47 passengers on a nightmarish flight from houston to minneapolis found that out the hard way. >> trapped all night inside a small plane parked on a runway. that's what happened to 47 passengers who boarded what was supposed to be a three-hour

continental flight from houston to minnesota's twin cities late friday night. thunderstorms caused the flight to be diverted to rochester, minnesota. by the time the plane landed there the tsa screeners had gone home and the crew was at its maximum work hours. >> what that meant is no one could get off the plane though they were sitting right there at the gate. we invited continental airlines and express jet to come on the show to speak with us what had happened. they're in minnesota on this flight. both declined to appear on the show. link christian is one of the people who lived through this episode, ground, locked in all night long until he and the others were let off at 6:00 in the morning. he's on the phone with us right now from minnesota. welcome. link, you there? >> yes, i am, good evening. >> tell me how people were reacting when you found out you weren't going to be left off. >> caller: we never really found out. we landed and had the expectation there was help on

the way. i mean, for a couple hours they told us the storms were still terrible in minneapolis and we were going to wait until the storms got better. we waited like good passengers for a couple hours based on that. they started telling us they had a bus ready and it's only 60 miles and they were going to bus us back to minneapolis. they told us that for the next couple hours. so the issue really never came up about getting into the terminal because certainly from my point of view i thought help was on the way. >> there were babies on that plane, too, right? >> there was a young couple with a baby on their lap behind me. there was a young couple with a baby on their lap two seats in front of me, and the poor babies just did not survive the night. every five minutes one or the other babies lost it and screamed and cried and it was just horrible for the parents and obviously meant none of us were able to sleep or take a nap.

>> no. i can't even imagine. did they give you guys food, water? i mean, did they bring you dinner at least? >> they did nothing whatsoever. i mean, when we landed in rochester, the flight attendant yelled back to us, does anybody want a drink? i think a few people got a drink at 12:30. from that point on we weren't offered food or water. we hadn't had water at that point. people had gone 9, 10, 11 hours without food. >> it sounds like somewhere along the way they knew the security guys had gone home and what was happening and no one was being honest with you guys about what was really going on. >> nobody said anything about what was going on, and quite frankly i'm not an expert in this area, but i don't understand the security issue. i had transfers flights from west palm beach to houston, gone through the houston airport, gotten on a connection. did not have to go through

security again. i have flown hundreds of times and you don't have to go through security again. they just let us into the terminal at 7:00 in the morning and we did not have to go through security again to go back to minneapolis. so i think that the security thing certainly sounds to me like a pretext. >> so i've read that you got a free drink coupon when you -- i hate to laugh here, but give me a break. >> caller: it's okay. i sort of laughed. >> well, in a statement, in fairness to continental, in a statement they tell us you're going to get a full refund and certificate for future travel, but, i mean, is that fair? given what you went through? >> you know, i had not assessed that at all. i've been trying -- i think i'm the only known passenger on the flight so i tried to help with, you know, communicate what happened to the media and to the public. that's what i've been involved in. so i haven't thought yet about what is the right thing for continental to do. i will tell you my gut feeling

is that their public announcement today about a refund and a round-trip ticket is not the right thing to do. >> well, i got to tell you, with two little babies on that plane, at least two from at least you were aware of, i think it's unbelievable. just outrageous. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your story and getting the word out about this. thanks for your time mr. christin. >> it's absolutely my pleasure. >> how do the airlines get away with this? and how can you as a passenger fight back? can you fight back? we'll talk about that when we come back. asas

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fidgeting, incredulous passengers stuck all night inside a locked down jet on the ground in minnesota. at the gate, they were at the gate, but they were not allowed to go inside the airport terminal. so why does this keep happening again and again? what can you do to fight back? here to answer that is kate hanai of the group fliersrights.org joining us. kate, fly a lot. this punching my buttons. i fly a lot with my kids. the thought of it makes me crazy. what can we do if we found ourselves in this situation? >> the first thing you need to do is take out a camera and take out your cell phone if it has video capacity and you need to document with video or photograph everything that happens on the plane because if there is ever a need for you to confront the airline, you're going to be put in a position of having to prove what happened because the airline will have plausible deny blt around the toilets overflowing and things

like that. secondly, i have to correct a couple things that were said early on. you do not have to go through security on a domestic flight when you're at a diversion airport. only an international flight. and secondedly, no call was every made to the airport by the airline asking for those passengers to be allowed off the plane. so from my understanding, today, and all of the conversations i've had, there was no attempt made. now, what the passengers could have done and what we advise them to do, call our hotline. if they do, and they're stuck, we will call the airport manager ar get 911 or resources we need to out to the plane to call them. our outline is on our website, fliersrights.org. they can get a petition of people who want off the plane and say we've had enough. then they can also warn the flight attendant or flight attendants, in this case, only one of them. in a half hour we're going to do an appropriate nonviolent revolt. what other passengers have done

in this situation is they've banged the baggage bins and stomped their feet and been very, very loud until finally the pilot and flight attendant relent and say, we're going to get you off the plane. >> that scares me a little bit, though. let me make sure i get to the statements from both continental airlines and express jet here. continental airlines -- we invited them to appear on the show, both refused to come on the show. quote, this is from continental, we are working closely with express jet to review and quickly resolve the issues surrounding this extended delay as we recognize service provided to customers on this flight was unam september bl. continental takes responsibility for the care of its customers. we're reenforcing with our regional customers to our customer first commitments that are required as part of our agreements. express jet is their smaller airlines affiliated with continental. they say, quote, express jet's priorities were ensuring

customer safety during severe weather and following federal regulations at the airport facility. we apologize for the extended delay and inconvenience these customers experienced. i guess -- i mean, it's an apology from both of them. what's your reaction here? >> well, there's dishonesty in the apology. first of all, the passengers that got off the plane screamed at the customer service agents in the airport who told them to call cant nenl's customer service who told them, don't call us, it's not our fault, it's express jet and we have no relationship to them. they were passing the buck on and on. early on, there was no culpability, no responsibility taken. secondly, there are no federal regulations that say they cannot take passengers safely off a plane. that's ludicrous. you can always get passengers off a plane with the people mover buses, with portable stairs or pulling up to a gate. it only took one phone call. so this is the same disingenuous argument that we hear on our

hotline and from the thousands of people that have experienced this. i have to tell you, i put out a press release this morning for june stats. there were 278 aircraft that sat for three, four, five, six, seven and eight hours on the tarmac just in the month of june. it's the second worst month since they started recording the data and so we're pushing for congressional mandate, because the airlines clearly won't fix this themselves. we have bipartisan legislation that's moving its way through congress. it's excellent. it would take care of all of the things that happened in this event with the airline and the airport. get the passengers off in three hours. the airport would have to have an emergency plan. >> kate, we'll be interested to find out what happens here. as this moves forward. my guess is these passengers are not going to sort of accept the drink coupons quietly. >> they're not going to accept it. by the way, link is a law professor.

he and i had a lodge conversation about the inability for passengers to get relief in the court. i think you're going to see more media out of this. we're holding a stake holder hearing. link will actually be testifying september 22nd. >> kate, appreciate your time tonight. we've got to go. thanks for chatting with us. >> thanks so much. when we come back, a tourist hot spot turned into a disaster area. look at this. what brought down a six-story hotel? just ahead in tonight's "download."

now we're going to take a look at the other must see stories of the day. in atlanta with tonight's "download," host of hln's "prime news" mike galanos. >> let's start with this.

after several days of uncertainty, u.s. intelligence believes a cia missile strike last wednesday did kill pakistan's taliban chief, baitullah mehsud. his death is considered a severe blow to the taliban in the entire region. we're hearing the 911 calls from saturday's deadly midair collision of a sight-seeing helicopter and small plane between new york city and new jersey. give it a listen. hear the growing panic there. nine people died in the crash. today, divers found the wreckage of the plane at the bottom of the hudson river. this is a sad one to watch, campbell. failed rescue effort on a beach near miami, florida. two whales, a mother and her

calf beeched themselv eed thems. people tried to steer them back out to sea. this is mother nature. there's not much they could do. the mother died. wildlife officials decided to euthanize the baby whale. the baby couldn't survive without mom. dramatic video you showed before the break out of southern taiwan. take a look again. floodwaters washed the lands out from under a six-story hotel. that's the aftermath. causing the whole thing to topple into the river. fortunately the building was completely evacuated before the disaster. across taiwan, 15 people died, hundreds more unaccounted for after a typhoon caused the worst flooding in years. 24 people ended up stuck upside down 40 feet up in the air. these are live pictures. this rescue is still on going. this is california's great america. this ride malfunctioned.

the good news, at least they weren't upsidedown. the ride is called invert go. it stopped. don't know why. this started, campbell, 1:40 pacific, 4:40 eastern. you're looking at almost four hours for some of these people. last count i saw, 11 people had been rescued. whoever is last to come off this thing is going to be there probably seven, eight hours dangling. >> oh my gosh. >> feet dangling there. >> are you sure they're right side up? those people kind of -- >> that's what i'm -- i'm looking right awe long with you. you could be right. i think they're at a 45 degree angle. i'm seeing feet. >> those poor people. >> i know. >> mike galanos for us tonight. see you tomorrow. >> see you, campbell. if you think you can exercise and those unwanted pounds will melt away, think again. coming up, new research, new depressing research that could shake up a lot of workout addicts. and, ten days into august and the dog days of summer are turning into a heated debate

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this is the new e-coupe. this is mercedes-benz. all across america, emotions are red hot over health care. and with august the make or break month, we are drilling down on the facts here. looking at some of the myths, trying to help you separate fact from fiction. fig you out what is really on the table. the debate has been going on now for weeks, but anger on both sides far from cooling down. take a listen. >> health reform critics continue to express their anger at town meetings. this one by senator tom harkin. >> it is not -- >> reporter: and ads for and against the president's health care plan are filling the airwaves. newt gingrich added his voice to

the chorus of health reform critics who suggest the democratic plan would encourage some seriously ill seniors to end their lives. the president called that claim an outlandish rumor. >> that's simply not true. >> recently loud protests erupted at health care reform town hall meetings where members of congress and cabinet members have been angry shouted down. in "usa today," nancy pelosi says, quote, drowning out opposing views is simply un-american, drowning out the facts how we failed at this task for decades. >> it is something like the 1930s in germany. >> yes or no? >> all right. good old-fashioned debate. here to help us, though, fact check some of the claims people are making is the editor of politifact.com. nonpartisan group.

they took him a pulitzer prize for investigating hundreds of political claims made during last november's election. bill o dare is joining us from washington to walk through this with us. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to start with something that got a lot of attention. a statement former gk eer alas governor sarah palin made. she wrote, quote, the america i know and love is not one in which my parents or baby with down syndrome will have to stand in front of obama's death panel so his bureaucrats can decide based on a judgment of their level of productivity in society whether they are worthy of health care. it's pretty clear what she's saying here. where's it coming from? is this true or false? >> we rated that one our lowest rating pants on fire on our truth o meter. there's no such thing in the health care bills. it's really not clear exactly what she's refers to. we think she's referring to

something called comparative effectiveness research which is essentially a panel that would make recommendations on the best kinds of treatments. the bill makes clear that panel is not binding on any health care decisions made for people covered by the plan. so there's another thing that's related about youth nash sha -- >> let me ask you about that. it's not just coming from her. you heard this claim made a number of times that obama's plan will provide youth nash sha. >> that's not true, either. we rated that claim pants on fire. that bill does include a provision that presides patients an option to get end of life counseling earlier than in the past. or i guess for the first time. it's not required. it doesn't tell people to end their lives. it's simply a counseling session to say to people, here, you know, as you get near the end of your life, let us help you make some of these

end-of-life-decisions. >> the next question, one that's been raised during the debate. how much this plan is really going to cost. democratic senator, russ carnahan, here's his quote -- is that true? >> no, that's not true either. that also, that one gets a false on our truth meter. this is kind of based on some hopeful budgeting by the democrats. what they've done is take a cbo report, the congressional budget office, which is sort of the gold standard for estimating costs and added a pretty hopeful assumption that congress every year will approve this medicare fix. that's not what cbo says, though, so we rated that one false on our truth o meter. >> cbo has been causing a lot of problems on this for the white house for saying, not quite so.

not -- that's not quite how it is to many of their claims, haven't they, on some of this cost stuff? >> exactly. it's important for people to look at unbiased objective numbers about the cost. the cbo, as you noted, as indicated there is a huge cost to this program. i think the one that congressman karne happen was referring to put the -- said it would create a deficit of about $239 billion. so it's important to look at the numbers and not do some sort of hopeful accounting. >> on this last one, let's go quickly here, bill. i want to get to it. republican minority leader john boehner wrote in this health care reform plan, quote, it will require americans to subsidize abortion with their hard-earned tax dollars. >> we gave that one a false on our truth o meter. the reason is the democrats have taken -- gone to some lengths to make sure that the bill would

not use taxpayer money to pay for abortions. that one gets a false on the truth o meter. >> all right. bill adair for us trying to straighten out a lot of the myths we've been hearing and claims we've been hearing from our politicians on both sides of the aisle. bill, thank you for that. appreciate it. >> thanks, campbell. when we come back, our panel of political analysts is going to sort out what this means in terms of the health care debate. when we're hearing this words like evil and death panel. scary stuff. we're going to get to the truth of all this. with rheumatoid arthritis, it seems

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welcome back, everybody. august, as we said a critical month for health care reform. we're trying to cut through the noise, cut through the bull, if you will and the outrageous claims and give you the facts. joining us to talk about what's going on in the debate, sherry ja koeb bis, columnist for "the hill." roland martin in new york. john bachelor is contributor to "the daily beast." sherry, let me start with you here. sarah palin said as we talked about in our previous sector that health care reform is evil

and you'd have to go before a death panel in some cases. she writes about the health care debate today by saying, quote, there are many disturbing details in the current bill, but we must stick to the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation of harassment. such tactics diminish our nation's civil discourse. are people thinking things have gotten a little out of hand? >> it isn't just republicans at the town hall meetings that are angry, upset and confused about what washington is trying to do. that's something we need to put to rest right away. in terms of sort of turning back the clock, campbell, this really started when congress was still in session, a couple of weeks ago, and remember everybody was saying read the bill, read the bill and they said we can't read the bill, it's 1,017 pages log. but americans started getting a

little bit nervous. can you imagine what these meetings looked like if obama had his way and able to ram through a vote and these democratic members of congress had to go home and defend a vote and he wanted them -- so i think what you have is the culmination of a justifiable nervousness the american people ahave that congress is trying to push this through so quickly, nobody is reading the bill, everybody trusts it. the discomfort is understandable. you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. people are going to continue to demand answers from members of congress. >> john, you're a republican. you do things republicans are leading the charge here on this and have gone overboard. >> i think mr. boehner of the house -- >> john boehner. >> michael steele, the rnc, both are unfortunate in supporting the protests in the meeting and have not called for adult

behavi behavior. i think it's necessary for the leadership to demonstrate right away this is public policy and not a food fight. i was really disappointed in john boehner of using the expression, very, very hot summer. we know what that means. he did that deliberately. recently mr. steele said he didn't support the outrageous behavior, but, then, again, he can't control the protest. that's provocative language. mr. steele is in a position to call for calm in the republican party. >> before i let roland get into this. you have a lot to say. >> you know i'm just waiting. >> let me let sherry respond to that. >> to say all these people at the town halls -- again, is wrong. this is not something led by washington. this is not something that's being led by michael steele or john boehner. this is something anybody who's been watching politic s even a little bit in recent decades could see what was happening. massive bill. 18% of the u.s. economy, something that affects people so profoundly and their families, again, being rammed through

without any discussion. people are angry and to say that this is partisan and all michael steele has to do is snap his fingers is unrealistic. >> please, for one night, drop the talking points, okay? >> these aren't talking points, roland. we're talking about the american people. >> sarah palin contributes to this nonsense by giving a lie. not a distortion, a flat-out lie. you have people who are listening to this stuff on ra o radio, on television. come out of a politician's mouth, they say that person has to know. when john boehner writes it is going to fund abortions and it is a lie, that is a ridiculous charge on his part. what you have here, you have individuals going to these town hall meetings behaving like spoiled brats. this is not the way you conduct yourself. if you want to have debate, have civil discourse. it is wrong. sherry, you should call it for what it is as opposed to saying it's -- >> i wish, roland, you would be

that strict and that authoritative with the members of congress that were ready to vote for this thing. no, i don't think so. to -- the american people -- to chastise the american people were taking part, we should welcome the fact and be glad people are interested enough to take part in democracy. this is what democracy is. it's not always pretty. if it makes the elected officials -- >> shouting people down and banging on doors is a -- >> unpatriotic -- >> sherry's point, you did have speaker pelosi and stanny hoyer who wrote, quote, drowning out opposing views is simply un-american. drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades. >> of course, like senator inhofe called the -- here's the problem. democrats and republicans. sherry, one second. democrats and republicans play this little game of using words

to get both sides all excited. this issue is too important to be engaged in the kind of ridiculous language we're hearing. we should have honest conversation about what's in the bill and what's going to be the impact. not politics. >> quickly, sherry. >> there's a difference between elected officials engaging in back and forth and elected officials calling regular american understand patriotic and calling them a mob. that's just not right. >> i know, a call for a little civility here which was what john bachelor's point was going to be. i didn't allow you to make it. john, we'll have you back and let you make that point once again. >> i'll just say edmond berk, sherry. edmond berk. edmond berk. liberty without wisdom and virtue is rage and sully and vice. >> thanks to our panel tonight. john and roland and sherry. thanks, guys. we'll do it again soon. the best way to stay slim,

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let's get one thing out of the way right now. exercise is good for you. no question about that. but there is a question, a serious question that's raised by a new study, featured in the current issue of "time" magazine about whether exercise is an efficient way to control your

weight. this is something that is going to shake up a whole lot of workout addicts. here to talk about exercise weight control, dr. jorge rodriguez in los angeles for us tonight. in fork, fitness trainer kathy, along with john cloud of "time" magazine who wrote this very depressing piece, john. i'm going to start with you. tell me why the entire morning i spent doing my workout is not going to help me lose baby weight. >> it's not that it's not necessarily going to help you lose weight. there is a misperception that exercise plays a bigger role in weight loss than it really does. what exercise does for people is makes everything you said at the top. makes people feel good, good for heart health. people should definitely exercise. exercise has a secondary quality of tending to make us hungry. we eat more on days when we exercise because we're physiologically hungry or want to reward ourselves. people tend to underestimate the number of calories they take in as reward after they exercise.

when you look at people exercising over a six-month period, 12, 16, 18-month period, they compare these people, 364 women in this study who exercised with six months with a personal train three to four times a week. at the end of this period, these women lost no more weight than women in a control group. they filled out a form detailing their medical history and detailing their diet. it made them think about what they were eating so those women lost a little weight. >> cathie, you read john's article and write a letter to the magazine and, wait a minute. explain. what are your concerns? >> i think i am in agreement completely with the fact that exercise is incredibly important for our lifestyle and to maintain health. what we need to understand is that it's not only exercise. we have to have proper nutrition that goes together. it's hand in hand. you can't have one without the other. >> right.

>> and with just exercise alone, we can't reward ourselves with a, you know, high-fattening slice of pizza, something that's going to counteract what we just did in the gym or be lured in by some of the markets that takes place many the market with healthy drinks loaded with calorie s or bars. we need to look at the and teach ourselves what is the right thing to get us to the ideal goal of our body weight? >> when you look at the cover of "time" magazine sort of the message it sends, what am i wasting my time for? why don't i jot notes down about what i'm eating? >> on the cover we say it's good for you. we are careful in the story. there is this misconception. people have a tendency to overexercise and there's a certain extent to which we, you know, people get so hungry and tend to pack on the calories. people -- there's a great

misperception about people always say exercise is going to raise my metabolism and i'm going to add this muscle and muscle burns calories so much more than fat. >> that's what i think. >> a pound of muscle is going to burn six calories per day. a resting body, a pound of fat is going to burn two calories in a resting body. work out really hard and convert ten pounds of fat to which by the way would be a -- >> means i can eat and extra life saver? >> 40 calories. you buy yourself 40 calories over an entire day. >> one of the things i wanted to jump in on is that we -- you know, the switches of fat to muscle doesn't exactly physiologically happen. we're born with a set number of fat cells. set number of muscle cells. if you become overweight, obese, those cells enlarge. they can even divide. >> let me go to dr. rodriguez here to get the bottom line. you are a doctor. what do you tell your patients about this? >> what i tell my patients -- this study has reenforced everything i've been saying for

a while which is calories count the most. i am someone who has always had a problem with weight. my uncle said it all. when i went to christmas in miami, where we cubans go, he hugged me and said great but you're little gordito. this article shows that rehab lost that continuity of movement. moving on a daily basis is better than exercise. we need to incorporate healthy movement, healthy activity into our daily lives. don't fool yourself. 30 minutes on the stair master is killed by one little packet of french fries. it's double the calories. absolutely. 300 on the stair master. 350, one little thing of french fries. you have to cut down the calories. >> i'm going to end it there. we all agree, which i love. it never happens. kathy, john, really fascinating piece. it does have a lot of people buzzing. congratulations. dr. jorge rodriguez.

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especially me. because i'm more aware of the situation. so i've just made, you know, cuts in my spending. >> reporter: little things like coffee on the way home? >> like drives on the way home i think, oh, i'd like to have a cup of coffee after being out. i think, well, i'll drive by starbucks and get coffee at home instead. >> reporter: you're having a tough time because the economy is down. people aren't buying furniture. chris is a real estate agent. you're seeing a change. people shopping for houses. >> yes, ali. i was where marilyn was six or nine months. it was pretty bleak. these days we're seeing more foot traffic and having more people purchase homes, too, so it's -- i think we've hit bottom. hopefully we're coming back. >> reporter: if things go well for you, things should go well for your husband. people buy houses, they'll be buying furniture. these are the stories we're getting from all across america. we're going to be going to des moines, iowa, stopping in towns in kentucky, missouri, kansas an