go to loudobbsradio.com, loudobbs.com for the local listings in your area. you can always follow me and i hope you do on lou dobbs news on twitter.com. thanks for being with us tonight. join us here tomorrow. for all of us, good night from new york, next, campbell brown. tonight, here are the questions, we want answers. are we getting anywhere with the health care debate? >> where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real. not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed. >> reporter: civil for the president, but out of control at other town halls. >> wait a minute, you want to leave? leave. >> i am going to speak my mind before i leave because your people told me i could. i called your office and i was told i could have the mike to speak.

and then when i was lied to -- >> do you want to be fair to your fellow patriots that are here today and give them an opportunity? that would be terrific. >> with all of the shouting, important questions are going unanswered. tonight, once again, we are separating fact from fiction. plus, why are we harping on hillary clinton? the secretary of state is in africa on an important diplomatic mission, so why is this all anybody's talking about? >> wait, you want me to tell you what my husband thinks? my husband is not the secretary of state, i am. hi, everybody, those are big questions tonight, but we're going to start as we always do with the mash-up. it is our look at all of the stories making an impact right now, the moment you may have missed today. we're watching it all so you don't have to. we begin with president obama on offense today. he's pushing back at critics of

his health care reform plan, holding his own town hall-style meeting in new hampshire. unlike the other town halls we've seen, the president got off easy. >> he didn't back down and it didn't turn ugly. he forcefully defended his ideas, thumbing his nose at critics and pushing back at what he called rumors. >> for all of the scare tactics out there, what is truly scary, risky, is if we do nothing. >> the audience responded warmly to his new strategy of vilifying insurance companies and focusing on ways that people who already have insurance will benefit. >> i don't think government bureaucrats should be meddling, but i don't think insurance company bureaucrats should be meddling. >> some angry. inside, the crowd was angry with chants of yes, we can. he used humor to push back on some of the wilder accusations.

>> the rumor that's been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the house of representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma. i am not in favor of that. >> so, some civil give and take in new hampshire, but a rough ride elsewhere for senators claire mccatskill and arlen spector. check it out. >> i don't understand this rudeness. what is this? i don't get it. do you all think you're persuading people when you shout out like that? >> you want to be led out of here? you're welcome to go. >> now wait a minute, now wait a minute. now wait a minute. >> beg your pardon? >> you don't trust me? okay. you know, i don't know what else i can do.

i don't know what else i can do. if you want me to go home -- >> one day god's going to stand before you, and he's going to judge you. and the rest of your cronies up on the hill. >> okay. we've just had -- we've just had a demonstration of democracy. okay? >> so that's what it was. a little civics 101 there in pennsylvania. a lot of lawmakers saying that they are trying to educate their constituents, given all the misinformation out there, maybe they should try an old favorite. ♪ i'm just a bill, yes, i'm only a bill ♪ ♪ and i'm sitting here on capitol hill ♪ >> and there really is no finished bill at this point. >> one of the gentlemen there asked me, how are you going to vote? >> there is no bill. >> there's no final health care bill completed yet. ♪ well, now i'm stuck in

committee and i'll sit here and wait while a few key congressmen discuss and debate ♪ >> three house committees have passed separate versions, now they have to be merged into one bill the full house can vote on. if bills pass the house and senate, negotiators iron out differences and both vote again. if the final bill passes, it goes to president obama. >> it's not easy to become. ♪ how i hope and pray i will, but today i am still just a bill ♪ >> doesn't that bring back memories? more from the town halls including a fact check coming up. now, while the focus here at home has been on health care, overseas in iraq today, some of the worst violence in months. today several more bombings in baghdad, yesterday, blasts around the country killed more than 50 people. >> today a shiite neighborhood in baghdad was hit with three separate bombings, killing three

people. several attacks over the past four days that have killed more than 100 people. it has been the deadliest period since american troops withdrew from major cities to their bases in the outlying areas. >> and it has been just a month since those troops have pulled back from many of the iraqi cities. an extraordinary woman died today, eunice kennedy shriver. she will be remembered for her own contribution as the founder of the special olympics. >> in ancient rome, they went into the arena with these words on their lips. let me win, but if i cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt. >> she founded the special olympics in 1968, exuberant, restless, deeply religious, she changed the way the world views the mentally disabled. said of her "when the full

judgment of the kennedy legacy is made, the changes brought by eunice kennedy shriver may well be seen as the most consequential." >> today more than 3 million people participate in special olympics programs. she was 88 years old. on a much lighter note tonight, the headache that is levi johnston. remember him? sarah palin's almost son-in-law? he's cracking jokes about his almost mother-in-law. levi and kathy griffin together on "larry king live" last night and it was a train wreck. >> let's just kiss and tell, shall we? i woke up this morning in your arms spooning and just so confused about what love is and i realize i found it in your chocolate beautiful eyes. how are you ever going to get over my, levi? >> i don't know, it's going to be tough. >> my plan is that sarah could make all of the trouble go away if she moves you into the big house, everybody gets along and you actually get to help raise the kid. why is that a problem?

>> i don't know. she screwed all that up. i'm not looking forward to being around that family anymore. >> johnston was kathy griffin's date to the teen choice awards this week. as hard as we've tried to, we can no longer ignore what's happening among some of our cable news colleagues. in case you've not heard, they are at war. big swinging anchor number one thinks that big swinging anchor number two is the worst person in the world. big swinging anchor number two is so full of disdain, he won't even say his name so he just goes after his boss, the ceo of general electric. this war has become so brutal and so ugly that plummeting stock prices and widespread company layoffs be damned the ceos of ge and news corps, the men who rule the anchors actually had a summit to attempt to negotiate a truce. they failed. so now the big swinging anchors are at war once again, don't laugh, people, this is a very

important story. the "new york times" has been covering it breathlessly in those big swinging anchors have ratings a lot bigger than mine. so out of respect for the anchors at the competition, we're going to wish them all the best with all of our hope for a peaceful resolution and an end to the suffering it has caused for those poor ceos at news corps and ge. and that brings us to tonight's punch line. maybe too much is being made of the health care proposals physical bulk. and as for those so-called death panels, we'll check out this from the colbert report. >> now, death panels, the phrase does not appear in the health care bill. they're cleverly referred to as communal standards. which also doesn't appear anywhere in the health care bill. the democrats are that sneaky. jim? >> the only thing in the bill that would allow medicare to pay

for what they say is voluntary counseling on end of life issues. >> communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept. >> it's not in the bill. >> but the bill's 1,000 pages. >> 1,000 pages, almost as long as a harry potter novel. no one can read that. >> stephen colbert, everybody, and that is the mash-up. the debate over health care got taken down a notch today when president obama took the stage. he is calming the crowds or getting a free pass? >> you don't trust me? >> no. >> i don't know what else i can do. i don't know what else i can do. if you want me to go home -- okay -- let me. there's the life i live. and the life i want to live. fortunately, there's enbrel.

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during this make or break month on health care reform, the traveling circus is otherwise known as congressional town halls provoked eruptions of shouting and heckling again today, except in new hampshire where the president was. wasn't a member of congress, it was the president selling this reform himself. so take a look at sort of the kinder, i think, gentler gathering that we saw. >> i take a lot of medications, i've had a lot of procedures, and how will medicare under the new proposal help people who are going to need things like this? >> well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your medicare benefits. we are not. the aarp would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining medicare. >> i'm not a republican, i don't

know what i'm doing here, but i'm here. >> we're happy to have you. we're happy to have you. >> mr. president, you've been quoted over the years when you were a senator and perhaps even before then that you were essentially a supporter of a universal plan. i'm beginning to see that you're changing that -- do you honestly believe that? because that is my concern. >> as i was walking in, i saw a lot of signs outside saying mean things about reforming health care. how do kids know what is true? and why do people want a new system that help more of us? >> all right. well, a much friendlier tone as you saw there than some of what we saw senators claire mccatskill and arlen specter facing a bit earlier. we want to welcome cnn political contributor and republican strategist mary madeline, she's in washington tonight and here

in new york steve, and jeffrey toobin, with me, as well. let me ask you first, steve, the white house says they didn't vet any of these people, it was open, a free for all, but it was a lot different than some of what members of congress have been having to go through. >> i'd be a little suspicious with a little girl saying -- why -- that was a little too much for me, i'll admit that. but i'll also say there's a big difference between the obama one in terms of the turnout, the number of people who came, in terms of the tone. and just in terms of the, i think, intellectual nature of the questions that were asked. the gentleman you showed the republican he eventually got around to asking a question about the public option. it's so important to obama and the democrats, and basically, listen, if you have the government running an insurance option, how can private insurance really be expected to compete with that? a very fair and valid question, asked it respectfully, it's an honest concern, obama addressed it intelligently. you can make your decision of who is right and who is wrong. i contrast that man with the people showing up, arlen specter had an event in pennsylvania.

these people are just at these events, congressional events are just chanting like, you know, objectionist and mantras about socialized medicine and death panel and all of these things. there's no rational thought behind what they're saying. we saw today there's a difference. a hardened fringe that shows up at congressional town hall meetings that's not representative of a broader population. they're going to oppose this no matter what. but i think what we saw from the fellow at the obama event is what's more representative of the people who say they're against this right now. they have conflicting feelings. >> mary, is that what's happening? are they not being addressed given the show that's unfolding at these events? >> no, the reason the show is unveiling the way it is is because hereto for and throughout all of these town halls, they're not answering what is really driving this anger and this frustration, which has been from the outset, what does it cost?

how is it not going to raise the cost? how is it going to maintain quality and choice? and furthermore, how are we going to pay for this? the house scored their cbo scored the house bill at $1.6 trillion, which caused the senate to score and to say it was impossible to score theirs and people -- they want to know on top of the stimulus and on top of all of these bailouts and this unprecedented redistribution of wealth. so it's a mounting, it's based on two things. frustration at not being able to get the specific answers on health care, that assure them that their own health care is going to maintain the quality that they've enjoyed because 85% of them are happy with it. and on top of everything else, they don't think they've voted for this unprecedented reordering. >> mary's right, misinformation on both sides, but her points about cost and the cbo numbers are accurate.

>> those are very legitimate. i think there's a false premise about all the excitement at these congressional town meetings. just because there's a lot of noise doesn't mean a lot of people are upset. i don't know about you, when i covered last year's campaign, the most enthusiastic noisy supporters were of ron paul. you would think ron paul would be the nominee, but you know what? he had noisy supporters. i think the people who were screaming at these town meetings don't represent a lot of people. the questions that mary are raising, cost, coverage, very legitimate questions, i thought obama did a good job answering them. but that's the tone of a debate we should have, not, you know, people screaming -- >> can i say? >> yes. >> there was a telling moment at the arlen specter town hall today when a guy got into his rant and specter stopped and said you still say you support some concept, what would you like us to do? he said tort reform, round up the illegal immigrants and impose term limits on congress. none of that's going to do

anything to address health care. >> mary, let me ask you. is this about more than health care? there is a legitimate debate to be had about health care, but is a lot of -- has suddenly the american public got interested in the nuances of health care reform? or is this as much of a referendum on obama himself? >> it's not just on obama, it's on obama-nomics, the total package of obama and as i say again, they don't discuss it in linguistics or john lock, but it is an unprecedented reordering of the way in which we've been governed since our founding. they're not going to talk about it like that. i would not so readily dismiss if it's not anger, there certainly is a mounting concern, this is from the polls, not a partisan tripe here, mounting concern about not just health care, but all of this unprecedented expansion of the government. and there is a decreasing support specifically in every single poll across the board for

this kind of health care. i will say again, there's somewhere between 15% and 20% of the people who aren't covered, and about half of those could be covered under some current system, they choose not to be, they don't want to pay for it. they're young people or they're eligible, but not signed up or they're illegal immigrants or something like that. people just don't want to reorder a system with which they're largely happy because of the uninsured. that's what it is. i would not dismiss this as a bunch of cranks showing up at town hall meetings. >> i don't think that the opposition to this is largely cranks. there are very serious people opposed to it, but there are 50 million people in this country who don't have health insurance, there are health care costs that are increasing way ahead of inflation, and that's a problem, and the question is, do you want to just leave the system the way it is? or is obama's suggestion, which is not even a fully formed suggestion yet, is that the way to go? that's a hard question. >> that is a false premise if i might, jeffrey. because you're doing the same

thing obama does, which is you're creating a false narrative that the opposition to obama's plan is the status quo. that's what he says, that's not true. there's all kinds of republicans/conservatives/ libertarian options, which include pooling of health care, which include the senate option co-ops, lots of options that aren't the status quo that aren't obama's. let's not set up a false narrative. >> guys, we have to end it there. thank you for having a civil dialogue here. >> can we scream a little. >> as always, mary madeline, jeff toobin, and steve, thank you so much, guys. we're going to go in the next segment beyond the noise a little bit. this crucial month and we're going to fact check some of the rumors, statements you've been hearing for weeks now and take a look at the reality as close as we can get to it of what health care reform really means. plus, someone tried to attack the mona lisa.

we're going to tell you how one of the world's most famous paintings was saved.

let's check on some of the other must-see stories of the day. mike galanos is at the cnn center with tonight's download for us. >> hey, campbell, getting breaking news in. quite a twist on the swine flu, costa rica's president has the swine flu. that was announced at a press conference today. we're waiting to see what takes place, if an interim replacement is needed. you've got to wonder, americans have got to be concerned. we're going to continue to follow that again. the costa rica president has the

swine flu. a u.s. army soldier's been arrested and accused of being a paid hit man for a mexican drug cartel. police in texas say 18-year-old private first class shot and killed a mid-level cartel member who also happened to be a dea agent. they suspected he was leaking info to the feds. divers recovered the last of the victims of saturday's collision between a small plane and a tour helicopter near new york city. the final two boids were inside the wreckage of the plane that was pulled from the hudson river today. the helicopter was pulled out on sunday, all nine people aboard both aircraft were killed. the family of two american hikers held in iran say they entered the country by mistake. the u.s. has received official confirmation that the three have been detained. now in a statement the family says the trio accidentally strayed across the border while backpacking and hope the misunderstanding will be resolved quickly. well, president obama, the

dalai lama and the u.n. secretary general are among those condemning the sentencing to 18 more months of house arrest. on trial for letting an american inside her lake side oklahoma after he swam there uninvited. the 64-year-old nobel peace prize spent the last years in confinement. the chevrolet volt will get this, 230 miles per gallon. it'll get you boston to new york on one gallon of gas. gm's ceo calls it a game-changer because consumers will have a third option to hybrids and gas-powered cars. 40 miles on a fresh charge all on batteries before the gas kicks in. here's the story with these, campbell, french police revealed a bizarre attack on the mona

lisa, saying a russian tourist pulled out a teacup, threw it at the 500-year-old painting last week. da vinci's masterpiece not damaged thankfully, sits behind bullet proof glass. the woman was taken to a psychiatric ward. the quote from authorities, she was not in her senses. doing a little research on this, campbell, there's been a few attacks, 1956, acid thrown, a rock, and back in 1911, stolen for a couple of years. >> coo coo. >> yeah, back to the teacup. >> no tea in that teacup? >> yeah, exactly. >> mike galanos, thanks. >> thanks, campbell. you heard all of the yelling and screaming over president obama's health care reform plan, now you're going to hear the truth. we have our fact check on what is going on just ahead.

it is make or break month for health care reform. as you may have heard me say a time or two now. so right now we're going to fact check some of the startling charges that are out there. you may have seen an e-mail that has made the rounds among millions of people now that claims among other things your health care would be rationed under the president's plan. true or false? here to break it all down, bill adair the editor of political fact. it's non-partisan, won a pulitzer prize for the work you did during the last election. bill, let's go through some of the stuff. both the left and the right have not been entirely on the up and up about a lot of this. let's start with number one, this charge that the plan will

create a health choices commissioner and there's been a lot of confusion over exactly what this person will do. and this chain e-mail i was talking about alleges that the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. you will have no choice, none. what does the truth-o-meter say about that? >> gave that one a pants on fire, which is what we give to claims we find are ridiculously false. the truth here is that the health choices commissioner is just that. somebody will oversee the choices that people will have in the health care exchange, which is the part of the president's health plan that would provide health insurance plans for small businesses and people who don't have coverage. so it's just ridiculously false, but this chain e-mail has circulated so widely, i'm glad you asked about it because we've gotten from many, many readers. and i think lots and lots of people have seen this. >> i know, and another claim made there, we've also heard this one repeatedly at some of these town halls that says all

non-u.s. citizens, illegal or not will be provided with free health care services. any truth to this? >> no truth. this one also gets a pants on fire on our truth-o-meter on politifact. there's no such provision in the bill. the e-mail claims to take this from the bill but the section it quotes, it doesn't say what they claim it says. and indeed the bill actually says that if you're an undocumented alien, you will not be eligible for the credits that would allow you to get coverage under the health care exchange. pants on fire for that one too. >> all right. another item in the chain e-mail, taking aim at the quality of care you would get under the reform plan saying that admission, your health care will be rationed. true or false? >> this one gets a false on the truth-o-meter. we looked at the section that it refers to and the paradox is, it doesn't say in this section that

health care would be rationed, what it actually sets is the minimum benefits, the things that you would be guaranteed to get under this plan. so this one gets a false. >> okay. let's look at some of the claims coming from the other side from the president, from democrats, and supporters of the health care proposals on capitol hill. haven't been entirely on the up and up themselves either. listen to president obama today. >> under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. >> now, on this one, i know, bill the president could take this a level deeper, couldn't he? >> he could, he's really glossing over things, we gave him a half true on the truth-o-meter for this one. we were specifically looking at his claim that if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. and he's glossing over some details here. one thing is that, of course, as we all know that employers

change insurance plans. so it's always possible given that the president's plan relies on your private insurance as sort of the basis. if your employer provides you with insurance now, as long as it's a large employer, that is the basis for the current system, but even in the health care exchange, there could be changes in the marketplace where some companies stop providing coverage or your employer if it's a small business decides not to offer the same coverage. so he's kind of glossing over it. it's not a sure thing you would necessarily get to keep your health care. although that is definitely the goal of the plan. >> right. but if -- if reform takes place, there's going to be a lot of pressure on small businesses, especially, but even big corporations to try to compete with that plan, essentially, right? >> exactly. you're referring there to the public option, which would be the government-run plan that obama sees as providing the incentive to other plans to be more efficient.

and that seen as a very positive thing, but in the impact of that might be that there are changes in the marketplace. and if you're getting one particular -- if you're getting your coverage from one particular company, it may decide well, we don't want to offer that same plan next year. you know, half true. >> okay. bill adair with us tonight. and bill will be back with a lot of the other claims we've been hearing joining us over the next few weeks or few months or however long this takes, bill. appreciate it. thanks so much. >> thanks, campbell. with all of the shouting at town halls not always clear exactly what the critics want. so we'll talk to critics of the president's plan and someone else on the other side of the issue when we come back. >> who has card number one? if you want to stay in the hall, if you want to stay in the hall, we're not going to tolerate any demonstrations or any booing. so it's up to you. te reading. okay...um...eighteen pounds and a smidge.

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critics of president obama's health care reform plan are making themselves heard loud and clear. loud for sure, it's certainly not always entirely clear, though, what they are so angry about. so as part of cnn's coverage of this make or break month for health care, i'm joined now by cory who is state director of the new hampshire chapter of americans for prosperity. he organized a protest outside the president's town hall today. also director of the community voices program at the school of medicine in atlanta joining us, as well. she's in favor of reform. welcome to both of you. cory, let me start with you on this. you organized, as we said, this group of protestors outside of the president's town hall meeting today, but i kind of want to get beyond that if we can if we focus a little more on the issues and get at the heart of what exactly you're protesting, what your primary concern is. >> sure. the biggest concern in the whole health care debate right now is the lack of input from both sides, particularly as the president goes out and pushes

this public option, which is really based on the massachusetts health care system, which they are currently using down there. and the problem with that is that the average individual in massachusetts is waiting 100 days to see their primary care physician and we believe that is too long. >> dr. treadwell, you know, not everyone agrees that this needs to be done right away. cost is certainly another question that gets raised a lot. why do you believe it's so urgent? give us your take. >> it's urgent because our facing it systems are crumbling under the debt of caring for people without insurance who are uninsured or underinsured and the working poor have no options for health care. and it's time that they have an opportunity to get health care just as people with insurance cards do. most of the people at the debates are not from the communities of the poor, or communities of color. their voices are being drown

out. they too are on america. >> there isn't a bill yet. the plan that will be voted on if just really in the formative stages right now. do you have any concern about the information that's throating around out there? we just did this fact check. there's so much that's wrong about what's being charged. and it is unfairness coming from both sides, but you have to admit, at least, that critics have been overboard in terms of some of the claims they've made, right? >> i agree. there's a lot of hyperbole on both sides of this. however, in debates like we had today here in new hampshire, the president limited the access to getting into his town hall, so we couldn't have those discussions. anybody who wanted access needs to submit their name and phone number in writing to the white house. and it was then vetted by the white house to determine who would be allowed into that town hall. how is that an open and honest debate? >> well, they did have republicans there at the meeting. >> there were very few republicans i can assure you.

>> did you send your information to the white house? >> we absolutely did and we had 1,000 people outside the high school today who wanted to see the president. as you know, he didn't come and visit the protestors, didn't drive by, came in the back door, didn't see the signs. all we're asking for is open and honest debate here. >> but you don't -- i'm just looking at some of these pictures and you saw what happened with claire mccatskill and arlen specter today. at some of these meetings you see people burning congressmen in effigy. isn't that sort of -- i mean getting you off message? if you really do want to make changes to the plans that are on the table? >> well, look, the fact remains the democrats control both houses of congress and the administration. they don't need bipartisan support to do this. they've been trying to push this bill through congress as quickly as possible. the noncongressional budget office says this bill is going to cost $1.6 trillion as

currently written and i think the democrats and the majority in congress is afraid to pass that legislation with those massive numbers involved after the administration has already piped in $3 trillion since they've been in office. >> dr. treadwell, let me let you respond. >> well, i think that we do not have enough coverage for people in this nation that need it. and we are on a roller coaster that's going to crash. we're crashing into debt now, it's going to get worse. when we think about what it will cost us to have a plan, we need to think about the cost of inaction, the costs are coming anyway. tax dollars are being spent anyway, but not efficiently. so we need a system and a system that i hope will include a public option. >> all right. let me say give my thanks to you both. treadwell, and cory, thanks for joining us, appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. the secretary of state on a major 11-day trip to africa. all anybody can talk about is a moment critics are calling a

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scrutini scrutinize, and sometimes criticize the clintons. and now you may have seen some of the video of hillary clinton reacting strongly to a question talking with students in the congo. the question was incorrectly translated making it sound like the person was asking how her husband, former president bill clinton felt about a deal between the congo and china. in fact, the student wasn't asking about clinton, he was asking about president obama and what the thought. we want you to hear the entire exchange unfiltered. listen. >> mrs. clinton, we've all heard about the chinese contracts in this country. their interference from the world bank against his contract. what does mr. clinton think through the mouth of mrs. clinton and what does he think on this situation? thank you very much.

>> wait, you want me to tell you what my husband thinks? my husband is not the secretary of state, i am. you asked my opinion, i will tell you my opinion. i'm not going to be channelling my husband. >> so did secretary clinton snap there as some have suggested? or are some just looking to take a cheap shot after she was given the wrong question? with us in washington, cnn contributor and democratic strategist james carville. you love this one. and john avalon. john, i'm going to start with you. this is like a test, everyone's had a different reaction to it. >> i think it's such a reveal. i think really you have a highly scripted political pro and a very unscripted emotional moment. and that's what i think made it news. plus in the wake of the whole north korea questions, a lot of beltway gossip about bill

clinton being the envoy for a successful mission. i think that ended up stirring the pot. >> i saw that as her making a statement about women, i did, and women's rights. i saw her in an african country in the congo where women are treated poorly and her saying i don't -- this isn't about my husband, this is about me and that's how it should be in your country. hillary clinton to me, and james, i think she's too smart to snap as some people suggest she did. i don't care how much jet lag she had. what do you think? was it a good moment for her? >> i don't think it was necessarily a bad moment. you've got to remember too in the congo has one of the worst records in the country of mutilating women. and i think, you know, combination of that and jet lag and actually when you listen to the question that she thought she was getting to be fair the student that asked it wasn't the question he did, but anybody spending time in foreign country deals with interpreters. i almost see where she would come out. and it's odd because women have

reacted to this i think somewhat differently than men. but i can see where she sort of took offense to that. she's been an united states senator for eight years, been secretary of state and becoming very close to being the nominee for the president of the united states. i would see where something like this would happen. and i think that she probably was pretty stressed and she, you know, cares very much as anybody would. but she in particular about the way the women are mutilated in some of these places. so the combination of things and probably led to that. i don't think she -- she did appear to be a might peeved to me. >> i know, but i was going to ask you that. because you know her. does this woman ever lose her cool, though? she seems so thoughtful, so precise, hard for me to imagine her actually losing her temper. >> well, i wouldn't go so far as to say she lost her cool. i think she had an understandable reaction to what she thought was a question after, you know, on something she cares especially about.

but she's like the rest of us, she's a human being, and you know so often we say, well, gee, they're always scripted and she had one tear of, i don't know what it was a misty eye in new hampshire which was a commentary on that. she is secretary of state. actually, you know, my wife kind of defended her passionately about this. and, again, i think that the reaction of women have been a little bit different than men. i was kind of proud of her. i was like, hey, excuse me, but i am -- i'm the person, i'm the secretary of state. >> hold on, james hit on something. when you talked about her, you know, when she had that moment where she teared up in new hampshire and we covered it for weeks, that's it. people have this endless fascination with hillary clinton and anything -- her reaction to anything and everything. >> and that's because we've lived the drama of the clintons' lives for better or for worse for the better part of 20 years. we are invested in it. on the point about there's this

geopolitical spin she was standing up for women's rights and there may have been an element to that. but the strongest message america can send against sexism that does exist around the world is through the power of our example. that's the message that three of the last four secretaries of state have been women, that's much more eloquent a message than teeing off at a college student. >> i thought she was pretty good. we'll agree to disagree, john avalon, thanks, guys, appreciate it. >> thank you. in tonight's breakout, an american idol-style competition where the contestants are actually risking their lives. you're going to want to see this. gives me that look. when at last we're alone. when we both decide. announcer: today, guys with erectile dysfunction can be ready with another dosing option from cialis. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. so relax and take your time. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for

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here in the u.s., reality tv is a guilty pleasure. now, though, through the global reach of cnn, you're about to see it in a whole new light. it's tonight's breakout story, christiane amanpour shows us reality tv in afghanistan.

>> reporter: eight years ago, when the taliban ruled afghanistan, what this young woman is doing might have cost her her life. ♪ >> reporter: but now, she's one of the top contenders on the country's most popular tv show. ♪ >> reporter: are you surprised that you can actually sing? you're a woman and you can sing pop rock here in afghanistan? >> translator: i'm happy things have changed for the better and that a woman like me can finally perform. >> reporter: "afghan star" is this country's version of

american idol. it's a mad fusion of traditional afghan culture and western-style pop. backstage, i watched the procession of talents, drummers, dancers, acrobats, child jugglers. the audience and the country loved it. the show's producers say 80% of tv viewers tuned in and cast their vote by mobile phone. this isn't "american idol" it's "afghan star," it's similar to a lot of western reality programs. what do you think this means for afghanistan in the big picture? >> i think it shows in four years you can do a lot. >> reporter: musani, an afghan who grew up in australia created afghan star. >> what gives me hope is if you look at our staff. they've never done production, never done lighting, and within a short space of time, they've been able to pick that up. we have a population of 60%

under 21. they can do things, they have a future, we need to give them the opportunity. >> reporter: an opportunity that fundamentalists that this young taliban fighter disapprove of. >> calling themselves stars is a title they've invented for themselves. that's how they turn something that is sinful into something they think is good. >> reporter: for the afghan star finals, police were out in force, along with kabul's trendiest crowd. their fashion sense may seem locked in a time warp, but they don't sound any different from young people anywhere. it is important to afghan young people to be cool? >> yeah, sure. with a cool mind, we are trying to be like america. >> reporter: yeah? >> step by step, it will be. >> reporter: and as with

american idol, there was the inevitable upset. in one of the final rounds, he was favored to win against this 19-year-old man. in a dramatic ending, meran got more votes. elaja was devastated and her emotions were captured for all to see. >> reporter: and while this young woman might not have won in the end, her success and the show's popularity is a crucial step for the next generation. cnn investigates this generation of muslims at a cross roads, generation islam is reported by christiane amanpour, two hour special event thursday 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. that's it for us tonight. keep it here for "larry king live." see you tomorrow.

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