tv Larry King Live CNN August 14, 2009 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT
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live." >> our one and only guest, the one and only host of hln "nancy grace." the first novel "the 11th victim" and victims' rights advocate nancy grace. >> thank you for having me. i'm happy to see you. >> you have a best-selling book and now a novel. it took you ten years to write. >> it took me that long, because so much ensued between the time that i started. when i left prosecuting in 1997 to start a show, "cochran & grace" with johnnie cochran, i missed the courtroom so much. i missed striking juries and going out on the street, investigating crime scenes. i didn't really miss autopsies too much. but i missed the contact with
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victims and witnesses. so i started writing this book. so much between then and now. i was at court tv for 11 years. came here to headline news, ultimately published another book. got married, got pregnant. delivered. nearly died. didn't die. >> good thing. >> and the twins are almost two years old. i finally -- >> 21 months, aren't they? >> 21 months. i just told him that in the break. he did not know. >> i knew the general time frame. >> i knew everything about you. yes, they are 21 months, saying words. >> it's a great age. >> i want to surprise anderson. the twins are here. i want to bring them out together. but if they both sit in my lap, they start fighting each other. i'll bring them out one by one and i have the purell, and you
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can hold them if you agree to wash your hands. >> there is a lot of portrayals between haley dean and you. how much of you is haley dean? >> i didn't start out that way. it's loosely based on what i know. but she is a much, much better person than i could ever be, appear andensand anderson. she gets a lot of trouble in the book. she is a psychology major. i was an english literature major. and her fiance was murdered shortly before their wedding, as was mine. she reverses -- she changes gears and goes to law school to become a prosecutor, as did i. after many, many years prosecuting and being saturated in murders, rapes, child molestations, one autopsy table after the next, she quits.
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moves to manhattan and goes back to being a counselor/therapist, and everything is fine, until her friends begin dropping like flies. one after the next in the same m.o. a very unique m.o. as her last serial murder prosecution. >> is it harder writing a novel? >> it is so much harder. when i wrote "objection" years ago, the fact scenario is laid out for you. you give legal analysis and critique. you look to the future and determine what may happen in those cases. here, you have to create everything from the color of someone's eyes to their hair, to whether the breeze is blowing, and there's one scene where there's an environmentalist who sits down in the sand late one night, down by the ocean. and just describing sitting down in wet sand and the breeze and the moon. it takes a lot more work than commenting on something that already exists. >> but you liked it.
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you liked the process. >> liked it i don't think i would have ever finished it if i hasn't pitched my publisher at hyperion another nonfiction. and they said, you got anything else? i was a little taken attaattacb. and i said, no. but i do have a partial murder mystery and gretchen, my editor, said we read it. we want two haley deans. and then i was between a rock and a hard spot. if it hadn't been for that, i would never have finished it. ith not like on tv, where you see people kicked back on the front porch with the breeze blowing in the air. the twins are up at 2:30 and 5:30 every night. and i would right after i got
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off the show until 3:00 in the morning. it was hard, very hard. but that's what every working mother in the country does. it ain't easy. >> let's talk about some of the other things in the news. michael vick signs with the philadelphia eagles. should he play football again? >> well, i think what's getting lost in the story is looking back at the where ybrutality tog victims. don't laugh. a lot of people get more upset about animal victims than people victims. many dogs were drowned, electrocuted. female dogs on a rape stand, where if the dogs did not want to mate and pro create, and the fighting was absolutely vicious. here is the reality and our justice system for dogfighting, you don't stay in jail forever. that's for murderers. >> do you think he's really apologetic? he's given this interview to "60 minutes." i saw one clip of it.
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do you buy his apology? >> no, i don't buy his apology. i think the lawyers carefully crafted what he had to say. i think is he not necessarily sorry he did it, but he's sorry he got caught. but the reality is, you can't keep somebody in jail forever on dogfighting. he to get out. he's the football player. so you know what? go play football. that's all he knows how to do. >> are you giving limbe ining h chance? >> sure. yeah. >> he's done his time. >> he's done his time. not enough time i might add. he's done his time, and some of that in his own home and i don't believe -- if he had not been a celebrity, he would not have gotten to serve part of his sentence in his luxury mansion, all right? >> do you think people care more of the dogs in this case than sometimes people care about other humans? >> in some cases, yes, because dogs, animals, are so innocent. they cannot protect themselves from us, the human, just like children. and those are our victims that
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absolutely have no recourse. and i think that's why people are so touched and so outraged when animals are taken advantage of like this. but, look, you can't keep him in forever. he's out, dehhe did his time. i say get on with it and quit give him his attention. >> would you go to a philadelphia eagles football game? >> no. i would not pay for something to support michael vick. what are they going to do with donovan mcnabb. you have vick over the corner, a convicted felon that made dogs fight to the death. two ends of the spectrum for the eagles. >> nancy answers your questions, coming up. stick around. cash for clunkers is available at your chevy dealer, but funds are going fast. so hurry. let us recycle your older vehicle and you could qualify for an additional $3500 or $4500 cash back
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>> anderson: we're back with nancy grace, talking about her new book, "the 11th victim" and a lot of big news items of the day. we talked about michael vick. let's talk about squeaky fromme, a charles manson follower, attempted to assassinate president gerald ford. should she have gotten out? >> you left a few facts out. okay. number one. back in the '60s as you mentioned, she was a devoted manson follower. during his trial on mass murder, she supported his defense and showed up. >> anderson: she sat outside. >> yes, with an "x" cut into her forehead. after that, she was arrested on
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another murder and she was released. then and i believe it was '75. she showed up in sacramento with red robes with a gun underneath. four bullets in the gun, a anderson, with the chamber empty and when they grab her, hey, hey, it didn't go off. that was her defense. she tried to escape. >> anderson: she tried to escape in 1987. >> to kill -- >> anderson: to be closer to manson. >> and to kill another inmate with a claw hammer behind bars this is not a sweet little girl who was confused and misled when they tried to kill our president. a lot of people would argue, hey, just because he's president doesn't make him more important or valued than anybody else. that is not true. no, gerald ford's life is not more valuable than yours or mine. but is he a symbol of our
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country. and when you look at her track record, she should absolutely not get out. >> anderson: but people who kill others get out all the time. >> so? does that make it right. i don't think they should get out. >> anderson: she was not implicated or involved in any way in the grisly murders of sharon tate. >> no, not to my knowledge she was not. but i think with her track record, her attack on another inmate, trying to kill the president -- trying to kill the president. i don't need to bolster that. she tried to murder the symbol of our country. so, no, she should not get out of jail. >> anderson: charles manson, six other followers, are all serving life terms in connection with the tate murders. do you think any of them will ever get out? >> i think there's a chance that some of them will get out. >> anderson: there's no way charles manson -- >> not manson, but some of the women may get out.
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van houten specifically. >> anderson: why her? >> she has distinguished herself behind bars, she has tried so desperately to do good behind bars. she's got the best chance. >> anderson: there is this woman susan atkins, 61 years old, she has a terminal brain tumor. tried to get out -- >> she's 61. how old was sharon tate when she was murdered and her unborn child who never had a chance. she's 61. so what? >> anderson: so you don't think the brain tumor should play into it? >> no, absolutely not. i don't think any of them should be par roled. it was mass murder. are they going to parole them? probably. do i think they should? no. >> anderson: what is it about charles manson that fascinates people so long? >> the mystique created a cult-like following and he had
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the gaggle of beautiful young women that surrounded him and loved him. they were all in love with him. >> anderson: i wasn't really cognizant when he was committing these crimes. i have only seen tapes of him later. it's hard to believe anybody would follow this guy. >> agree. but at the time, it's kind of epitomized what many people believed was going on in the '60s. not to me. i consider him the run of the mill mass killer. i don't think he's special and i don't think he should be paroled. >> anderson: are most killers smart? >> oh, no, anderson. that's for tv. they are not. that's for movies. once in a while you'll get a really intelligent killer and they are hard to catch. but that's few and far between. >> anderson: it's amazing that people talk to the police if are you arrested or brought in, after all of the police shows where people, you know, try to
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convince -- >> i'm glad that you say that. because haley gets arrested in this book for all of these murders and she goes back and forth, because she knows, just like you said. don't talk to the police and she does. >> anderson: if you were ever charged with something, what defense attorney would you call? >> well, first of all, i wouldn't need a defense attorney, because i would be innocent. and i would talk to police. >> anderson: don't innocent people need an attorney? you would talk to police. >> yes. >> anderson: would you have an attorney present? >> if i did it, you're darn right i would have an attorney present. >> anderson: what defense attorney would you use? >> anderson, you are trying to get me in trouble with all of my guests on the show and pick one. i would have to roll them all together i guess. >> anderson: i don't buy that. i think have you a speed dial. back with nancy grace in 60 seconds. and high cholesterol is a major factor. but crestor can help slow
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>> anderson: welcome back. we're talking to nancy grace, host of her own hit show on hln. nancy grace is not afraid to say exactly what is on her mind. take a look. >> 26-year-old newlywed who plans to rub out her husband. problem. uh-oh. the hitman is a cop. you will need these in the big house. all the sobbing and carrying on. >> they have problems proving the diprivan connection, because of the lengthy statements conrad murray has already given. >> i think the client needs to tell the lawyer to shut his pie hole. >> anderson: is that a legal term, pie hole? >> yes. very technical legal pie hole
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term. >> anderson: i want to talk about the michael jackson case, probably more on the other side of the break. if conrad murray is, in fact, charged with a crime this is not going to necessarily be a cakewalk this is going to be a difficult thing to prove. >> well, will be. because there are no eyewitnesss or ear witnesses. what happened that evening is still extremely murky. remember, anderson, at the very beginning, the story came out that jackson was with his children, and he had a sudden cardiac arrest and fell in front of their eyes and they thought it was a joke. and now we're hearing a story that it sounds more like dr. conrad murray, his private, live-in doctor. >> for $50,000 a month. >> gave him a shot of propofol, diprivan, and you only have that in an operating room when you're put under. you're given it intravenously and the moment they take it away, you wake up. if jackson had been using it he
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would be hooked up to an iv all night long, taking this throughout the evening, throughout the night, into the morning and then they would unhook him. lying there essentially luke a living corpse. so the new scenario is that's emerging, apparently from some of conrad's lawyers, is that he injected him. he shot him up and then he went to make personal phone calls. now, reports are emerging that he has a stripper girlfriend shacked up somewhere nearby. he may have been on the phone with her. doesn't matter who he's on the phone with. what matters is he is shooting him up with diprivan, allegedly, and then not focusing and making private cell calls while his patient is lying there completely unconscious. >> anderson: we'll have the response from conrad murray's attorney coming up. and nancy answers her critics after the break. stay with us. with its built-in 3g network, it's fast and small,
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youm in the past "larry king live" has reached out to dr. conrad murray in response to statements made in relationship to michael jackson. here is a statement given from his attorneys. reports are emerging. nothing has been confirmed by cnn. i mean, nothing is really known. >> i don't believe anything will be -- >> anderson: a lot of rumors and speculation swirling around. >> i don't typically believe anything until i hear it in a court of law and then i still have doubts as to the credibility of the witness. people are all focusing on can rad measu conrad murray, the doctor. who is giving him propofol?
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>> anderson: the idea that anyone is taking propofol in their home is outrageous. any responsible doctor would say that should not happen. >> look at him. he's a tall man. he weighs about 110 pounds. he's barely eating. and who would administer propofol to someone who is so obviously emaciated. >> anderson: and he dent actuoe actually -- it's not something that actually helps you sleep. it doesn't allow sleep. sleep allows your body to recover and it's important to heal yourself. >> i'm looking beyond that. it's a tough case to build. you asked that earlier, because it's going to require a paper case. which i recall making when i was doing consumer protection, anti-trust law with the feds. a paper chase takes a long time to put together. and if he is shipping propofol via fedex or some other method,
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you have to prove where he's getting, how he's getting from texas, let's just say where he lived, to wherever jackson is there's going to be a lot of paper proof in this case. because, again there, is no eyewitnesss. >> anderson: what do you make of the fact that the l.a. county coroner has completed the autopsy and has not released the results? >> i think that's preferential treatment. >> anderson: isn't that potential suspects that might be charged might line up their stories? >> they'll have pleasant ooh of time to do that once somebody is an official target. then they have the right to discovery and long story short, once there is a charge, and i think there will be a charge. >> anderson: you think one person will be charged? >> i think there will be more than one. >> anderson: and will anyone end
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up behind bars? >> yes. and if it wasn't michael jackson, the answer would be no. there is so much scrutiny, they have to do something. giving dope a dope addict, enabling him to die in this matter is a crime. >> anderson: but conrad murray's attorney -- >> i didn't say conrad murray. >> anderson: his attorney just gave an interview to "the los angeles times," a new argument that dr. murray did not know that michael jackson -- did not know, what, if any drugs michael jackson was taking before signing on and once he got involved in michael jackson's care, he realized he had a number of unusual issues. >> am i supposed to be impressed by that? because i can look at michael jackson, and all of his friends, all of his family, apparently knew something was wrong. tried to stage an intervention to help him. he resisted, like any dope addict would do.
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>> anderson: the jackson family now denies that ever happened. >> right. but here's one last point on him, anderson. i had the same problem when i would, for instance, have a dope murder. juries would be thrilled a dope dealer had been murdered. it would be very difficult to get a conviction on that killing, all right? but if you look at this case, whether jackson did or did not commit child molestation and i for one did believe the boy victims, whether he did that or not, is irrelevant. because in this case somebody enabled a dope akt to be doped up and die and that is a crime. >> anderson: we'll talk about nancy's personal life, yes, she has one. and we'll get to your questions and meet the twins.
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>> anderson: we are back with nancy grace. you spent a lot of time on the casey anthony case. is that -- the florida mom accused of killing her daughter, caylee is this the strangest case you've ever seen? i mean, with the mother who -- >> i have seen many strange cases. i can't identify one as the most -- the strangest case. >> anderson: a mother who tells police so many different stories, literally taking them around. >> oh, anderson. they are lies. don't put perfume on a pig, anderson. they are not stories, they are not fairy tales, they are lies, okay? now, she led the cops on such a wild goose chase. a recent development, just this past week, the state got the authorization to go in and take a photo of one of tot mom, also known as casey anthony's tattoos. why do we care about a tat?
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because after her 2-year-old child, caylee anthony, goes missing, instead of searching for her or calling police, she goes to the local tattoo parlor, has a very -- and i've interviewed this guy, has a very extensive conversation with them on several occasions about her next tattoo, and ends up getting a tattoo on the left shoulder that says the beautiful life. now, anderson, i'm sure you as a fair and balanced journalist would say that does not prove murder. i disagree. i think the state would use that to show state of mind. because even if the twins had a fever, i'm not thinking about going to get a tattoo. much less if they were missing. >> anderson: this gets to what your critics say about you. you are basically convicting people on tv. >> i can't convict anybody on tv. that doesn't make any sense. >> anderson: come on. you've heard that criticism. >> right, she's convicting them. why are we having a trial?
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she's not convicted. look, i have two syllables to utter to you. o.j. i went out on a limb and speculated that o.j. would get convicted. did i affect the jury? no, no. >> anderson: what about the idea of respecting innocent until proven guilty? >> i respect that in the courtroom. but i'm making obvious deductions that any rational person could make, and not a single night goes by on our headline news show, that i don't stack the cards against me, and put two, three, defense attorneys to argue their very, very best, the other side. which they do very effectively. all of the lawyers we have on the show are not a lot of talking heads that might have gotten a law degree. they have been in the trenches trying cases. >> anderson: what do you make of the grandparent? i think they love their
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daughter, tot mom, very, very much. >> anderson: why do you call her tot mom? >> because she is a tot's mom. why do you call her casey? >> anderson: i don't know. >> i think they love her very much. they love their grandchild very much. and i understand that you would do everything you think you have to do to protect your daughter. >> anderson: it has to be a horrible, horrific situation for them. >> awful. awful. a lot of critics have argued that they, the anthonys, have stonewalled police and not cooperated. i don't think we'll know the truth of that until we hear it in the courtroom. >> anderson: i guess you can call it chutzpah of the tot mom, casey anthony, saying she worked in an office, i think it was at one of the theme parks, and actually -- >> down at disney in florida. >> anderson: and leading police down corridors, oh, yeah, it's here and suddenly saying -- >> they got her at the police station, and she gives them her
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work number, office, everything. they get in the car. she's sitting in the back of the car going they are actually taking me? they get there. they talk to security, she gives some fake name. they say we don't have anybody by that name. they get in anyways. the police already know she doesn't work there. and this all goes to her explanation of where she was, what happened, and so forth around the time little caylee disappears. they go in the building, start walking down the hall, get to where she says her office is, and she turns around and says, okay, you got me. i lied if she will lie about her job. what else will she lie about? and that was -- a piece of the puzzle that didn't even really matter and she lied to such great lengths. and the state will be able to use this to attack her credibility. >> anderson: and for the record, casey anthony has not yet gone to trial, not convicted of anything. coming up next, what is nancy's problem with defense attorneys?
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a lot more into it, such as the victims were involved in a drug cartel. or a business partner wanted to get money, or there was a long-standing feud. i don't think it's that difficult or that elaborate. listen, anderson, when you talk about conspiracies, they are very rare. nobody can keep their yap shut in a conspiracy, much less an elaborate well thought out conspiracy. that rarely happens. i think these people broke in because some of them new the family had a safe. at least one of them had worked in the home before in some capacity, and i believe that they knew there was a safe and they went in to rob. what i don't understand is why they did it when everyone was home. now, there were theories that someone was supposed to cut one of the conspirator's -- one was to cut the wire to the security video.
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anderson, you can see them. how would you like to look out your kitchen window one morning and see a bunch of guys dressed in black nina outfits running toward your home. that's what happened. and it's all on video. >> anderson: and a number of people say they thought it was going to be a robbery, didn't think there was going to be any killing involved. the question, did everybody know? was everybody in on it? what's your thought? >> my thoughts is that felony murder, where a felony is being committed, such as robbery, and a death occurs, whether you intended the death or not, are you responsible for felony murder and i would be interested to know whether these defendants, co-defendants that went in just to do a robbery, if that's the defense, knew that others were armed, so what do they think the others are going to do with those guns? when they were confronted by the inhabitant of the home? what did they think was going to happen? a tea party? no.
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and if they say they didn't plan to kill, were they armed when they went in. you go into a home, fully inhabited. everybody's home. what do you think is going to happen when you invade the home armed? people are going to fight back. >> anderson: it's interesting what you say about conspiracies. people love to latch on to the idea that there are grand conspiracies out there. nobody keeps secrets for very long. do you believe in ufos, in conspirac conspiracies, that the government knows -- >> hey, you know what? what's beyond our solar system? do i know anything about that? no. >> anderson: do you think the government has information? >> i think when anybody ever believes that they see a ufo, they call the government. so government probably has a file on thousands of alleged ufo sightings. are any of them real? maybe. maybe not.
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i'm sure they have files on ufos. >> anderson: you don't think they are keeping an alien somewhere in some secret place? >> i could comment on that but i don't comment on politics. >> anderson: very good. do you miss being a prosecutor? yeah, i do. i still do. and i missed it more, i missed it the most up until the i had the twins. because i still missed going to crime scenes, striking juries, feeling like i had managed to somehow make a difference and do something good to protect some victim out there. >> anderson: did you know what motherhood was going to be like? >> no. no. no. >> anderson: you can read the books, see it on movies, talk to friends. >> i knew i wanted a family my whole life, but after -- i came from a very, very happy home. and after keith was murdered, i never thought -- i didn't want to get married after his death. after his murder. i just didn't want to put myself
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out there and have the whole world just blow up. >> anderson: what happened to the person who murdered him? >> amazingly, he's been paroled. and i didn't know anything about it until one of my viewers e-mailed me that he had been paroled. and then i checked -- >> anderson: they didn't call you, didn't tell you? >> no. >> anderson: do you know what he's doing now? >> no. >> anderson: do you think about it? >> yes. >> anderson: but you don't want to know details of his life? >> it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter if he goes on to do something wonderful. it doesn't matter if he commits another crime, goes back to jail. what he's done is done. nothing can ever change what happened. and that's very, very hard to live with. and it doesn't just affect obviously keith and his family. both of keith's parents have passed away now.
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and they went to their graves with broken hearts. and the wake of pain that one unthinking person leaves behind, he'll never know. i never wanted to put myself out there for that kind of hurt again and i really had tunnel vision all those years, prosecuting like a machine, like a robot. and luckily my husband, david, loved me for so many years, and i loved him back, and then finally it was like a cloud lifted. and we married, and i never thought i could be this happy. i knew i wanted a family. but until i met lucy and john david, i didn't -- i just thought i knew what love was. but i didn't know. >> anderson: we'll meet lucy and
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>> anderson: more on my interview of nancy grace in a moment. but a preview of what's up on "a.c. 360." more on getting the public on a plan to reform health care. why president obama made a stop in montana and what else he did. and our 360 interview with an insurance insider who is blowing the whistle. what he says are the dirty secrets you need to know. and michael vick getting a second chance in the nfl. what about the dogs he groomed to the death? we have our hero of the week. he turns trash into tools for schools. watch. >> i was coming from at night, and i see this computer.
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and i thought everything was perfect. and so many computer are thrown out and so many computer are needed in kenya, and i decided i must do something. my name is jude ndambuki. i refurbish computers and send them to kenna kenya has very few resources. even a pencil is hard to get. anything that's in place to make the life of kids better is great. the computers, if they are working, then we label the name of the school on each box and we ship it to kenya. the computers are saved from poisoning our environment and they will be used for 20 years by some schools. every school is going to plant 100 trees for every computer. we're planting a tree to preserve the kids to environment
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and be agents of change. u.s. like these are the kids. a new life. computers are getting a new life and trees are being planted to getting a new life too. ith all connected. 20 minutes later, she'll bring one into the world in seattle. later today, she'll help an accident victim in kansas. how can one nurse be in all these places? through the nurses she taught in this place. johnson & johnson knows, behind every nurse who touches a life... there's a nurse educator... who first touched them. ♪ you're a nurse
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parodied on "saturday night live." >> my name is bethany. >> bethany, how do you sleep at night working for a company that provides the >> how do you sleep at night knowing you provide the tools to the pedophilia industry. >> i'm sorry, ma'am. do you have a technical issue. >> i have a problem with your company created windows and your perve perverts are looking through those windows. >> john david is here. here is my baby. >> anderson: here he is. >> here is my husband, david. >> anderson: hey there, john david. >> this is john david. hey there mr. anderson cooper.
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just want to stress to the viewers how important it is you put stuff away. he was named after john the revlator and david his father. 1:54 p.m. on a sunday he was born. i was up that morning, trying to get ready to go to church and anderson was so sick. i didn't know i had the blood clots in my lung and heart and my heart and lungs were full of fluid. i couldn't breathe. that is the day this baby boy -- he was the first. here comes the second. when i hold them both there is a major fight. we better get rid of this. and here is the love of the world. i'm sure they are going to have a fight. >> anderson: they don't like to be held together? >> no. they don't like to share. >> anderson: hi, lucy. >> david, you better come hold
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him. here he goes. here he goes. >> anderson: where are you going, big man? >> he wants down. i think he wants to come over here? >> you want talk on the microphone? larry king's microphone. >> anderson: let me show you the microphone. >> anderson, you look very natural with children. you do. i think there is a baby in your future. >> anderson: there you go. there is the microphone. he is a broadcaster. would you want these kids to follow in your footsteps. >> i want to do whatever makes them happy. >> oh, here she goes. anderson, what did you do to him? >> anderson: i didn't do anything. >> daddy. you did it and it is caught on national television. now he is going to have a fit.
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when they have to share something. >> anderson: wow, thank you. >> anderson, this one gets up at 2:30. >> anderson: that is very nice of you. i like the way you took it away from your brother to give to me. >> she is very bold. she is a bobcat. >> anderson: another present for me? thank you. do you want a piece of paper. what is the most surprising thing about having two kids? >> i did not know i was going to have twins and i was well into it before they told me. then about a month later, anderson, they told me i lost a twin that one had died. it would have been lucy. i was desz pressed. the biggest. another month later the heartbeat came back. and little lucy, speaking of the book, the main character is
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haley. i always wanted a daughter. and i never thought i would have one so i named haley, my hero, haley and lucy came and i named her after her grandmother that helped raise me. >> anderson: cool. you want to see how to make a fish? >> so, anderson, have you read the book? >> anderson: you just gave me the book yesterday. i have not. i am going to read it this weekend. you plan to write another one. >> it is set in the tv industry. >> anderson: i'm making a fish. look. go like that and that and see. a little fish. >> i think he likes it. now you have to do one for lucy. you have so many talents. >> i learned this in first grade. so what comes next for you?
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>> i have another book to write. it is going to be in the tv industry. and then i want to write a children's book. >> anderson: you have already written a children's book? >> i have a new one in mind. the stars are lucy and john david. >> anderson: a lot of books are made into movies. if this was made into a movie who would you want haley? >> charlize theron for sure. i love her. what? do you want to go to anderson cooper. i think somebody has a crush. >> anderson: it's a fish for you. look. it is a fish. >> anderson, try to work with two children is not easy. >> anderson: tell me about it, i'm sweating and dripping. >> i have a lot of help.
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