anderson cooper "360" starts now. jon roberts here for anderson cooper tonight. tonight, president obama gets ready to wade into the bitter town hall fight over health care reform. your money, your future, your life. but first, briefly, another late development. authorities know how michael jackson died. they are not saying. not yet, anyway. ted rowlands in los angeles working that story. hey, ted, what do we know? >> reporter: john, after weeks, the l.a. county coroner's office has finally come out and said they are completely done. done with the death investigation into michael jackson. the toxicology is in. the cause of death is in. coming up a little later, we'll tell you when we're going to find out the details of that report that everybody has been waiting to find out what it is in. the details of what killed michael jackson. we'll have that a little later. also a little later, busy day in court. fight over the estate continues. why a judge, today, delayed the proceedings saying the jackson children need their own lawyer in court.

that's coming up later. >> see you then, ted, thanks so much for that. to health care reform. the president taking questions in guadalajara, mexico. where it was 72 degrees and mild. he's face for questions tomorrow in new hampshire in a town hall meeting, kind where tempers hit the broils plate. today, outside of new york, protesters laying into democratic congressman steve rothman. >> quite honestly, we don't trust the government anymore. >> just outside of atlanta, democrat david scott firing back saying protesters could have made an appointment but chose an imambush instead. >> you want a meeting with me on health care? i'll give it to you. >> at an event outside of detroit last week, hitler obama signs outside. inside, protesters shouting down democrat john dingell.

while there are exceptions to all of this, an event today in rural missouri went calmly. we've seen a lot more heat than light. one reported death threat. number of brawls. carefully orchestrated. however, much of the fear and loathing seems real. in just a moment, gary tuchman speaks with some of those new jersey protesters. tom foreman back from a town hall and joins us live from baltimore. what did you see? >> reporter: quite a night, john. lot of people showed up. easily over 500. maybe 600 or more than that. not sure if you put all the people inside and all the people outside who couldn't get in. they started showing up several hours ahead of time to meet with u.s. senator ben carden from here in maryland outside of baltimore here where they were gathering for this meeting at a local university. clearly, clearly, clearly many, many, many of the people were there to oppose the plan. there are some supporters, certainly, but an awful lot of them were there and they were very vocal about why they were

opposing this plan. many because they feel it's being rushed to much. many because they don't like the cost of it. many for a lot of other details. take a listen to what was being said outside this hall at townsend university before it began. >> there's nobody that understands. the congressmen haven't read this bill. it's 1,000 pages-plus. they don't know what's in it themselves. >> reporter: you don't see transparency in this? >> absolutely not. >> i'm a union guy, being a strong supporter of my union. i don't think we should be forced into an option you may or may not want. >> i'm an average citizen who believes that the people have a right to speak. >> people compare the united states to a lot of developed western nations. there's a number of things. we're falling behind. we're falling behind in life expectancy -- >> why does everybody else from the world come here for health

care then? >> they come here because we have the good facilities. now what i would do, i would favor a system where it -- can you just let me speak, sir? do you mind if i speak? >> a lot of passion there. what we've seen in other parts of the country, there must have been concern this meeting wouldn't even be possible, there would be too much shouting, angry voices. that sort of thing. what about all that? >> absolutely right, john. they brought on extra security here. tried to be very orderly and clear with people about how many people would get inside. 500 people allowed inside. at least as many outside who were not able to get in. they tried to make that clear to people. then inside a lot of that bubbling of the pot continued. the senators sat up there and listened and gave as good as he could while listening to the crowd there. by in large, they let him speak. listen to what happened inside. >> i only have one more slide to go.

and if i -- look, all, again, i asked is if you give people a chance to have their questions heard and give a chance for a response, i think it might be a little bit ease your. now -- >> tom, how did the senator take all of that? >> well, you know, he rolled with it pretty well. so did the crowd, i have to say. people were very hot about this very strong emotions. a lot of it one-sided. people who were against the plan. nonetheless, by in large, despite a lot of jeering and booing and carrying on, he generally was able to answer the questions. they generally permitted that in the crowd and it did go the entire time to the appointed finish time, at which point the senator left. there were heated words, very heated passions, but they managed to get through it all, john. afterward i asked the senator how he felt about it. by in large, he supports the right of people to protest. by in large, he feels like this

bill is still very much in flux. there's going to be a lot more talking both in the public and among lawmakers before this ever becomes law. >> they say it's in flux, probably an understatement. again, president obama holds a town hall meeting tomorrow afternoon in ports smith, new hampshire. cnn, of course, will be there. show me the mix of people you saw with the people gary tuchman spoke with today in northern new jersey. >> reporter: a packed senior center on the hottest day of the summer. with an air conditioner that wasn't up to the task. the mood at this health care town hall in new jersey even hotter. >> who doesn't want massive changes to the health care system? >> it's your job to -- >> thank you, sir. >> reporter: democratic congressman steve rothman has qualms with the health care proposal but wants to see reform

occur. many want this left alone. >> my opinion is we have the best health care in the world. people from canada and the world come here for life saving procedures. where are we going to go if this health care gets passed? >> one of the purposes of the health care reform or health insurance reform is to keep the insurance companies -- >> reporter: there was also anger outside the building because the town hall was so full, scores of folks were kept out. the numbers of people surprised even the mayor. >>s this type of turnout in the light of the fact there's this hot-button issue. >> reporter: the town hall went longer than the scheduled time of two hours. when the congressman talked about health care goals, he had a tough time convincing many in the crowd. >> if the health care bill passes will elective abortion be

paid for by the government? answer, no. >> reporter: they also doubted the congressman's numbers. >> at some way or another and improve the situation where we now have 47 million uninsured. >> reporter: so why is all the yelling and screaming necessary? >> they are taking our money and giving it to other people. we don't want to sit down and take it. >> reporter: if you were about to be hit by a bus and didn't see it coming, would you like me to yell and get your attention. >> i would definitely like you to yell. >> reporter: this is a bus that's going to hit -- that's going to hit -- >> it's a little slower process than a bus. >> reporter: it absolutely is. >> this town hall meeting is similar in some ways to a boxing match. most of the audience threw figurative punches. the congressman defends himself with a few jabs of his own. the room like a boxing ring gets hotter and hotter. the people get tired and sweaty.

nobody wants to quit. after 3 1/2 hours, 90 minutes longer than scheduled it ended. with the congressman and most of his audience agreeing to disagree. gary tuchman, cnn, north arlington, new jersey. debate continues online at ac360.com. after the break, two radio talkers hearing from and speaking for an awful lot of people on both sides of the issue. ron reagan and dana lohse coming up. new developments in the aftermath of that midair collision above new york's hudson river. our erica hill goes airborne to survey the risk and we hear for the first time early word of that terrible moment. he ran off with his secretary! she's 23 years old! - oh, come on. - enough! you get half and you get half. ( chirp ) team three, boathouse? ( chirp ) oh yeah-- his and hers. - ( crowd gasping ) - ( chirp ) van gogh? ( chirp ) even steven. - ( chirp ) mansion. - ( chirp ) good to go. ( grunts ) timber!

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people play for keeps, health care politics, especially. so much for everybody involving such wealth and deeply vested interest. the merits is unimaginable. president obama called for just that. going to try it out tomorrow in new hampshire. >> lower our taxes! >> he wants everyone to calm down a little bit. as you've been seeing tonight and all last week, at the moment it's a very potent mix out there. here to talk strategy from the left and right, ron reagan of air america and dana lohse, a radio show host and affiliate with the st. louis t.e.a. party coalition. dana, why so much anger, mistrust and misinformation out there? has this thing devolved to the point where it's not only unproductive but could be potentially dangerous?

>> i don't think it could be dangerous. congress is responsible for sitting tsit i setting the tone. congress hasn't allowed for one of the important pieces of legislation of american history. people are reacting to that. they're tired of calling their legislator and leaving a message with an aide. tired of going to a website and filling out a form e-mail. we're seeing at the town halls, people are flocking there because they have their elected official's ear and want to express their concerns about the health care legislation. >> ron, what about this arguments, then? these people are not organized. it's a grassroots movement. these are americans who want to get involved in the process and deeply concerned about health care because it affects each and every one of us so much? >> it's fine to get involved and show up at a town hall meeting and have a conversation. you have to have the conversation and the discussion. many of these people, not all, i'm sure. many of these people are clearly showing up to shut the conversation down. they are being inspired by some members of congress who are floating this rumor as certain,

you know, talk show hosts do that, you know, obama is all about killing the elderly and, you know, there are these death panels, as sarah palin put it on her facebook page. i don't know that it's going to get dangerous out there. i tend to think a lot of these might calm down because they realize it's not good press for them. in arizona, today, a gun dropped out of one of these people's pockets while they were hooting and hollering. >> maybe they had a consume carry license. >> you have to wonder whether you need to be packing heat to go to a town hall. >> at russ carnahan's town hall meeting, as a young woman looking back at big guys who were fwlglaring at me, i was a little bit afraid. >> really thinking you were going to be coming to harm there? >> one was beating down in the parking lot afterwards. >> it's a matter of time before somebody ul pulls out a gun and does something with it. >> it could be this person did

have a concealed carry license. >> yeah. >> you can immediately assign something negative -- they might have had a concealed license. it's interesting the guy didn't pick up the gun and start shooting everybody with it. responsible firearm ownership. >> i'm sure the gentleman picked up the gun and put it back in his pocket. let me just, dana, ask you about a point heron made a second ago. president obama did talk about this in guadalajara, mexico. he seemed to suggest after the august recess things might calm down a little bit. listen to what he said. >> i suspect once he get into the fall and people look at the actual legislation that's being proposed that more sensible and reasonable arguments will emerge and we're going to get this passed. >> do you think that will happen? >> well, i think people already know what's in the legislation.

that's why they're going to these town hall meetings because they don't like the canned responses they're getting back from elected officials. these people who are going are well-versed in what's going on with the legislation. they know what's in there. they're asking questions and wanting answers. they're not getting the answers -- they're not getting answers, period. at the carnahan town hall event it was a powerpoint legislation. some of the slides had honey bees on them and sunflowers. one said sunshine is a disinfectant. it was like talking below the audience. i understand the frustration. anybody in their right mind would be frustrated. >> this idea of talking to the audience. hoyer and nancy pelosi came out with the editorial that said it was un-american to come out with decenting views. you know, there are people who have distanced themselves from that. they are from the white house, ron. is that over the top? >> if you're saying it's un-american to have descending views, that's clearly over the top. it is un-american, i think, to

take a town hall format and try to shut it down. that's not about airing descending views. >> i mean, no, because -- >> we have the marching orders for these people. >> talk about marching orders, how about kathleen sebelius' -- her call with seiu. telling people, let's roll up our shirt sleeves, show up in force. >> isn't the other side doing the same thing, dana? >> no. >> yes, they are. >> this is the time and location. we're not saying as the -- >> fox news, here's all the democratic town hall meetings. we do it as republicans but don't have it. >> it's all over youtube. marching orders have been laid out. in st. louis, alone, there was an ad on craigslist asking for a paid progressive activist. >> good, maybe they'll bring their guns, too. >> no, they don't believe in guns. >> that's true. peaceful people there. >> sarah palin, former governor

of alaska -- dana, former governor of alaska sarah palin came out today calling for civil discourse on the proposal days after she characterized the plan as down right evil, suggesting there would be death panels that would decide who gets health care and who doesn't. you know, newt gingrich over the weekend was talking about the slippery slope toward euthana a euthanasia. dana, is it just scaring people? >> i don't think it's scaring people. definitely there's a concern about -- >> there's nothing in any of the bills about death panels. nothing in of the bills about euthanasia. >> it's all about perspective. when you're talking about insuring 47 million americans with health care and not raising the cost, where is the cost control coming from? especially when you have dr. emmanuel, one of the advisers to the president who has some, like, very questionable ethics with regards to health care. i mean, definitely that's going to raise red flags. >> quick final word. >> something is going to be

passed in the fall. we'll see what it is. we're not going to get what we really need in this country, universal single payer. we might if we're lucky get a strong public option that will compete with the private plans. >> not with the government calling the shots. >> medicare and the v.a. >> we'll see where this goes. we've got to run, folks. dana, ron. thanks for being with us. ron, i know it's been an awfully long day for you. a lot more online. with all the shouting about not wanting this country to turn into france, great britain or heaven forbid, canada. log on to see how the other countries compare. a place for you to get a lot of information. tomorrow night, answering critics who say we should answer first before we start spending money to reform it. keeping them honest on that. coming up tonight, watch secretary of state hillary clinton get undiplomatic when she thought she was asked about former president clinton. what's holding up answers in the michael jackson case.

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coming up on "360," mexico's drug cartels found a new way making billions of dollars smuggling people across the border. ransom for some. selling others in slavery. erica hill joins us with the "360" news bulletin. explosions across iraq killing 50 people and wounding more than 00. most victims civilians in shiite areas. today i today's attacks follow bombings on friday. al qaeda in iraq is behind the increasing violence intended to stir up tensions. in congo, africa tour, secretary of state hillary clinton uncharacteristically losing her diplomatic cool. it happened at a town hall meeting.

a male university student asked her what president obama would think about congo's financial dealings with china. one problem, though, the translator apparently made a mistake and instead relaid the question as asking, what did the secretary think mr. clinton would think? here's how the secretary responded. >> you want me to tell you what my husband thinks? my husband is not the secretary of state. i am. you ask my opinion, i will tell you my opinion. i'm not going to be channel my husband. tomorrow, more than 225 general motors dealers in california going to try something new. selling their vehicles through ebay. a tofour-week trial. consumers bargain with dealers virtually using the online site. dramatic pictures from taiwan, capturing the collapse of the hotel at one of southern taiwan's oldest hot springs

resorts. floodwaters from the typhoon washed out the soil and land from the building's foundation. it's believed the hotel had been completely evacuated before the collapse. hope so. >> dramatic video. the whole thing with the secretary of state as i understand it ended well. the trants later said, i goofed. sorry. >> we got it all fixed. clearly she's not going to tell us what her husband thinks. >> that's pretty clear. next on "360," horror above the husbandson. did the crowded airspace contribute to the tragedy? later, dealing in drugs and lives. mexico's cartels aren't just sending narcotics into america. michael ware reports on their human trafficking business.

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divers return to the hudson river tomorrow to search for the ninth victim of saturday's midair collision between a plane and helicopter. they found an eighth body today in the submerged plane. tonight investigators are looking for clues as to what caused the accident. they're studying the rewreckage and talking with witnesses. here's one 911 call moments after the impact. >> the airspace above the hudson may have played a factor.

it's a very busy corridor. one pilot has a name for it, the wild west. is it really? keeping them honest tonight, here's erica hill. >> reporter: every bit of new york is a tourist destination, including the skies. sight team companies run helicopter tours up and down both sides of manhattan, mixing with public aircraft and business charters. it adds up to crowded airspace. pete has been a helicopter pilot for 26 years. he says the only problems above the hudson are pilots who aren't paying attention. >> on the weekend, you have people that are out sightseeing and not paying attention and trying to explain to other people in the airplane. so they make erratic moves to people like us. >> reporter: moves that happen so quickly, there isn't time to respond, which many speculate may have caused saturday's deadly crash. when a small private plane and sight-seeing helicopter simply didn't see one another and

collided. up and down the hudson, isn't necessarily radio. with the altitude declining. it's their own eyes. it's looking out for everything around you. >> just picked up a helicopter about 500 feet below us. similar to being in a car. you're always looking around. >> reporter: there's a dedicated radio frequency for the airspace below 1,100 feet. pilots register their location as they pass well-known landmarks. >> three helicopters just left here, contacted each other. >> reporter: supposed to be, but it isn't required. and while this pilot doesn't see the hudson as an especially crowded area, after saturday's midair collision, there are definitely more eyes on this airspace. >> it is unconscionable that the federal aviation administration, the faa, permits unregulated

flights in a crowded airspace in a major metropolitan area. the hudson river flight charter must not continue to be the wild west. >> reporter: to pete, it's not any more wild than the roadways. still, he wouldn't mind a few changes. >> i'd like to see airplanes above 800 feet so helicopters can have 700 feet. as well as all the other helicopters because we're landing on the rivers. there are heliports that have operated. >> reporter: this pilot would like to stay that way. >> you told me this was your first time up in a helicopter. >> i asked him what it was like on a normal day. today there was a temporary flight restriction in place. we went up before the yankee game started. it was a little quiet. on a normal day he would see 10 to 15 aircraft which he doesn't consider to be busy.

you're not in that space for too long. he said that would be an average day when he's going up and down that space. >> every time he's up there are 10 to 15? >> that's an average. today we saw three or four other aircraft. later in the day, 6:30, 7:00. he says the busiest days are weekends when you have not just official sightseeing tours but people taking private planes up doing unofficial sightseeing tours for friends and family. let us know what you think. join the live chat at ac360.com. kidnapping on the border. mexican cartels have a brutal new tactic. selling people for money. developments in the michael jackson death investigation. the battle line in the fight over his estate. n't know my credit was whack ♪ ♪ 'cause now i'm driving off the lot in a used sub-compact. ♪ ♪ f-r-e-e, that spells free credit report dot com, baby. ♪ ♪ saw their ads on my tv ♪ thought about going but was too lazy ♪

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mexico. had been accusations from some in washington that calderon's government is sacrificing human rights to win the war. he's president obama's response. >> i am confident that as the national police are trained, as the coordination between the military and local police officials is improved, there's going to be increased transparency and accountability and that human rights will be observed. the biggest, by far, violators of human rights right now are the cartels, themselves, that are kidnapping people and extorting people and encouraging corruption in these regions. >> the president also touched on immigration calling it a broken system for the cartels, however, illegal immigration is a booming industry and a bloody one at that. they are not just smuggling narcotics a i cross the border. with tonight's "crime and punishment report," here's cnn's

michael ware. >> reporter: this is a tale of kidnap, imprisonment and worse, much worse. it's the story of those who fall prey to mexico's drug cartels because of their hope to come to america. i cannot tell you her name nor anyone else's in this story, nor can i show you their faces or tell you where i met them because if i did, they say, they would almost certainly be killed. that's because the violent drug cartels have a new and lucrative business. think of it as a host l takeover. the people-smuggling business. this woman fled the poverty of her hometown, the seventh of 12 children. as hundreds do every week in central america, she headed north to mexico, bound for the u.s. only to be seized by one of the most brutal cartels in the

business, lozettas. the cartel ransomed them off for whatever they could get, selling them back to families who barely could pay. >> they control. they have the infrastructure. they have the money. they have the people. they have the guns. they have everything to control everything. >> reporter: this man is one of few working with the cartels' victims. he tells us the cartels' new business, human trafficking is flourishing. >> yes. it's not only a drug issue. it's getting money. where it come from the money, they don't care. >> reporter: some of money is youed for bribery. when the car carrying the young

woman in our story arrived at an immigration checkpoint, she hoped her ordeal with the cartel is over. she said the immigration officials were in on it. this is another woman who was held by a cartel. her family was unable to pay a ransom, so for four months, she was forced to work. talking to the other hostages and the cartel kidnappers, themselves. she says she was also ordered to take food to prisoners, shackled in makeshift torture chambers and wash the clothes of their

cartel jailers. the men chopped into pieces, she said, were hostages who could not pay or more often they were the men they called coyotes, the mexicans who specialize in smuggling people across the u.s. border. the cartels literally butchering their competition. anything that makes cartels stronger is a threat to america. particularly when it offers a new means of importing more drugs. >> the centers are prime example of an organization that has from a traditional perspective looked into other areas of making money. specifically would be a smuggling situation. it's a means of introducing drugs into the united states. >> reporter: and that means only one thing. many more horror stories to

come. >> michael ware joins us live from guadalajara. the women in your piece, do we know what will happen next to them? >> the short answer to that, john, is no. they don't know what will become of them. the people caring for them don't know what will become of them. they are caught in a limbo, john. they can't move forward to the united states, can't move backwards to impoverished families. they are literally caught in the middle. we're going to have to monitor their fight and see what becomes of them. they are very much a barometer of the human tragedy about to unfold for those who are trying to get to the united states through mexico. john? >> these cartels, michael, first drug smuggling, now human trafficking. is there any business they won't get into as long as there's money to be made? >> absolutely not. one would imagine as the dea tells us that the cartels are under pressure from the mexican

government's military operations, from introdiction by u.s. forces at the border. they're looking for other revenue streams. other people will tell you in any hard economic times, like any good company following any decent business model, the cartels are diversifying their business interest. from here on in it's virtually clear game for any elicit and sometimes legal businesses that are operating in areas controlled by the cartels. soon it will be the taxis, the hotels and goodness knows what next. john? >> so far, though, not exactly a decent business model. michael ware for us in gaud guadalajara. go to ac360.com to see a map of their expanding network. michael jackson's autopsy is complete. his estate is far from settled. the latest on that angle. will there be a movie made from his final rehearsals? answers ahead.

also ahead, reality star mom kate gosselin breaks her silence and sheds some tears.

tonight's "360" follow, the latest in the michael jackson investigation. as ted rowlands reported at the top of the hour, authorities know how jackson died. they confirmed today another coroner's report has been completed. investigators are not making that report public, not just yet. there are other new developments

tonight to tell you about as well. ted rowlands joins us again from los angeles. hi, ted. >> reporter: hi, john. get the feeling the coroner's office would love to share their findings after weeks of not only holding people off, saying we should be finished next week, next week, next week, they really do, in their press release say they've done a thorough investigation and come to a conclusion in terms of their death investigation. they are not going to release this information to the public until the lapd gives them the go ahead. the lapd asked the coroner's office for not to hold that information and keep it out of the public view until their criminal investigation or their death investigation, which could turn criminal, is complete. obviously the lapd has served search warrants at houston, las vegas, we understand there could be more warrants down the line. until they're finished they're not awe lowing the coroner to release the information, not awe lowing the public to found out what was in michael jackson's

system at the time of his death. >> there's new information about control of michael jackson's esta estate. what are we finding out about that in. >> another day in court on that front. katherine jackson, her lawyers there along with the executors of this will and estate. what they're hammering out is what dealing to take on, make money for the estate. the judge said, i don't feel comfortable anymore unless there's a lawyer here that represents the best interest for the children. he okayed sony pictures and columbia pictures to make a movie, documentary using the rehearsal footage michael jackson compiled in the days leading up to his death, released in october. that's a done deal. sony paid $60 million for it. they expect to get that back and more. the judge said there are other things out there. a memorabilia tour of different cities and concerts next year in london. started in july. the judge said i'm not going to rule on this until we appoint another lawyer for the children's benefit. think about it. a year from now, memorabilia

tour. does that help the children? going to appoint a lawyer and tackle those things next week. >> ted rowlands from los angeles. lot of moving pieces to the story. let's dig deeper with jeffrey toobin. plenty of cases in the past where toxicology reports, whatever have been released and police investigation continues. why in this particular case as the lapd told the coroner, don't tell anybody how he died? >> they are concerned that witnesses, presumably starting with dr. murray, the chief suspect in this case, will line up their stories with what they know the scientific evidence shows. they want the witnesses to tell the truth and then see if it really is the truth because they have the scientific proof on the other side. >> we're six weeks into this investigation now. he died about six weeks ago. the longer this goes on, what are the likelihood charges might be filed against dr. conrad murray? if you've got a pretty good case, don't you fill charges

close to, if not right away, just a couple, three weeks out? >> it's certainly one of the truisms of criminal law that cases don't get better with time. you should file a case as soon as you have good evidence. this is a complicated case. there's a lot of scientific evidence involved. the issue of cause of death, michael jackson's access to drugs, is really a complicated one. conrad murray is not a fugitive. not going to go anywhere. i do think it makes a lot of sense to make sure you have the best case you possibly can before you file any charges. >> does it suggest uncertainty and if there is uncertainty, how much should dr. murray's favor might that play should he be charged? >> certainly uncertainty will play in the defendant's favor. given the complexity of this, i wouldn't draw conclusions one way or the other based on the fact they haven't charged him yet. >> the judge, today, said michael jackson's three children, i want you have to

legal representation. katherine jackson is the gua guardian of these children. >> i think the judge is acting prudently. it's interesting what katherine jackson is doing here. she's not challenging the will. if she challenges the will she loses all of the money. she's sort of challenging the procedures in administering the will so far. she's raising a lot of questions. asking to see more documents. asking for more time. at some point her interests may conflict with her children's who are the major beneficiaries of the will. the judge is doing what judges often do which is make sure everybody has their own representatives especially when you're dealing with kids who can't represent themselves. >> cakatherine jackson looking over the kids. there are so many different points of conflict emerging now over all of this. >> that's just the reason. at some point if katherine jackson becomes an obstruction, that could challenge the children's interests. that could hurt the children's

financial interests. they want -- the judge wants a lawyer to say, hey, let's make sure the kids get as much money as they can down the road. >> when we first started talking about this you told me probably two to three years to figure it out. do you want to revise that? >> three looking more likely than two. >> jeff, thanks for stepping by tonight. appreciate it. next on "360," one-half of jon & kate minus the 8 speaking out about why she's still wearing her wedding ring. we know you've been wondering even if you wouldn't want to admit it. they were looking for a thrill, not sheer terror. people trapped on a roller coaster 80 feet up. again, when i least expected it, my asthma symptoms came back. so this time, my doctor gave me symbicort to help control my asthma. it combines two medicines that help control inflammation and constriction. so i'm breathing more freely day and night, and that feels good to me. and symbicort is an asthma controller

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lot happening tonight. let's get the latest on the other stories we're following. erica hill joins us again with a "360" bulletin. hi, erica. >> a bit of a "360" follow to start for you. the u.s. government convinced the top taliban commander in pakistan is in fact dead. senior officials confirming

baitullah mehsud killed in a cia missile strike last wednesday, clinching the i.d. they say he was spotted just before that strike on the roof getting treatment for his diabetic leg. they were left hanging, some for nearly six hours. two dozen people stuck on the invertigo roller coaster at the great america theme park just south of san francisco. the ride stops near the high point, 90 degree heat became a low point. frankly i don't really think being stuck at the high point is ever a high point. luckily, no one was hurt. kate gosselin is speaking out explaining why the "jon & kate plus 8" co-star is wearing the wedding ring despite the announcement of a divorce. >> um -- sorry. >> that's okay. >> i don't want to upset them. while i've been very real and as

honest as i need to be, i don't want to shock them. i've walked slowly through this with them. >> and they're obviously speaking about her eight children. your canine companion is smarter than your think. a study shows your average dog has the same i-kprks as a 2-year-old. can count up to five and learn words. the poodles, german she pards. in that order, john. the not so bright bulbs are apparently hounds and beagles which is bad news for my father, a beagle lover. >> i know a few beagle owners, myself. i've had golden retrievers. through much of my adult life. >> where do you believe they fall? >> i don't think they can count to five. i've never heard either one of them ever speak a word. i don't think they're too good on the vocabulary. >> the 165 words i'm a little cautious about. >> yeah. mostly know food, food, food. thanks, erica. still ahead, a new video

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tune. take a look. ♪ it's painful to be shameful ♪ it's painful ♪ top of the world >> are those guys clever or what? the gregory brothers. i talked to them about a week ago. fun guys. >> do they have favorite people they like to auto tune? newsmakers? >> yeah, michele bachmann from minnesota. >> really? >> john boehner has well. he apparently works very well. they also like hillary clinton. >> new material. from the secretary clinton now. >> yes, they do. >> they get new material each and every day. no question about it. >> never lack of it. >> thanks, erica. see the most recent "shots" on our website, ac360.com. coming up at the top of the hour, the heat over health care reform.